Re: Study ... atheist countries are more peaceful

[JillSwift]

I'm not going to argue about Hitler except to say he was not a christians he was a deviant,murderer,thief and most anything else horrible you can think of.The church in Germany at that time was dead wrong in their thinking the Bible never has taught to eliminate the Jewish people and just to be correct the Jewish people are to be supported by the christian church.Why did you ignore Stalin?What about China,North Korea,Cambodia.Now I will agree that religion has contributed to many terrible events down through history 911 is one that hits close to home and the heart and even the christian church has contributed its share.True christian teaching does not promote violence.The teachings of Jesus are of peace,love,charity and so forth and so on.

And they don't put sugar on their porridge!

[Kylyssa]

I'm not going to argue about Hitler except to say he was not a christians he was a deviant,murderer,thief and most anything else horrible you can think of.The church in Germany at that time was dead wrong in their thinking the Bible never has taught to eliminate the Jewish people and just to be correct the Jewish people are to be supported by the christian church.

Just because you say a person isn't Christian it doesn't make them an atheist.  You (and many Christians like you) hold up Hitler as an example of an evil atheist.  People have to not believe in God to be atheists.  A person who believes in God and self-identifies as Christian is not an atheist.  Just because a person practices Christianity differently from you, it doesn't make them an atheist.

How about Fred Phelps?  Is he not a Christian, too?

It makes it easy to paint Christianity as a shiny bright religion of love if you can simply disown every wrongdoer who believes they are Christian.  It also helps you to demonize and dehumanize atheists by considering every wrongdoer an atheist and every atheist a wrongdoer.  Then, if a bunch of people who call themselves Christians beat the crap out of someone or kill someone for religious reasons - you can just say it's a bunch of atheists fighting atheists and wash your hands clean of Christian religious violence.

[curiosityandthecat]

Just because you say a person isn't Christian it doesn't make them an atheist.  You (and many Christians like you) hold up Hitler as an example of an evil atheist.  People have to not believe in God to be atheists.  A person who believes in God and self-identifies as Christian is not an atheist.  Just because a person practices Christianity differently from you, it doesn't make them an atheist.

How about Fred Phelps?  Is he not a Christian, too?

It makes it easy to paint Christianity as a shiny bright religion of love if you can simply disown every wrongdoer who believes they are Christian.  It also helps you to demonize and dehumanize atheists by considering every wrongdoer an atheist and every atheist a wrongdoer.  Then, if a bunch of people who call themselves Christians beat the crap out of someone or kill someone for religious reasons - you can just say it's a bunch of atheists fighting atheists and wash your hands clean of Christian religious violence.

Eek! Logic! Flee, Godschild! Flee!

[Godschild]

Eek! Logic! Flee, Godschild! Flee!

Sorry curio I can't quit now!

I'm not going to argue about Hitler except to say he was not a christians he was a deviant,murderer,thief and most anything else horrible you can think of.

Christians are incapable of murder? Thievery? Come on, that's just silly. Religion or lack of religion cannot possibly make one immune to being destructive. Some Christians are murderers and some are thieves. Adolph Hitler believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ. He believed in the remission of sins. He was, by definition, a Christian. Does that mean that you, as Christian, share in the responsibility for WWII or the Holocaust? Of course not. Your faith is your own, and it's up to you to make good decisions and be a "good" person.

In my post I said that the christian church is responsible for its share of evil.Yes christains are capable of all sin however we are not to make it a practice.Hitler was not a christian just as you are not a christian.Will if you were to go around telling people you were a christian and that you believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ does that make you a christian I do not believe it does.It's not up to me to be a good person what is up to me is to allow Jesus to make me a better person.It is my responsiblity to allow Christ to better my life for His work with other people and this I accept as part of my relationship with Him.Jesus said that no one is good except God so the only thing I can do is allow Jesus to move me forward in a morally correct direction.Now if I have read my history correctly I don't think Hitler was moving in a morally correct direction.

The church in Germany at that time was dead wrong in their thinking the Bible never has taught to eliminate the Jewish people and just to be correct the Jewish people are to be supported by the christian church.

Pretend that you dislike Jews. Now read Matthew 23.

I can't see why Jesus rebuking the scribes and Pharisees would have anything to do with hatered of the Jews.Jesus was a Jew and He came to them first with the message of salvation so that they could take the message to the rest of the world.

Why did you ignore Stalin? What about China, North Korea, Cambodia? Now I will agree that religion has contributed to many terrible events down through history 9/11 is one that hits close to home and the heart and even the christian church has contributed its share. True christian teaching does not promote violence. The teachings of Jesus are of peace, love, charity and so forth and so on.

This seems like a no true Scotsman fallacy. Some of the Bible teaches peace and some of it teaches violence, hatred, and murder. You certainly cannot deny this.

Jesus never taught violence,murder,hatred or anything else that would be sinful that would have defeated His whole purpose.The no true scotsman does not apply here.

[JillSwift]

Jesus never taught violence,murder,hatred or anything else that would be sinful that would have defeated His whole purpose.The no true scotsman does not apply here.

Arguable, but either way that misses the point.

You try to call Hitler an atheist - which simply is not true. He believed, even if you don't think he believed in the right thing.

[Godschild]

Jesus never taught violence,murder,hatred or anything else that would be sinful that would have defeated His whole purpose.The no true scotsman does not apply here.

Arguable, but either way that misses the point.

You try to call Hitler an atheist - which simply is not true. He believed, even if you don't think he believed in the right thing.

I did not call Hitler an atheist,if I were to put a label on Hitler,which is what I think you want me to do,I would call him a demon or demon-possessed.I can assure you he was not a christian,his actions were not representative of a chritian life period.Even the demons and satan believe in Jesus as the Christ and they are not atheist and they are not nor will they ever be christians.This is the second or third time I've written this I did not call Hitler an atheist so stop calling him a christian no one wants to claim Hitler except for a few bizzare nuts .

[BuckeyeInNC]

I did not call Hitler an atheist

Oh, but you did . . . .

The OP provided a link to a study comparing violence in religious countries with atheist (secular) countries and you attempted to contradict the study with:

What about Hitlers Germany  . . .

Silly, silly person.

Keep setting them up, and we will continue to knock them down.

[Whitney]

What about Hitlers Germany where millions were murdered in concentration camps and many millions more died putting a stop to this madman.All this because he wanted to engineer a super race and he got the idea because of his belief in Darwin.
Stalins Soviet Union was worse millions upon millions were murdered because he and those that followed him distrusted or hated different groups of people.
Does this make any sense,only when you believe that human beings are nothing but advanced amoeba.
I can give you many more examples but this should be horrifing enough.

Godschild...why would you say the above  in a response to a thread about atheist countries being more peaceful if you were not trying to strongly imply that Hilter was an atheist?

[Godschild]

What about Hitlers Germany where millions were murdered in concentration camps and many millions more died putting a stop to this madman.All this because he wanted to engineer a super race and he got the idea because of his belief in Darwin.
Stalins Soviet Union was worse millions upon millions were murdered because he and those that followed him distrusted or hated different groups of people.
Does this make any sense,only when you believe that human beings are nothing but advanced amoeba.
I can give you many more examples but this should be horrifing enough.

Godschild...why would you say the above in a response to a thread about atheist countries being more peaceful if you were not trying to strongly imply that Hilter was an atheist?

OK I lumped him in with other atheist sorry.I'm trying to defend the christian church.So why want you respond about Stalin and the others I brought up?

[Tom62]

OK I lumped him in with other atheist sorry.I'm trying to defend the christian church.So why want you respond about Stalin and the others I brought up?

Stalin's USSR  is not on the list of the most peaceful countries of the world, because it no longer exists. The study, mentioned in this topic, is of more recent times. Modern Russia however received very bad notes in that study. Stalin was an evil, paranoid and power-mad dictator. He ruled his country with shear madness, therefore I sincerely doubt that atheism had anything to do with his motivations.

[karadan]

Does anyone know if Kim Jong Il is religious? Does he believe his father is god or is he an atheist? Not that that has any bearing on the subject. Just that, i don't really know what his stance is.

[Whitney]

Does anyone know if Kim Jong Il is religious? Does he believe his father is god or is he an atheist? Not that that has any bearing on the subject. Just that, i don't really know what his stance is.

Dear Leader will always be with them.  However Dear leader Jr. claims that Juche is not a religion.  

In place of a god, Juche substitutes Kim Il Sung, who’s called North Korea’s “Eternal President” despite kicking the bucket in 1994. Forget Christmas and Easter: North Koreans take off work for Sung’s birthday and the day of his death.

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17545/j ... -reject-it

In other words, Dear Leader is a reluctant god.