Which Statement Do You Not Agree With

[bowmore]

1) Do Not be jealous of someone else and be envious.

Jealousy can be a positive driving force, though.

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)

Parents don't automatically deserve respect and honor. They'll have to earn it like anyone else.

3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.

I think you should resist those who seek to harm you. A greater feat is obviously trying to affecct people so that they don't want to harm you in the first place.

4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.

Selfish reasons are perfectly good reasons to do something. In fact I'd argue there aren't many truly selfless reasons.

5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.

As with parents authority doesn't deserve immunity from questioning, and overthrowing. This is obviously a pre democratic notion.

6) Consider others above yourself.

See 4.

7) take care of the homeless, poor, and destitude people of this world.

Help them help themselves.

be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)

Some people manage to have happy relations without faithfulness. I'm not one of them, but I see no reason to enforce faithfulness.
I feel that 'consenting adults' is a much more useful guideline.

I see no reason to propagate child bearing in a world that already seems to house more humans than it can cope with.

9) Do not cease in doing good.

Doesn't really say much, does it. What is good?

10) a sumation of the ten commandments (do not steal, murder, etc.)

There are several commandments which I strongly disagree with (the first three for instance )

Please list the statements that you don't agree with and why. I really want to know what parts of Christianity you can't agree with.

The major part of christianity I disagree with is "a god exists".

[Will]

Finally, the sole purpose of marriage is not procreation, so I would not be offened if I could not have children. So your last paragraph does not apply.

I was responding to this:

Also, I think I did mention homosexuality when I mentioned loving you spouse and pro-creating, can't do that with the same sex.

You made it clear that procreation was a necessary ingredient in marriage. It's not the sole purpose, but it's required.

Actually, If the government says that homosexual people can be legally recognized as married then I would not fight it. I do have a problem with homosexuals wanting to get "married" (a religious term and a religious ceromony) in a church (a religious place). Why should the church be forced to something, the same as you claim that Christians are trying to force others. That is hypocritical. If they want to be civily united (sanctioned by the secular government) Then I support it 100%

The ceremony and social reality of matrimony predates religion (and even civilization) by thousands of years, so I'm afraid I have to disagree with your assertion that marriage is a religious term and ceremony. It has become something that, for some, is associated with religion, but it's not strictly religious. Atheists get married, too.

Anyway, the honest truth is that if homosexual marriage were legalized, no church would be forced to marry them. I promise you. Many churches now are perfectly willing to marry homosexual couples but are prevented from legally doing so under law. Why would homosexuals need to force unwilling churches when there are plenty of willing churches? It is a falsehood perpetrated by dishonest people that homosexuals want to force churches to marry them. I suspect you were simply mislead by these people. As one who has been a part of the gay rights movement for over 10 years, I can tell you that they're wrong.

[Whitney]

Ohh and when did self sacrifice for the love of others who could not help themselves become a bad thing. I think thats what humnas what the most since it is so prevalent in our culture (i.e. every hero movie to exist, which become the highest grossing movies in Hollywood.) I think that tells something about what speaks to the heart. Why do hate God for doing it, but love Christian Bale.(maybe its the cape) Dont be so hypocritical.

Perspective...you need to rethink your tone because you are not being civil towards the nonbelievers on this forum.  You have already force fed us our own thoughts more than once in this thread.

No one said that self sacrifice is bad.  No one said that they hate God (you can't hate what you don't believe is real).

Ok I used "hate" when you used "unfair" I appologize. Why do you think it is "unfair" for God to do something, but its "fair" for others. I hope this clears my previous statement.

Please go back and re-read my statement.  I never said anything was fair for others and don't see how what I said related to actions that could be done by others.

[PipeBox]

Well, taking into consideration your clarification on a few of them, I agree with them all, except maybe 10, because I'm still not entirely clear on what you mean.  So, uhh, what do we do when I agree?  

I mean, I think I know what your getting at, but having a moral system I agree with isn't a reason for me to adopt a religion.  I do well enough without, and besides, if I came to you with that same list but a wholly different religion tied to it, I doubt you'd convert.  There has to be something to substantiate it.  But maybe you just wanted to get some feedback on your list, I dunno.

[McQ]

Let's see. My answers below each one.

1) Do Not be jealous of someone else and be envious.
No disagreement there.

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)
Ok here too.

3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.
OK, got a problem with this one. Try to harm or kill me, and not only will I not let you, I will make sure you are brought to justice for trying.

4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.
I seek self-preservation and preservation of living things. If that's selfish, then I disagree with the statement.

5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.
Substitute the words ethics and justice for good morals, and I'm ok with this.

6) Consider others above yourself.
Then why do they tell you to put the mask on yourself before any children seated near you in preflight briefings?
 

7) take care of the homeless, poor, and destitude people of this world.
Already do.

be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)
No dice on the second part. Love does not need to be manifested in bearing children.

9) Do not cease in doing good.
Good here too.

Well, that's about it.

[Squid]

1) Do Not be jealous of someone else and be envious.

Why not?

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)

Giving birth and/or providing sperm do not automatically make someone parent of the year.

3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.

Fuck that.

4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.

Most of what people do is for selfish reasons even when disguised as charity.

5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.

Were this to be done there would have been no civil rights movements, no revolutions and so forth and who's morals are we talking about?  Not everyone's is the same.

6) Consider others above yourself.

Why?

7) take care of the homeless, poor, and destitude people of this world.

Take care of the homeless, poor and destitute?  Then who will take care of me?  Not like I'm Donald friggin' Trump here.

be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)

You've obviously never had an ex-wife.

9) Do not cease in doing good.

By who's definition?

10) a sumation of the ten commandments (do not steal, murder, etc.)

The 10 commandments, psstffffftttt...the only one's not relating to ridiculous crap like graven images and having no other gods such as the couple you specified predate Christianity and even the precursors to that religion as well.  Those "universal morals" are a product of our evolutionary ancestry as social primates.

[SSY]

Squid seems to have climbed inisde my brain and transcribed my thoughts regarding these questions, spooky.

[Tom62]

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)
I love my father, but I don't honor him. We have some things in common, but I don't always  agree with him.

3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.
No way!

4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.
It is good to be proud of your accomplishments, even if it sounds selfish. Being humble all the time, reduces your chances in life. People will be unaware of your strengths and capabilities, so that you'll end up with a boring job, doing boring things.

5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.
Absolutely ridiculous.

6) Consider others above yourself.
No, why should I?

be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)
I'm faithful to my wife, but we don't want to have children. Love has nothing to do with bearing children!

10) a sumation of the ten commandments (do not steal, murder, etc.)
I think this sums up pretty well what I think about the 10 commandments
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[templeboy]

Oooh, this looks like a fun game!

1) Do Not be jealous of someone else and be envious.
Jealousy and envy are a strong motivation for me. They are good things if you use them to help pull yourself up, rather than to pull someone else down. The bible's view on this makes no sense at all.

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)
If they raise me well, which they have (after all, I did end up an atheist :p .)

3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.
Hahaha what? If someone seeks me harm, I will resist, and I will not "love" them for it. That said, I won't be stubborn and not forgive them if they are able to redeem themselves appropriatly.

4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.
This is just too absolutist for me. Being proud of something I am good at is no sin. And most of what I do is for selfish reasons. It is only when it harms others that I have a moral judgement to make.

5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.
No, be respective, but assertive and confident in myself where possible.

6) Consider others above yourself.
I hate to say it, but I am the most important person to me, and I will act as such. Even so, I consider myself a reasonably generous and selfless person...but this isn't a matter of principle, it is a matter of upbringing and instinct.

7) take care of the homeless, poor, and destitude people of this world.
I do fully agree with this.

be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)
The first part for sure, the second part, if I have children, it will be for selfish reasons. (As in, I want children.)

9) Do not cease in doing good.
I couldn't if I tried. Although it is a pretty vague statement.

10) a sumation of the ten commandments (do not steal, murder, etc.)
Some of them are reasonable although should never be presented as absolute (do not kill, steal.) Others are downright BS. Like don't swear have no other god than him, the sabbath. Overall, as a moral code, the commandments are no worth the stones they were carved onto. And thats even when we are considering the popular, dumbed down version, which doesn't talk about coveting slaves and all that...and that is only one of three versions of the commandments, each more batty than the last.
Please list the statements that you don't agree with and why. I really want to know what parts of Christianity you can't agree with.

[karadan]

Actually most of what I posted came from the mouth of Jesus, not the ten commandments. Further, I am not talking about Jewish law so your arguments from the Old Testament are void. I am talking about the way Christains are commanded to live. (period) In what ways are Christians supposed to live don't agree with. Also, I think I did mention homosexuality when I mentioned loving you spouse and pro-creating, can't do that with the same sex. I am solely talking about the living out of the Christian life by being humble and loving. What do you find so offending about that?

I have an issue with being commanded by anyone, let alone some invisible sky bully. As Whitney said, you do not have to be christian to uphold these statements. Don't confuse simple humanism for religion.

[karadan]

Ohh and when did self sacrifice for the love of others who could not help themselves become a bad thing. I think thats what humnas what the most since it is so prevalent in our culture (i.e. every hero movie to exist, which become the highest grossing movies in Hollywood.) I think that tells something about what speaks to the heart. Why do hate God for doing it, but love Christian Bale.(maybe its the cape) Dont be so hypocritical.

Exactly what did he die for?
If jesus saved hundreds of school kids from a burning building, then died of smoke inhilation, THEN he'd get lots more respect.

Fortunately none of it ever existed so the entire point is moot.

[karadan]

I do have a problem with homosexuals wanting to get "married" (a religious term and a religious ceromony) in a church (a religious place). Why should the church be forced to something, the same as you claim that Christians are trying to force others. That is hypocritical. If they want to be civily united (sanctioned by the secular government) Then I support it 100%

The way in which a marriage is conducted has changed over time, as has the institution itself. Although the institution of marriage pre-dates reliable recorded history, many cultures have legends or religious beliefs concerning the origins of marriage. The anciant Greeks got married. Ancient druids got married. Pagans got married (before the christians killed them all).
Marriage certainly is not a christian invention, nor is it solely theirs to call the shots with.

[perspective]

The ceremony and social reality of matrimony predates religion (and even civilization) by thousands of years, so I'm afraid I have to disagree with your assertion that marriage is a religious term and ceremony. It has become something that, for some, is associated with religion, but it's not strictly religious. Atheists get married, too.

Anyway, the honest truth is that if homosexual marriage were legalized, no church would be forced to marry them. I promise you. Many churches now are perfectly willing to marry homosexual couples but are prevented from legally doing so under law. Why would homosexuals need to force unwilling churches when there are plenty of willing churches? It is a falsehood perpetrated by dishonest people that homosexuals want to force churches to marry them. I suspect you were simply mislead by these people. As one who has been a part of the gay rights movement for over 10 years, I can tell you that they're wrong.

While a disagree that marriage predates religion since there never was a time without religion, just a time such as now that people chose to forget it. Anyway, lets give that one to you. Even if that is the case marriage to the church is definitely defined as a religious ceremony in which two people are wed by an oath witnessed by God and the church. I don't think you can agrue with that. Further, the term marriage is a default religious term, heck the Catholics regard it as a sacrament. So I think you understand my point. Again if homosexuals want to get civily united by the judge at the courthouse, then I 100% think that they should have that right.

[perspective]

Ok and now the point of my original post. Most of you (some with mild execptions to the tenants) argeed with the moral or social principles that Christians are called to live by. So my point is to say that you really don't have problems with Christians (if they live like they claim they ought) but really you just have a problem with the authority of God, or maybe that there is right and wrong and you have to answer for that. Now, I can forsee that some will quickly respond with something about this bad thing or that bad thing that Christians do, but again I say that if a Christian lives by the statements I posted first then I don't think you can say anything bad about that. Really, it all falls back on authority under God and judgement for actions. I would like feedback on this.

[Whitney]

Ok and now the point of my original post. Most of you (some with mild execptions to the tenants) argeed with the moral or social principles that Christians are called to live by. So my point is to say that you really don't have problems with Christians (if they live like they claim they ought) but really you just have a problem with the authority of God, or maybe that there is right and wrong and you have to answer for that. Now, I can forsee that some will quickly respond with something about this bad thing or that bad thing that Christians do, but again I say that if a Christian lives by the statements I posted first then I don't think you can say anything bad about that. Really, it all falls back on authority under God and judgement for actions. I would like feedback on this.

NO...again, you are feeding your ideas into our views.

We simply have problems with things that are not true.

That said, there are a lot of things written in the bible that I take issue with...the things you listed just aren't in my top 10.