Attributes of the Abrihamic God - further disproof

[McQ]

`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

I actually like this. I think it is a really well written passage. Is it original to you? If so, very nicely done.  

[Sophus]

`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

I actually like this. I think it is a really well written passage. Is it original to you? If so, very nicely done.  

It's Douglas Adams.

[Hitsumei]

`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

I actually like this. I think it is a really well written passage. Is it original to you? If so, very nicely done.  

No, no, that is the philosopher "man", who is occasionally mentioned in The Hitchhiker's Guild to the Galaxy book series. Dougles Adams is indeed a brilliant writer, I love his work. Dougles Adams isn't meaning to show the atheist position ridiculous either, this is specifically a jab at philosophers. He makes several.

[McQ]

Yeah, I think that's why I like it. It's a well written jab. I don't care who it is aimed at, it's just funny and damn good! I never read "The Hitchhiker's Guide" but maybe now I will. You've gotten me interested. I'll have to see if I can download it to my iPhone via eReader/Kindle/Stanza, whoever... Thanks!

[curiosityandthecat]

McQ.   Nice.

[Tom62]

Yeah, I think that's why I like it. It's a well written jab. I don't care who it is aimed at, it's just funny and damn good! I never read "The Hitchhiker's Guide" but maybe now I will. You've gotten me interested. I'll have to see if I can download it to my iPhone via eReader/Kindle/Stanza, whoever... Thanks!

I can highly recommend the Hitchhiker's Guide as well. It is so extremely funny. Some quotes.

There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

Arthur: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur: I don't know, I didn't listen.

Universe - Population
It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

[McQ]

Yeah, I think that's why I like it. It's a well written jab. I don't care who it is aimed at, it's just funny and damn good! I never read "The Hitchhiker's Guide" but maybe now I will. You've gotten me interested. I'll have to see if I can download it to my iPhone via eReader/Kindle/Stanza, whoever... Thanks!

I can highly recommend the Hitchhiker's Guide as well. It is so extremely funny. Some quotes.

There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened.

Arthur: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young.
Ford: Why, what did she tell you?
Arthur: I don't know, I didn't listen.

Universe - Population
It is known that there is an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Therefore, there must be a finite number of inhabited worlds. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near to nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the universe can be said to be zero. From this it follows that the population of the universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination.

Beautiful! LOL! Thanks, Tom!

[Ryytikki]

nothing can beat the philosophy of Douglass Adams  

[Ryytikki]

ok, here's another attempt

perfect god = perfect creations
perfect universe = one where a protector/guardian/creator isnt needed
lack of need = obsolete
perfect universe = lack of the obsolete
therefore god cannot exist in a perfect universe

Its fine until you point out that the universe isn't perfect

I was also having an argument about logical impossibilities with some theists who, when confronted with the Necessary non-existence argument, stated that god could both exist and not exist at the same time. Isn't that also an impossibility?
If that is the case then all the others also apply

Isn't winding circles around theists arguments fun  

[Hitsumei]

You can prove anything if you just define your terms to support your conclusion.

1)Stupid person: person who disagrees with any of the premises or the conclusion of this argument, including this premise.
2)God: that which necessarily exists if the universe exists.
3)The universe exists
4) God necessarily exists (2) and (3), and if you disagree you are stupid (1).

This argument is completely logically valid, but it is rubbish because I just invented all of my premises on the spot.

[Ryytikki]

in that case;

1) I forgot to take my meds today
2) .'. I am christ!
3) .'. god exists

Argument 23(DORE'S ARGUMENT) from http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

[Godschild]

The most important thing about God was not mentioned"LOVE". God does not practice love He is love and that is why He limits His actions within His creation.God does not have to prove His omnipotence by lifting the rock.His proof would be in the creation of the rock.

Love to all in Christ Jesus

[PipeBox]

The most important thing about God was not mentioned"LOVE". God does not practice love He is love and that is why He limits His actions within His creation.God does not have to prove His omnipotence by lifting the rock.His proof would be in the creation of the rock.

Love to all in Christ Jesus

The rock appears to have come about by wholly natural means.  We've yet to find the need to invoke a supernatural creator as we track backward through time.  And even if there was evidence a deity created the rocks just as they are, how are we to know which deity?  How are we to know if any of man's envisioned deities are even correct?  At best, you would have evidence of a deist god.  As of now, you don't even have evidence of that.  So how can you claim to us that God is proved by the existence of something else?  It's a huge break in what logically follows.

Now, disregarding the creation part, if God is love, and will never act overtly in the universe because he is love, then God is, for all intents and purposes, just love.  If you call your god an emotion, well, I can't deny that it exists, but why call an emotion, or say, the sun, a god?  There are many other emotions, and these aren't described as experiencing God, but they are equally emotive.  It looks as though some people decided to stick a trademark on love, to me.

I don't believe what isn't evidenced just because it is has an extensive mythology behind it, and it is accepted by the people who already believe as internally consistent.

Peace and good tidings to you, from a mortal man.

[Godschild]

I was not trying to prove God,that is not possible as I have stated before.I wanted to share my view as a christian.So for you guys assuming there is God He is not only love but many other emotions and they are what limits His interferance in our free will.Also assuming there is God He is not just anything HE is everything that is good.I've read so many times on this forum that God has free will and I do not understand where that comes from I've never read He has free will in the Bible.

No trademark here.If it wasn't for Gods love I would be someone who most could not love and that is a fact.

Come about by natural means does that mean they made their ownselves now that would be some kind of miracle that's alot of different types of material to come together own its on behalf to have so many different types of rock.

think I'm going to hit the hay it's getting late

Love to all in Christ Jesus

[PipeBox]

Ah, but I see no miracle, but the same physics operating on the same matter.  I suppose if God has no free will, as you claim, and this is where it has brought us, then the Koran and Bhagavad-Gita are its will as well, as well as emotions.  Simply put, we are experiencing God.  This is a pantheistic belief, where all is God.  You seek to set a limiter of "all good things," but that is strange distinction, as the "bad" things are equally manifest, just as potent in reality.

Still I'm reminded of a quote by Gaius Baltar:  "God isn't on any side, God is a force of nature; beyond good and evil, we make good and evil."
But I don't feel compelled to worship reality, nor call it God.  I just look on in awe.