Atheists, come on, really, stop and think for a minute..

[Kodanshi]

Atheism isn't saying "I have 100% proof God doesn't exist", it's saying "I can't prove unicorns and wizards and giant worms living inside the sun don't exist, but I can use my rationality to feel they don't exist with a level of certainty.

And that until we have concrete proof of the existence for god we can reject the notion of its existence the same way we can with Bertrand Russell’s celestial teapot, or in Ardena (goddess of the forests of Britain), etc.

[Wendy]

Psalm 23-- I have been reading all the posts in this thread for the past couple days and I must say, you seem like you aren't even trying! This is one of the most disappointing arguments against atheism I have ever seen in my life.

Wendy,

It's not an argument, it's the truth.

It's the truth to you, doesn't make it fact.

Atheism has failed on every possible level

I really don't understand what you mean here. I don't really see what 'fail' or 'succeed' has to do with atheism?

No human being can say, "There is no God" or "I don't believe in God" without having 100% proof

Once again, no human being can say, "There is a god" without having 100% proof. Your gut is not proof.

Modern day atheists take it one step further!
They like to go online and protest against religion and God. I'm sorry to inform you, but that's not the definition of atheism.

As far as I know, I have the freedom, just as you do, to go online, meet people like me and discuss the issues of my day. If you had looked around you can see this website is much more than just talking about atheism. I've only been a member for a few days, but the only time this discussion has come up is when a christian has come in seemingly trying to convince the members they are wrong.  I'm not protesting anything--you are the one here protesting.

If I didn't believe in something.. I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online talking about it. That seems boring if you ask me.

If I believed in something, I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online trying to convince people who didn't. You don't know what I do, or how much time I spend online or how much time I spend talking about the nonexistence of a god. (However, by quoting me, you forced my hand to talk about it this time.)

Is it normal to discuss things you don't believe in? Do you visit website forums that discuss aliens and UFO's and tell them UFO's and aliens do not exist?

Read what you are typing! I didn't go to any website that discusses religion and tell them god doesn't exist. YOU came to an ATHEIST website. The sad thing is, you aren't even paying attention.

There is something about God's existence that drives atheists over the edge. I know of more atheists that talk about God more than the average Christian believer.    

I don't believe this is true. I have a gut feeling you are not being truthful here. I'm certainly not over the edge and this is the most I've talked about god for a long time.

I'm writing a new book called, "Atheism; the obsession of God's existence."

Eh...good luck?

You claim to know the definition of an atheist, but clearly you haven't read or are choosing to ignore what the others in this group have told you in their posts. You chose my little post, just to show you are still here and still fighting, without having to come up with anything besides a gut feeling as a response.

[PipeBox]

Wow, Psalm.  I'd like for you to expound how atheism fails on every level, since that's a pretty big claim.  I'd also like for you to start believing in the Celestial Teapot since you can't 100% prove it isn't out there, and that means you cannot not believe in it, as per your words.  These aren't even arguments, you're right, they're false assertions.

And yeah, it's pathetically sad that we have to protest anything, or discuss religious absurdities with anyone, but the people in charge don't believe in UFO's, and even if they do, they don't make decisions based on them or pray to aliens, believing it will help them make a better choice.  Aliens don't interfere with legitimate science.  Were we living in Islamic nations, and were they to have freedom of speech, we'd be speaking against it instead.  It's not as though the concept of your God evokes a special wrath in comparison to anything else.  Indeed, the Muslims are acting out more, lately, but they aren't trying to get the Texas Board of Education to reject validated science, our leaders don't pray to Allah, one of their major denomination isn't pushing for the spread of AIDS in Africa, and so on.  But if one comes in here and tries to spread their belief, or makes poor arguments, you can watch us reply in exactly the same manner.  Indeed, if Muslims were pushing creationism is schools, we'd still write letters to the School Board, and if they were using their religion to legislate their morality, we'd be in opposition to that as well (to that extent, we greatly oppose the idiotic measures islamic nations are pushing for in the UN).  If people who believed they were talking to aliens when they closed their eyes and looked at the floor came in here, we'd address them as well.  Let's get that straight:  You came here.  We didn't hunt you down.  While your beliefs are dangerous (you believe that freedom of speech should be done away with?), we would have left you alone if you'd never opened your mouth.

The cry that we hate you and your ilk above all else is only valid to the point where you place yourselves in the government above all else, and believe yourselves to have moral authority.  Tell me, what is your ideal country?  Would they teach astronomy and evolution in schools?  Would sex even be mentioned?  Would there be any freedom of speech, or would children asking timidly how we could believe there really were any gods be dealt with harshly for merely speaking their minds?  Would scientists be able to research anything in regards to our origins, or discuss cosmology without the assumption of a god?  Would science only be able to publish findings if they didn't move in on your ancient book or they also offered up an apologetic explanation as the final "truth" of their research, a baseless assumption?  Does this sound like your ideal nation, so long as we all worship the God of the Bible?  Wager a guess at how long it would take for punishment to be dictated by the Bible.

The argument you're making to Wendy is what exactly?  That atheists are all crazy people for taking the time out to speak their minds on manners of faith, and that crazy people are proof of your god?  Is that what we're down to, everything else you've posted having been taken apart?

[joeactor]

I don't think it's religion or atheism that's the problem.  It's just stupid people.  And my favorite saying, "You can't fix stupid".

I agree 100%!  

Hard to have a meaningful dialog with "stupid"...

As my wife says "stupid and stubborn is the worst combination"

[Hitsumei]

I don't think it's religion or atheism that's the problem.  It's just stupid people.  And my favorite saying, "You can't fix stupid".

I agree 100%!  

Hard to have a meaningful dialog with "stupid"...

As my wife says "stupid and stubborn is the worst combination"

Usually I can get away with being one or the other, but I try to avoid a conglomeration.

[Kylyssa]

If I didn't believe in something.. I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online talking about it. That seems boring if you ask me.

Is it normal to discuss things you don't believe in? Do you visit website forums that discuss aliens and UFO's and tell them UFO's and aliens do not exist?

The second UFO believers gain control of government and start making laws we're all forced to follow, I can guarantee you'd be right there with us complaining about their infringement upon our rights.  The second they were allowed to teach in school that UFO's are 100% real you'd be picketing.  The second one of them beat the crap out of you or one of your kids for not believing in UFO's you'd be launching a campaign against them.  The second you were surrounded by UFO freaks running the country you'd seek out other people who didn't believe in UFO's to commiserate with once you lost your job for not believing in UFO's or got a death threat for not believing in UFO's.  The second UFO believers went door-to-door evangelizing and screamed threats at you from street corners - you'd complain.  The second they started picketing funerals with signs saying "Aliens Love Dead Soldiers" and "Aliens Hate Heterosexuals" or "Aliens Hate America" Christians would be in a tizzy.  Once they started bombing dentist offices because "aliens believe dentistry is an abomination", Christians would be talking about it, you can be sure.  The first time they beat someone to death for having sex with a person whose name ends with the same letter as their own - which UFO believers believe is an abomination - you'd complain.  

So you think that we should just shut up - on our own website - because you feel Christians are completely entitled to control the world and do anything they want to any non-Christian and to Christians they disagree with?  Is it because we complain when your people beat up gays and start a holy war in Iraq?

Besides which - you are visiting an atheist forum and screaming that you are persecuted because people wear t-shirts and disagree with you when you evangelize them.  Why are you so obsessed with atheists?

[VanReal]

It's not an argument, it's the truth.

Atheism has failed on every possible level..

No human being can say, "There is no God" or "I don't believe in God" without having 100% proof!

Modern day atheists take it one step further!
They like to go online and protest against religion and God. I'm sorry to inform you, but that's not the definition of atheism.

If I didn't believe in something.. I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online talking about it. That seems boring if you ask me.

Is it normal to discuss things you don't believe in? Do you visit website forums that discuss aliens and UFO's and tell them UFO's and aliens do not exist?

There is something about God's existence that drives atheists over the edge. I know of more atheists that talk about God more than the average Christian believer.  

I'm writing a new book called, "Atheism; the obsession of God's existence."

You are just getting more combative and provacative and making less and less sense (if that's possible).

Yes, human beings can and do say they don't believe in god(s), it's happening right now.

When you aren't here we are talking about other things, god only comes up when people like you start determining what people can think.

I don't know why anyone is even bothering to respond to you anymore.  You have no argument, you are trying to bully what people can think, and attempting to provoke people into getting upset so you can get your kicks.  I'm sorry, you can say whatever you want about atheists and write your book, who cares, it's not like we believe anything you guys write anyway...obviously.

Argghhh, please stop encouraging him people.

[Ihateyoumike]

Wendy,

It's not an argument, it's the truth.

Wrong. It's an argument, and a really bad one at that.

Atheism has failed on every possible level..

Too stupid of a statement to even respond to.

No human being can say, "There is no God" or "I don't believe in God" without having 100% proof!

I can: There is no god, and I don't believe in god although I do not have 100% proof. There, I said it. I guess I'm not human.

Modern day atheists take it one step further!
They like to go online and protest against religion and God. I'm sorry to inform you, but that's not the definition of atheism.

What kind of ass-hat would come onto an atheist forum and try to tell everyone that their definition of atheism is wrong. Guess what buddy, your definition of christian is wrong.
Oh, and I searched out this forum because I was tired of religutards flooding every other forum on the internet with their stupid message.

If I didn't believe in something.. I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online talking about it. That seems boring if you ask me.

Although, since you believe in something ridiculous, you feel the need to spread that ridiculous message to everyone else even at the risk of making an ass of yourself in the process. Guess what, if you leave, we stop talking about your stupid message until the next messenger or psalm23 shows up to make the same stupid arguments.

Is it normal to discuss things you don't believe in? Do you visit website forums that discuss aliens and UFO's and tell them UFO's and aliens do not exist?

Yes, it's normal. I don't read UFO forums, but I will sit back and watch a show about the paranormal and aliens. I will also discuss it with others if they want. If they want to tell me why they think UFOs exist, I will tell them why they do not.  This does not mean I believe any of it, but I am allowed to find it interesting that there are people out there who are able to allow themselves to believe in things that have no proof whatsoever.

There is something about God's existence that drives atheists over the edge. I know of more atheists that talk about God more than the average Christian believer.

No there is not, because that would assume your god's existence. If you knew even the first thing about atheism, you would know that god not existing is the basis for it. And your statement about atheists talking about god more that the average christian believer isn't worth responding to.

I'm writing a new book called, "Atheism; the obsession of God's existence."

And I shall not read it. Nor, should I imagine, will anyone else.

[Lilbeth]

Psalm, I feel you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else here.....of your own beliefs.......  

[rlrose328]

Wendy,

It's not an argument, it's the truth.

Atheism has failed on every possible level..

You have patently ignored every post by an atheist in this thread.  I've got just a few questions... same ones many of us have asked and that you are managing to avoid, for the most part.

How has atheism failed?  How can a disbelief in something that's not proven to exist a fail?

No human being can say, "There is no God" or "I don't believe in God" without having 100% proof!

And why is it that we can't say "there is no god" without any proof whatsoever of a NONexistence, but you can say "there IS as god, I can FEEL it" without impunity?  Further, one need not have proof to have a belief.  Hence, Christianity.

Modern day atheists take it one step further!
They like to go online and protest against religion and God. I'm sorry to inform you, but that's not the definition of atheism.

I don't recall anyone here saying that going online to debate god's existence is the definition of atheism.  Let's cover it again.

ATHEISM
A = away from, without
THEISM = belief in god(s)

Therefore, atheism is merely being without a belief in god.  Period.  Not a religion.  Not an occupation.  Not a way of navigating forums on the net.

If I didn't believe in something.. I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online talking about it. That seems boring if you ask me.

You WOULD waste your time talking about it and debating it IF that thing you didn't believe existed is making an impact on your life.  Laws passed based on the bible, people flying planes into buildings or blowing up clinics, forced to say the name of the fictional being when pledging allegiance to your country, and seeing the name of the fictional being on your money.  I cannot ESCAPE religion, god or his followers, 24 / 7, ALL YEAR LONG.  Can you say that about Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, or heck, Harry Potter?  What if those Muslims you're having such a grand time complaining about DO succeed in taking over our country and you're forced to use money with "Allah" on it or saying "One nation, under Allah"?  Then I bet you'd have PLENTY to say about it, and not in a supportive way.

THAT'S why we discuss it... and it's NEVER boring, trust me.

Is it normal to discuss things you don't believe in? Do you visit website forums that discuss aliens and UFO's and tell them UFO's and aliens do not exist?

Again, I don't have to believe in something to have an opinion on it.  I do have opinions about UFOs and aliens, and would GLADLY visit forums that discuss them to have my say if the spirit moved me ;-)   But again, even though I don't believe it, religion and god have a GREAT impact on my life, even though I do not believe god exists and I believe religion is a damaging prospect at best.

There is something about God's existence that drives atheists over the edge. I know of more atheists that talk about God more than the average Christian believer.  

Maybe that's because you're hanging out here, with people who come here to share their frustration about the overwhelming religiosity in this theocratic nation of ours?  Just a guess.

I'm writing a new book called, "Atheism; the obsession of God's existence."

More power to you.  Just another rag I won't bother reading.

[maestroanth]

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[maestroanth]

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[Sophus]

It's not an argument, it's the truth.

For your sake I hope you're writing these posts from Bellevue.

Atheism has failed on every possible level..

That's the first time I've ever heard a Christian call their God a failure.

No human being can say, "There is no God" or "I don't believe in God" without having 100% proof!

It's called common sense, which isn't too common. You don't have to know for 100% that Zeus isn't real to not believe in him.

Modern day atheists take it one step further!
They like to go online and protest against religion and God. I'm sorry to inform you, but that's not the definition of atheism.

If I didn't believe in something.. I'd be damned if I would waste my life away online talking about it. That seems boring if you ask me.

Is it normal to discuss things you don't believe in? Do you visit website forums that discuss aliens and UFO's and tell them UFO's and aliens do not exist?

Anyone else notice the irony? This person is writing in an atheist forum! Ha!

Religious people are slightly more common than ET believers and far more absurd....

It's normal to discuss things your interested in. The brainwashing, the insanity, the copious followers the bigotry behavior by those such as yourself it's all very fascinating. By the way, we are not all the atheists in the world. For every one of us on this forum there's a handful of atheists who aren't discussing religion online. HOWEVER I would say this is primarily a place for atheists to hideout from religion and vent about its flaws. Most of the world is religous or at leat theistic so  if the topic is on our minds a lot it's because it's on your mind a lot, and we constantly have to tolerate people like you  

[Psalm23]

You WOULD waste your time talking about it and debating it IF that thing you didn't believe existed is making an impact on your life.  Laws passed based on the bible, people flying planes into buildings or blowing up clinics, forced to say the name of the fictional being when pledging allegiance to your country, and seeing the name of the fictional being on your money.  I cannot ESCAPE religion, god or his followers, 24 / 7, ALL YEAR LONG.

America is "One Nation under God," and America believes in the motto, "In God We Trust." There are roughly 225 million Christians in America. We are the majority. Like I have said previously.. Would you visit Iran or Pakistan and tell them to STOP saying, "One nation under Allah?" I highly doubt you would say anything about it. They would cut off your head!

Can you say that about Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, or heck, Harry Potter?  What if those Muslims you're having such a grand time complaining about DO succeed in taking over our country and you're forced to use money with "Allah" on it or saying "One nation, under Allah"?  Then I bet you'd have PLENTY to say about it, and not in a supportive way.

America is not an Islamic nation. We are not supposed to have "One nation under Allah" on American currency! I think the U.S Congress and Senate are planning on placing "In Christ we Trust" on American currency.. atheists will really flip out then!!

Secondly, I'm sure you celebrate Christmas and Easter, too, right? Two holidays that are deep in religious tradition, but atheists claim they can celebrate them, too! lol. Atheists want nothing to do with religion,, only when it comes to receiving gifts and money. Christmas means, "Mass for Christ."

I think it's boring.....................I read delusion of god, dawkins picks the easy battles.  Honestly, wisdom comes deeper then clever word tricks imo.  (FSM doesn't cut deep spirituality......)

Richard Dawkins wrote a book called; "The God Delusion," but he goes on the O'Reilly Factor on the FOX News channel and Mr. Dawkins openly admitted to Bill O'Reilly that he could NOT prove Jesus Christ wasn't God. So, in reality who is deluded? Of course it's easy to claim a belief is a delusion, but proving it would be a huge benefit.. but Dawkins cannot provide a single shred of evidence.

Richard Dawkins is just another clueless robot working under the wings of Satan.

Who would have thought 3,000 years that in 2009 atheism would be preaching against God, rather than simply just NOT beleiving?

I'm an atheist when it comes to gods like Thor, Allah, Zeus, Mithras, but you don't see me joining their websites and talking about their gods.

I guess I'm the only true atheist in here.  

[Wendy]

Who would have thought 3,000 years that in 2009 atheism would be preaching against God, rather than simply just NOT beleiving?

I'm an atheist when it comes to gods like Thor, Allah, Zeus, Mithras, but you don't see me joining their websites and talking about their gods.

I guess I'm the only true atheist in here.  

THIS is what I don't understand. YOU joined an atheist website. I have not joined a christian website to talk about their god. YOU came here to preach, we did not go to you.


I just wonder what your purpose is? Are you here to "show us the light?" What do you want?