HOORAY for atheism!!!

[karakara]

Friend,

I owe you an apology for first saying that I wouldn't get nasty, then I got nasty. I'll take that demerit and stay after school.. bad day.

As far as 'justifying my assertion' .. I don't feel the need, it should be self-evident. Some things are simply self-evident.

Sat Nam

[karadan]

Friend,

I owe you an apology for first saying that I wouldn't get nasty, then I got nasty. I'll take that demerit and stay after school.. bad day.

As far as 'justifying my assertion' .. I don't feel the need, it should be self-evident. Some things are simply self-evident.

Sat Nam

Indeed.

My apologies for goading you. I'm not really a confrontationist so if i sounded like i was being disrespectful, i apologise. That certainly is not my agenda.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Some things are simply self-evident.

No it isn't ... please justify your assertion.

Kyu

[karakara]

Kyuuketsuki Ji (Ji is a term of respect that we add after people's names in Panjabi)

Lol, How did I know that you wouldn't be able to resist chiming in?

Well, I'll have plenty of time for 'justifying my assertions', but even so, from our polar opposite perspectives, we'd probably just be talking past each other.

But -- hey,a pimple on your ass is ... a pimple on your ass. Self-Evident.

Sat Nam,

[curiosityandthecat]

But -- hey,a pimple on your ass is ... a pimple on your ass. Self-Evident.

Not when it's Methicilin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus and just looks like a pimple. That stuff'll kill ya. (I should know. I was quarantined in the hospital because of it.)

[Kyuuketsuki]

hey,a pimple on your ass is ... a pimple on your ass. Self-Evident.

Stop avoiding the point and justify the assertion as requested please.

Kyu

[karakara]

Kyu Ji,

Last time I checked, this was the Religion section of this  forum. Were I to post what I did in any other section, then
I'm on 'your turf', so to speak. My purpose for posting anything here.. although I occssionally lapse and break my own rules..
is to educate and provide information, not to subject myself to cross-examination by Atheists.  I'm not on trial. For that matter, if you've read some of my earlier posts you know that I'm a former Atheist and was quite skilled myself at baiting and debating 'religious people' in the past.. before I found God.

 Kyu, I know the game here too well, and I just don't play by your rules as you define them... as I used to define them.  I know from my own past that in my 'Atheist' days, I could always win any argument with religious people.. but the game was rigged, the rules skewed. And as I can clearly see today, for all of my hollow debate 'victories', I proved nothing..  I won't convince you of anything, nor will you of me. We have different world view, different perspectives, and different experiences, or lack thereof.

Sat Nam

[Kyuuketsuki]

Some Waffle

Stop avoiding the point and justify the assertion as requested please.

Kyu

[McQ]

Folks, this is the Religion section. I don't see how further goading and repeating the same question will go anywhere. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Folks, this is the Religion section. I don't see how further goading and repeating the same question will go anywhere. Sometimes you have to agree to disagree.

With respect McQ I strongly disagree ... this is (as far as I know) a forum in which people discuss and debate issues and if the someone involved in such a debate (which karakara is and so am I) and won't deal with the point given then I believe it is valid to repeat the unanswered point until that person either deals with it or withdraws the assertion made.

Karakara made an assertion that what I said was self-evidently wrong so, until such point as she justifies it or withdraws it I believe I have the right to continue to ask her to do so.  

Kyu

[karakara]

Kyu Ji,

It's 'he' .. I'm a little to hairy for a 'she'.

With all due respect, my answer is my answer. I just ain't playing by your rules, been there, done that. Please get over it. Declare victory if it makes you feel
any better, or if you have some psychological need for 'closure'. I'm also trying to bring an obvious 'human element' to counter your.. well, 'sterile' tone.

Sat Nam

[Kyuuketsuki]

With all due respect, my answer is my answer. I just ain't playing by your rules, been there, done that. Please get over it. Declare victory if it makes you feel
any better, or if you have some psychological need for 'closure'. I'm also trying to bring an obvious 'human element' to counter your.. well, 'sterile' tone.

No ... unless you are prepared to state that you are ignoring the basic rules of debate, explain your assertion or withdraw it I will not get over it.

You are the interloper here.

Kyu

[karakara]

Kyu,

Well hell Pal, yes, I'm ignoring basic rules of debate, as I've repeatedly said, I don't play by your rules. Your rules don't apply to some aspects of spirituality. They're inadequate. So I'm the interloper in this case, fair and good. If you want a forum that mandates structured rules of debate, go start your own. As long as I'm given license to post, argue, assert, respond, expound, bloviate, etc., freestyle -- playing it by ear, as I seem fit, I'll do it, as Frank Sinatra says, 'My Way'. From this point on in this particular thread, I feel compelled to ignore your pestering.

[Kyuuketsuki]

Kyu,

Well hell Pal, yes, I'm ignoring basic rules of debate, as I've repeatedly said, I don't play by your rules. Your rules don't apply to some aspects of spirituality. They're inadequate. So I'm the interloper in this case, fair and good. If you want a forum that mandates structured rules of debate, go start your own. As long as I'm given license to post, argue, assert, respond, expound, bloviate, etc., freestyle -- playing it by ear, as I seem fit, I'll do it, as Frank Sinatra says, 'My Way'. From this point on in this particular thread, I feel compelled to ignore your pestering.

And I reserve the right to continue "pestering" you for it.

Karakara:
Since the existence of God can be neither proven or disproved

Kyuuketsuki:
The existence of an invisible flying purple people eater purple can neither be proven or disproven ... would you accept as a working hypothesis that it might exist and that we should all act with that in mind and be forced to justify our stance with respect to the claim?

Karakara:
I won't get nasty, but simply observe that your analogy is an extremely poor one at best.

Kyuuketsuki:
Why? Exactly what makes my analogy a poor one? Justify your assertion.

Kyuuketsuki:
Karakara ... I'm still waiting for you to justify your assertion.

Karakara:
As far as 'justifying my assertion' .. I don't feel the need, it should be self-evident. Some things are simply self-evident.

Kyuuketsuki:
No it isn't ... please justify your assertion

Karakara:
Well, I'll have plenty of time for 'justifying my assertions', but even so, from our polar opposite perspectives, we'd probably just be talking past each other. But -- hey,a pimple on your ass is ... a pimple on your ass. Self-Evident.

Kyuuketsuki:
Stop avoiding the point and justify the assertion as requested please.

Karakara:
Kyu, I know the game here too well, and I just don't play by your rules as you define them... as I used to define them. I know from my own past that in my 'Atheist' days, I could always win any argument with religious people.. but the game was rigged, the rules skewed. And as I can clearly see today, for all of my hollow debate 'victories', I proved nothing.. I won't convince you of anything, nor will you of me. We have different world view, different perspectives, and different experiences, or lack thereof.

Kyuuketsuki:
Stop avoiding the point and justify the assertion as requested please.

Karakara:
With all due respect, my answer is my answer. I just ain't playing by your rules, been there, done that. Please get over it. Declare victory if it makes you feel
any better, or if you have some psychological need for 'closure'. I'm also trying to bring an obvious 'human element' to counter your.. well, 'sterile' tone.

Kyuuketsuki:
No ... unless you are prepared to state that you are ignoring the basic rules of debate, explain your assertion or withdraw it I will not get over it. You are the interloper here.

Karakara:
Well hell Pal, yes, I'm ignoring basic rules of debate, as I've repeatedly said, I don't play by your rules. Your rules don't apply to some aspects of spirituality. They're inadequate. So I'm the interloper in this case, fair and good. If you want a forum that mandates structured rules of debate, go start your own. As long as I'm given license to post, argue, assert, respond, expound, bloviate, etc., freestyle -- playing it by ear, as I seem fit, I'll do it, as Frank Sinatra says, 'My Way'. From this point on in this particular thread, I feel compelled to ignore your pestering.

Kyuuketsuki:

Now once again, please can explain your earlier assertion that my analogy was a poor one? Failing that will you please withdraw it?

Kyu

[McQ]

With all due respect, my answer is my answer. I just ain't playing by your rules, been there, done that. Please get over it. Declare victory if it makes you feel
any better, or if you have some psychological need for 'closure'. I'm also trying to bring an obvious 'human element' to counter your.. well, 'sterile' tone.

No ... unless you are prepared to state that you are ignoring the basic rules of debate, explain your assertion or withdraw it I will not get over it.

You are the interloper here.

Kyu

Kyu, when I last looked, karakara was a member in good standing here just as much as you are. He is not an interloper. Although this is an atheist forum, all people are welcome as members. Additionally, whether or not you agree with me or not on my assertion that sometimes you just have to agree to disagree, that's the truth. Sometimes you do. If you want to ignore that advice, you are free to as you are not breaking any forum rules of course, but the adage of "win the battle and lose the war" comes to mind here. You gain nothing by your current course of action, but stand to gain credibility by taking a higher road and allowing another individual his opinion.