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Makes me want to steal one...

Started by EvolutionCalling, July 08, 2008, 02:06:45 AM

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EvolutionCalling

How dare he take the metaphorical body of a fictional man!  What an ass!   :hail:

QuoteORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A University of Central Florida student, upset religious groups hold church services on public campuses, is holding hostage the Eucharist, an object so sacred to Catholics they call it the Body of Christ.

Church officials say UCF Student Senator Webster Cook was disruptive and disrespectful when he attended Mass held on campus Sunday June 29. It was during that Mass where Cook admits he obtained the Eucharist.

The Eucharist is a small bread wafer blessed by a priest. According to Catholics, the wafer becomes the Body of Christ once blessed and is to be consumed immediately after a minister passes it out to churchgoers.

Cook claims he planned to consume it, but first wanted to show it to a fellow student senator he brought to Mass who was curious about the Catholic faith.

"When I received the Eucharist, my intention was to bring it back to my seat to show him," Cook said. "I took about three steps from the woman distributing the Eucharist and someone grabbed the inside of my elbow and blocked the path in front of me. At that point I put it in my mouth so they'd leave me alone and I went back to my seat and I removed it from my mouth."

A church leader was watching, confronted Cook and tried to recover the sacred bread. Cook said she crossed the line and that's why he brought it home with him.

"She came up behind me, grabbed my wrist with her right hand, with her left hand grabbed my fingers and was trying to pry them open to get the Eucharist out of my hand," Cook said, adding she wouldn't immediately take her hands off him despite several requests.

Diocese of Orlando spokeswoman Carol Brinati said she was not aware of anyone touching Cook. She released a statement Thursday: "... a Catholic Campus Ministry student representative filed a complaint with the Student Union regarding the behavior of the two young men. A Student Government Representative called Catholic Campus Ministry to apologize for this disruption."

Cook filed an official abuse complaint with UCF's student conduct court regarding the alleged physical force. Following that complaint, Brinati said church members filed their own official complaints of disruptive conduct. Punishment for either offense could result in suspension or expulsion.

"The church feels that I'm the problem here," Cook said. "The problem is actually that this is a publicly-funded religious institution. Through student government here, we fund them through an activity and service, so they're receiving student money."

Cook is upset more than $40,000 in student fees have been allocated to support religious organizations on campus for the 2008-2009 school year, according to student government records. He denied he is holding the Eucharist hostage to protest that support.

Regardless of the reason, the Diocese says its main concern is to get the Eucharist back so it can be taken care of properly and with respect. Cook has been keeping the Eucharist stored in a plastic bag since last Sunday.

"It is hurtful," said Father Migeul Gonzalez with the Diocese. "Imagine if they kidnapped somebody and you make a plea for that individual to please return that loved one to the family."

Gonzalez said the Diocese is willing to meet with Cook and help him understand the importance of the Eucharist in hopes of him returning it. The Diocese is dispatching a nun to UCF's campus to oversee the next mass, protect the Eucharist and in hopes Cook will return it.

Cook said he'd consider returning the Eucharist if he gets an apology and a meeting with the Bishop's office to discuss the Diocese's policy on physical force.

Gonzalez said intentionally abusing the Eucharist is classified as a mortal sin in the Catholic church, the most severe possible. If it's not returned, the community of faith will have to ask for forgiveness.

"We have to make acts of reparation," Gonzalez said. "The whole community is going to turn to prayer. We'll ask the Lord for pardon, forgiveness, peace, not only for the whole community affected by it, but also for [Cook], we offer prayers for him as well."

tornado

Quote"It is hurtful," said Father Migeul Gonzalez with the Diocese. "Imagine if they kidnapped somebody and you make a plea for that individual to please return that loved one to the family."

So... a wafer is part of his family?

EvolutionCalling


Whitney

lol...wow...I didn't know catholics took jesus bread that seriously.

EvolutionCalling

#4
And just so we're clear: I will beat your ass if you touch my Triscuits.

Whitney

So, if we somehow managed to get a hold of...say...175lbs of blessed wafers....would that mean we have a whole Jesus?

EvolutionCalling

Ummmm, Jebus was pretty skinny, so we wouldn't even need that much.  Maybe a buck-20's worth.

EvolutionCalling

Oh, and it only works once they've been blessed anyway.  So that either means spending more time in church than I care to think about, or we trade a little boy to a priest for the goods.

EvolutionCalling

Wow, we can get a 1000 count box-o-jesus for $14.  It costs less to buy salvation than I thought it would.

curiosityandthecat

Quote from: "EvolutionCalling"And just so we're clear: I will be your ass if you touch my Triscuits.

I really hope you meant "beat."   ;)
-Curio

EvolutionCalling

Damn.  It's amazing what two little letters can do to you  :blush:

susangail

This is ridiculous! It's a wafer!

Don't those things dissolve easily? I heard you stick them in your mouth and they dissolve on your tongue, and you don't even chew. Is this the little wafer that could or something? I don't see how it could last that long...

Quote from: "curiosityandthecat"
Quote from: "EvolutionCalling"And just so we're clear: I will be your ass if you touch my Triscuits.

I really hope you meant "beat."   ;)
Hahaha!
When life gives you lemons, make orange juice and let the world wonder how you did it.

EvolutionCalling

Quote from: "susangail"This is ridiculous! It's a wafer!

Don't those things dissolve easily? I heard you stick them in your mouth and they dissolve on your tongue, and you don't even chew. Is this the little wafer that could or something? I don't see how it could last that long...

Jesus: Melts in your mouth, not in your hand.

Here is THEIR side of the story:

QuoteLast week Cook attended a campus mass. At that mass, he attempted skulk back to his pew with a consecrated host. The extraordinary minister saw what he was doing and blocked his path until he put into his mouth. However, when he got back to his pew he removed the host. A lady from the Church saw what he done and attempted to get the host back from him by trying to pry his hand open. Cook now claims he is a victim.

    [WFTV] "She came up behind me, grabbed my wrist with her right hand, with her left hand grabbed my fingers and was trying to pry them open to get the Eucharist out of my hand," Cook said, adding she wouldn't immediately take her hands off him despite several requests.
    ...
    "The church feels that I'm the problem here," Cook said. "The problem is actually that this is a publicly-funded religious institution. Through student government here, we fund them through an activity and service, so they're receiving student money."

So now this smug jerk is holding the Eucharist he stole hostage until he gets an apology.

    Cook said he'd consider returning the Eucharist if he gets an apology and a meeting with the Bishop's office to discuss the Diocese's policy on physical force.

I am trying very hard to respond to this reprehensible situation as Christ would have us. I admit I am finding it very difficult. Father Miguel Gonzales is doing better.

    "It is hurtful," said Father Migeul Gonzalez with the Diocese. "Imagine if they kidnapped somebody and you make a plea for that individual to please return that loved one to the family."

    Gonzalez said the Diocese is willing to meet with Cook and help him understand the importance of the Eucharist in hopes of him returning it. The Diocese is dispatching a nun to UCF's campus to oversee the next mass, protect the Eucharist and in hopes Cook will return it...

    "We have to make acts of reparation," Gonzalez said. "The whole community is going to turn to prayer. We'll ask the Lord for pardon, forgiveness, peace, not only for the whole community affected by it, but also for [Cook], we offer prayers for him as well."

I think prayers are a good idea. However, if prayers don't work, a good drubbing might a reasonable alternative.

susangail

Quote from: "EvolutionCalling"Jesus: Melts in your mouth, not in your hand.
Quote"...someone grabbed the inside of my elbow and blocked the path in front of me. At that point I put it in my mouth so they'd leave me alone and I went back to my seat and I removed it from my mouth."
That's what confused me...


QuoteI think prayers are a good idea. However, if prayers don't work, a good drubbing might a reasonable alternative.
Oh what a loving Catholic!
When life gives you lemons, make orange juice and let the world wonder how you did it.

myleviathan

Wow - I didn't think the Catholic church was that hardcore about the wafer. I always knew it was important, but to view it as a kidnapping... that's just plain rediculous.
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