[LegendarySandwich]

What's sad is that my mom believes that the Noah's Ark story is a literal historical event, and that remnants of it are being hidden on a mountain in Afghanistan or something. Maybe, just maybe, I can convince her otherwise with some of the facts used in this thread, though I honestly doubt it.

[TheJackel]

We will just simply ignore the fact that there isn't actually enough water on Earth to actually makes noah's Ark story even possible :pop:

LegendarySandwich,

I don't think your mother comprehends the sheer volume of water that is required to do that would exceed the limits of the sheer volume of water that actually exists on this planet by more than 3 times, or even perhaps 4 or more. It's entirely nonsensical. :cool:

[TheJackel]

Amazing isn't it?

Of course, the Torah and science mesh perfectly, even when the following was written:
Lev. 13-19: " 'These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture,
14 the red kite, any kind of black kite,
15 any kind of raven,
16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk,
17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl,
18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey,
19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat..

Everyone knows the bat is a bird of prey... :hail:

[Thumpalumpacus]

We will just simply ignore the fact that there isn't actually enough water on Earth to actually makes noah's Ark story even possible :pop:

LegendarySandwich,

I don't think your mother comprehends the sheer volume of water that is required to do that would exceed the limits of the sheer volume of water that actually exists on this planet by more than 3 times, or even perhaps 4 or more. It's entirely nonsensical. :cool:

Given the fact that water vapor releases latent heat when it recondenses, I wonder how Noah's family avoid dying of heat-sickness as well.

[Ba'al]

Another good question to ask the believers.. How could a man from bronze age Palestine transport animals from all over the world ?? which means of transportation did he use to go to the North Pole to get polar bears, or to Australia to get the kangaroos, or to China to get the pandas, or to South America to get the llamas????

[Davin]

Another good question to ask the believers.. How could a man from bronze age Palestine transport animals from all over the world ?? which means of transportation did he use to go to the North Pole to get polar bears, or to Australia to get the kangaroos, or to China to get the pandas, or to South America to get the llamas????

Also, how did he put them all back when his boat was stuck on a mountain?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Where did he keep the saltwater fish?

[TheJackel]

How did the food chain work on the boat What did the lions, tigers, and Bears OH MY! Eat? :O. Technically that food chain would self collapse :_

[Achronos]

Myth or fact, whatever it is you choose to believe the story is fascinating. Everything has been saved from a wreck. Noah's Ark carrying all the freight of the world's life also carried the weight of its sin. The ship sank but God is rescuing everything; man and beast and all other created things. The world is full of such analogies, if only we had eyes to see and ears to hear, hands to feel and nostrils to scent and tongues to taste. Our problem is not that we perceive and thus desire too much, but rather that we envision and thus proclaim too little. We are pathetically blinkered, selfishly purblind. Our finite and fallen imaginations cannot behold the surplus of light that pervades the entirety of created being. If things deceive us, it is by being more than they seem. Only human beings can know this splendid and blessed truth, and thus is a great burden and a great privilege uniquely ours.

[Tank]

Myth or fact, whatever it is you choose to believe the story is fascinating.Everything has been saved from a wreck. Noah's Ark carrying all the freight of the world's life also carried the weight of its sin. The ship sank but God is rescuing everything; man and beast and all other created things. The world is full of such analogies, if only we had eyes to see and ears to hear, hands to feel and nostrils to scent and tongues to taste. Our problem is not that we perceive and thus desire too much, but rather that we envision and thus proclaim too little. We are pathetically blinkered, selfishly purblind. Our finite and fallen imaginations cannot behold the surplus of light that pervades the entirety of created being. If things deceive us, it is by being more than they seem. Only human beings can know this splendid and blessed truth, and thus is a great burden and a great privilege uniquely ours.

I just edited out my initial reply to this because it would undoubtedly have got me banned for being uncivil. Words are not enough to describe my contempt for the drivel you have just written here.

[Achronos]

That's what makes it great; all salvation lies in an if, but it's not an if that depends simply on us. God provides the grace by which we avoid the one thing that is forbidden. Everything is ours for the having, but only with the reminder that they are not ours but God's. We have been given them to enjoy, not to worship. When we make idols of life's good things, they are inevitably taken from us. The cosmos itself thus hangs like a crystal that God could drop, so that everything would go to smash, if indeed we ignore the doctrine of conditional joy. Robinson Crusoe is the truest of stories because it reminds us that human existence hangs on the way in which God has enabled us to pass the test: all things have had this hair-breadth escape, everything saved from a wreck.

The real question must be why the narrative of this universal flood was included into the Bible. To relate regeneration? To underline the undeniable fact that life comes from water? To remind humanity that the result of sin is death? To teach that God's promises are true and that His wrath is destructive? I also wonder if the other narratives talk of the covenant before God and His chosen servant and make associations between offerings and the general notion of sacrifice.

[Achronos]

Might be of interest to some, like those wondering about penguins (universal climate before the Flood)

Noah and the Ark Part1:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part2:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 3:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 4:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313


After the Flood Part1:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 2:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 3:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 4:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

[Whitney]

I also wonder if the other narratives talk of the covenant before God and His chosen servant and make associations between offerings and the general notion of sacrifice.

Yes, like that one where he asks Abraham to sacrifice his son instead of the traditional lamb offering.

Btw, what is offensive about belief in the flood story is not for most the intended lesson of the story (though an all knowing god brutally drowning almost all life on earth then feeling sorry about it not only brings into question the extent of god's knowledge of the future but also his capacity for empathy).  The main problem is that continued belief in a global flood despite evidence to the contrary (like other civilizations doing just fine during the same time period being a big one) promotes the mass ignorance that makes society retarded as a whole...as someone who values truth, real truth, I find it immoral to claim something is real just because it sounds like a nice story.  Not only is it immoral but we depend on accurate science in order to develop cures for various horrible diseases and to make our lives better in general...we can't practice good science when we can't teach it in school because some dumbass parent has their panties in a wad because their religion thinks they earth is young and evolution is fake.

So yeas, it does matter is someone takes the flood story as being litterally true or simply allegorical...once I was old enough to understand the flood story and understand the history of our earth I began to see it as allegorical and was still a christian at the time; I could have even stayed a christian taking most of the bible as allegory if it weren't for other major flaws in the faith and belief in itself.

[Sophus]

Might be of interest to some, like those wondering about penguins (universal climate before the Flood)

Noah and the Ark Part1:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part2:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 3:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 4:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313


After the Flood Part1:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 2:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 3:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Part 4:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 8506567313

Are you serious? Isn't that the guy who thought by opening a jar of peanut butter he disproved evolution?

[SomewhereInND]

Achronos, your videos made me chuckle.

Thanks for making my day.