Quote from: AnimatedDirt on February 24, 2012, 08:59:54 PM
Quote from: Davin on February 24, 2012, 08:57:13 PM
*you theists think that no one can test the lord even to ask for a special feeling. *you theists think that all gays should be kicked out of the United States. *you theists keep wanting to put atheists to death.
Certainly a lot do. I may not. Do you wish to ask me a specific question on the matter?
That was the point of my demonstration. You don't know how to respond to it any more than I do, and you're the one that keeps using it.
So:
What does it mean?
Why do you use in the middle of responses to someone, making it look like you're talking to them, when you've recently said that you are not?
What purpose does it serve in discussion?
You took offense to the *you when YOU shouldn't have. Simply state you don't consider yourself in the *you and move on. If there's a direct question about the *you, ask or I'll ask. It's simply a general position of experience on this forum. (on that thread)
But a *you simply means general people.
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on February 24, 2012, 09:09:50 PM
You took offense to the *you when YOU shouldn't have. Simply state you don't consider yourself in the *you and move on. If there's a direct question about the *you, ask or I'll ask. It's simply a general position of experience on this forum. (on that thread)
But a *you simply means general people.
I did not take offense at all, and I'd appreciate it of you'd not perpetuate that mistruth.
Please just answer the questions for clarification on your useages of the "*you" so that we can just clear it all up right now:
What does it mean?
Why do you use in the middle of responses to someone, making it look like you're talking to them, when you've recently said that you are not?
What purpose does it serve in discussion?
Quote from: Davin on February 24, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on February 24, 2012, 09:09:50 PM
You took offense to the *you when YOU shouldn't have. Simply state you don't consider yourself in the *you and move on. If there's a direct question about the *you, ask or I'll ask. It's simply a general position of experience on this forum. (on that thread)
But a *you simply means general people.
I did not take offense at all, and I'd appreciate it of you'd not perpetuate that mistruth.
Please just answer the questions for clarification on your useages of the "*you" so that we can just clear it all up right now:
What does it mean?
Why do you use in the middle of responses to someone, making it look like you're talking to them, when you've recently said that you are not?
What purpose does it serve in discussion?
See my previous post.
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on February 24, 2012, 09:15:01 PM
Quote from: Davin on February 24, 2012, 09:13:37 PM
What does it mean? [...]a *you simply means general people.
Why do you use in the middle of responses to someone, making it look like you're talking to them, when you've recently said that you are not?
What purpose does it serve in discussion?
See my previous post.
Will you please answer the other questions.
Quote from: Davin on February 24, 2012, 09:18:05 PM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on February 24, 2012, 09:15:01 PM
What does it mean? [...]a *you simply means general people.
Why do you use in the middle of responses to someone, making it look like you're talking to them, when you've recently said that you are not?
What purpose does it serve in discussion?
See my previous post.
Will you please answer the other questions.[/quote]
Are we going to start this over again? I already answered the question. See my post above.
Considering the context in which this question was asked, I suspect that the topic might be considered controversial, especially since it seems nearly designed to continue the argument that the two of you were having in another thread.
Quote from: statichaos on February 24, 2012, 09:21:17 PMConsidering the context in which this question was asked, I suspect that the topic might be considered controversial, especially since it seems nearly designed to continue the argument that the two of you were having in another thread.
I just wanted to know is all, I'm not looking for an argument. But if people are getting upset, then I don't care enough to push for an answer.
Quote from: Davin on February 24, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: statichaos on February 24, 2012, 09:21:17 PMConsidering the context in which this question was asked, I suspect that the topic might be considered controversial, especially since it seems nearly designed to continue the argument that the two of you were having in another thread.
I just wanted to know is all, I'm not looking for an argument. But if people are getting upset, then I don't care enough to push for an answer.
I'm not upset, and I believe that your question is a valid one. I'm just thinking that it doesn't really qualify as "laid-back", all things considered.
Quote from: statichaos on February 24, 2012, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: Davin on February 24, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: statichaos on February 24, 2012, 09:21:17 PMConsidering the context in which this question was asked, I suspect that the topic might be considered controversial, especially since it seems nearly designed to continue the argument that the two of you were having in another thread.
I just wanted to know is all, I'm not looking for an argument. But if people are getting upset, then I don't care enough to push for an answer.
I'm not upset, and I believe that your question is a valid one. I'm just thinking that it doesn't really qualify as "laid-back", all things considered.
I see your point. I should also correct my usage of "upset" to also include "irritated by, deathly bored of or just sick of my responses".
Quote from: statichaos on February 24, 2012, 09:24:26 PM
Quote from: Davin on February 24, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: statichaos on February 24, 2012, 09:21:17 PMConsidering the context in which this question was asked, I suspect that the topic might be considered controversial, especially since it seems nearly designed to continue the argument that the two of you were having in another thread.
I just wanted to know is all, I'm not looking for an argument. But if people are getting upset, then I don't care enough to push for an answer.
I'm not upset, and I believe that your question is a valid one. I'm just thinking that it doesn't really qualify as "laid-back", all things considered.
I don't know why, but that made me laugh.
Damn another thread descending into getting a coherent answer out of AD. He did state right at the end of the copy "*you simply means general people", I thought that was answering the question well enough.
Quote from: Crow on February 25, 2012, 12:57:41 AM
Damn another thread descending into getting a coherent answer out of AD. He did state right at the end of the copy "*you simply means general people", I thought that was answering the question well enough.
Yeah, I think when he explained it meant general people, that was clear enough. I try to watch the word 'you' in my own speech though, because when I'm talking to a group of people, I don't want someone to take something personally if I mean it generally to involve people rather than that one person... and if I DO want to speak to one person, I don't necessarily want them to think I mean everyone, either. Mostly though, I don't want anyone thinking I mean them, but not me too.
For example, "I think you have to be careful not to be a jerk while talking to others" could cause an entire group of people to say 'yeah, all of us should take care not to be jerks online', but someone may say 'huh?? I wasn't a jerk!'... and someone else may say 'worry about yourself being a jerk, don't tell ME what to do!' when I didn't intend that at all... then the fight starts. :P
So, if I'm talking to one specific person, I generally quote them or use their name, so they know it's just them. If it's a group of general people I'd like to make a suggestion to, I always try to include myself in it by saying 'we'. And if talking about people generally, I try to say 'people should take care not to...' rather than 'you have to'. Sometimes I fail at that effort of being inclusive of myself, but try not to -- so if anyone sees me using 'you' this and that around here, tell me to knock it off, please. :P
Maybe we should address people more by their user names to avoid confusion?
To Davin. What is your purpose in starting this thread? I can certainly see no point to it, other than trying to start an argument.
I don't see the need to create entire threads for that purpose. If you have some clear reason, please explain, so it doesn't appear that you're just picking a fight.
Thank you.
After reading this, I think I might use "you" too often. I also use it to mean 'general people', not really aimed at a specific someone in particular.
Quote from: Amicale on February 25, 2012, 04:07:01 AM
Yeah, I think when he explained it meant general people, that was clear enough. I try to watch the word 'you' in my own speech though, because when I'm talking to a group of people, I don't want someone to take something personally if I mean it generally to involve people rather than that one person... and if I DO want to speak to one person, I don't necessarily want them to think I mean everyone, either. Mostly though, I don't want anyone thinking I mean them, but not me too.
For example, "I think you have to be careful not to be a jerk while talking to others" could cause an entire group of people to say 'yeah, all of us should take care not to be jerks online', but someone may say 'huh?? I wasn't a jerk!'... and someone else may say 'worry about yourself being a jerk, don't tell ME what to do!' when I didn't intend that at all... then the fight starts. :P
That's one way of doing it I suppose.
Using the plural of you, yooz and the singular ya is another way. ;)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 26, 2012, 04:23:08 AM
After reading this, I think I might use "you" too often. I also use it to mean 'general people', not really aimed at a specific someone in particular.
Using the general "you" leaves more room for the general me to answer from a personal perspective. :D
Quote from: McQ on February 25, 2012, 05:33:41 AMTo Davin. What is your purpose in starting this thread? I can certainly see no point to it, other than trying to start an argument.
I don't see the need to create entire threads for that purpose. If you have some clear reason, please explain, so it doesn't appear that you're just picking a fight.
Thank you.
The purpose for the thread was to get the three questions in my OP answered, I don't see how that was not very clear. I had no intention of picking a fight or starting an argument (as I had already stated), it's just that a response from AD contained almost every sentence with these odd things and I wanted to know what purpose they have because it was not very clear.
You're welcome.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on February 26, 2012, 04:23:08 AM
After reading this, I think I might use "you" too often. I also use it to mean 'general people', not really aimed at a specific someone in particular.
I use "you" a lot too in the generic sense and frankly I assume that's how others are using it unless the context is obviously personal.
*you seems as good a way as any to notate that you mean "general you" instead of "specific you". Or we could use gyou and syou. :D
When referring to general "you" I use the word "one".
Quote from: Davin on February 27, 2012, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: McQ on February 25, 2012, 05:33:41 AMTo Davin. What is your purpose in starting this thread? I can certainly see no point to it, other than trying to start an argument.
I don't see the need to create entire threads for that purpose. If you have some clear reason, please explain, so it doesn't appear that you're just picking a fight.
Thank you.
The purpose for the thread was to get the three questions in my OP answered, I don't see how that was not very clear. I had no intention of picking a fight or starting an argument (as I had already stated), it's just that a response from AD contained almost every sentence with these odd things and I wanted to know what purpose they have because it was not very clear.
You're welcome.
I still don't see the purpose in doing this and am cautioning you against starting threads for the purpose of picking fights, picking nits, or to simply start an argument, which it stills seems to me is the main purpose behind what you've done here.
If you were unclear on something that was posted, ask for clarification
in that thread, or post a PM to the person you are questioning.
Don't start an entire, needless thread.
Quote from: Truthseeker on February 27, 2012, 07:31:13 PM
When referring to general "you" I use the word "one".
Plainly and simply correct, Truthfinder!
Not sure why an entire thread was required to expose this little nugget of wisdom...
Quote from: Ali on February 27, 2012, 06:00:01 PM
*you seems as good a way as any to notate that you mean "general you" instead of "specific you". Or we could use gyou and syou. :D
Billy T James always said "Yous fellas"
Quote from: McQ on February 27, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: Davin on February 27, 2012, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: McQ on February 25, 2012, 05:33:41 AMTo Davin. What is your purpose in starting this thread? I can certainly see no point to it, other than trying to start an argument.
I don't see the need to create entire threads for that purpose. If you have some clear reason, please explain, so it doesn't appear that you're just picking a fight.
Thank you.
The purpose for the thread was to get the three questions in my OP answered, I don't see how that was not very clear. I had no intention of picking a fight or starting an argument (as I had already stated), it's just that a response from AD contained almost every sentence with these odd things and I wanted to know what purpose they have because it was not very clear.
You're welcome.
I still don't see the purpose in doing this and am cautioning you against starting threads for the purpose of picking fights, picking nits, or to simply start an argument, which it stills seems to me is the main purpose behind what you've done here.
I don't see how it's my fault you can't see the very basic and open purpose of getting my three questions answered. You seem to imagining more into the purpose that what I had intended, how do I correct your baseless assumptions?
Quote from: McQIf you were unclear on something that was posted, ask for clarification in that thread, or post a PM to the person you are questioning.
I tried to do so, but AnimatedDirt was not answering and it was taking that thread off topic. Are you suggesting that I take threads off topic?
Quote from: McQDon't start an entire, needless thread.
How do I determine if a thread is needed? Do you have any kind of criteria for me to follow to determine such? Are you the arbiter of what makes a thread needless?
I'm asking these questions, because I will follow the protocol that you lay out here, so long as it makes sense. So far what you're saying doesn't make any sense, unless you're requiring me to PM you my thread topics and OPs so that you can determine if they are needed or not, which sounds very unreasonable. And also sounds like a very subjective criteria: I don't think that what music one is listening to is needed, but you didn't tell them not to start an entire, needless thread.
Actually, a thread on how someone uses a specific word may be helpful to a bunch of different people: people whose first language isn't English, people with aspergers/other disorders that cause one to see sentences in a VERY literal way... those, at least, come to mind. Maybe it was just specifically the calling out of AD publically that was the issue, not the 'let's talk about how some people use this word'? ??? Just guessing.
Quote from: Amicale on February 28, 2012, 03:27:19 PMActually, a thread on how someone uses a specific word may be helpful to a bunch of different people: people whose first language isn't English, people with aspergers/other disorders that cause one to see sentences in a VERY literal way... those, at least, come to mind. Maybe it was just specifically the calling out of AD publically that was the issue, not the 'let's talk about how some people use this word'? ??? Just guessing.
Aye, I have aspergers, which is why I ask for clarification of usages, especially uncommon things. I already replied to statichaos that I could see a similar point to what you make here and I also reclarified that I was only asking for clarification. It was only directed at AnimatedDirt because he was the only one I had seen using it, but now I can see that other people can easily assume that I was calling him out instead of my intended purpose of asking him for clarification (and having that be provided to more than just me), of the usage without continuing to derail a topic.
Quote from: Davin on February 28, 2012, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: McQ on February 27, 2012, 11:24:32 PM
Quote from: Davin on February 27, 2012, 02:46:40 PM
Quote from: McQ on February 25, 2012, 05:33:41 AMTo Davin. What is your purpose in starting this thread? I can certainly see no point to it, other than trying to start an argument.
I don't see the need to create entire threads for that purpose. If you have some clear reason, please explain, so it doesn't appear that you're just picking a fight.
Thank you.
The purpose for the thread was to get the three questions in my OP answered, I don't see how that was not very clear. I had no intention of picking a fight or starting an argument (as I had already stated), it's just that a response from AD contained almost every sentence with these odd things and I wanted to know what purpose they have because it was not very clear.
You're welcome.
I still don't see the purpose in doing this and am cautioning you against starting threads for the purpose of picking fights, picking nits, or to simply start an argument, which it stills seems to me is the main purpose behind what you've done here.
I don't see how it's my fault you can't see the very basic and open purpose of getting my three questions answered. You seem to imagining more into the purpose that what I had intended, how do I correct your baseless assumptions?
Quote from: McQIf you were unclear on something that was posted, ask for clarification in that thread, or post a PM to the person you are questioning.
I tried to do so, but AnimatedDirt was not answering and it was taking that thread off topic. Are you suggesting that I take threads off topic?
Quote from: McQDon't start an entire, needless thread.
How do I determine if a thread is needed? Do you have any kind of criteria for me to follow to determine such? Are you the arbiter of what makes a thread needless?
I'm asking these questions, because I will follow the protocol that you lay out here, so long as it makes sense. So far what you're saying doesn't make any sense, unless you're requiring me to PM you my thread topics and OPs so that you can determine if they are needed or not, which sounds very unreasonable. And also sounds like a very subjective criteria: I don't think that what music one is listening to is needed, but you didn't tell them not to start an entire, needless thread.
Davin, I've already explained this in the quotes above. It now seems that you simply want to cause a problem here by arguing with me about this thread. I said you should have sent AD a PM on this rather than start a whole thread, calling him out on something as nit picky as his use of the word "you", which no one else seems to have a problem with.
This is as far as I'm going to explain it to you. And yes, the other moderators and admins and I are the ones who make decisions of what is and isn't useful on the forum. If you don't like it, then take it up with me or another moderator via PM, but do not continue this.
Forgive my language, but with all due respect: enough with the pissing contest already!
Next time just PM any questions about word usage to the person so it doesn't seem like they are being called out for it. Threads that single out something nit picky like someone's use of a word tend to head south quickly even if that wasn't the intention and if someone isn't answering questions a whole new thread isn't going to make them suddenly decide they need to as they either intend to ignore the question anyway or think they have already answered it (even if no one else accepts the answer)...which what I think McQ was referring to when he first asked how this thread had a purpose past just starting an argument.
I'm going to lock this thread for a cool down.