Sometimes this is bothering me...
Do you believe in ghosts, spirits, or ET?
Well from myself, what I believe most is the existence of ET, because there are a lot of evidence proofing it. About spirits or ghosts, there are a lot of spiritual "practice" (I don't know any other suitable word), such as pesugihan (my language) which works like a voodoo but it's for attract someone or luck to come to those who use it. But, the user have to sacrifice something like their family (they don't want this) which most of the case the whole family and the user died one by one (well, I haven't checked this for sure).
How about you?
Ghosts? No evidence. Spirits? No evidence. Extraterrestrial life? It's likely, but we still don't have any scientific evidence. Intelligent extraterrestrial life that's visited earth? No evidence.
What Will said +1
I'd have no problems spending the night in a haunted house if given the opportunity. Although it wouldn't make any effort to find an opportunity.
Life outside of earth is most likely, but I have no belief either way.
personally, I do not believe in the existence of spirits/ghosts, since I do not believe there is a soul. As far as aliens go, I believe there is a big chance that they are out there (after all the number of planets out there is unimaginable). I just dont think they will be like anything close that those they show on tv/movies.
What Maria said.
Extraterrestrials would not be supernatural; ghosts and suchlike would be and therefore do not exist.
The only partial evidence for ET is that life evolved on Earth so it would make sense to assume that it could evolve elsewhere given the right conditions; and since the universe is quite big there are a lot of elsewheres for that to happen....but we don't actually have any evidence of ET. Sketchy videos that almost always are proven to be hoaxes and rednecks claiming to be anally probed is not evidence.
There is also no proof of Ghosts. Since they would be supernatural I wouldn't even place them in the same category as ET.
I'm going to echo what basically everybody said. Spirits of any form? No, there's no evidence that there is and no reason to believe that there is. As for ETs, I do believe that unintelligent lifeforms are common throughout the universe, whereas intelligent ones like us are less likely. There's no reason to believe that we've been visited by aliens, though.
Mind you, if aliens ever do drop in for tea, it'll be interesting to find out how they got here. But however they do it, I refuse to believe that it will be supernatural.
Thought - maybe those neutrinos will provide a method.
Quote from: LukevanVeith on September 25, 2011, 08:16:23 AM
Do you believe in ghosts,
Not without evidence, which is to say I assume they do not exist until proven otherwise
Quotespirits,
Alcohol-variety, yes. For the rest, look above.
Quoteor ET?
I assume there is life beyond Earth until proven otherwise or until some discovery makes the opposite assumption a safer one.
Mind if all of you take a challenge about ghost and spirits? Like stay in a so-called haunted house?
Quote from: LukevanVeith on September 25, 2011, 08:16:23 AM
Sometimes this is bothering me...
Do you believe in ghosts, spirits, or ET?
Well from myself, what I believe most is the existence of ET, because there are a lot of evidence proofing it. About spirits or ghosts, there are a lot of spiritual "practice" (I don't know any other suitable word), such as pesugihan (my language) which works like a voodoo but it's for attract someone or luck to come to those who use it. But, the user have to sacrifice something like their family (they don't want this) which most of the case the whole family and the user died one by one (well, I haven't checked this for sure).
How about you?
No, no and maybe but we'll probably never see one. Mind explaining what your evidence is for all these things?
Quote from: LukevanVeith on October 08, 2011, 03:07:27 AM
Mind if all of you take a challenge about ghost and spirits? Like stay in a so-called haunted house?
I live in one already ;D Just kidding ;)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 08, 2011, 03:55:46 AM
Quote from: LukevanVeith on October 08, 2011, 03:07:27 AM
Mind if all of you take a challenge about ghost and spirits? Like stay in a so-called haunted house?
I live in one already ;D Just kidding ;)
I've been told that cats can see spirits, and that's what they're looking at when they stare into space for no apparent reason. Based on that, my apt. is either loaded with spirits or invisible mice.
I don't believe in ghosts. I wouldn't have a problem spending the night in a supposed haunted house. I don't believe in spirits. Extraterrestrial... I'm sure there's life out there somewhere. Weather or not there is intelligent life, as much as I'd like to think so I'm skeptical.
Spirits and ghosts I really can't say anything on, there have been tens of thousands of accounts but not a single one of them draw any proof other than "weird, freaky stuff happened". So until someone catches a video of a ghost materializing in front of them I'm afraid I'll be doubting.
As for extraterrestrial life, I think it's extremely ignorant for anyone to say that it is not possible. Of all the billions and billions of planets in the vast expanse of space, it's a bit absurd to think not a single one of them had the correct setup to form life and did. Whether they are any farther along than us in terms of technology is really up in the air, and whether they are anything more than your average lion/tiger/bear type of life is also debatable.
Personally, I'm seriously hoping for another race out there to show up, 100% peaceful, just to see the reactions from all the theists when their theories of "God made the universe for me" get turned upside down.
Quote from: KingPhilip on October 08, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
Spirits and ghosts I really can't say anything on, there have been tens of thousands of accounts but not a single one of them draw any proof other than "weird, freaky stuff happened". So until someone catches a video of a ghost materializing in front of them I'm afraid I'll be doubting.
As for extraterrestrial life, I think it's extremely ignorant for anyone to say that it is not possible. Of all the billions and billions of planets in the vast expanse of space, it's a bit absurd to think not a single one of them had the correct setup to form life and did. Whether they are any farther along than us in terms of technology is really up in the air, and whether they are anything more than your average lion/tiger/bear type of life is also debatable.
Personally, I'm seriously hoping for another race out there to show up, 100% peaceful, just to see the reactions from all the theists when their theories of "God made the universe for me" get turned upside down.
I agree about the likelihood of life existing elsewhere.
I read a series of books called 'Rama' by Arthur C Clarke, who postulated that there are millions of 'advanced' cultures springing up - and then snuffing out - all over the universe. The sad aspect of this story was that they were so far apart in time and space that it was exteremely unlikely that any two would actually have opportunity to meet in the same time and space. They all killed themselves or otherwise perished before breaking out of their own solar systems.
I am inclined to accept Clarkes postulation - it's slightly depressing, but reasonable.
Quote from: Scissorlegs on October 08, 2011, 08:40:51 AM
I agree about the likelihood of life existing elsewhere.
I read a series of books called 'Rama' by Arthur C Clarke, who postulated that there are millions of 'advanced' cultures springing up - and then snuffing out - all over the universe. The sad aspect of this story was that they were so far apart in time and space that it was exteremely unlikely that any two would actually have opportunity to meet in the same time and space. They all killed themselves or otherwise perished before breaking out of their own solar systems.
I am inclined to accept Clarkes postulation - it's slightly depressing, but reasonable.
That's a good point, the majority of humanity's progress was done in a few thousand years, that's the blink of an eye in the universe. We will most likely wind up killing ourselves out soon enough, maybe another thousand years or so at most I give it. It is a terribly depressing thought, that so many civilizations have lived and died that we could probably never even imagine. I'd never really considered it before.
Quote from: KingPhilip on October 08, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
Personally, I'm seriously hoping for another race out there to show up, 100% peaceful, just to see the reactions from all the theists when their theories of "God made the universe for me" get turned upside down.
It's quite funny actually. On a Catholic forum that I belong to, they were debating the likelihood that aliens coming to earth would be Catholic or not.
In the end they were saying no as they wouldn't be offspring of Adam and Eve. OMG!
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 08, 2011, 03:14:21 AM
Quote from: LukevanVeith on September 25, 2011, 08:16:23 AM
Sometimes this is bothering me...
Do you believe in ghosts, spirits, or ET?
Well from myself, what I believe most is the existence of ET, because there are a lot of evidence proofing it. About spirits or ghosts, there are a lot of spiritual "practice" (I don't know any other suitable word), such as pesugihan (my language) which works like a voodoo but it's for attract someone or luck to come to those who use it. But, the user have to sacrifice something like their family (they don't want this) which most of the case the whole family and the user died one by one (well, I haven't checked this for sure).
How about you?
No, no and maybe but we'll probably never see one. Mind explaining what your evidence is for all these things?
Umm, well, I never seen one in my own eyes and I don't have any strong evidence yet... But in my country, there are a lot of people have been possessed (except me). This is a video about possessed people (not in my country I guess, but it is the most appropriate video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teveEK2XIQo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teveEK2XIQo)
But for me, it is beyond logic.
Also there is a daughter from a family that transform into a stingray because she is seditious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA5uDod0wFM&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA5uDod0wFM&feature=related)
In my opinion, it is very weird to think because there are a lot of seditious people.
Quote from: KingPhilip on October 08, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
So until someone catches a video of a ghost materializing in front of them I'm afraid I'll be doubting.
Same as here.
There is a site which is providing a lot of sightings: http://primbon.com/foto_hantu.htm (http://primbon.com/foto_hantu.htm)
Derren Brown has done much to assuage the falsities of the supernatural. He is a genius when it comes to the human mind, and a worthy and complementary bedfellow to Richard Dawkins. There're countless resources online demonstrating his rationalizing and debunking the supernatural. He also has a good line in demonstrating how easy it is to make people 'feel' god through mind tricks - just like the church employ.
He's my new favourite Atheist...
Quote from: Stevil on October 08, 2011, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: KingPhilip on October 08, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
Personally, I'm seriously hoping for another race out there to show up, 100% peaceful, just to see the reactions from all the theists when their theories of "God made the universe for me" get turned upside down.
It's quite funny actually. On a Catholic forum that I belong to, they were debating the likelihood that aliens coming to earth would be Catholic or not.
In the end they were saying no as they wouldn't be offspring of Adam and Eve. OMG!
Did you laugh or did you cry? ;D
Quote from: Scissorlegs on October 08, 2011, 03:04:24 PM
Derren Brown has done much to assuage the falsities of the supernatural. He is a genius when it comes to the human mind, and a worthy and complementary bedfellow to Richard Dawkins. There're countless resources online demonstrating his rationalizing and debunking the supernatural. He also has a good line in demonstrating how easy it is to make people 'feel' god through mind tricks - just like the church employ.
He's my new favourite Atheist...
Thank you for that image, I'm going to get some mind bleech now! >:(
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on October 08, 2011, 03:04:24 PM
Derren Brown has done much to assuage the falsities of the supernatural. He is a genius when it comes to the human mind, and a worthy and complementary bedfellow to Richard Dawkins. There're countless resources online demonstrating his rationalizing and debunking the supernatural. He also has a good line in demonstrating how easy it is to make people 'feel' god through mind tricks - just like the church employ.
He's my new favourite Atheist...
Thank you for that image, I'm going to get some mind bleech now! >:(
Oooooh, jealous!
Methinks ye doth protest too much...
Quote from: Scissorlegs on October 08, 2011, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on October 08, 2011, 03:04:24 PM
Derren Brown has done much to assuage the falsities of the supernatural. He is a genius when it comes to the human mind, and a worthy and complementary bedfellow to Richard Dawkins. There're countless resources online demonstrating his rationalizing and debunking the supernatural. He also has a good line in demonstrating how easy it is to make people 'feel' god through mind tricks - just like the church employ.
He's my new favourite Atheist...
Thank you for that image, I'm going to get some mind bleech now! >:(
Oooooh, jealous!
Methinks ye doth protest too much...
I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
Mind you with a wig it might not be that bad ;D
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Quote from: Stevil on October 08, 2011, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: KingPhilip on October 08, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
Personally, I'm seriously hoping for another race out there to show up, 100% peaceful, just to see the reactions from all the theists when their theories of "God made the universe for me" get turned upside down.
It's quite funny actually. On a Catholic forum that I belong to, they were debating the likelihood that aliens coming to earth would be Catholic or not.
In the end they were saying no as they wouldn't be offspring of Adam and Eve. OMG!
This is the reason I don't bother with Christian forums. How do you even respond to that?
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on October 08, 2011, 05:43:28 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on October 08, 2011, 03:04:24 PM
Derren Brown has done much to assuage the falsities of the supernatural. He is a genius when it comes to the human mind, and a worthy and complementary bedfellow to Richard Dawkins. There're countless resources online demonstrating his rationalizing and debunking the supernatural. He also has a good line in demonstrating how easy it is to make people 'feel' god through mind tricks - just like the church employ.
He's my new favourite Atheist...
Thank you for that image, I'm going to get some mind bleech now! >:(
Oooooh, jealous!
Methinks ye doth protest too much...
I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
Mind you with a wig it might not be that bad ;D
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.icanhascheezburger.com%2Fcompletestore%2F2008%2F10%2F6%2F128677918460759115.jpg&hash=e76be06d5a13747cc0e324e49c27e381b054db1c)
Dammit Tank. You just ruined the Harry Potter movies for me now. I'll now see a preteen Dawkins in a wig instead of Hermione.
Quote from: Ihateyoumike on October 08, 2011, 07:10:48 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
Mind you with a wig it might not be that bad ;D
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.icanhascheezburger.com%2Fcompletestore%2F2008%2F10%2F6%2F128677918460759115.jpg&hash=e76be06d5a13747cc0e324e49c27e381b054db1c)
Dammit Tank. You just ruined the Harry Potter movies for me now. I'll now see a preteen Dawkins in a wig instead of Hermione.
;D
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 05:51:37 PM
I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
Mind you with a wig it might not be that bad ;D
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.icanhascheezburger.com%2Fcompletestore%2F2008%2F10%2F6%2F128677918460759115.jpg&hash=e76be06d5a13747cc0e324e49c27e381b054db1c)
Here's the un-doctored image:
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Gotta love Photoshop!
I dunno, I can still kinda see it. :P
Quote from: LukevanVeith on September 25, 2011, 08:16:23 AM
Well from myself, what I believe most is the existence of ET, because there are a lot of evidence proofing it.
Well there isn't any evidence for the existence of extra terrestrial life. There is evidence for unidentified flying objects but that doesn't mean there is evidence for aliens, to think they are one and the same is like solving the equation 0x2 and arriving at the answer 2.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 08, 2011, 04:34:24 AM
I've been told that cats can see spirits, and that's what they're looking at when they stare into space for no apparent reason. Based on that, my apt. is either loaded with spirits or invisible mice.
Cat? Maybe. Aye ayes almost certainly ;D
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(Douglas Adam's, who wrote
The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy said that it looked as if they could see into another dimension, with those...eyes. I think he was onto something ;D)
My dad claims to have seen ghosts, and I've 'seen' ghosts. Do I honestly believe they were the spirits of dead people randomly appearing to me? Of course not. Any sane person should equate seeing ghosts to hearing someone say something when they were silent.
Quote from: MinnesotaMike on October 09, 2011, 10:04:42 PM
My dad claims to have seen ghosts, and I've 'seen' ghosts. Do I honestly believe they were the spirits of dead people randomly appearing to me? Of course not. Any sane person should equate seeing ghosts to hearing someone say something when they were silent.
This. I've seen "ghosts" twice and the first experience was enough to convince they aren't real -- a "have to see it to disbelieve it" sort of thing. It's just too silly.
I've seen ghosts, or what one would think to be ghosts, as well. I think just the fact that everyone has seen or experienced some sort of "ghostly" encounter or situation serves to show how un-ghostly they really are. We certainly aren't swimming in spirits, so if everyone has these experiences, it would seem it's more a common way of explaining something that we don't fully know how to explain seeing or hearing. Something all humans do or think of when we think we see something that creeps us out or seems weird.
Just my thoughts.
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Wait, does anyone else think of "The Golden Rule" by The Lonely Island when looking at this pic? I mean, I'm not saying... but I'm just saying...