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I've started writing my thesis and would like to add a quote on memory to the first page. Please vote for up to two options, and if you know of any cool (but serious, no place for silly! :P) quotes please let me know. :)

Grazie!

The Gibson quote is cool.  8)

Quote from: jumbojak on October 08, 2019, 11:43:37 PM
The Gibson quote is cool.  8)

Yeah ;D

Though I like them all, it's difficult to choose!

I like the Cicero and Dewey.  I suspect you might find it hard to get a consensus here, these are all good quotes!

Quote from: Bluenose on October 09, 2019, 01:42:53 AM
I like the Cicero and Dewey.  I suspect you might find it hard to get a consensus here, these are all good quotes!

Yeah, I suspect that will be the case. ;D  I went through hundreds of quotes before choosing these 5.

I voted for the Gibson as well. Here is a good one by Aldous Huxley, my favourite author in my teens:


"Every man's memory is his private literature."
― Aldous Huxley

I like the Cicero and Dewey.

I also like this:- "The worst part of holding the memories is not the pain. It's the loneliness of it. Memories need to be shared."
― Lois Lowry, The Giver  :)

Quote from: Red_Cloud on October 09, 2019, 05:11:49 AM
I like the Cicero and Dewey.

I also like this:- "The worst part of holding the memories is not the pain. It's the loneliness of it. Memories need to be shared."
― Lois Lowry, The Giver  :)

^^^
I like that one.

I voted because I couldn't remember a better one.

I like the Gibson quote best. It resonates with more truth to me than the others.

Silver, check out Quotationspage.com   

what is your thesis about?

And Gibson takes the lead!  I'll be honest, I found the Lewis Carroll quote scary.

Quote from: hermes2015 on October 09, 2019, 04:10:33 AM
I voted for the Gibson as well. Here is a good one by Aldous Huxley, my favourite author in my teens:


"Every man's memory is his private literature."
― Aldous Huxley

That's an interesting one :smilenod:

Quote from: Red_Cloud on October 09, 2019, 05:11:49 AM
I like the Cicero and Dewey.

I also like this:- "The worst part of holding the memories is not the pain. It's the loneliness of it. Memories need to be shared."
― Lois Lowry, The Giver  :)

I like that one too.

You guys aren't making this any easier, throwing in all these good quotes and all!  ;D

Quote from: Tank on October 09, 2019, 07:29:51 AM
I voted because I couldn't remember a better one.

Heh! :grin:

Quote from: Dark Lightning on October 09, 2019, 12:13:31 PM
I like the Gibson quote best. It resonates with more truth to me than the others.

:thumbsup:

Dewey received one of my votes, and I would have given Gibson the other, but since we could also choose one of our own I wanted to add one I have always loved by Mr. Cohen.

"And I'll dance with you in Vienna,
I'll be wearing a river's disguise.
The hyacinth wild on my shoulder
my mouth on the dew of your thighs.
And I'll bury my soul in a scrapbook,
with the photographs there and the moss.
And I'll yield to the flood of your beauty,
my cheap violin and my cross."

― Leonard Cohen, Stranger Music: Selected Poems and Songs

Quote from: Icarus on October 09, 2019, 09:57:46 PM
Silver, check out Quotationspage.com   

More quotes to sift through :grin:

Quote from: billy rubin on October 09, 2019, 11:36:30 PM
what is your thesis about?

Hello billy rubin, I don't think we've met yet.  :wave hi: Welcome to the forum!

My thesis is on memory (:grin:), specifically systems consolidation and loss of memory precision/memory generalisation that accompanies that process. My work focuses on the role of the hippocampus (mostly as a control, the role of the hippocampus in systems consolidation has been well described in the literature), entorhinal cortex ("relay station" between the hippocampus and neocortex) and posterior parietal cortex (neocortex). My aim is to see which area is being recruited to express a memory at certain time intervals.

'But what on Earth is the point of that?' I can almost hear you say. Well, systems consolidation is important to understand a little on what goes on in Alzheimer's disease, and both systems consolidation and memory generalisation are implicated in PTSD.

But I won't ramble on. :grin: As you can probably see I enjoy this subject very much and would drone on and on if I don't stop myself.  ;D

Quote from: Sandra Craft on October 10, 2019, 01:43:43 AM
And Gibson takes the lead!  I'll be honest, I found the Lewis Carroll quote scary.

Indeed!  ;D

I got that quote from a Netflix series, 'Explaining the Mind' I think. In episode one, on memory, they mention that memory not only stores past events in our minds but also informs future events. Such is the case that people with extreme anterograde amnesia, that is, who can't form new long-lasting memories, also have trouble planning for the future. They're basically stuck in the present moment.   

Like the Gibson quote it has the element of time, which has everything to do with my methodology.  ;D

Quote from: Papasito Bruno on October 10, 2019, 03:28:45 AM
Dewey received one of my votes, and I would have given Gibson the other, but since we could also choose one of our own I wanted to add one I have always loved by Mr. Cohen.

"And I'll dance with you in Vienna,
I'll be wearing a river's disguise.
The hyacinth wild on my shoulder
my mouth on the dew of your thighs.
And I'll bury my soul in a scrapbook,
with the photographs there and the moss.
And I'll yield to the flood of your beauty,
my cheap violin and my cross."

― Leonard Cohen, Stranger Music: Selected Poems and Songs

Who knew Leonard Cohen was such a poet. :tellmemore:

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 10, 2019, 03:53:57 AM


Who know Leonard Cohen was such a poet. :tellmemore:

Canadians and USAians.

Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on October 10, 2019, 04:30:14 AM

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 10, 2019, 03:53:57 AM


Who know Leonard Cohen was such a poet. :tellmemore:

Canadians and USAians.

Ok, that's quite a lot of people! :lol:

:blush:

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 10, 2019, 03:45:31 AM

Quote from: billy rubin on October 09, 2019, 11:36:30 PM
what is your thesis about?

Hello billy rubin, I don't think we've met yet.  :wave hi: Welcome to the forum!

My thesis is on memory (:grin:), specifically systems consolidation and loss of memory precision/memory generalisation that accompanies that process. My work focuses on the role of the hippocampus (mostly as a control, the role of the hippocampus in systems consolidation has been well described in the literature), entorhinal cortex ("relay station" between the hippocampus and neocortex) and posterior parietal cortex (neocortex). My aim is to see which area is being recruited to express a memory at certain time intervals.

'But what on Earth is the point of that?' I can almost hear you say. Well, systems consolidation is important to understand a little on what goes on in Alzheimer's disease, and both systems consolidation and memory generalisation are implicated in PTSD.

But I won't ramble on. :grin: As you can probably see I enjoy this subject very much and would drone on and on if I don't stop myself.  ;D

lol

i dont know jack about neurophysiology.

but i have heard that exercise increases consolidation because it results in tissue growth in the hippocampus. is this a function of protein synthesis?

where is memory located?

Quote from: billy rubin on October 10, 2019, 10:27:09 AM

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 10, 2019, 03:45:31 AM

Quote from: billy rubin on October 09, 2019, 11:36:30 PM
what is your thesis about?

Hello billy rubin, I don't think we've met yet.  :wave hi: Welcome to the forum!

My thesis is on memory (:grin:), specifically systems consolidation and loss of memory precision/memory generalisation that accompanies that process. My work focuses on the role of the hippocampus (mostly as a control, the role of the hippocampus in systems consolidation has been well described in the literature), entorhinal cortex ("relay station" between the hippocampus and neocortex) and posterior parietal cortex (neocortex). My aim is to see which area is being recruited to express a memory at certain time intervals.

'But what on Earth is the point of that?' I can almost hear you say. Well, systems consolidation is important to understand a little on what goes on in Alzheimer's disease, and both systems consolidation and memory generalisation are implicated in PTSD.

But I won't ramble on. :grin: As you can probably see I enjoy this subject very much and would drone on and on if I don't stop myself.  ;D

lol

i dont know jack about neurophysiology.

but i have heard that exercise increases consolidation because it results in tissue growth in the hippocampus. is this a function of protein synthesis?

where is memory located?

Heh, me neither, but I love learning about neurophysiology!

Weeeell, whether neurogenesis occurs in humans is more or less still a matter of debate. The differentiation, maturation and migration of new nerve cells have been seen and described in rodent models but apparently not in primates. Last time I checked, it has never been seen in humans, not even ex vivo. But I not completely up to date on the topic so I won't say for sure. Sometimes I believe it does occur but other times, I don't. :lol:

But yeah, in rodents exercise, especially if chronic, does increase neurogenesis and neuronal plasticity, which is a function of protein synthesis, especially neurotrophic factors.

Where is memory located. That is the question of the century. :P Most likely many regions participate in memory but which are the dominant regions will depend on the type of memory on qualities of that memory, such as how old the memory is, how emotionally charged that memory is, etc. The hippocampus plays a key role in forming new declarative and spatial memories, but it does not "store" older semantic memories (some say it works as more like an indexer than a repository for older semantic memories). Procedural memories, such as knowing how to ride a bike, depend a lot more on the striatum and cerebellum. Working memory (very short-term memory) does not leave a physical trace but we know it's an executive function, dependant on the prefrontal cortex. And so on.

obviously memory has different meanings. working memory is a new category for me.

maze memory would be different from semantic, obviously. thats what youre calliing procedural, or spatial? what about muscle memory, like pole vaulting or shooting a gun?

so if youre not doing neurophysiology, what is your focus? anatomy? psychology and behaviour? medicine?

where are you going with your life?

not trying to pry. its just that people make me curious.

Quote from: billy rubin on October 10, 2019, 10:38:43 PM
obviously memory has different meanings. working memory is a new category for me.

maze memory would be different from semantic, obviously. thats what youre calliing procedural, or spatial? what about muscle memory, like pole vaulting or shooting a gun?

so if youre not doing neurophysiology, what is your focus? anatomy? psychology and behaviour? medicine?

where are you going with your life?

not trying to pry. its just that people make me curious.

Working memory would be analogous to a computer's RAM, but like all analogies, it's a limited comparison.

No, maze memory would be spatial memory and semantic is one type of explicit memory whereas procedural memory is implicit. Muscle memory would be procedural. Riding a bike, driving a car, pole vaulting and shooting a gun are largely procedural.

One of the most famous cases in the neuroscience of memory is that of Patient H.M. He was in his early twenties when he underwent surgery to have both sides of his hippocampus removed, due to debilitating seizures. After the surgery, he no longer suffered from epilepsy, but he couldn't form new declarative memories, though older memories were still intact. He also learnt how to draw a star while looking at his drawing in a mirror  -- a difficult task that involves procedural memory --  though he didn't remember ever having practiced. It's an interesting case. Though Patient H.M. (Henry Molaison) is no longer alive, the neuroscientist Brenda Milner who studied him still is (she's 101 now). She even wrote a book on the case, one I intend to buy. :chin: If you're into that stuff check it out.

I work mainly with neuropharmacology, though my research project involves neurobiology, anatomy and behaviour as well.

Where I'm going with my life is a good question. ::) Science in Brazil (where I live) is being systematically assassinated, so I don't have a clue, really. I just really like research.

What about the misty colored ones?

Quote from: No one on October 11, 2019, 02:13:33 PM
What about the misty colored ones?

I'm not sure I know what you mean...misty coloured what? :notsure:

Do you mean forgetting?

thats interesting.

if memory is a record of past events that made zome sort of electrochemical imprezzion in my brain, what iz going on when i remember things wrong?

how do wrong memories get produced?

im azsuming dreams get stored as if they were real. i mean things like how i remember putting my half inch socket wrench back in the drawer, but there it is on tbe bench instead.

Quote from: billy rubin on October 11, 2019, 05:00:48 PM
thats interesting.

if memory is a record of past events that made zome sort of electrochemical imprezzion in my brain, what iz going on when i remember things wrong?

how do wrong memories get produced?

im azsuming dreams get stored as if they were real. i mean things like how i remember putting my half inch socket wrench back in the drawer, but there it is on tbe bench instead.

Why iz you writing like that?  :???:

Anyway...

Consolidated memories are not static. They lose contextual details, some can be reconsolidated and change, they can be interfered with to create false memories. It depends on the memory.

Reconsolidated memories are memories that incorporate new information. They are updated. For some memories, just recalling an event is enough to make that memory labile and susceptible to change. There are some situations called 'boundary conditions' that do not facilitate the memory becoming labile though, such as the age and strength of a memory.

When contextually-rich memories undergo systems consolidation, there is a shift from dependence on the hippocampus to being mostly dependent on the neocortex for their retrieval. Connections between neurons in the neocortex are sparser than in the hippocampus, and so there is a higher level of integration within the hippocampus when compared to the neocortex. When memories "migrate" (I use the term very loosely) from the hippocampus to the neocortex they lose contextual precision.

What happens then? Well, in stress disorders such as PTSD, neutral events, objects, etc. can trigger a traumatic memory. It's not that it's become a false memory, but has lost contextual precision. It's not that sufferers have forgotten the circumstances of the event -- loss of memory precision is not forgetting -- but the associations which trigger the pathological traumatic memory have become a bit of a mess.

It's relatively easy to produce false memory. Just look at all those problematic court cases in which eyewitnesses were led to believe an innocent person was the perpetrator of a crime. Or in the case of suggestible people constructing entire memories in their heads of life events that never happened, during hypnosis sessions. Time alone can tinker with memories as well, as in the case of loss of memory precision.

Don't trust your memory. ;)

As for dreams, I assume that is the case, but I'm not sure. What I do know is that we dream during REM sleep and if you compare the brain waves of someone in that sleep phase and someone who's wide awake, they are virtually the same. It may be simplistic of me to say, but I assume dreams, if remembered, are consolidation in much the same way.

fascinating.

dont mind the typos. iwhen i type on a full- size keyboard i do better, but on a telephone im pushing buttons 6mm across with fingers that measure closer to 15mm.

combine that with image text sized at 3 points and you have a recipe for error that exceeds my abilities.

spelling is pretty fluid anyway. not so long ago in english text was generated according to local phonetics, and spelling wasnt fixed. look at the different spellings for british names up to the 16th century, for example.

Quote from: billy rubin on October 12, 2019, 12:21:38 AM
fascinating.

dont mind the typos. iwhen i type on a full- size keyboard i do better, but on a telephone im pushing buttons 6mm across with fingers that measure closer to 15mm.

combine that with image text sized at 3 points and you have a recipe for error that exceeds my abilities.

spelling is pretty fluid anyway. not so long ago in english text was generated according to local phonetics, and spelling wasnt fixed. look at the different spellings for british names up to the 16th century, for example.

Ok ;) I hate typing on the phone precisely for that reason. That and the autocorrect elf living inside my phone who trolls me every opportunity he has. ::)

:P

Yeah! I read about that a few days ago. 'Shakespeare' comes in many varieties.  ;D It's very odd spelling one's name in different ways when considering today's ways.

Collective memory becomes common history. Individual memory becomes a reference.

-God

Ok that had no swing to it

Quote from: God on October 12, 2019, 03:25:34 AM
Collective memory becomes common history. Individual memory becomes a reference.

-God

Ok that had no swing to it

That's good, God :smilenod:

Well, Gibson's quote it is! :notes:

Thanks, all.  :boaterhat: