Started by Promethium147, December 23, 2007, 02:07:01 AM
Quote from: "MommaSquid"Morality is subjective. Ethics are situationally subjective. Very few things in life are black and white. Most of us live in the gray...
Quote from: "Chris Johnston"MommaSquid, I couldn't possibly disagree with you more. Religious based morality, or irreligious hedonism are subjective. But the mind-based ethics that Promethium exposed is based in objective reality. It is the only kind that does not rely on the whim of the god or the spoiled child. It relies on the mind and on reality.
Quote from: "donkeyhoty"You cannot divorce ethics and morality. Morality is simply the what, and ethics is the how and why.If, in whatever belief system you follow, it is morally "right" to kill the other, it is through ethics that this action is shown to be "right".By proclaiming that atheists cannot be moral you are allowing theists to lay claim to a word that belongs to everyone. When theists say, "atheists can't be moral" they mean that atheists can't be moral based upon their worldview. If you say we cannot not be moral, then you are agreeing with the theists that their beliefs hold the one and only truth.simplified example: When you say, "It is wrong to do X, but right to do Y" that is morality. When you ask, "Why is it wrong to do X and not Y?" that is ethics.
Quote from: "Chris Johnston"jcm,You have done an injustice to morality and to christians. The only christians I have ever known who felt justified in mistreating an animal were twisted, sick individual who were nominal christians. Many do not pay close attention to where their food comes from, but kick their dog or cat and watch them.If you wish to broaden the "mistreatment" category to the point that requires a rabbi to actually kill our food, then you have another issue entirely.One of the big surprises of the 21st century is the way that evangelical christians are joining environmental activists. This is because their god has told them not only that they have dominion over the earth, but that they are stewards of the same.
QuoteMany do not pay close attention to where their food comes from, but kick their dog or cat and watch them.
Quote from: "Promethium147"The Law requiring me to be 18 to choose in my state is even more arbitrary than Morality - somebody just made it up, a false vision of sudden, instantaneous transition to adulthood where none exists. It was nothing more than an attempt at simplification (and assemblage of a GroupThink) - and the result is absurd.