Unimaginable limits of space are God

[anil]

Unimaginable limits of space are God

 Let me even say that the unimaginable limits of space are God.  The scientist agrees the existence of these unimaginable limits of space and therefore the scientists is agreeing to the existence of God. Even the common man is experiencing the existence of these unimaginable limits of space by seeing the space with his naked eyes.  The scientists see the space through the telescope and arrive at the same conclusion. The human intelligence cannot cross the four-dimensional space-time model at any cost on any day.   The beginning and the end of the space (limits of boundary) are always untouchable and unimaginable for the intelligence of even top most scientists.

If he crosses the limits of this space, certainly he can touch (Know) God who is beyond the space or exists in the limits of space. The unlimited space stands forever reminding the scientist regarding this eternal truth.  Thus, the Universe is visible to all human beings in all times exhibiting the unimaginable item through its unimaginable limits.  This Universe is a practical proof and the clear miracle of God available to all to declare this basic concept for every human being on this earth.  Nobody needs the demonstration of any miracle other than this to indicate the unimaginable God. The miracles are not available to all in all times.  Even if some miracle is demonstrated, people may conclude it as illusion or coincidence of events.  But in this demonstrated example of unimaginable limits of space, there is no such controversy.  Moreover, in this miracle there is no hope to disprove the unimaginable limits of space in future even according to the opinion of scientists.

There cannot be two or more than two unimaginable items.  Hence, the unimaginable limits of the Universe are showing only one unimaginable God directly to every human being.  Since, you do not perceive the limits of the Universe, you have not perceived God.  The existence of unperceivable limits establishes the unimaginable limits. The Universe is exhibiting its unperceivable and unimaginable limits. This means that you have not seen these limits.  Hence, you have not seen the unimaginable limits, which are God.

 But the existence of unimaginable and unperceivable limits is exhibited.  This means that the unperceivable and unimaginable God exists and His existence is clearly exhibited. This Universe itself exhibits the existence of such God.  From this, the conclusion is that you have understood  only the existence of unperceivable and unimaginable God but this does not mean that you have seen or imagined God.  Veda says “Asteetyeva Upalabdhavyah” which means that you can know only the existence of the unknowable God. Veda says that God is unperceivable and unimaginable (Na Chakshusha…, Yasyaamatam…..).  Gita also confirms that God is unimaginable (Mamtuveda Nakaschana…).
 

[McQ]

Wait a minute. Aren't you supposed to be asking us to help you get money out of the country or something? You know, we send you $4000 and you'll give us $10 million, or some stuff like that? I don't know. Maybe that's not fair. I haven't heard of any Indian lottery scams yet.

[brainshmain]

Unimaginable limits of space are God
 The scientist agrees the existence of these unimaginable limits of space and therefore the scientists is agreeing to the existence of God.

The scientist?  The official scientist who represents all scientists?  I guess it's pointless to spend any time refuting for undeniably accurate facts if THE scientist agrees with you.  

[Dnatseih Werdna]

WTF?

[SteveS]

The scientist agrees the existence of these unimaginable limits of space and therefore the scientists is agreeing to the existence of God.

Holy Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown!  You're right!  Where has this argument been my whole life?!?!?  Arrrrrrrgh!  I've led a trite and meaningless existence, not even realizing that we all agree to the existence of god without even knowing it!!!!  Please, god, take me back!!!  I'm so sorry!!!!


(Hopefully, the theist will agree to the existence of sarcasm)

There cannot be two or more than two unimaginable items.

Proof to follow?

Veda says "Asteetyeva Upalabdhavyah" which means that you can know only the existence of the unknowable God.

SteveS says "Malebovine Bowelmovement" which means "bullshit".

[Whitney]

Let me get this straight, the argument is basically saying "We don't have a fucking clue about what might be beyond what we can curently test therefore it is beyond our imagination and also beyond the scope of future testing therefore god exists because he is also impossible to imagine and is imagined to be beyond what is knowable."

Um, ya, that makes perfect sense.

[anil]

Unimaginable limits of space are God
 The scientist agrees the existence of these unimaginable limits of space and therefore the scientists is agreeing to the existence of God.

The scientist?  The official scientist who represents all scientists?  I guess it's pointless to spend any time refuting for undeniably accurate facts if THE scientist agrees with you.  

Dear brainshmain;

Science is the logical analysis of the items existing in this creation based on only one authority that is perception (Pratyaksha Pramanam). Even in the ancient logic, all the authorities (Pramanas) are based on perception only. You see the fire giving smoke. This is deduction or perception. When you see the smoke coming from a distance and do not see the fire, you say that fire exists there and this is induction or inference (Anumana Pramanam). But this induction is based on your previous deduction only. Somebody says to you that fire gives smoke. If that person is your dearest, you believe it and infer the fire from the smoke. This is authority of word ‘Shabdha Pramanam’.

Though you have not seen the fire, your dearest person has seen the smoke coming from fire. Like this all the authorities are based on perception only. I do not find any scripture of any Religion, which contradicts the experience of perception. There are four ways of authority. 1) Sruthi, which is the original scripture. 2) Smrithi, which is the commentaries of Scholars on the original scripture. 3) Yukthi, the logical analysis based on deduction, induction etc., 4) Anubhava, the experience based on the perception of the items in this world, which may be direct or indirect. Out of these four ways, the fourth way is the most powerful. If anything contradicts the fourth way, that is not valid or it may be a misinterpretation based on misunderstanding of the Sruthi or Smrithi or Yukthi. Thus Science and Philosophy are not separate. The very frame of the spiritual knowledge is Science only. Thus Science is the basic foundation and over all underlying structure of all the Scriptures.

A true Scientist should always stand on the perception and should not deny the experience derived by perception. If he denies, he is not a scientist. All top most scientists were philosophers and spiritual people only. Those scientists have travelled along the river of Science and reached its end, which is the ocean of spiritual knowledge called as philosophy. Philosophy is pervading all the branches of Science. Every branch of Science gives Ph.D as the final degree. Ph.D means Doctor in Philosophy. If Science and Philosophy are different, why this word Philosophy is regarded so much by all the branches of Science? Philosophy means the essence of the knowledge of every branch that is experienced when one reaches the end of that branch.

Therefore, the spiritual knowledge, which is the ocean is the Philosophy in which all branches of Science and all the Religions merge and loose their identity. A scientist who has not reached the end of Science and who is still travelling in the river only denies the existence of the ocean, since he is still perceiving the limiting boundaries of his knowledge â€" river. Such river-travellers are called as atheists. They neither see the ocean nor see the other rivers. Even the follower of any particular Religion is in the state of this atheist only. He is no better than these atheists because he believes that God is a particular form only, which is a small part of this creation. Some other followers believe God as formless, who is the all-pervading cosmic energy. Since cosmic energy is also a part of the creation, their form of God is very big. These atheist-scientist believe that this creation is God. Thus all these are atheists only. All these atheists, who may be scientific atheists or religious atheists, will realize the true nature of God only when they reach the end of the Science or Religion.

A scientific atheist is contradicting his own authority, which is the perception. When the human incarnation performs the inexplicable miracles, how can they deny the perception of such miracles? You may do that miracle in an alternative way, but that does not contradict the different path of the original miracle. One may get first class by copying. Such false first class cannot contradict the genuine first class. The result is same, but the process is different. You may produce ash by putting a fine powder of wet salt in the grews of your hand like a magician. The same ash may be produced by a divine miracle also. Since the result is same, can you argue that the process also should be same? Since the first class result is same in the case of the original student and a fraud student, do you mean that the hard work of the original student is fraud?

Do you mean that the original and fraud students are one and the same? Therefore, the same result can have two different processes. Since the result is same, processes need not be same. Do you mean that a result has only one process? Is it not contradicting the very fundamentals of Science? A Chemical compound can be produced in several ways (Hess Law). Since the compound is same, do you mean that the alternative reactions are also one and the same? Same Chennai city can be reached by several ways.

 Since the end City is same, do you mean that all the paths are not different? Do you mean that all the paths are merged as one path only and thus there is only one path to reach the Chennai city? Therefore, conservative scientists and conservative religious followers can be categorized as immature analysts. The immaturity indicates their position in the river and maturity indicates their position in the end of the river, which is the ocean. Einstein, Newton, Heisenberg etc., are the top most scientists who have travelled and travelled along the Science River and reached the final spiritual ocean.

[anil]

Let me get this straight, the argument is basically saying "We don't have a fucking clue about what might be beyond what we can curently test therefore it is beyond our imagination and also beyond the scope of future testing therefore god exists because he is also impossible to imagine and is imagined to be beyond what is knowable."

Um, ya, that makes perfect sense.

The unimaginable God needs the imaginable human form as a medium for expressing Himself to His devotees.  In the case of human incarnation of God also, you have only understood the existence of the unimaginable God and you have not imagined the nature of God as in the case of the limits of the Universe.   You have only seen that the limits of space are beyond the sight and this does not mean that you have seen the limits of space. In all these examples, Maya (Unimaginable item) exists in the imaginable items to give a proof for its existence just like the unperceivable electricity exists in the perceivable metallic wire to give experience of its existence. The wire with electricity can be treated as the electricity itself and there is no other way than this to perceive the electricity. The electricity has to be treated as the wire containing electricity. But every wire is not electricity.  

Therefore, the unimaginable Maya has to be treated as the imaginable world, which shows the unimaginable limits. This does not mean that every imaginable item in the world with definite limits is Maya.  Therefore, this world can be treated as Maya (Mayamtu Prakrutim….Gita). Here the word Prakruti stands for the world with unimaginable limits and it does not stand for any imaginable item in the world with definite limits.  Similarly, the person charged by God (human incarnation) can be treated as God but not every person. The world with unimaginable limits and human incarnation with unimaginable miracles can be treated as God (Viswam Vishnuh.., Vasudevah Sarvamiti…..) and this does not mean that the world or the human body of human incarnation itself is God (Avyaktam Vyaktimapannam…Gita).

[donkeyhoty]

If God is unimaginable then how do we know of him/her/it?