determinism

[epepke]

Since the universe isn't deterministic, or at minimum cannot be both deterministic and realistic, there doesn't seem much point in worrying about it.

[Tank]

Since the universe isn't deterministic, or at minimum cannot be both deterministic and realistic, there doesn't seem much point in worrying about it.

What 'it' would that be? Bear with me here I have had little practical use for philosophical debate so I could be asking a fundamental question of great import, or not, and I wouldn't know either way  

[epepke]

Since the universe isn't deterministic, or at minimum cannot be both deterministic and realistic, there doesn't seem much point in worrying about it.

What 'it' would that be? Bear with me here I have had little practical use for philosophical debate so I could be asking a fundamental question of great import, or not, and I wouldn't know either way  

"It" would, in this case, be hard determinism, or even determinism.  Though you could construct a partitioned equivalence class of all the things that support the concept of free will, which is one that I have always considered incoherent anyway.  It's much like "god."  A lot of people will say that it's there, but I've never heard an ontology.

Basically we've known for about a century now that the universe has to have genuinely random, acausal stuff in it (which affects everything), or it is irreal, or both.