Atheists, come on, really, stop and think for a minute..

[bowmore]

The entire Universe cannot be explored by any mortal man. That is a guaranteed fact of life. Even the greatest minds throughout history; such as Albert Einstein, Lord Kelvin William Thompson and Isaac Newton could not figure out what "Mysterious Force" moves our Constellation. So in reality, what makes an atheist so positive that it is not God? How can you know for 100% fact that is it not God?

Not all atheists claim to know with 100% certainty there is no god. They just don't believe in any god.
Your argument only targets strong atheism. And instead of arguing for theism it argues for agnosticism, because it cuts both ways.

Atheism is nothing more than a guess, at best.

No, see, that's where the lack of proof for any god comes in.
The absence of proof for any god, makes it an educated guess, and renders theism into wishful thinking.

Thanks for your time,
Psalm 23.

Invoice will follow  

[Whitney]

Psalm23,

This forum is not for preaching but you are welcome to debate your views.  A lot of counterpoints have been offered which you should be addressing rather than going off on tangents.  Also, you need to familiarize yourself with definitions related to the word atheist because it is very apparent that you don't know what most of us mean when we say we are atheists.

For Theists, What is an atheist:  viewtopic.php?f=2&t=830

Theists:  Guidelines for a smooth discussion:  viewtopic.php?f=2&t=92

[Sophus]

You're promoting agnosticism, not theism.

Apparently you haven't given it much thought, or you wouldn't be an atheist.

The only we have both given it an equal donation of thought is if yours was in search for justifying your beliefs. Where as ours is open minded. By the way I don't believe what I do because I'm an atheist. I'm an atheist because of my beliefs. But somehow I receive the feeling you have allowed one conviction to change them all for you.

I find it absurd how a small minority of the human race can say, "God does not exist" without having the 100% facts about the Universe.

Really? You don't think that those with higher intellect would be less copious than the mediocre? Remember, in an insane world the sane man would be insane.

I can't help but to think that maybe atheists are just disgruntled former believers?

Yes, let's pretend to know what has induced behavior and beliefs in every individual pertaining to a certain group. That's not a barrage of prejudice and ignorance at all.

[maestroanth]

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[maestroanth]

Apparently you haven't given it much thought, or you wouldn't be an atheist. I find it absurd how a small minority of the human race can say, "God does not exist" without having the 100% facts about the Universe. I can't help but to think that maybe atheists are just disgruntled former believers?

Why aren't you agnostic? You seem to make agnostic arguments. Why is it that a strong atheist or antitheist is wrong for having an absolute nonbelief in god, but a theist is right for having an absolute belief in god, given that they have access to the same incomplete data?

I totally agree in this.

[maestroanth]

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[Whitney]

I'm confused, why was I quoted.  Allah sucks just as much as Christianity IMO.

I'm just agnostic whaaa.....

My guess is that you were quoted because Psalm23 was just skimming relplies rather than reading them, saw a hint of agreement in your post, then wrongly assumed you were a Christian.

[maestroanth]

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[Kevin]

So in reality, what makes an atheist so positive that it is not God? How can you know for 100% fact that is it not God?

How can you know 100% fact that it is God? Same thing.

[SSY]

Christianity has had a bullseye on it's back since it's birth.

So....awesome.....Love......you!

[rlrose328]

we have
that's why we are atheists

Apparently you haven't given it much thought, or you wouldn't be an atheist. I find it absurd how a small minority of the human race can say, "God does not exist" without having the 100% facts about the Universe. I can't help but to think that maybe atheists are just disgruntled former believers?

Apparently you haven't given it much thought, or you wouldn't be a believer. I find it absurd how a small minority of the human race can say, "God DOES exist" without having the 100% facts about the Universe. I can't help but to think that maybe believers are just disgruntled former atheists?

See, I can play that game too.  And yes, American Christians are a small percentage of the human race when compared to the total of all other belief systems.  So why do you believe you alone are right and the rest of the world is wrong?  

[rlrose328]

This is my second visit in this forum, and from the replies on my O.P, I can see there are some disgruntled people in here that like spew childish names at religious people, especially Christians. Christianity has had a bullseye on it's back since it's birth.

Islamic believers can use airplanes as guided missiles and fly them into buildings, stone non-believers to death, hang people who disobey Allah, blow up cars and trucks, wage war on the world all in the name of Allah, and nothing is said about that, but Christians are reminded daily of the Crusades that took place 1,200 years ago, or child molesting Priests. but the second an Islamic believer detonates a car bomb in the name of Allah, you can hear a pin drop in the atheist crowd.

I wonder how many atheists screamed, "OH MY GOD" on the morning of 9-11-01?

Christianity has a bullseye on its back?  Only because your good book tells you so and you take every opportunity to tell everyone how wrong they are.

I refuse to play the "which religion is worse" game with you because in my mind, they are all equally horrible, manipulating, money-hungry entities.  I don't care when religious attrocities occurred... they are all equally immoral and wrong.

And I'm sure many atheists screamed "OH MY GOD" on the morning of 9/11 because it's a modern colloquialism that has no meaning whatsoever.  I scream it in bed as well... ecstacy or tragedy, it works both ways.

[Hitsumei]

Well, I'm not an atheist, but I will address this as well, and hope that you won't mind.

Hello Happy Atheists Forum,

I have something on my mind, and I want to share it with you.

I have run across thousands of skeptics and atheists on the internet that like to claim,
"God cannot be proven due to lack of evidence."

If you accept this point then as long as an atheist defines their position as simply non-theism, rather than a belief in the falseness of theism, their position is justified.

The entire Universe cannot be explored by any mortal man. That is a guaranteed fact of life. Even the greatest minds throughout history; such as Albert Einstein, Lord Kelvin William Thompson and Isaac Newton could not figure out what "Mysterious Force" moves our Constellation. So in reality, what makes an atheist so positive that it is not God? How can you know for 100% fact that is it not God?

One doesn't need to know something for 100% fact. Nothing is known for 100% fact. This same argument can be made about unicorns, fairies, leprechauns, or anything else. In order to stay consistent with this, you must refrain from denying the existence of anything that you cannot demonstrate with 100% certainty does not exist, and unless the thing in question is logically impossible, that cannot be done.

The entire universe cannot be explored. As a matter of fact.. mankind has not even scratched the surface of the Universe, so how can anyone say with sheer confidence that God does not exist?

For the reason that you offered already. They believe that the proposition lacks sufficient evidence to warrant credulity. This is how everyone operates in the world. Credulity is earned with evidence, and beliefs require justification if there is reason to question them. Surely you don't believe everything until it you have falsified it? An orthodox Christian worldview demands that one reject thousands of other gods, and all other purportedly supernatural, or miraculous phenomena. Saying "well I have to reject all of those in order to continue believing what I believe" is not a very good justification in my humble opinion.  

That is by far the most absurd argument ever displayed.

I wouldn't say the most absurd ever, but it was pretty bad.  

[Hitsumei]

I agree 100% with the point you are making here. I've wondered that myself. How can we use our universe's laws on "god" if "god" supposedly exists outside of our universe?

Well, the universe isn't a thing that stuff can be outside of. The universe is the compilation of all things known and supposed to exist throughout space. Location is itself spacial. The physical dimensions is what makes "location" possible. There literally are no locations outside of space -- there is no "outside" of space. It makes about as much sense as saying "north of the north pole".

If god exists, and is truly responsible for the physical universe, and is itself something different than material, then it does not occupy a point in space, nor does it exist "outside" of space. Its ontological status would not be describable with natural, material, physical descriptions. Also, I find it rather silly to think that if we look over the universe hard enough, we'd be sure to find god's beach house on some remote planet.  

I find it strange that Psalm23 seems to be saying that if we looked over the universe hard enough, we could actually, and physically locate god.  

[Ninteen45]

This is my second visit in this forum, and from the replies on my O.P, I can see there are some disgruntled people in here that like spew childish names at religious people, especially Christians. Christianity has had a bullseye on it's back since it's birth.

Christians put bullseyes on every other religion's. (Exuse grammar.)

Islamic believers can use airplanes as guided missiles and fly them into buildings, stone non-believers to death, hang people who disobey Allah, blow up cars and trucks, wage war on the world all in the name of Allah, and nothing is said about that, but Christians are reminded daily of the Crusades that took place 1,200 years ago, or child molesting Priests. but the second an Islamic believer detonates a car bomb in the name of Allah, you can hear a pin drop in the atheist crowd.

Um, we actually do complain, See Pat Condell. It's just fear of standing up to something and being called a bigot, racist, E.t.c.

I wonder how many atheists screamed, "OH MY GOD" on the morning of 9-11-01?

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