Departing the Vacuousness
Started by xSilverPhinx, January 27, 2020, 02:41:49 PM
Quote from: billy rubin on February 07, 2020, 05:49:35 PMnothing emerges from thiz scenario that cannot be predicted and explained from ordinary material procezzes.
Quote from: billy rubin on February 07, 2020, 05:49:35 PMif thats what "emergent propertiez" means, then i dont see anything with mind and consciousnezz that cannot be explained in a similar way.
Quote from: Davin on February 07, 2020, 07:56:27 PMI know it's explainable, that's why I chose such a basic example, so that it would match our level of discourse. If you want to have a higher level discussion, then I'm down for that too.
Quote from: billy rubin on February 06, 2020, 10:47:39 AMperhaps the useful point to continue is the material/immaterial queztion.i assert that mind is in fact material, being exactly the brain in motion, electrochemically.the working of the mind--consciouness-- can be observed with electronic instruments. when the physical signals cease, the mind is observed to cease as well. when they return, so doez the mind.memory is the foundation of consciousnezz. without memory the mind becomes mere reflexive responses to stimuli. memory is physical, and can be located physically in various portionz of the brain.because mind is consciouznezz worki g with memory, and consciousnesz and memory are material, the mind is material.
Quote from: billy rubin on January 28, 2020, 01:22:26 AMi made a double post, so here is a picture i took of the grand tetons instead
Quote from: billy rubin on February 07, 2020, 10:44:11 PMQuote from: Davin on February 07, 2020, 07:56:27 PMI know it's explainable, that's why I chose such a basic example, so that it would match our level of discourse. If you want to have a higher level discussion, then I'm down for that too.let's keep it basic, davin. i don't see anything complicated in it. there is nothing that you can call "mind" which cannot be explained in material terms. "fun" consists of biofeedback that results in stimulation of the pleasure centers in your brain.
Quote from: billy rubinthere is nothing that you can call "mind" which cannot be explained in material terms. "fun" consists of biofeedback that results in stimulation of the pleasure centers in your brain.
Quote from: billy rubinby the way, i'm going to make a suggestion for you to consider. your posting style is personally aggressive and makes you seem to be a socially challenged individual. maybe you are a socially challenged individual, or maybe you just don't have the self-awareness to see how you appear to other people.
Quote from: billy rubini'm here for civil conversation, and to learn things that i don't know. i'm not into enabling people with a compulsion to spread their bad attitude or petty malice. so if that's what you plan on continuing, this is my last response to you, ever.
Quote from: billy rubinmake a decision, davin, and we'll take it from there.
Quote from: billy rubin on February 10, 2020, 04:50:50 PMthat was your last strike, davin.
Quote from: billy rubin on February 09, 2020, 08:41:54 PM.i think the difference here is partly just terminology.when i use the term "material," i explicitly refer to electrochemical processes as included. the mind is the electric current that illuminates the light on your porch. material electrons in motion. when abzent, your light goes out.still thinking. im trying to decide whether the current that runs through the wires can be considered a separate component from the functioning circuit itself. im not sure it can.ive brought this up before and deleted it. but its appropriate. think of a river. a river is not a static object like a ball or a bat. if you remove the process, the events, as you say, from a river it is no longer a river. what we call a river requires active traction, flow, turbulence, erosion, deposition, meandering, floods, ebbs, and lots of other things that must be dynamic to exist. take them away and the river ceases to exist as a river. perhaps it haz become a cutoff meander, or an oxbow lake. whatever it is, excluding process haz made it into somethi g else.in cases like these, material is inseperable from immaterial in the nature of the subject.
Quote2a: the element or complex [. . .] of elements in an individual that feels, perceives, thinks, wills, and especially reasons [. . .]b: the conscious mental events and capabilities in an organismc: the organized conscious and unconscious adaptive mental activity of an organism
QuoteThe seat of awareness, thought, volition, feeling, and memory; cognitive and emotional phenomena and powers considered as constituting a presiding influence; the mental faculty of a human being (esp. as regarded as being separate from the physical); (occasionally) this whole system as constituting a person's character or individuality.
QuoteThe element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought.
Quote from: billy rubin on January 29, 2020, 10:17:17 PM. . . but if i decide that morality must be based on survival of a planetary ecosystem, rather than the continued survival of my own species, then the greatest moral act i could perform might be the extinction of the human race. after all, human beings are not good for a balanced, self-sustaining natural ecology. and so on.
Quote from: billy rubin on February 10, 2020, 08:25:45 PMgawd my worst nightmarea reply longer than the ones i write