Another Mass Shooting

[Tank]

       Sorry

[Tank]

I've finished reading all the forums now. 

[Asmodean]

I was trying to be subtle through the use of title and the location of the shooting being otherwise-peaceful Norway.

You see, my post was made when this thread was still hot, and "every time" there is a mass shooting in the US, there is a clash of pro- and anti-gun lobbies everywhere from the halls of power to the darkest back alleys.

Well, our gun laws did not help the victims of the shooting I mentioned. They did not prevent the perpetrator from not only obtaining weapons and ammunition, but also using them to lethal effect. They did not deter the perp and they did nothing to aid the victims.

Still, our pro-gun people are very careful about using this as a platform from which to proclaim that if only there was an armed civilian there, lives could have been saved. Equally, the anti-gun people are very careful about proclaiming that all guns need to be confiscated and destroyed immediately. Some of it is just people trying to avoid any heat - the cowards (Nah. Not really. Although, a little bit, maybe) some of it though is people realising that it's harder to deny a criminal (or a criminal-to-be) the tools of his trade than merely passing a law.

Law-abiding citizens obey the law - hence the definition. Criminals don't give a shit when it suits them - or when they think they can get away with it.

...So here it is. Whatever your preferred brand of social engineering - don't expect too much from it. All it takes to topple it (if for a time) is an occasional guy who just doesn't give a fuck.

[Tank]

Split it back if you like, I won't merge it again. 

[Asmodean]

Nah. Just discussed the issue in my previous post.

[billy rubin]

the islam thing seems to be mostly western europe

i am leaving out the vastly more murderous examples of muslims in muslim countries killing other muslims over religion and politics

here in the states mass murders . . . mostly . . . seem either racist or some white guy with a gun running amok.

amoks are exactly appropriate, imo. but nobody makes the parallel here

[Tank]

North Carolina: Suspect,15, in custody after Raleigh mass shooting

At least Alex Jones won't be denying.

[Asmodean]

At least Alex Jones won't be denying.

Who cares? Like, seriously. You know, there are nations where it is a crime to deny the Holocaust. Why? Does any-one honestly thinks that an opinion does not exist unless it is voiced openly, or that it's somehow less dangerous if silent?

It's all little more than a bunch of touchy-feely crap, if you ask me. We won't ever be "done" with conspiracy theories, Communism, Fascism, other tribe-related isms or... Any of it, really. People still fully embrace the Flat Earth hypotheses, after all. The best "we" can do, is argue against. Again and again. Sometimes, if "we" are lucky, the opposition will make a good argument, putting some strain on whatever orthodoxy "we" happen to subscribe to at the moment, potentially challenging and changing the standing truths.

But not the point I originally set out to make.

Apparently, there was a other shooting in St. Louis. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63375659

At least three people are dead, one of them being the shooter. What is it with people and suicide by mass murder? Whatever happened to just finding a very tall bridge over some very hard pavement?

[billy rubin]

theyre amoks.

[Tank]

Who cares? I do.

[billy rubin]

here it is

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_amok

when i was a kid in malaya and the philippines, amoks made the papers every month or two. the parallels between the sociological symptoms of amoks and american mass murderers are so clear to me that i wonder why nobody seems to make tbe connection.

[Tank]

Well I'll be darned. There's nothing new under the sun.

[Asmodean]

Nope. It's all made from the same ancient stardust.