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Started by AnimatedDirt, June 12, 2012, 09:44:22 PM

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Tank

When applied to human faces adjectives like Pretty and Beautiful etc. often indicate lateral symmetry which is indicative of an unmutated gene structure.
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"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
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En_Route

Quote from: Ali on July 16, 2012, 04:28:21 PM
I think it's interesting that Stevil concludes that we look for "pretty" because pretty = great sex.  Is that everyone else's experience, that pretty = great sex?  Maybe I'm not that visual, but give me "funny" and "eager to please" over pretty any day of the week.  ;D

I think men do rate physical attractiveness very highly. Too highly for their own good quite often. Pretty is rather an anaemic term; voluptuous  is perhaps more descriptive of what presses our hot button.
In determining what makes for great sex, I think in many respects it's a question of mind over matter. Imagination and generosity far out- rank athleticism or perfection of physique in the bedroom ( or preferably out of it).
Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them (Orwell).

Ali

As they say, we all look the same in the dark....

OldGit

Or as we Brits put it: 'You don't look at the mantlepiece when you poke the fire'.

Ali

Quote from: OldGit on July 16, 2012, 06:33:58 PM
Or as we Brits put it: 'You don't look at the mantlepiece when you poke the fire'.

LMAO.  That's awesome.  I guess the American equivalent is "Put a flag over his head and ride him for Freedom."  ;)

Tank

Quote from: Ali on July 16, 2012, 06:36:28 PM
Quote from: OldGit on July 16, 2012, 06:33:58 PM
Or as we Brits put it: 'You don't look at the mantlepiece when you poke the fire'.

LMAO.  That's awesome.  I guess the American equivalent is "Put a flag over his head and ride him for Freedom."  ;)

LMAO!!!
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Stevil

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on July 16, 2012, 02:15:12 PM
I don't know how true this is for women, tho it may be generally true for men.  When it comes to sex, women's priorities tend to be more complicated just because our end of reproduction tends to be more complicated and I think this holds true even if a woman is not consciously looking for a future father-of-my-kids, or even looking for a man.  I think evolution gears women to look more for protection and security rather than just pretty -- altho that's part of it too, esp. considering some regard good looks as a marker for good health.
Why is/was Brad Pitt considered sexy, or Antonio Banderas...

I don't buy it that women don't have aesthetic preferences in men.

Stevil

Quote from: En_Route on July 16, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
In determining what makes for great sex, I think in many respects it's a question of mind over matter. Imagination and generosity far out- rank athleticism or perfection of physique in the bedroom ( or preferably out of it).
When we don't know a person, we approach the good lookers.
We certainly don't know what they are like at sex until its too late.

I am only suggesting that we tend to go for beauty because we assume it leads to great sex.
I don't think we do it for advantageous offspring, when I picked my partner I certainly wasn't considering what my kids would look like.

DeterminedJuliet

Quote from: Stevil on July 16, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on July 16, 2012, 02:15:12 PM
I don't know how true this is for women, tho it may be generally true for men.  When it comes to sex, women's priorities tend to be more complicated just because our end of reproduction tends to be more complicated and I think this holds true even if a woman is not consciously looking for a future father-of-my-kids, or even looking for a man.  I think evolution gears women to look more for protection and security rather than just pretty -- altho that's part of it too, esp. considering some regard good looks as a marker for good health.
Why is/was Brad Pitt considered sexy, or Antonio Banderas...

I don't buy it that women don't have aesthetic preferences in men.

Me neither  :P Though, I'm not sure that's what anyone was saying.
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Stevil

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on July 16, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
Me neither  :P Though, I'm not sure that's what anyone was saying.
Calling someone sexy would imply that they would make for good sex?

Crow

Quote from: En_Route on July 16, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
In determining what makes for great sex, I think in many respects it's a question of mind over matter. Imagination and generosity far out- rank athleticism or perfection of physique in the bedroom ( or preferably out of it).

Depends on the type of sex, if you want a good fucking then athleticism and strength certainly come into it. Otherwise yeah I'd agree. As long as each individual puts in approximately the same amount of effort then its usually good.
Retired member.

Ali

Quote from: Stevil on July 16, 2012, 08:14:47 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on July 16, 2012, 02:15:12 PM
I don't know how true this is for women, tho it may be generally true for men.  When it comes to sex, women's priorities tend to be more complicated just because our end of reproduction tends to be more complicated and I think this holds true even if a woman is not consciously looking for a future father-of-my-kids, or even looking for a man.  I think evolution gears women to look more for protection and security rather than just pretty -- altho that's part of it too, esp. considering some regard good looks as a marker for good health.
Why is/was Brad Pitt considered sexy, or Antonio Banderas...

I don't buy it that women don't have aesthetic preferences in men.

Sure they do.  It's just more complicated than that.

Stevil

Quote from: Ali on July 16, 2012, 08:36:28 PM
Sure they do.  It's just more complicated than that.
Yes, I find most women to be complex.

En_Route

Quote from: Crow on July 16, 2012, 08:32:12 PM
Quote from: En_Route on July 16, 2012, 05:26:07 PM
In determining what makes for great sex, I think in many respects it's a question of mind over matter. Imagination and generosity far out- rank athleticism or perfection of physique in the bedroom ( or preferably out of it).

Depends on the type of sex, if you want a good fucking then athleticism and strength certainly come into it. Otherwise yeah I'd agree. As long as each individual puts in approximately the same amount of effort then its usually good.

.It's maybe the difference between an erotic  masterwork and a wham bam thank you ma'am porno production. Being rather more proficient on the imaginative than the athletic front, this could of course be special pleading on my part.
Some ideas are so stupid only an intellectual could believe them (Orwell).

DeterminedJuliet

Quote from: Stevil on July 16, 2012, 08:29:15 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on July 16, 2012, 08:23:16 PM
Me neither  :P Though, I'm not sure that's what anyone was saying.
Calling someone sexy would imply that they would make for good sex?

Who's calling them sexy? Personally, I don't think Antonio Banderas is worth writing home about, though I guess some people like his accent?
Anyone who categorical labels guys as "sexy" or "not sexy" would probably agree with you about women finding men's appearance an attraction factor. I'm one of those women, I definitely have a physical/appearance "type" and I know it. But was there someone here who said that a man was "sexy" but implied that appearance had nothing to do with it? Maybe there was and I missed it, but most people just seem to be saying the women tend to be a little bit more complicated when it comes to finding someone attractive. I mostly agree with that.
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.