The mosque being built at ground zero?

[karadan]

I heard this the other day and was instantly puzzled as to the motives of whoever proposed it. On one hand, it is just a building but on the other hand, it represents the religion which some crazy bastards used to justify killing 3000 people with passenger aircraft.

It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. To put it into perspective, if some christian fundamentalists blew up down town Islamabad, do you guys think that nine years later, the local muslims would be happy for a church to be built there?

I thought this was a very good vid:

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The obligatory Pat Condell fundy vid

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What are your opinions?

Thanks for the help Tank.

[Dretlin]

As amusing as Pat Condells videos are - I utterly distrusted them.

I did also here that the mosque is going to be in a derelict building about 2 (or perhaps) 3 New York City blocks away. And the leader behind the project teaches at a christen school.

This is a story that is very easy to sensationalize. "Mosque on ground zero!" - which isn't exactly true.

Then again! I am not American.

[Tank]

I heard this the other day and was instantly puzzled as to the motives of whoever proposed it. On one hand, it is just a building but on the other hand, it represents the religion which some crazy bastards used to justify killing 3000 people with passenger aircraft.

It leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. To put it into perspective, if some christian fundamentalists blew up down town Islamabad, do you guys think that nine years later, the local muslims would be happy for a church to be built there?

I thought this was a very good vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-loW4G3 ... re=recentf

The obligatory Pat Condell fundy vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt ... re=related

What are your opinions?

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[Whitney]

I vote for option 4....don't care  or option 5 I don't like that Pat fellow.

[JillSwift]

I have tried very hard to care, but it's just not happening. Best I can manage is a mild apathetic disinterest.

I can't get any more worked up about a mosque than I can a church, synagogue, or stupa no matter what it might be in proximity to.

I'm much more concerned with how little attention the question "Why do people do crap like that?" (about flying planes into buildings, blowing up underground trains, buses, etc.) has gotten. Seems like asking that question gets a chorus of "you're an appeaser!" (and some looks of deep confusion when you tell them to read Sun Tzu).

So. Meh.

[Tank]

Pat's rants are often good but I don't particularly like that one, rather too much bile at the people rather than the meme of Islam itself.

I hope it doesn't get built as it will cause considerable tension I would think.

[Big Mac]

The first video is right up my alley. Where the fuck was the outrage the more subtle things? Where the fuck is the outrage that two countries have been ravaged by war because we reacted so swiftly on one (and then largely ignored it) and then built up to the other and focused on the wrong one (where we probably have sowed the seeds for another more horrific attack).

Where was the outrage. Damn this guy, who took the words out of my mind and onto a video. Reminds me of that scene from Gladiator. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?!

[SSY]

Utterly tasteless, insulting and provocative.

[KebertX]

Yes. If for no other reason: irony. It would be nice to make that gesture to Muslims. Show them that the depraved attacks on 9/11 did not make them our enemies. We still care for them in our society. But the Muslim community would have to pay for it, if they do that, we should let them.  I would like to see a place of God (even though I don't consider God to be real) built there, just not at tax-payer's expense.

9/11 pissed off Americans, but it destroyed the Muslim-American community, because all the Americans were pissed off at them.  This anti-Muslim attitude swept through the minds of the ignorant like wildfire.  Any show of solidarity, to show good Muslims that we care about the pain 9/11 caused them (all of us), would bring us closer together.  I would love to see a mosque built on ground zero.

BTW, whatever happened to the REBUILD THE WORLD TRADE CENTER plan?  Weren't we committed to that after the attack?  What the fuck happened, did we give up?

[TheFish]

I said "no". But I would say "no" for any location.

We need less religious buildings, and more schools. I'm not saying people shouldn't be free to make religious buildings if they want to; however, I am saying that I oppose making religious buildings of any kind. Send kids to a place where they can learn the truth, not sectarian, bigoted nonsense.

[karadan]

Yes. If for no other reason: irony. It would be nice to make that gesture to Muslims. Show them that the depraved attacks on 9/11 did not make them our enemies. We still care for them in our society. But the Muslim community would have to pay for it, if they do that, we should let them.  I would like to see a place of God (even though I don't consider God to be real) built there, just not at tax-payer's expense.

9/11 pissed off Americans, but it destroyed the Muslim-American community, because all the Americans were pissed off at them.  This anti-Muslim attitude swept through the minds of the ignorant like wildfire.  Any show of solidarity, to show good Muslims that we care about the pain 9/11 caused them (all of us), would bring us closer together.  I would love to see a mosque built on ground zero.

BTW, whatever happened to the REBUILD THE WORLD TRADE CENTER plan?  Weren't we committed to that after the attack?  What the fuck happened, did we give up?

The irony would be lost on the fundies.

[Heretical Rants]

I don't care so long as the government doesn't fund it in any way, shape, or form.

[pinkocommie]

I don't care so long as the government doesn't fund it in any way, shape, or form.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel too.

[i_am_i]

It's a stupid idea, as stupid as anything I've ever heard. That's some pretty expensive real estate and what a ridiculous waste it would be to build a religious building, any religious building, in that area.

The point should be to bring commerce back, to construct buildings where people can go to get jobs and make money, office buildings and shops and restaurants and places for people to live, to rejuvenate that part of Manhattan, to really make it live again. And I also think that a state-of-the-art hospital dedicated to the memory of all who lost their lives on 9/11 should be first on the list of things that need to be built there.

But, come on. A mosque?

[karadan]

But, come on. A mosque?

That's exactly what i think.