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Why is socialism bad?

Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2009, 04:25:14 PM »
I'm not really familiar with socialism as a fiscal philosophy, but if universal health care is indeed socialist, then most of the first world is at least part socialist.  But then, we have medicare and medicaid and social security here, so, uhh, add us.

Methinks government is a balancing act of a lot of different ways of doing things.  We took a democracy and then put one man at the top of it.  We are capitalists who fund grants, homeless shelters, and government-run monopolies (postal service, anyone?).  The only thing I think I can say is that there is still improvement to be made.  Much improvement.  In the mean time, the media gets to invoke fear on demand by crudely labeling any system we didn't grow up with using words that stand in opposition to the fine labels we attach to ourselves.  It hurts progress, but I guess it keeps us from doing anything stupid with any great speed.

Meh, if I thought it was workable, there'd not be a government, but that's a hyper-ideal utopia.  We obviously need laws enforced on, moderation with, and protection from ourselves.
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2009, 04:32:04 PM »
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We are capitalists who fund grants, homeless shelters, and government-run monopolies (postal service, anyone?).
You missed the US military. They get more funding than the postal service and the postal service doesn't deliver in Iraq or Afghanistan. =)
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2009, 10:38:31 PM »
Quote from: "Tom62"
A: Capitalism makes social mistakes. Socialism, however, makes capital AND social mistakes.
FTFY

Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2009, 02:13:12 PM »
Hey, HR, how socialist does a country have to become to be bad?  I ask because we clearly have some socialist elements as is.  Are we too socialist now?
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2009, 10:41:03 AM »
I don't like socialism because I think everyone deserves the wages merited by their labour. Socialism's insatiable demand for cash tends to strip people of their earnings, which I believe is both morally wrong, and completely unworkable as a practical system of government.
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2009, 11:04:56 AM »
Quote from: "PipeBox"
Hey, HR, how socialist does a country have to become to be bad?  I ask because we clearly have some socialist elements as is.  Are we too socialist now?
I use this inequality when I'm trying to tell myself that it's OK:
(Forced charity from which most people benefit/dx) < (slavery)

Definitions:
Some of our socialist elements=forced charity that benefits most people
Some of our socialist elements benefit no one, but that is topic for a different discussion.

Pure socialism=slavery
dx=the infinitesimal

Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2009, 01:00:48 PM »
Quote from: "Pineapple"
All I hear from people is how socialism is "evil" and "terrible". I usually hear this from people that think Capitalism is THE BEST THING EVAAAA.

Can anyone explain the pros and cons of socialism for me please? I'm in the ninth grade and don't have quite a huge grasp on politics yet, but it seems like most of the people that completely shut it out don't really know what they're talking about.


Socialism is good.. in theory..


It's Man that's the problem...

Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2009, 01:06:24 PM »
Quote from: "MrWizard"
The reason Socialism is bad, is because it does not work.


As opposed to what, Democracy?  :hmm:

I see one common problem with all these system... they all involve the most dangerous virus on Earth... humanity...

communism works, but only if the groups small enough and it's really an oligarchy in which  the masses are kept, through appeasement or fear, from chalenging authority...

Conclusion: no hope so long as the nature of Man remains unchanged  :shake:

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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2009, 08:53:14 PM »
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Conclusion: no hope so long as the nature of Man remains unchanged  :shake:
Despite our nature, we've managed to persist somehow. The things we hope for are I think fixed by our upbringing and our society. When someone is smart enough to see themselves apart from their society, they can see that hope is an illusion. Ignorance is bliss =).
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #24 on: August 18, 2009, 01:33:35 AM »
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Conclusion: no hope so long as the nature of Man remains unchanged  :raised:

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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2009, 01:41:49 AM »
To be honest I don't care. What are your values?
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2009, 01:48:34 AM »
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To be honest I don't care. What are your values?
Values? I got phi... I think I fucked up though, because a^2+b^2 has never equaled phi before  :hmm: ... and I got 42 for the last question. You?

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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2009, 01:58:23 AM »
Please explain.
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2009, 02:27:44 AM »
Quote from: "AlP"
Please explain.
Hes being faciesious the "value" he got was Pi ie; 3.14, he made a math joke. 42 is a reference to the Hitchhiker Guide To the Galaxy.
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Re: Why is socialism bad?
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2009, 02:31:13 AM »
Yeah I got the 42 thing. It's one of my favorite series. But I couldn't work it into the math?
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