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Social media censorship or responsibility?

Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2021, 01:07:52 AM »
Twitter, Instagram and Facebook have permanently banned Donald Trump.

Good idea, bad idea?

I'm vexed, because while I agree with the idea of banning the tangerine turd I'm not sure it is ultimately a good thing for unelected commercial organisations to wield that sort of power. How would I feel if they had banned Joe Biden?

Thoughts?

I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.




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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2021, 09:39:50 AM »
Twitter, Instagram and Facebook have permanently banned Donald Trump.

Good idea, bad idea?

I'm vexed, because while I agree with the idea of banning the tangerine turd I'm not sure it is ultimately a good thing for unelected commercial organisations to wield that sort of power. How would I feel if they had banned Joe Biden?

Thoughts?

I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.




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Trump was not censored. He was banned (way too late) for breaking the rules he signed up to when he joined Twitter, Facebook et al.
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2021, 03:08:34 PM »
I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.
There are tens of thousands of people that were banned for far less than what Trump had been doing. Trump was allowed to break the rules for so long because of his position. The higher up the food chain you are, it takes more grievous rule violations to be held accountable. That is not censorship and it certainly is not a violation of free speech. Trump can still call a press conference at any time, even at 3am, and the press will be there and will report what he says.

Or do you think it's OK for Trump to break the rules without any consequences?
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2021, 03:47:21 PM »
I'm not questioning Tech's rights in the US. They're in trouble world over. Nations now can see what will happen when there's an overly dependence on large corporations teaming with political parties. I think Uganda shut out facebook and twitter. There's an internet company in the US northwest that the people demanded they shut down access to twitter and facebook.
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2021, 03:52:25 PM »
I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.
There are tens of thousands of people that were banned for far less than what Trump had been doing. Trump was allowed to break the rules for so long because of his position. The higher up the food chain you are, it takes more grievous rule violations to be held accountable. That is not censorship and it certainly is not a violation of free speech. Trump can still call a press conference at any time, even at 3am, and the press will be there and will report what he says.

Or do you think it's OK for Trump to break the rules without any consequences?
I'm Apolitical. I'm not concerned about Trump's relationship with Twitter. I've previously posted my position on constitutional private rights. I'm not attacking anyone.  :)
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2021, 04:01:17 PM »
I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.
There are tens of thousands of people that were banned for far less than what Trump had been doing. Trump was allowed to break the rules for so long because of his position. The higher up the food chain you are, it takes more grievous rule violations to be held accountable. That is not censorship and it certainly is not a violation of free speech. Trump can still call a press conference at any time, even at 3am, and the press will be there and will report what he says.

Or do you think it's OK for Trump to break the rules without any consequences?
I'm Apolitical. I'm not concerned about Trump's relationship with Twitter. I've previously posted my position on constitutional private rights. I'm not attacking anyone.  :)

You said he was 'censored' how is that an apolitical statement?
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2021, 05:12:33 PM »
I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.
There are tens of thousands of people that were banned for far less than what Trump had been doing. Trump was allowed to break the rules for so long because of his position. The higher up the food chain you are, it takes more grievous rule violations to be held accountable. That is not censorship and it certainly is not a violation of free speech. Trump can still call a press conference at any time, even at 3am, and the press will be there and will report what he says.

Or do you think it's OK for Trump to break the rules without any consequences?
I'm Apolitical. I'm not concerned about Trump's relationship with Twitter. I've previously posted my position on constitutional private rights. I'm not attacking anyone.  :)

You said he was 'censored' how is that an apolitical statement?
From what I understand of censor vs ban is there's a crossover area of meaning. But, banned is OK to, I have no objections.
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2021, 06:11:59 PM »
I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.
There are tens of thousands of people that were banned for far less than what Trump had been doing. Trump was allowed to break the rules for so long because of his position. The higher up the food chain you are, it takes more grievous rule violations to be held accountable. That is not censorship and it certainly is not a violation of free speech. Trump can still call a press conference at any time, even at 3am, and the press will be there and will report what he says.

Or do you think it's OK for Trump to break the rules without any consequences?
I'm Apolitical. I'm not concerned about Trump's relationship with Twitter. I've previously posted my position on constitutional private rights. I'm not attacking anyone.  :)

You said he was 'censored' how is that an apolitical statement?
From what I understand of censor vs ban is there's a crossover area of meaning. But, banned is OK to, I have no objections.

There may be some cases where a ban may constitute censorship, this is not one of them. Trump exploited his position to gain privilege.
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2021, 09:09:53 PM »
i have no problem with censorship, so long as my government is not involved, and people do not attempt to eliminate my freedom to develop my own platforms to express my own point of view.

if i publish a newspaper, it's going to have an editorial slant. if i pay to operate an internet forum, there will be philosophes that i do not want to see represented there. if i build out a social media platform, there will be terms of service that i will select, and will enforce.

censorship in the private sector is everywhere. if you don't lik eit, then in a free society you are free to start up your own speakers corner and say what you like. but your speech is not granted a free megaphone on someone else's platform.

the restrictions on speech in america have to do with public safety, libel, and the constitutional restriction of the government from infringing on speech that doesn't violate tjhose societal safeguards. i thibnk those are generally good rules for anybody to follow, not just people living under the american system.

banning somebody from a private platform is just fine, if he is still able to open up his own platform. to continue with the donald as an example, he violated just about everybody's terms of service, and th esocial media is still enoug hof a wild west that people just didn't know how to deal with it, and made mistakes. they are correcting them now, and taking heat for not figuring it out earlier.

but just like the early internet freely marketed images of child rape under "freedom of speech" that have been subsequently forbidden as the medium matured, so social media platforms are finally figuring out that making exceptions to hate speech or advocacy of violence is a bad idea, even when th eactor is a head of state.

donald has not been silenced, he can post on any social media platform that he can use his own money to create, under his own editorial guidelines. he just hasn't needed to do that work himself so far, and he's whining about other people not letting him tak advantage of their work.

subject to the customary laws about public safety and libel, he's not restricted anywhere.





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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2021, 10:25:37 PM »
I log into face book for the sole purpose of connecting with some friends. I spend extremely little time there, and don't hunt around, so I wonder how much traction people on the far left have there?

Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2021, 10:42:10 PM »
I think Big tech is in trouble. Since Trump was censored world political leaders are critical of big tech platforms. It don't look good for them. (Both- tech and countries. Teck because of their social powers. Countries can now see what the techs can do) I'm not going to post examples because there's so much going on this internet-wise so it won't be to much trouble to have a look for the self. Tech may have walked it's way into government regs. It looks like they did in India.
There are tens of thousands of people that were banned for far less than what Trump had been doing. Trump was allowed to break the rules for so long because of his position. The higher up the food chain you are, it takes more grievous rule violations to be held accountable. That is not censorship and it certainly is not a violation of free speech. Trump can still call a press conference at any time, even at 3am, and the press will be there and will report what he says.

Or do you think it's OK for Trump to break the rules without any consequences?
I don't think you understand my position. It's not about whether Trump or Biden are good guys or bad guys, that would get me mixed up in political hatcheting. To do so I would have to have a political direction, I don't have any, so I can't discuss political theories effectively. I may at times agree with a politician on something or another.  I'd rather stay out of arguments. Arguments normally have 2 winners. I was merely responding to the OP in line if censoring was good or a bad thing.  One result is Uganda's fear/concern of Twitter censoring one political party. They think that would be a bad thing. :)
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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2021, 11:22:25 PM »
King turdling should be forced to wear anti-itch mittens and a ball gag!

Have I ever mentioned how much I fucking hate that moronic, hateful, malicious pig?

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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2021, 02:03:35 AM »
censored >>  censured   (picky picky)

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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2021, 03:16:15 AM »
King turdling should be forced to wear anti-itch mittens and a ball gag!

Have I ever mentioned how much I fucking hate that moronic, hateful, malicious pig?

Pff. I'm of a mind that he should get hit in the ass by a red-hot fire hydrant that had just entered the atmosphere at Mach 3.

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Re: Social media censorship or responsibility?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2021, 03:46:24 AM »
. . . There's an internet company in the US northwest that the people demanded they shut down access to twitter and facebook.

Please cite a source for that.
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