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Re: 200,000 dead.
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2020, 12:46:18 AM »
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(

I remember reading at the start of all this that total CV19 deaths were expected to reach between 1 and 2 million if strong preventive measures weren't taken.  I expect it'll top that even if Biden takes over in Jan '21.  Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
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Re: 200,000 dead.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2020, 02:39:20 AM »
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(

I remember reading at the start of all this that total CV19 deaths were expected to reach between 1 and 2 million if strong preventive measures weren't taken.  I expect it'll top that even if Biden takes over in Jan '21.  Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.

If Biden manages to make it to the presidency, he's inheriting a shambles. This country is getting more divided and moribund as I watch. Back in '16 I looked into emigrating to New Zealand. Since I wouldn't be a contributing member of society (I have plenty of skills, but was 62 at the time, and had no interest in being a contributing part of the economy), it would cost my wife and I a megabuck each to do so. I can understand the reasons for that, but I don't have 2 megabucks to spare, sad to say. By the same token, my wife knows a gal who married an expat New Zealander and they relocated to NZ when the younger of that couple retired. In spite of claims about the national health service being "free", there may be substantial delays in those services, and her friend flies back to the US for many medical reasons, mainly age-related, which would be another factor to consider for us. There doesn't seem to be a place where the actions of one megalomaniacal shithead doesn't touch. There is a lot wrong with that picture, and when I reflect on that, I'm kind of pleased that the US is taking a hit on it's prestige. So much influence, with what is now very little substance. It's a horrible shame for the US, but it's looking like we've earned it.  :(

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Re: 200,000 dead.
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2020, 08:08:31 AM »
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(

I remember reading at the start of all this that total CV19 deaths were expected to reach between 1 and 2 million if strong preventive measures weren't taken.  I expect it'll top that even if Biden takes over in Jan '21.  Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.

And the trouble Biden will have is that the redneck republicans will make it a badge of honour to do the exact opposite of what he suggests they should.
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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2020, 08:17:45 AM »
Because being a petty twat waffle, is far more important than safeguarding the well being of the people you've sworn to protect.

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« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2020, 10:05:52 AM »
Because being a petty twat waffle, is far more important than safeguarding the well being of the people you've sworn to protect.

A total cockwomble.
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2020, 01:37:54 PM »
This is a sad state of affairs. To put it in perspective that would mean an entire town of people would be dead.

How did our country get in this mess? Oh yes, poor leadership from the Cheeto in command.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2020, 03:59:35 PM »

This dude is quite clever, has a amazing voice, too.

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Re: 200,000 dead.
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2020, 12:52:21 AM »
Very sad that so many people have died. Brazil isn't far behind, with just over 140,000 dead. Such a sad state of affairs for all of us with incompetent "leaders" who do nothing but lead people to an early grave.
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Re: 200,000 dead.
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2020, 01:37:51 AM »
Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
That's the thing.

You have one chance to initiate a collective think on people.
Once people's thinking is set, it is hard to change.

I think of Donald Trump as being two seperate people.
1. President Trump - leader of USA, leader of the government of USA.
2. Donald Trump - leader of the resistance of the government of USA.

The official corona virus response from the USA government (lead by President Trump) and the Coronavirus taskforce (Lead by Pence, who was appointed by President Trump) was that this was a dangerous pandemic and that people should social distance and wear masks.

Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) however, stated that he wouldn't be wearing a mask, that the corona virus was just a flu and that the pandemic was a Democratic hoax. Calling for Schools to open and for people in democratic run states to liberate themselves from social distancing constraints.

Trump's support base take the lead from Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and pretty much ignore (but never criticise) President Trump.  Any criticism of President Trump is evidence of political games and lies by never Trumpers and radical socialist lefties.
Donald Trump supporters now are fixed on the belief that the coronavirus is no deadlier than the flu, only kills old people who have pre-existing conditions and would die anyway, that coronavirus deaths are grossly overstated and that vulnerable should protect themselves and others should have the right to go on with life as normal, as we tend to do every flu season.

IF Biden becomes president, there will still be Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and there will still be Trump supporters who will continue to ignore the pandemic and proudly show people that they are expressing their freedoms as an "American".

The thing about a global pandemic is that in non authoritarian countries you need to get the population on board. You cannot as a prime minister or president, do it alone. The whole country needs to act together as a team to combat the pandemic. Donald Trump's downplaying of the pandemic early on (and on going) has had a huge impact in destroying USA's ability to beat this. And it will be very difficult for a president Biden to turn this around.

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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2020, 07:06:49 AM »
Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
That's the thing.

You have one chance to initiate a collective think on people.
Once people's thinking is set, it is hard to change.

I think of Donald Trump as being two seperate people.
1. President Trump - leader of USA, leader of the government of USA.
2. Donald Trump - leader of the resistance of the government of USA.

The official corona virus response from the USA government (lead by President Trump) and the Coronavirus taskforce (Lead by Pence, who was appointed by President Trump) was that this was a dangerous pandemic and that people should social distance and wear masks.

Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) however, stated that he wouldn't be wearing a mask, that the corona virus was just a flu and that the pandemic was a Democratic hoax. Calling for Schools to open and for people in democratic run states to liberate themselves from social distancing constraints.

Trump's support base take the lead from Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and pretty much ignore (but never criticise) President Trump.  Any criticism of President Trump is evidence of political games and lies by never Trumpers and radical socialist lefties.
Donald Trump supporters now are fixed on the belief that the coronavirus is no deadlier than the flu, only kills old people who have pre-existing conditions and would die anyway, that coronavirus deaths are grossly overstated and that vulnerable should protect themselves and others should have the right to go on with life as normal, as we tend to do every flu season.

IF Biden becomes president, there will still be Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and there will still be Trump supporters who will continue to ignore the pandemic and proudly show people that they are expressing their freedoms as an "American".

The thing about a global pandemic is that in non authoritarian countries you need to get the population on board. You cannot as a prime minister or president, do it alone. The whole country needs to act together as a team to combat the pandemic. Donald Trump's downplaying of the pandemic early on (and on going) has had a huge impact in destroying USA's ability to beat this. And it will be very difficult for a president Biden to turn this around.

Well said.
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Re: 200,000 dead.
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2020, 08:30:17 AM »
Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
That's the thing.

You have one chance to initiate a collective think on people.
Once people's thinking is set, it is hard to change.

I think of Donald Trump as being two seperate people.
1. President Trump - leader of USA, leader of the government of USA.
2. Donald Trump - leader of the resistance of the government of USA.

The official corona virus response from the USA government (lead by President Trump) and the Coronavirus taskforce (Lead by Pence, who was appointed by President Trump) was that this was a dangerous pandemic and that people should social distance and wear masks.

Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) however, stated that he wouldn't be wearing a mask, that the corona virus was just a flu and that the pandemic was a Democratic hoax. Calling for Schools to open and for people in democratic run states to liberate themselves from social distancing constraints.

Trump's support base take the lead from Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and pretty much ignore (but never criticise) President Trump.  Any criticism of President Trump is evidence of political games and lies by never Trumpers and radical socialist lefties.
Donald Trump supporters now are fixed on the belief that the coronavirus is no deadlier than the flu, only kills old people who have pre-existing conditions and would die anyway, that coronavirus deaths are grossly overstated and that vulnerable should protect themselves and others should have the right to go on with life as normal, as we tend to do every flu season.

IF Biden becomes president, there will still be Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and there will still be Trump supporters who will continue to ignore the pandemic and proudly show people that they are expressing their freedoms as an "American".

The thing about a global pandemic is that in non authoritarian countries you need to get the population on board. You cannot as a prime minister or president, do it alone. The whole country needs to act together as a team to combat the pandemic. Donald Trump's downplaying of the pandemic early on (and on going) has had a huge impact in destroying USA's ability to beat this. And it will be very difficult for a president Biden to turn this around.

Well said.

I agree, but this could also mean that if Biden screws up they'll blame Trump for it.
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