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Why I'm voting for Biden

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Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
« Reply #135 on: November 19, 2020, 12:25:41 AM »
What disappoints me is the number of Latinos in Texas who went for Trump.  They basically handed him the victory here.  The GOP successfully tattooed the Dems with the "Socialist" label and it apparently scared Cubans in Florida and Tex-Mex Latinos here.
I'm disappointed, as well. I don't understand why. As a Latina, I apologize for this. Only bad words come to mind if I try to find the words to describe The Latino Trump Supporters. Sadly, they sell their soul thinking they will be accepted by those who hate them and the sad truth is that most of the time they are never accepted, and the other side now sees them as traitors. Traitors to their honor, self-respect, traditions, and dignity.

We need to do a lot of work in that area.  :felix:

I thought of these posts when I read an article about the political culture of the Rio Grande Valley.

"Trump Didn’t Win the Latino Vote in Texas. He Won the Tejano Vote." | Politico

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Of all the results from the November 3 election, few drew as much attention from national political observers as what happened in a quiet county on the banks of the Rio Grande River. Donald Trump became the first Republican presidential candidate to win Zapata County’s vote in a hundred years. But it wasn’t its turn from a deep-blue history that seemed to be the source of such fascination but rather that, according to the census, more than 94 percent of Zapata’s population is Hispanic or Latino.

Zapata (population less than 15,000) was the only county in South Texas that flipped red, but it was by no means an anomaly: To the north, in more than 95-percent Hispanic Webb County, Republicans doubled their turnout. To the south, Starr County, which is more than 96-percent Hispanic, experienced the single biggest tilt right of any place in the country; Republicans gained by 55 percentage points compared with 2016. The results across a region that most politicos ignored in their preelection forecasts ended up helping to dash any hopes Democrats had of taking Texas.

To many outsiders, these results were confounding: How could Trump, one of the most virulently anti-immigrant leaders, make inroads with so many Latinos, and along the Mexican border no less?

In Zapata, however, these questions have been met with mild chuckles to outright frustration. The shift, residents, and scholars of the region say, shouldn’t be surprising if, instead of thinking in terms of ethnic identity, you consider the economic and cultural issues that are specific to the people who live there. Although the vast majority of people in these counties mark “Hispanic or Latino” on paper, very few long-term residents have ever used the word “Latino” to describe themselves. Ascribing Trump’s success in South Texas to his campaign winning more of “the Latino vote” makes the same mistake as the Democrats did in this election: Treating Latinos as a monolith.

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Ross Barrera, a retired U.S. Army colonel and chair of the Starr County Republican Party, put it this way: “It’s the national media that uses ‘Latino.’ It bundles us up with Florida, Doral, Miami. But those places are different than South Texas, and South Texas is different than Los Angeles. Here, people don’t say we’re Mexican American. We say we’re Tejanos.”

True.

In LA, some people who were born here from Mexican parents call themselves: Pochos, Chicanos, Mexico-Americanos, etc. They speak English and lack fluency in Spanish. Pero son bastante Mexicanos en sus costumbres.

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Nearly everyone speaks Spanish, but many regard themselves as red-blooded Americans above anything else.
Well...on paper, yes.
To an LAPD officer, they don't look like a red-blooded American.
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 (Even while 94 percent of Zapata residents count their ethnicity as Hispanic/Latino on the census, 98 percent of the population marks their race as white.)

Ok.
This sucks!

Let me explain why it's 98%...
I filled out the census this year. My choices for the race are: white, white, or white if I'm not something else. Meaning, They don't consider Latinoamericano a race. To them, Latino is an ethnicity, so we mark Hispanic, for ethnicity and we have everything just like everyone else to pick from when it comes to race, but in my case, because I'm not Filipino, or black, or Aztec, my only option is to mark, of "white" race. I don't think El Salvador is a completely white race.  :notsure:

Interesting article, I don't know much about Tejanos, but I do know that their ancestors did not cross the border, the border crossed them.
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Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
« Reply #136 on: November 19, 2020, 05:00:01 AM »
. . . this idea that americans must be white or native english speakers is weird to me. sure, i have ancestors that came over to the north america on the mayflower. some 400 years ago.

but the america i know and and identify with is an indian and spanish and gringo culture, some 1500 miles west from all that english bullshit.

i don't know shit about those 13 colonies on the atlantic ocean. i know more about the prairies of oklahoma, the bufflalo wallows, the indian allotments,  the chickasaw and cherokee nations, the land rushes across the unallocated lands across the south canadian river. my grandparents were married in indian territory, not more than 1000 feet from where i was born after the territory became the united states.

the first non indian language spoken in oklahoma was spanish, not this english bullshit. and spanish is what everybody i knew in california spoke as well.

i don't care what language they speak or what color their skin is. if they share my fucking country, then theyre americans.


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Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
« Reply #137 on: November 19, 2020, 05:49:57 AM »
^^^
I'm just waiting for aliens to come live here that way I'm just gonna mark the box: Human Race.
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Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
« Reply #138 on: November 19, 2020, 01:09:06 PM »
I read somewhere, that at some point in history German was considered as the official language of the USA. Turned out that this is a myth.
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Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
« Reply #139 on: November 19, 2020, 03:30:28 PM »
Socialist doesn't even really fit Biden or Harris, they are just right of center. Sure they support a few socialist institutions, but so too do people who are far right. The reality is that Biden is about as conservative as Reagan was, and even voted for many of those conservative policies (back then, those policies weren't all that bad and some were even good). The problem is that the right has no issues lying to people, and why not when there are no bad consequences but it helps them out?
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Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
« Reply #140 on: November 19, 2020, 04:21:51 PM »
I don't know much about Tejanos, but I do know that their ancestors did not cross the border, the border crossed them.
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True. Ever since Cabeza de Vaca wandered across south Texas in the 1500s, there has been a Latino presence here (I'm using that word since I don't know what else to use).  They had missions and settlements and trade routes all through Texas, and this was clearly part of Spain and then Mexico.  Whites really didn't start coming here until the 1800s.  After the Texas Revolution in 1836, there was a dispute about where the border with Mexico was.  That was finally settled after the war between the US and Mexico in 1848 - it's the middle of the Rio Grande. So all those of Latino ethnicity were now part of the US and the state of Texas.  In fact, New Mexico, Arizona and California all became part of the US, so the Latinos in those states experienced the same thing.  Now, many Tejanos fought along side whites in the Texas Revolution, and some of them are considered heroes here today.  They see themselves as having an even deeper heritage than whites in Texas. So I can see the point of the article.

If you travel in Texas, once you get to San Antonio and go south, it's really a Latino or Tejano culture. Spanish is spoken probably more than English, and it's just a different feel.  I love it and feel at home with it since I grew up here.  But I still think many whites have a hard time accepting them as true "Americans", even though they have been here longer than we have.