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Should we talk about the weather?

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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1200 on: September 24, 2020, 08:30:59 AM »
I never knew the term Indian Summer originated in the US. I thought is was a colonial reference to the country of India.

 
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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1201 on: September 25, 2020, 03:48:48 PM »
I don't know what the origin of the phrase is. I guess I can look it up.

Here it is:
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Etymology and usage

Late-19th-century Boston lexicographer Albert Matthews made an exhaustive search of early American literature in an attempt to discover who coined the expression. The earliest reference he found dated from 1851. He also found the phrase in a letter written in England in 1778, but discounted that as a coincidental use of the phrase.

Later research showed that the earliest known reference to Indian summer in its current sense occurs in an essay written in the United States circa 1778 by J. Hector St. John de Crevecoeur. The letter was first published in French. The essay remained unavailable in the United States until the 1920s.

Although the exact origins of the term are uncertain, it was perhaps so-called because it was first noted in regions inhabited by American Indians, or because the Indians first described it to Europeans, or it had been based on the warm and hazy conditions in autumn when American Indians hunted. In addition to such conjectures, a great depth of Native American folklore is attributed to describing this phenomenon.[citation needed]

In literature and history, the term is sometimes used metaphorically. The title of Van Wyck Brooks' New England: Indian Summer (1940) suggests an era of inconsistency, infertility, and depleted capabilities, a period of seemingly robust strength that is only an imitation of an earlier season of actual strength. William Dean Howells' 1886 novel Indian Summer uses the term to mean a time when one may recover some of the happiness of youth. The main character, jilted as a young man, leads a solitary life until he rediscovers romance in early middle age.

In British English, the term is used in the same way as in North America. In the UK, observers knew of the American usage from the mid-19th century onwards, and The Indian Summer of a Forsyte is the metaphorical title of the 1918 second volume of The Forsyte Saga by John Galsworthy. However, early 20th-century climatologists Gordon Manley and Hubert Lamb used it only when referring to the American phenomenon, and the expression did not gain wide currency in Great Britain until the 1950s. In former times such a period was associated with the autumn feast days of St. Martin and Saint Luke.

In the English translation of Boris Pasternak's Doctor Zhivago, the term is used to describe the unseasonably warm weather leading up to the Great October Socialist Revolution.
Indian summer

The quote and more about it can be found here: Indian summer
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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1202 on: September 27, 2020, 10:55:41 PM »
. . . . In the English translation of Boris Pasternak's Doctor Zhivago, the term is used to describe the unseasonably warm weather leading up to the Great October Socialist Revolution.
Indian summer . . .

that's an odd cultural juxtaposition.

i remember reading a copy of steinbeck's grapes of wrath when i was a kid that had been edited for british readers. there was no "gas," the joads filled their truck with "petrol . . ." which is fine but not how okies talk.

other cultural "corrections" throughout. made for odd reading, to a native american speaker


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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1203 on: October 21, 2020, 09:47:23 AM »
This piece by Honegger, called Pastorale d'ete, describes our current weather very well.

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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1204 on: October 21, 2020, 10:22:55 AM »
This piece by Honegger, called Pastorale d'ete, describes our current weather very well.



It wouldn't do around here.
Maybe if you lively up the tune?
Add some expressive lyrics p'haps?
Fuck! it's hot
Fuck! it's dry
Fuck! the place is on fire!
Fuck! it's RAINING!
Fuck! it's RAINING!
Fuck! it's windy
Fuuckk! it's cold
Fuck! it's windy
Fuck! it's hot
You can't get there from here.

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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1205 on: October 21, 2020, 05:00:21 PM »
Here it's been hovering around 30° with lowish humidity, so very pleasant.
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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1206 on: October 21, 2020, 05:16:31 PM »
Crikey! It's about average here for this time of year.  (Trying to spice things up).

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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1207 on: October 21, 2020, 09:16:26 PM »
This piece by Honegger, called Pastorale d'ete, describes our current weather very well.



It wouldn't do around here.
Maybe if you lively up the tune?
Add some expressive lyrics p'haps?
Fuck! it's hot
Fuck! it's dry
Fuck! the place is on fire!
Fuck! it's RAINING!
Fuck! it's RAINING!
Fuck! it's windy
Fuuckk! it's cold
Fuck! it's windy
Fuck! it's hot

It's fucking hot here  :'(
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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1208 on: October 22, 2020, 10:30:36 AM »
Here, it's kind-of like the English winter. Cold and damp, with a good chance of rain.
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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1209 on: October 22, 2020, 05:21:21 PM »
We had wonderful weather. 21 degrees Celsius. Spent the day with my wife in the Odenwald Thermen (thermal baths) and got sunburned.
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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1210 on: October 22, 2020, 11:18:36 PM »
foggy in the morning.

then 80F in the sunny afternoon.

the calm before the storm


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Re: Should we talk about the weather?
« Reply #1211 on: Today at 01:10:49 AM »
65F with rain here. The temperature isn't supposed to change. On the other hand it is quite warm in here, slightly uncomfortable.
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