Atheists Fear Accountability, judgement etc...

[myleviathan]

If you're interested in debate, like your profile states, your technique needs work. You have first insulted your opponent, then made some unsubstantiated blanket statements. Here are your insults:

...and out of just sheer ignorance.

Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

Here are your unsubstantiated, unsupported statements:

The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith.

Instead of listing the experiences, you think that this statement stands on it's own.

I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer

Really? Like what? I would be interested in hearing what you have to offer.

Jesus died for our sins

This assertion is only supported and propagated by the beliefs of religious people. No evidence.

and I commit them all the time

Sounds like you use the redemptive power of the death and resurrection of Jesus rather conveniently. That makes the idea of it even less appealing to me. Although I can't say that the idea blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins was ever really appealing. But if I could stomach it, the fact that you take it for granted makes sacrificial forgiveness even more pointless and horrible.

[myleviathan]

And by the way, who the hell would want to be held accountible to an invisible judge??? Atheists don't fear accountability or judgement, we just don't accept either from a source that can't be verified or held accountable itself.

[Dickson]

*sighs, shakes head, reads first post, sighs again*

Most of the Atheists I know haven't become so out of fear or ignorance.  A few have, sure, just like I know some 'Christians' who have, too.  

Most of the Atheists I know are good people who are interested in people.  A lot like most of the Christians I know, too.  In fact, I've only met a handful of angry atheists.  

Most of what I've seen on this forum (albeit, I've only been here for a few days, but whatever) isn't driven by fear or ignorance or hatred.  Sure, there's a hell of a lot I disagree with, and some of it seems pointed, but most of the hostility given on this forum is done so as a reply to someone else's hostility (either on the board or in the world).

Generally, people will see whatever they're looking for.  If you want to see a bunch of stupid neo-Con Christers, then that's what you'll see.  If you want to see a bunch of lawless, immoral heathens, then that's what you'll see.  If you don't look for a fight, though, then there probably won't be one.  

(you should, however, look for bears when you're hiking.  While I've never seen one, I'm okay with that)

[Chimera]

I don't fear accountability or judgment. In fact, like susangail said, I feel more free and full of life than I ever did when I was a Christian. I don't have to worry about God watching my every move, feeling guilty for every bad thought, and praying constantly for his forgiveness and for him to give my life meaning and direction. I can strike out on my own, do my own thing, pursue those things that really interest me without having to worry about what it might mean for me spiritually. I'm not weighed down by God. I can be myself.

[afreethinker30]

I don't fear accountability or judgment. In fact, like susangail said, I feel more free and full of life than I ever did when I was a Christian. I don't have to worry about God watching my every move, feeling guilty for every bad thought, and praying constantly for his forgiveness and for him to give my life meaning and direction. I can strike out on my own, do my own thing, pursue those things that really interest me without having to worry about what it might mean for me spiritually. I'm not weighed down by God. I can be myself.

Chimera very well put.And seeing how this poster seems to know what their God wants well then by all means feel free to live your life always looking up.I honestly don't see why people waste time coming here if they can't atleast see our side.My mind is my own,it's the only thing I will ever really own.And I don't want to waste my time praying to someone who isn't there.If God wants to be prasied then why is it goers who attend church always have to pay...If god is all knowing and powerful then why doesn't he help his believers..Oh wait I forgot because in order to be a good servant to God you must not question anything in the bible or God.And seeing how the bible damns blacks,women and homosexuals why the hell would I want to waste my time worshipping something that was man-made.The bible spreads hate and fear.I want no part of that.As for morals my morals are far better then most hypocrital god loving,Jesus freaks.

[EvolutionCalling]

How is it we fear accountability?  We have no Savior to pawn our "sins" off on.  We have no Satan to blame for the bad thing we do.  We are accountable for OUR actions.  It must be nice to do bad things and simply ask God to forgive them and go on about life with no bubble and no troubles.

[afreethinker30]

*sighs, shakes head, reads first post, sighs again*

Most of the Atheists I know haven't become so out of fear or ignorance.  A few have, sure, just like I know some 'Christians' who have, too.  

Most of the Atheists I know are good people who are interested in people.  A lot like most of the Christians I know, too.  In fact, I've only met a handful of angry atheists.  

Most of what I've seen on this forum (albeit, I've only been here for a few days, but whatever) isn't driven by fear or ignorance or hatred.  Sure, there's a hell of a lot I disagree with, and some of it seems pointed, but most of the hostility given on this forum is done so as a reply to someone else's hostility (either on the board or in the world).

Generally, people will see whatever they're looking for.  If you want to see a bunch of stupid neo-Con Christers, then that's what you'll see.  If you want to see a bunch of lawless, immoral heathens, then that's what you'll see.  If you don't look for a fight, though, then there probably won't be one.  

(you should, however, look for bears when you're hiking.  While I've never seen one, I'm okay with that)

We need more Christians like you!

[Dickson]

We need more Christians like you!

Thanks!  

[Asmodean]

I have read enough of these postings to realize that the majority of athiests here are only here out of fear of judgement,

What do you mean? Who's judgement? Judgement for what?

accountability,

Wouldn't we all rather not be held accountable for something bad, regardless of gender, race or religion?

responability,

Responsibility for what? I'll gladly accept responsibility for something or someone I'm involved with. Or if accepting that responsibility fills up my bank account.

commitment

Commitment to what? I think most of us here are committed to something or someone.

and out of just sheer ignorance.

Every single human on this planet is ignorant, for the more we know, the more questions we have.

I am a happy Christian and that has alot to offer in this world which is constantly nudged out of control by the lack of insight and values that are spawned from lack of understanding that, God gave us all a choice.

Assuming gods exist. Prove that, then we'll talk.

Obviously there are a great number of people on this site who are continuously making the wrong ones.

Is it so obvious? And who are you to name someone else's choice wrong?

Jesus died for our sins and I commit them all the time.

Congratulations, you're going to hell.

The reason I am not an athiest is based on the experiences I have had with Faith.

Really?   Well, have fun praying.

God waits for us all and I look forward to hearing from anyone who thinks that this so-called freedom they are experiencing leaves them feeling a little empty and useless. C'mon, You know it does!

Useless and loving it. Not empty though. However, a belief in god does not make you any more useful or ... what was the opposite of empty..? than I am.

[myleviathan]

Generally, people will see whatever they're looking for. If you want to see a bunch of stupid neo-Con Christers, then that's what you'll see. If you want to see a bunch of lawless, immoral heathens, then that's what you'll see. If you don't look for a fight, though, then there probably won't be one.

That's very true about a lot of things. If I believe in any prophecy at all, I believe in self fulfilling prophecy. People will find what they value in people and in situations, so we steer their own destiny to mirror those values. Conversely it's impossible to expect anyone outside of your group to value the same things that you do. Many Christians don't understand this. They think that everyone has to conform to their values or Die. When I say Die, I mean to die a spiritual death, whether that's Hell or just being annihiliated (while believers enjoy eternal bliss).

With any evangelical belief, there is an 'us and them' mentality whether or not you believe in hell, those saved by grace and those that are not. As a non-believer, I am able to look beyond the 'us and them' mentality and see humanity as one family, no matter the belief. This is such a refreshing way to see the world after years of believing that all non-Christians' souls would be tortured or killed after their physical death.

(you should, however, look for bears when you're hiking. While I've never seen one, I'm okay with that)

I have seen a bear while hiking. It's terrifying. I had hiked about five miles into Ocala National Forest with two friends to camp for a few days. As we were setting up camp that afternoon a monsterous black bear ambled into a clearing right next to camp, and sat down. It was an enormous bear. I was really surprised at how big it was. So we just stood there looking at it, and it was there contently panting and staring back. Finally after about 15 minutes it got up and walked off down the trail. But that was the longest fifteen minutes of my life. My other bear encounter was in a tent with my wife. We were camping with some friends at a park known to have a bear population. A friend of ours was supposed to have taken the trash out after my wife and I went to bed, which was hanging next to our tent. He forgot. During the night we were woken by very deep grunts and snarls, and the sounds of ripping. Needless to say we were terrified. We laid there shivering afraid to open the tent since the trash was about two feet way. About an hour later we heard somebody exit their tent and we heard some rustling. So we exited the tent happy to be alive to find a demolished trash bag right next to our tent. We were so scared and pissed. I just about punched my friend. Since then I'm very bear wary, and I take bear mace just in case anytime I hike or camp.

[Subnasal_Prognathism]

Oh hell you could easily make this accusation in either direction. Could one not say that atheists are the ones who have to live with their mistakes? Whereas the Christian can easily brush his mistakes off his shoulders through asking forgiveness from god, rather than from those he wronged?

[afreethinker30]

I really don't see why someones personal thought is being judged by those who must not throw stones.As long as we go on not hurting anyone no one should should be able to be judge and jury on someone they know nothing about.There are so many Christians that have done much more to harm others then atheists have.I suggest any Christian who wants to judge someone because of lack of faith read this quote from Mein Kampf

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."

Hitler

But wait there is more,much more.These good people have also : Killed people because they were involved in Pagan services.Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces by a Chrisitian mob.Killed Pagan priests.Started the Crusades,over a million people were killed.Exterminated a christian sect for using birth control.Oh they burnt them crazy witches too.Using various forms of torture to get a statement.Spanish Inquisition.Killed 30,000 Protestants

"In a single church fifty women were found beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the breasts of their lifeless mothers."

.Murdered,raped and tortured many Native Peoples.Run Catholic extermination camps.I could go on and on but I think this just goes to show you how godly these people are.