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General => Politics => Topic started by: Tank on September 24, 2020, 12:21:19 PM

Title: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tank on September 24, 2020, 12:21:19 PM
The US has just passed an unfortunate headstone with 200,000 names on it. And that's just the names we know.  :'(
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: No one on September 24, 2020, 12:43:50 PM
Entitlement and ignorance produce disastrous results. America is ripe with both. The mindless orange dictator encourages this disgraceful and embarrassing behavior.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Dark Lightning on September 24, 2020, 12:57:58 PM
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tank on September 24, 2020, 01:10:20 PM
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(

Fukin' hell!
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: billy rubin on September 24, 2020, 08:11:01 PM
it should have been 200,001.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Recusant on September 24, 2020, 09:05:41 PM
That's only one count. The CDC count (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesinlast7days) is 201,411 at the moment, while Worldometer (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/) has 207,203. Both are very likely to be undercounts.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Dark Lightning on September 24, 2020, 09:38:02 PM
A lot of people aren't going to the hospital when they have life-threatening conditions like heart trouble, simply because they're afraid of getting Covid. People are dying because they won't go to the hospital, I'd count them with the people actually dying from the disease. One of my neighbors (supports the chump, of course) says that the death toll is exaggerated because Covid is put on the death certificate if the decedent had it, even if they had previous confounding conditions. I asked, if they hadn't gotten Covid, they'd still be alive, right? I also wonder if he got that info from Breitbart or Alex Jones. It certainly smacks of a conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Recusant on September 24, 2020, 11:01:10 PM
According to an analysis done by the failing New York Times, there are currently approximately 266,000 more deaths in the US than there were at this point in "a normal year." Some of those would be directly or proximately due to the bug, and others no doubt due to people ignoring symptoms of other ailments because they didn't want to go to a hospital.

I'll link to the story, even though the Times throws up a paywall if you view more than a few of their articles in a month.

"The Toll Since Coronavirus Struck: 266,000 More Deaths Than Normal" | The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html)

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The official coronavirus death toll has passed 200,000, but an accounting of all lives that were lost in the United States since mid-March shows that the pandemic and its resulting disruption have caused substantially more deaths: at least 266,000 more people have died than would in a normal year, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Our analysis examines deaths from all causes — not just confirmed cases of coronavirus — beginning when the virus took hold. That allows comparisons that don’t depend on the availability of coronavirus tests in a given place or on the accuracy of cause-of-death reporting. What it shows is that some places have seen staggering death tolls, while nearly every state has seen death counts that are substantially higher than usual. The only states where death patterns look normal are Alaska and Hawaii.

[Continues . . . (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html)]
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Dark Lightning on September 24, 2020, 11:14:52 PM
According to an analysis done by the failing New York Times, there are currently approximately 266,000 more deaths in the US than there were at this point in "a normal year." Some of those would be directly or proximately due to the bug, and others no doubt due to people ignoring symptoms of other ailments because they didn't want to go to a hospital.

I'll link to the story, even though the Times throws up a paywall if you view more than a few of their articles in a month.

"The Toll Since Coronavirus Struck: 266,000 More Deaths Than Normal" | The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html)

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The official coronavirus death toll has passed 200,000, but an accounting of all lives that were lost in the United States since mid-March shows that the pandemic and its resulting disruption have caused substantially more deaths: at least 266,000 more people have died than would in a normal year, according to a New York Times analysis of estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Our analysis examines deaths from all causes — not just confirmed cases of coronavirus — beginning when the virus took hold. That allows comparisons that don’t depend on the availability of coronavirus tests in a given place or on the accuracy of cause-of-death reporting. What it shows is that some places have seen staggering death tolls, while nearly every state has seen death counts that are substantially higher than usual. The only states where death patterns look normal are Alaska and Hawaii.

[Continues . . . (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html)]

Thanks for quantifying that! :thumbsup: I was being lazy.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Randy on September 25, 2020, 05:09:52 PM
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One of my neighbors (supports the chump, of course) says that the death toll is exaggerated because Covid is put on the death certificate if the decedent had it, even if they had previous confounding conditions. I asked, if they hadn't gotten Covid, they'd still be alive, right? I also wonder if he got that info from Breitbart or Alex Jones. It certainly smacks of a conspiracy theory.
I think most people who support chump simply listen to the rhetoric spouted by the before mentioned characters and others. I know two that do and they are close to me.

I'm not in any condition to debate anymore. Speaking is difficult for me and sometimes people cannot understand me. They'll usually walk away with "You have your opinion and I'll have mine." It's a cop out.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on September 26, 2020, 01:39:54 AM
This is the biggest crisis for this country since the Civil War.  November 3 is D-Day for this democracy.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Anne D. on September 26, 2020, 02:22:57 AM
This is the biggest crisis for this country since the Civil War.  November 3 is D-Day for this democracy.

Yes, if the Cheetoh "wins" again, I think the US is done for.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tank on September 26, 2020, 08:13:02 AM
This is the biggest crisis for this country since the Civil War.  November 3 is D-Day for this democracy.

"November 3 is D-Day for US democracy." Added to Facebook Timeline.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: No one on September 26, 2020, 05:33:09 PM
The colassal cocksnot in chief, is such a tremendous shitbag! I hate him more than I have ever hated anything.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tank on September 26, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
The colassal cocksnot in chief, is such a tremendous shitbag! I hate him more than I have ever hated anything.

Given your propensity to 'hate' that is saying something :rofl:
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Sandra Craft on September 27, 2020, 12:46:18 AM
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(

I remember reading at the start of all this that total CV19 deaths were expected to reach between 1 and 2 million if strong preventive measures weren't taken.  I expect it'll top that even if Biden takes over in Jan '21.  Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Dark Lightning on September 27, 2020, 02:39:20 AM
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(

I remember reading at the start of all this that total CV19 deaths were expected to reach between 1 and 2 million if strong preventive measures weren't taken.  I expect it'll top that even if Biden takes over in Jan '21.  Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.

If Biden manages to make it to the presidency, he's inheriting a shambles. This country is getting more divided and moribund as I watch. Back in '16 I looked into emigrating to New Zealand. Since I wouldn't be a contributing member of society (I have plenty of skills, but was 62 at the time, and had no interest in being a contributing part of the economy), it would cost my wife and I a megabuck each to do so. I can understand the reasons for that, but I don't have 2 megabucks to spare, sad to say. By the same token, my wife knows a gal who married an expat New Zealander and they relocated to NZ when the younger of that couple retired. In spite of claims about the national health service being "free", there may be substantial delays in those services, and her friend flies back to the US for many medical reasons, mainly age-related, which would be another factor to consider for us. There doesn't seem to be a place where the actions of one megalomaniacal shithead doesn't touch. There is a lot wrong with that picture, and when I reflect on that, I'm kind of pleased that the US is taking a hit on it's prestige. So much influence, with what is now very little substance. It's a horrible shame for the US, but it's looking like we've earned it.  :(
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tank on September 27, 2020, 08:08:31 AM
It's a sad and disgusting situation. That number is expected to be close to double by January, from what I'm seeing.  :(

I remember reading at the start of all this that total CV19 deaths were expected to reach between 1 and 2 million if strong preventive measures weren't taken.  I expect it'll top that even if Biden takes over in Jan '21.  Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.

And the trouble Biden will have is that the redneck republicans will make it a badge of honour to do the exact opposite of what he suggests they should.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: No one on September 27, 2020, 08:17:45 AM
Because being a petty twat waffle, is far more important than safeguarding the well being of the people you've sworn to protect.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tank on September 27, 2020, 10:05:52 AM
Because being a petty twat waffle, is far more important than safeguarding the well being of the people you've sworn to protect.

A total cockwomble.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Randy on September 27, 2020, 01:37:54 PM
This is a sad state of affairs. To put it in perspective that would mean an entire town of people would be dead.

How did our country get in this mess? Oh yes, poor leadership from the Cheeto in command.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: No one on September 27, 2020, 03:59:35 PM

This dude is quite clever, has a amazing voice, too.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: xSilverPhinx on September 28, 2020, 12:52:21 AM
Very sad that so many people have died. Brazil isn't far behind, with just over 140,000 dead. Such a sad state of affairs for all of us with incompetent "leaders" who do nothing but lead people to an early grave.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Stevil on September 28, 2020, 01:37:51 AM
Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
That's the thing.

You have one chance to initiate a collective think on people.
Once people's thinking is set, it is hard to change.

I think of Donald Trump as being two seperate people.
1. President Trump - leader of USA, leader of the government of USA.
2. Donald Trump - leader of the resistance of the government of USA.

The official corona virus response from the USA government (lead by President Trump) and the Coronavirus taskforce (Lead by Pence, who was appointed by President Trump) was that this was a dangerous pandemic and that people should social distance and wear masks.

Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) however, stated that he wouldn't be wearing a mask, that the corona virus was just a flu and that the pandemic was a Democratic hoax. Calling for Schools to open and for people in democratic run states to liberate themselves from social distancing constraints.

Trump's support base take the lead from Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and pretty much ignore (but never criticise) President Trump.  Any criticism of President Trump is evidence of political games and lies by never Trumpers and radical socialist lefties.
Donald Trump supporters now are fixed on the belief that the coronavirus is no deadlier than the flu, only kills old people who have pre-existing conditions and would die anyway, that coronavirus deaths are grossly overstated and that vulnerable should protect themselves and others should have the right to go on with life as normal, as we tend to do every flu season.

IF Biden becomes president, there will still be Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and there will still be Trump supporters who will continue to ignore the pandemic and proudly show people that they are expressing their freedoms as an "American".

The thing about a global pandemic is that in non authoritarian countries you need to get the population on board. You cannot as a prime minister or president, do it alone. The whole country needs to act together as a team to combat the pandemic. Donald Trump's downplaying of the pandemic early on (and on going) has had a huge impact in destroying USA's ability to beat this. And it will be very difficult for a president Biden to turn this around.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tank on September 28, 2020, 07:06:49 AM
Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
That's the thing.

You have one chance to initiate a collective think on people.
Once people's thinking is set, it is hard to change.

I think of Donald Trump as being two seperate people.
1. President Trump - leader of USA, leader of the government of USA.
2. Donald Trump - leader of the resistance of the government of USA.

The official corona virus response from the USA government (lead by President Trump) and the Coronavirus taskforce (Lead by Pence, who was appointed by President Trump) was that this was a dangerous pandemic and that people should social distance and wear masks.

Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) however, stated that he wouldn't be wearing a mask, that the corona virus was just a flu and that the pandemic was a Democratic hoax. Calling for Schools to open and for people in democratic run states to liberate themselves from social distancing constraints.

Trump's support base take the lead from Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and pretty much ignore (but never criticise) President Trump.  Any criticism of President Trump is evidence of political games and lies by never Trumpers and radical socialist lefties.
Donald Trump supporters now are fixed on the belief that the coronavirus is no deadlier than the flu, only kills old people who have pre-existing conditions and would die anyway, that coronavirus deaths are grossly overstated and that vulnerable should protect themselves and others should have the right to go on with life as normal, as we tend to do every flu season.

IF Biden becomes president, there will still be Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and there will still be Trump supporters who will continue to ignore the pandemic and proudly show people that they are expressing their freedoms as an "American".

The thing about a global pandemic is that in non authoritarian countries you need to get the population on board. You cannot as a prime minister or president, do it alone. The whole country needs to act together as a team to combat the pandemic. Donald Trump's downplaying of the pandemic early on (and on going) has had a huge impact in destroying USA's ability to beat this. And it will be very difficult for a president Biden to turn this around.

Well said.
Title: Re: 200,000 dead.
Post by: Tom62 on September 28, 2020, 08:30:17 AM
Even if he steps up with a good Federal plan coordinating efforts among the States, there's no making individuals cooperate and that's where our biggest weakness is.
That's the thing.

You have one chance to initiate a collective think on people.
Once people's thinking is set, it is hard to change.

I think of Donald Trump as being two seperate people.
1. President Trump - leader of USA, leader of the government of USA.
2. Donald Trump - leader of the resistance of the government of USA.

The official corona virus response from the USA government (lead by President Trump) and the Coronavirus taskforce (Lead by Pence, who was appointed by President Trump) was that this was a dangerous pandemic and that people should social distance and wear masks.

Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) however, stated that he wouldn't be wearing a mask, that the corona virus was just a flu and that the pandemic was a Democratic hoax. Calling for Schools to open and for people in democratic run states to liberate themselves from social distancing constraints.

Trump's support base take the lead from Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and pretty much ignore (but never criticise) President Trump.  Any criticism of President Trump is evidence of political games and lies by never Trumpers and radical socialist lefties.
Donald Trump supporters now are fixed on the belief that the coronavirus is no deadlier than the flu, only kills old people who have pre-existing conditions and would die anyway, that coronavirus deaths are grossly overstated and that vulnerable should protect themselves and others should have the right to go on with life as normal, as we tend to do every flu season.

IF Biden becomes president, there will still be Donald Trump (leader of the resistance) and there will still be Trump supporters who will continue to ignore the pandemic and proudly show people that they are expressing their freedoms as an "American".

The thing about a global pandemic is that in non authoritarian countries you need to get the population on board. You cannot as a prime minister or president, do it alone. The whole country needs to act together as a team to combat the pandemic. Donald Trump's downplaying of the pandemic early on (and on going) has had a huge impact in destroying USA's ability to beat this. And it will be very difficult for a president Biden to turn this around.

Well said.

I agree, but this could also mean that if Biden screws up they'll blame Trump for it.