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Title: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 21, 2020, 04:43:14 PM
You are invited to list your reasons for voting for a particular candidate.

My grievances against Trump (not an exhaustive list):

1. He is building a wall along the border of my state (Texas) and Mexico.  This is not wanted by citizens on the border, not needed and, in fact, will be destructive to natural beauty, local culture, property rights, the environment, national security, and international relations;

2. His vindictive personality has divided us more than any time since the Civil War;

3. He does not respect democratic norms and, instead, seeks to tear them down for his own profit;

4. He will do practically anything to enhance his own brand and stay in power;

5. He is in bed with our greatest enemy - the Russian government;

6. His tax cuts for the wealthy increased the national deficit and encouraged the divide between the top 1% and the rest of us;

7. He does not believe in our foundational principle that all were created equal; and

8. He is incompetent and unqualified, as his poor response to Covid-19, race relations, and the economic downturn demonstrate.

Why I favor Biden:

1. He is a decent man - which carries more weight in this election than any before it;

2. He is open and inclusive, and will do a better job of uniting the nation;

3. His experience, including 8 years as Vice President and over 30 as a Senator, show that he is as qualified and ready as any person in the country;

4. His life experiences have made him empathetic and compassionate, something that Trump has no evidence of in his life;

5. He is prepared to tackle our biggest problems - Covid, race relations, climate change, and economic recovery;

6. He is moderate enough to be able to reach across the aisle - there are still some moderate Republicans who will be able to work with him;

7. He is progressive enough to meet the challenges of the future; and

8. He will probably be a one-term President, paving the way for a new generation of leaders (hopefully Harris or some other woman) to assume the helm in four years.


Your turn.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on August 21, 2020, 04:51:44 PM
I think he'll get the respect from other countries back.

He has a good shot at making us the world leader again.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 21, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
I hope Biden wins and the Orange Turd gets flushed. If the orange one goes down the toilet, Bolsonaro will too.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tank on August 21, 2020, 06:37:17 PM
Bruce I'd hug you for voting for Jo!
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 21, 2020, 07:11:25 PM
The shit I took at birth is a better candidate then that absolute fucking imbecile in the office now.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on August 21, 2020, 08:49:58 PM
I'm so glad that I don't have to vote.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 22, 2020, 02:22:58 AM
Bruce I'd hug you for voting for Jo!

I'm returning the virtual hug!  Social distancing!!!
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 22, 2020, 02:26:57 AM
That's a good and comprehensive list, Bruce, and I can't think of anything to add to it.  Everything on there points to the fact that Trump is a lethally incompetent moron, and if he's not stripped of power in this election we probably won't have a democracy after 4 more years.  To say nothing of all the other damage he'll keep inflicting for the sake of his money-grubbing and/or Dominionist base.

Neither Biden nor Harris was a first choice for me, but I consider them both better people than anyone in the current Administration.  And I consider the objections I have with them the result of honest differences of opinions and priorities, not the willful malice and indifference that seems to motive Trump and his minions.

I know a lot of Progressives object to Biden/Harris on the grounds that they'll just reset us to 2012, but given where we're headed now, 2012 seems a really good restarting point to push forward with a more Left agenda.  A chance we're never going to get with Trump.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: jumbojak on August 22, 2020, 03:52:34 AM
Bruce I'd hug you for voting for Jo!

You sure about that?


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Jorgensen
 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Jorgensen)
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Recusant on August 22, 2020, 04:50:15 AM
Just in the area of stewardship of the environment:


This isn't the complete list even on that one area of policy. I think an attempt at a comprehensive list of all the things that Trump and his administration have done that deserve removal from office might be the work of a day.  :headshake:

Biden isn't Trump, and he's at least learned how government can work. On one hand there is a guarantee of more of Trump & Co's ignorance and avarice with a sledgehammer approach to the machinery of domestic welfare and foreign relations. On the other there is the possibility that Biden will get people to work with wrenches and welding rigs to repair the damage that has been inflicted over the past few years.

Not going to go any further.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on August 22, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
if Biden is going to win then he'll need a very strong and dedicated team behind him. They should be chosen for their merits, not for their skin colour or gender. I won't mind to see an LGBTQ+ person leading the ministry of Defence, as long as that person is really qualified to do a good job.

The way I see it, the main problems ahead of Biden are Covid-19, the economical recession (caused by Covid-19), the lack of law and order in major cities, rebuilding what Trump broken down before (like environmental government agencies) and reinstating trust both in- and outside the USA. What the USA doesn't need right now are more crimes, riots and chaos on the streets, war mongering actions in the Middle East (or elsewhere), racial slurs and racial obsessions, lying media, cancel culture and implementing unaffordable, unrealistic progressive plans.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on August 23, 2020, 12:12:23 AM
Trump is a pathological liar.  His base believes his lies no matter how absurd they are.  Most of his damned lies are transparent.  His base believes him anyway.  I am insulted that he believes that we "others" are so gullible.

His deviousness is reason enough to ditch the miserable thief.  I am thinking of the ongoing Post Office Department deal.  Mister LaJoy has caused himself some problems by rendering the postal service less capable.  Does anyone not believe that he was acting on behalf of the deranged President?

One of the marks of a good business manager is that he/she finds, hires, and keeps competent employees.   Too many of his selected people have landed in the lockup. Whats up with that?  Six bankrupt filings, stiffing his contractors hundreds of times.  Trump University?    That was a cruel scam that fleeced a lot of nice, but gullible, people...................................................................................................I can go on but you get the idea.  I do not like the scumbag.  I would vote for a three legged giraffe,  if that was the only alternative to Trump.

Then there was the Bible photo op ................that cracked it for me.   I see that bit of show business as a sacrilege that I would think offensive to Christian folks. 



I am alright with lies about the size of fish that I caught because that is a harmless lie. 
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 23, 2020, 01:33:46 AM
Dump donald, is a fucking coward! He honestly turns my stomach, and believe me ,that is no easy task. He is easily atop my most hated list. To say is lower than the crud that forms at the corners of my mouth when I sleep is a monumental understatement.

As for the flock of mindless sheep in the pastures of trumptardia, they deserve to be stepped on and squashed like the worthless maggots that they are! It's a crying shame that the fake corona virus just doesn't take out the willfully retarded.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on August 23, 2020, 04:19:28 AM
One of the things that I have learned about the cult of the chump is that they KNOW that he lies, and they like it because "it drives the Libs crazy". And I quote. This, said by a gal in my wood carving class, and she also believes in "chem-trails", but even some of the chump's supporters boo her down on that. Some of the people who voted for him are regretting it. I hope that enough do, though here in California, which is basically a blue state, it's kind of a moot point. All of our electoral votes went to Hilary. As poor a candidate as Hilary was, I'm convinced that she couldn't possibly have done as bad a job as the Donald. I realize that that is damning with faint praise, though.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on August 23, 2020, 04:32:41 AM
Dump donald, is a fucking coward! He honestly turns my stomach, and believe me ,that is no easy task. He is easily atop my most hated list. To say is lower than the crud that forms at the corners of my mouth when I sleep is a monumental understatement.

As for the flock of mindless sheep in the pastures of trumptardia, they deserve to be stepped on and squashed like the worthless maggots that they are! It's a crying shame that the fake corona virus just doesn't take out the willfully retarded.

It would be really nice (in a sick sort of way) that the people who refused to mask would be the only ones to die. The problem, as I'm certain that you are aware, is that people who depend on masking will die because those people didn't. When my wife and I went to the celebration of life for my nephew who killed his wife and himself, maybe 5 or 6 of the 20 or so people there had a mask on. My nephew, where that celebration was held, didn't have a mask, nor his children or his wife or their friends. They are members of some religious cult. When my brother (his father) needed a place to stay when he was undergoing chemo, they insisted that he convert to their religion before he could live with them. I hadn't known that, and he ended up in hospice by that time, where it was a bit too late, as by that time he was already dying. Religion messes up so many people. Or maybe I should say that strict adherence to some religious beliefs messes up many people.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on August 23, 2020, 08:18:31 PM
Dump donald, is a fucking coward! He honestly turns my stomach, and believe me ,that is no easy task. He is easily atop my most hated list. To say is lower than the crud that forms at the corners of my mouth when I sleep is a monumental understatement.

As for the flock of mindless sheep in the pastures of trumptardia, they deserve to be stepped on and squashed like the worthless maggots that they are! It's a crying shame that the fake corona virus just doesn't take out the willfully retarded.

It would be really nice (in a sick sort of way) that the people who refused to mask would be the only ones to die. The problem, as I'm certain that you are aware, is that people who depend on masking will die because those people didn't. When my wife and I went to the celebration of life for my nephew who killed his wife and himself, maybe 5 or 6 of the 20 or so people there had a mask on. My nephew, where that celebration was held, didn't have a mask, nor his children or his wife or their friends. They are members of some religious cult. When my brother (his father) needed a place to stay when he was undergoing chemo, they insisted that he convert to their religion before he could live with them. I hadn't known that, and he ended up in hospice by that time, where it was a bit too late, as by that time he was already dying. Religion messes up so many people. Or maybe I should say that strict adherence to some religious beliefs messes up many people.
That's awful. My daughter is an xtian although I don't know what kind. Still, she had me move in with her when my cancer took a turn for the worse. I don't think she truly believes much of it. She told me it's "just a conviction" to her even though it doesn't make any sense.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on August 24, 2020, 02:43:05 AM
^ You raised you daughter right, you are a good man. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on August 24, 2020, 10:00:19 PM
Yeah, she's a daddy's girl. :)
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 24, 2020, 10:35:52 PM
I don't see how any veterans can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any latinos can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any blacks can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any LBGTs can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any women can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how anyone with a barely functioning brain can vote for the orange fuckwad.
What's left? Shit-for-brains closeted white male christards?
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on August 24, 2020, 10:43:02 PM
they'r enot closeted. in appalachia, trump is the hands-down favorite son. they like his mouthiness, and they don't see either establishment republicans or any democrats doing anything for them.

to a very large extent, they're right. this area has been economically and socially depressed for generations and nobody has cared.

trump doesn't care either but he's entertaining.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 24, 2020, 11:39:04 PM
Is that a yes?
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 25, 2020, 12:39:05 AM
I’m in a family divided. My wife and I support Biden. Two of our kids support Trump, but it’s mainly our son-in-law who has really bought into the conspiracy theory du jour.  There are so many factors that go into this difference that I’m not going to get into it, but it creates a good
bit of tension.  I think he has hypnotized 40% of the country.  If he loses the election, I think he will continue to be their president.  It’s going to be nasty.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 25, 2020, 02:05:28 AM
trump is a cowardly, delusional piece of shit! in the hierarchy of life, trump ranks lower than diarrhea that resulted from 24 hours of binging on low grade teqila and 4 week old taco bell.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on August 25, 2020, 02:12:21 AM
There will be studies in the coming years to determine whether Trumps tweets cause cancer in the brain.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on August 25, 2020, 02:22:26 AM
win or lose hes not going away.

if he loses i would not be surprised to see him open up a television network to push his views.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 25, 2020, 03:06:57 AM
It might be syphilis, rotting that raisin sized brain in his otherwise hollow head.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 25, 2020, 10:19:04 AM
I don't see how any veterans can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any latinos can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any blacks can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any LBGTs can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any women can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how anyone with a barely functioning brain can vote for the orange fuckwad.
What's left? Shit-for-brains closeted white male christards?

And yet he's got some of all of the above in his base. 
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on August 25, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
I don't see how any veterans can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any latinos can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any blacks can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any LBGTs can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any women can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how anyone with a barely functioning brain can vote for the orange fuckwad.
What's left? Shit-for-brains closeted white male christards?

And yet he's got some of all of the above in his base.

Playing the Devil's Advocate  ;):
Well, if you've managed to bring the unemployment rates for minorities back to an all time low; if you create opportunity zones in poor neighbourhoods that bring these communities forwards; if you introduce a prison reform that frees thousands of (mainly black) prisoners, who committed non-violent crimes; if your tax reforms also helps the middle class; if rioters are looting and destroying your neighbourhood for many weeks and your Democratic major and governor turns a blind eye; then I can really understand why a lot of people will vote for Trump.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Sandra Craft on August 25, 2020, 10:20:40 PM
I don't see how any veterans can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any latinos can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any blacks can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any LBGTs can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how any women can vote for the orange fuckwad.
I don't see how anyone with a barely functioning brain can vote for the orange fuckwad.
What's left? Shit-for-brains closeted white male christards?

And yet he's got some of all of the above in his base.

Playing the Devil's Advocate  ;):
Well, if you've managed to bring the unemployment rates for minorities back to an all time low; if you create opportunity zones in poor neighbourhoods that bring these communities forwards; if you introduce a prison reform that frees thousands of (mainly black) prisoners, who committed non-violent crimes; if your tax reforms also helps the middle class; if rioters are looting and destroying your neighbourhood for many weeks and your Democratic major and governor turns a blind eye; then I can really understand why a lot of people will vote for Trump.

Thing is, Trump hasn't done any of that.  He's taken credit for some work that the past Administration did, and lied about the others.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 25, 2020, 10:54:16 PM
The stock market and the unemployment rate were both trending positively under Obama and Biden, with about the same trajectory as Trump, until Covid.  He just continued in the same trend they started, except that he incompetently managed Covid and put millions out of work.  His tax cuts gave very little to the working class and a whole lot to the rich, while increasing the deficit. The gap between rich and not rich is greater now than before.  He has undermined Obamacare where he could, but cannot come up with anything to replace it.  I'm not inclined to give him credit for much good.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Bluenose on August 26, 2020, 01:09:52 AM
To my American friends: Don't just vote for Biden, also vote to get his enablers tossed out of the Senate.

As an Aussie, I would really like to see a US President who is capable of speaking in complete sentences.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: xSilverPhinx on August 26, 2020, 01:43:57 AM
To my American friends: Don't just vote for Biden, also vote to get his enablers tossed out of the Senate.

[snip] I would really like to see a US President who is capable of speaking in complete sentences.

Seconded.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 26, 2020, 02:44:33 AM
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on August 26, 2020, 04:26:26 AM
As much as I despise(d) Hilary, I still voted for her. A lot of baggage, there. But the "status quo" of that continuation of the government would have been a couple of orders of magnitude better than what we are experiencing in this "administration's" handling of pretty much everything. Anything positive one could say about this current "administration" could be basically chalked up to inertia from the previous years. While a president doesn't get much done in the first two years due to the inertia of the entire government, Obama had enough time to at least achieve a little before he ran out of years. I truly hope that we get a few administration's worth of reasonable leadership, after this chump debacle. I get that people are disgruntled, but the part I don't get is why the disgruntled people just don't get that their disgruntlement is caused by the very people whom they vote for.  :???:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on August 26, 2020, 06:13:07 AM
DL I submit that far too much of America is not paying attention.  In the broad scheme of things we are not a nation of  bright people.  Hillary was pretty close to reality when she ...unfortunately for her.......used the term: deplorables.

We have a majority who does not read, does not explore more than one Television network, is more interested in sitcoms than they are reliable information.  Newspapers are going out of business because people do not place much value in current events. Social media like Twitter and Facebook have taken the place of information sources that we once had.  Is it any wonder that Russian hackers can actually influence our thinking, that crackpot outfits like Qanon can alter our public perception???   I fear that our society is in a heap of trouble because we have lost our ability or even our desire to think in analytical terms devoid of emotional influence.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on August 26, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
I think that the media only makes things worse. On one side Trump is Orange Man bad and on the side Trump is the second coming of Christ. Both sites are very flexible with the truth; only post stuff that fits their narratives and offer nothing more than clickbaits. Now we've got social media as well, where any moron can post any kind of crap. And you've got loads of people believing that stuff.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 26, 2020, 01:18:29 PM
One of the lies the GOP tells about Biden is that he is a secret radical leftest or even Communist who will take away all our freedoms and destroy the country. They forget that Biden was already VP for 8 years with a president more liberal than him, and we did fine with no loss of freedom.  With him as President you expect pretty much what you’ve already seen.  My life was fine when he was No. 2 and I’m sure it will be when he is No. 1, especially if he has both the House and Senate backing him.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on August 26, 2020, 04:18:41 PM
DL I submit that far too much of America is not paying attention.  In the broad scheme of things we are not a nation of  bright people.  Hillary was pretty close to reality when she ...unfortunately for her.......used the term: deplorables.

We have a majority who does not read, does not explore more than one Television network, is more interested in sitcoms than they are reliable information.  Newspapers are going out of business because people do not place much value in current events. Social media like Twitter and Facebook have taken the place of information sources that we once had.  Is it any wonder that Russian hackers can actually influence our thinking, that crackpot outfits like Qanon can alter our public perception???   I fear that our society is in a heap of trouble because we have lost our ability or even our desire to think in analytical terms devoid of emotional influence.

Too true, sadly. I know people who are happy to be ignorant. It's looking more like "Bread and Circuses" all the time.

I'll admit I quite taking a newspaper, but it had more to do with them wanting $75 a month for an ever-thinning product. When I watch the news, I watch the culprits, not the people who spin it. At least, most of the time.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on August 26, 2020, 04:41:02 PM
...
We have a majority who does not read, does not explore more than one Television network, is more interested in sitcoms than they are reliable information.
...
It sounds like someone I know all to well. He represents that very sentence. Let's not forget the right wing talk shows. I'm surprised they aren't sued for libel. Maybe they run it by their lawyers first to make sure it's okay to say.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on August 26, 2020, 05:19:50 PM
it's odd looking at the republicans. they have finally become the thing they used to detest-- fiscally irresponsible, anti-free trade, anti-universal suffrage, anti-big government, anti-world leadership, and so on.

they've become a modern day party of know-nothings. like the populist democratic party of william jennings bryan. and the democrats have become the party of the opposite-- fiscal balances, universal suffrage, world involvement and so on.

every political party morphs all th etime, but i look at the wild-eyed conspiracy theorists of the modern republicans with their racist hate, anti-science, anti-inclusivity aganda and just shake my head.

if trump loses in november, what will they do? try to continue the populism without him, bringing out ivanka or donald as their new leader? or try to return to the more responsible views they held pre-trump, and pretend that nothing ever happened?

we live in interesting times.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 26, 2020, 08:35:28 PM

if trump loses in november, what will they do? try to continue the populism without him, bringing out ivanka or donald as their new leader? or try to return to the more responsible views they held pre-trump, and pretend that nothing ever happened?


That's a good question.  Hope he does lose, but even then I suspect he will try to continue to lead the movement and maybe be some kind of shadow government.  Whatever he does, the goal will be to self-promote and make money for himself and his family.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 26, 2020, 09:52:46 PM
Legend has it that they will shrivel and wither and return to the cesspool from whence they came.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on August 26, 2020, 11:48:23 PM
i do not think they will go away.

donald trump is not the problem. his success is a symptom of the problem.

the problem will outlast him.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on August 27, 2020, 12:11:30 AM
I think Billy is onto something. Look at how many people voted for the buffoon. They like him. Despite the damage he's inflicted on the USA they like him and will most likely vote for him again.

I fear that the orange Cheeto is merely a symptom of a big problem or perhaps multiple problems would be more like it.

I'm voting for Biden (obvious by now) to see if he can make a dent in the afore mentioned damage.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on August 27, 2020, 02:39:25 AM
As has been said many places across the internet, the chump is merely a representative of the people who elected him. A large portion of our country elected him. They'd be the same ones burning Obama in effigy after he was elected...and lynching black people in the south. It's pretty disgusting how a lot of people are.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on August 27, 2020, 02:49:05 AM
They will disappear. Like a miracle, one day they will disappear.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on August 27, 2020, 07:06:33 AM
They will disappear. Like a miracle, one day they will disappear.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/d9/30/b5d9308d41fd3c4986d9eb431c2b6e49.jpg)
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on August 27, 2020, 04:07:02 PM
30 percent of americans are perfectly happy with fascism.

been a long time since they had a leader. george wallace? waz the last serious menace that i recall.

i remember all the bumper stickers in 1976 that read

america: love it or leave it
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Bluenose on August 31, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
I think the main problem is as the great Isaac Asimov put it, regarding the USA:

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on August 31, 2020, 01:18:05 AM
I think the main problem is as the great Isaac Asimov put it, regarding the USA:

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”

He was onto something there, for certain. One example from my past is from when I was in a training program for Boy Scout leaders, and one of the topics, presented in a "Jeopardy" fashion, was how to treat snakebite. The guy who responded was an MD, but his answer didn't agree with the answer card, and people laughed at him. He looked around like, "WTH?", and I just shared a look with him. I worked in aerospace for 27 years, and a lot of people in that environment were the same way with willful ignorance.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on August 31, 2020, 04:46:36 PM
One of the primary reasons for anti-intellectualism is the hyper-literalism that many evangelical preachers use in interpreting the Bible. It is read to demand a young earth and no evolution.  This is generally not an issue in the Catholic church and mainline Protestant churches, who generally accept an old earth and evolution, but with the group that supports Trump, it's a big deal. So, when your spiritual leader completely undermines some of the fundamental theories of biology, anthropology, geology, and astrophysics, it's a sure bet that faith in science is going to take big hit all the way around.  Trump, of course, takes anti-intellectualism to the extreme, rarely reading anything.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on September 01, 2020, 06:18:28 AM
Biden's speech today torched Trump convincingly.  Joe did not stutter, stumble or hesitate.  He talked in a civilized manner and still managed to wipe out some of the bullshit that we saw and heard at the RNC nominating show.  Joe's punch line was: do you feel safer now?   It was most effective.

Lets see what Harris can do to destroy some of the lies that the Trumpers are spewing.  I think that she can handle that chore pretty well.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on September 02, 2020, 01:22:55 AM
biden needs to change the newz cycle from riots to covid

if trump can control the headlines by changing the subject, he can win.

biden needs to put trump on the defensive, not run around spending his money trying to debunk whatever trump says that day
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on September 02, 2020, 02:29:38 AM
I am sorely afraid that there are more "deplorables" than there are rational people.   Voter turnout will ultimately determine the outcome   If the orange man can persuade his people to get out the vote, we are doomed.  Let us pray that the Biden people will take heed and turn out in record number at the polling places or with early mail votes.

 Taking the alternate view: According to the opinion polls, the Trumpers will insist on voting at the polling places while the anti Trumpers will prefer voting by mail. SO we will have Trump winning at the end of the polling place voting day. That is to being  described as the Red Mirage.  When the mail ballots are then counted, Trump loses.  That is going to be the source of a helluva shitstorm in which Trump claims victory because all those mailed votes are obviously illegal. 

Oh happy day!
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on September 03, 2020, 05:10:28 PM
I'm voting for Biden in person whether I get Covid or not.  I'll take all the precautions, but I'll take the risk because I do not trust the USPS under Trump's henchman and fear that they will do anything necessary to keep mail-in votes from being counted. Nothing is sacred for these criminals.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on September 04, 2020, 12:54:37 AM
A tip of the hat to you Bruce.  Your vote will be counted despite the far right's fervent desire to negate or prevent it. 

The problem is that a huge majority of the Righties are committed to in person voting.  Meanwhile a huge proportion of Lefties are committed to voteing by mail..................or so the polls have us believe.    If the Trumpers are somehow able to dismiss a sufficient number of absentee votes we are doomed. 

All that is interesting conversation but the real deal is whether the electoral college is in keeping with the popular vote.  It is entirely possible for Trump to lose the popular vote by  many millions and still be elected.

Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on September 04, 2020, 06:35:40 PM
Perhaps we ought to mask up and go out to the polls. It's less than two months away now. Either way I hope people vote and mail-in ballots are counted. I fear that not many will do a mail-in ballot.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Sandra Craft on September 04, 2020, 08:31:37 PM
Perhaps we ought to mask up and go out to the polls. It's less than two months away now. Either way I hope people vote and mail-in ballots are counted. I fear that not many will do a mail-in ballot.

To be on the safe side, people can drop off their mail-in ballots at the county registrar of votes (as I think it's called) or at drop off boxes, if their city has them.  In CA, you can sign up to track your ballot after you drop it off to make sure it's counted. 

It's not as safe as mailing from home, but a lot safer than going to a polling place (esp. if you can count on a long line where you live) in the middle of a pandemic.

My biggest concern now is getting the ballots in time.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on September 04, 2020, 11:22:09 PM
The hot news of the day is about Trumps latest remarks about military people.  This time he has seriously stepped on his dick.  He said that military people who were killed or injured in action are "losers" and "suckers".  I am anxious to hear the reply from Tammy Duckworth.  She is the ex military helicopter pilot who lost her legs in a firefight. 

Biden replied with uncharacteristic anger.  I think that the defecate has impinged on the rotary blade.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on September 05, 2020, 03:42:40 AM
this stuff wont affect his base, but ibelieve it will stick with everybody else.

trump has squandered his credibility with petty lies. nobody believes him anymore.

i suspect people are also getting fed up withhis endless controversies. i cant tell because i live in trumps happy land.

does anybody from elsewhere have perspective on that?
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on September 05, 2020, 10:01:46 PM
this stuff wont affect his base, but ibelieve it will stick with everybody else.

trump has squandered his credibility with petty lies. nobody believes him anymore.

i suspect people are also getting fed up withhis endless controversies. i cant tell because i live in trumps happy land.

does anybody from elsewhere have perspective on that?

I also live in Trumpland. Today there was a  Trump Pickup Parade in Padre Island where I am spending the holiday. Honking,  flags, etc. Obnoxious.  But Texas is in play, and right now Biden has a chance of winning this giant.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on September 05, 2020, 10:40:47 PM
the democrats winning texas would be a time machine
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on September 18, 2020, 02:41:54 AM
Biden is holding a steady 7 point advantage in the polls. The key to victory is the return of the Obama coalition.  Minorities and young people have to vote. If they do, Biden wins.  If they don’t, it’s at least four more years of Trump/Barr unchained.  Think of that.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on September 18, 2020, 04:05:30 AM
Biden is holding a steady 7 point advantage in the polls. The key to victory is the return of the Obama coalition.  Minorities and young people have to vote. If they do, Biden wins.  If they don’t, it’s at least four more years of Trump/Barr unchained.  Think of that.

Believe me, I do. And the shit those two will pull will be horrifying. Here in California, I expect a solid blue vote, but some other places, I'm not so sure. My wife and I are discussing leaving the US, but I'm not convinced that any place else is any better, in spite of the shit that is going on here.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 01, 2020, 01:25:39 AM
Early voting starts here on Oct. 13.  I can’t wait!  Whatever the outcome, this is my voice, however small it is.  My vote is my inheritance from the Founding Fathers. It connects me with the beginning of this nation.  I do not understand people who don’t vote.  I will proudly vote for Biden/Harris and for those in other races who align with them.  Eventually, Texas will turn blue.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on October 01, 2020, 05:16:50 PM
i didn't vote for some 20 odd years, after th esenate refused to convict bill clinton for perjury and obstruction of justice.

after i heard him lie to the american people on national radio.

since that time i have come to realize that bill clinton was not at all the worst thing that could happen.

american politics is a shitshow right now, reflecting a country that is a shitshow.

i'm worried for the country. should biden win, which i consider likely, i don't know how much he can do to repair the damage. the only thing that might help is if there is a blowout democratic win in the house, senate, and presidency. if any of those three stay in the hands of the minority party after 03 november, i don't know what biden will be able to accomplish.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on October 01, 2020, 05:53:41 PM
trump and is mindless trumptard zombies need to be put in sterilization camps, and be done with.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 14, 2020, 02:43:24 AM
Today I made good on my pledge to vote for Biden.  This is the first day of early voting in Texas.  My wife and I stood in line for 2 hours, but now we’ve done it and it’s over.  Voting lines are long all over the state.

In the future I would hope there could be a more efficient and secure way to vote for president, the one election that all Americans can participate in. We have the technology to do this - we just don’t have the will at this time.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Recusant on October 14, 2020, 03:32:21 AM
There's significant "will" that suffrage be restricted in the US, and it's had some success.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on October 14, 2020, 07:07:28 PM
this country is at a political crossroads.

we have a minority voice that persists in maintaining influence because of its successful organisation

and a majority voice that can't get its head out of its asshole in order to make its positions obtain.

i don't know who will come out on top in the vote, or what effect post-vote controversies will have.

but this is not how it was intended to work. i don't know how to return this political system to that prior philosophy.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on October 15, 2020, 04:02:49 PM
I voted yesterday. I'm really hoping that Trump and all Republicans get voted out. I understand that many down the line and smaller Republicans are not terrible people. But at this point, you can't be that good of a person if you're still a Republican after seeing the party getting to this point of open corruption, human rights, voter suppression, national debt, government spending, crashing economies, legislation that favors big corporations over small businesses, pro-corporation at the expense of the people... etc.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 16, 2020, 12:30:52 AM
I voted Democratic all the way to the local elections (mainly local judges) where only Republicans are running.  I know them so I voted for them, realizing that they are GOP mainly because that’s the only way to get elected here.  I don’t like it, but if I appear before them I can at least say “I voted for you”.  Maybe hypocritical, but they were going to win anyway, and I would rather see judges selected by merit.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tank on October 16, 2020, 09:40:38 AM
Watching with interest. Thank you for voting out the Mango Cockwomble!
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on October 17, 2020, 01:59:18 AM
Watching with interest. Thank you for voting out the Mango Cockwomble!

It pains me to know that we have not yet voted him out.  We will learn about the voting result some time past November third. It is far from certain that the voters in the U.S. have gotten their heads out of their asses.  Trump has a following that is loyal, boisterous, and confrontational.  The many polls have him losing but polls are not elections. 

It is encouraging that more than a few of our Republican senators and representatives, previously staunch Trump supporters,  have backed off from the support of Trump.  They seem to believe that they too may be defeated if they continue to support the psychopathic lying  madman. The words "Bloodbath" is being bandied about by fearsome Republican politicians.  Dear FSM let that be true. But there is no telling what or for whom the enormous population of U.S. lesser sophisticated  people will vote for.   

At this moment we are having thrust upon us a candidate for the supreme court.  She is eminently qualified in terms of law and constitutional matters. Alas, she is an exceptional legal intellectual. Ms. Barret is also a deep end catholic....really deep end Catholic Pentacostal type who believes in speaking in tongues and other weird stuff. She is almost certain to be selected as the Judge to replace our revered  Ruth Bader Ginsburg. It would be difficult to imagine a more opposite pair of Judiciaries. This has some severe implications in terms of  future rulings.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Recusant on October 17, 2020, 03:10:34 AM
Well said, Icarus.  :felix:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on October 17, 2020, 06:09:10 PM
We can only hope that her integrity will carry some weight in her decision-making.  Maybe she will surprise us, but I’m not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on October 29, 2020, 06:09:12 PM
Five thirty eight's predictions are promising.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

In 2016 they gave Trump about a third of chance to win, the highest of anyone at the time. This time it looks about one in ten, which is surprisingly too high, but it's still a good chance of him pulling it off and at least getting the electoral college votes.

There is a part of the linked page near the top that links to another page where you can stress yourself out by playing out different likely scenarios. It would be nice if Texas and Arizona flipped blue.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on October 29, 2020, 10:48:49 PM
i think the fact that barrett was willing to be nominated to the supreme court in spite of the obvious cynical and hypocritic politicking bodes poorly for her opinions..

the supreme court is as honorable as it gets in the american judicial branch, but to accept a position coming with such obvious baggage means that she either considers herself above and immune to such lowly disputes-- which appears to me to be naive-- or she sees the politics as normative-- which appears to me to be craven.

i believe the american supreme court is due for overhaul. it isn't working as designed.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on October 29, 2020, 10:49:10 PM
The big picture on that site shows Biden winning IF both Florida and Georgia vote Blue. I have serious doubts that such a thing will happen.  I certainly hope that I am wrong about my assessment.

I have been am interested observer of the number and message of yard signs in my city.  Biden is only slightly ahead in the sign count.  The Trumpites are much more vociferous but not much more in evidence. 

My wife has been a etified volunteer poll watcher at the early voting sites.  We have participated in more than one "Ridin for Biden" caravans.  So far none of the armed militia goons have shown up at the voting places.  My little city is a fairly sophisticated place but the surrounding areas in this county tend toward hard core blue collar.  I predict  a loss in this district but not by a commanding difference.

Meanwhile Trump has managed to beguile the Cuban citizens, most of whom are in the Miami area, so that they are fully in favor of him.  Oddly the Puerto Rican citizens in Florida and the island itself are strongly in favor of Biden.  Go figure.  Our considerable population of Mexican and Guatemalan citizens should , by all odds, hate Trumps guts.

Only five more days of suspense.......or maybe a bit longer on account of the mail in ballots.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on October 30, 2020, 01:58:24 PM
The big picture on that site shows Biden winning IF both Florida and Georgia vote Blue. I have serious doubts that such a thing will happen.  I certainly hope that I am wrong about my assessment.
That's not accurate. There are many combinations to Biden winning that don't include Florida and Georgia. You can use their interactive map to play out those scenarios. If you select Trump getting Fl and GA, it increases his odds to 2016 numbers though. But ultimately, it's just statistical modeling based off of polls. I wouldn't trust it too much, but I trust five thirty eight the most of any of them.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on October 30, 2020, 07:24:12 PM
True Davin. But Florida alone has more than ten percent of the needed 270 electoral college votes. 

The game ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. 
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 01, 2020, 09:26:05 PM
The benefit of winning Florida, North Carolina or Georgia on election night is that it will make it quite unlikely that Trump can overcome a loss in one of those  places.  The earlier the totals come in for those states, the better.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on November 01, 2020, 09:59:43 PM
eastern standard time means that those exit polls will be out first.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on November 03, 2020, 05:30:57 PM
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 03, 2020, 07:21:35 PM
:snicker:
"Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups."
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: xSilverPhinx on November 04, 2020, 12:10:23 AM
*fingers (and toes) crossed*
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on November 04, 2020, 02:26:39 AM
We've had people driving around our redneck-centric town in "parades", blocking traffic and causing all kinds of trouble. Fights and everything. The police had to ride motorcycles up the sidewalks to restore order. I live in one of the safest cities in the US, for its size. Crazy. The line of traffic going up to the store where my son works grid-locked the mall, and some employees sat in the break room for 2 hours after they were off work before they could get out of the parking lot and go home. I really hope Biden wins and these people crawl back under their slime-covered rocks.  >:(
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 04, 2020, 03:47:43 AM
Well, I just got me a bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon from 19--who gives a fuck anymore.
--It's delicious.
Here's to Biden. :cheers:


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The California wildfires have devastated more than four million acres, of which the Glass Fire has scorched more than 67,000 acres, damaging and destroying structures at approximately 30 wineries in Northern California. Fairwinds Estate Winery.Oct 11, 2020
:felix:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on November 04, 2020, 03:50:38 AM
I've been following the election as I'm sure many of you are. What puzzles me is that Trump is getting as many votes as he is. Biden is still in the lead but that may change.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on November 04, 2020, 04:16:30 AM
I've been following the election as I'm sure many of you are. What puzzles me is that Trump is getting as many votes as he is. Biden is still in the lead but that may change.

It's an appalling statement about just what a bunch of shits we have in this country. I grew up in a tiny whites-only town in the middle of nowhere, southern California, with no contact with people color until middle school (junior high, in those days). They were all kept over in another area, close to the minimum-security prison, just off the freeway. I've met many of them since who are way better (and smarter) people than a lot of the white people I know. When I worked in aerospace, I met many people who were smarter than me, many who were POC. This prejudice shit has to stop. I don't expect it ever will, though, people being what they are.  ::)
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Bad Penny II on November 04, 2020, 10:38:56 AM
I've been following the election as I'm sure many of you are. What puzzles me is that Trump is getting as many votes as he is. Biden is still in the lead but that may change.

Hello Randy.
Trump is like masturbation
Na na na na
OK, Voting Trump is like picking your nose, when quizzed on it many deny it.
You just don't know how many are out there. :unsure:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Bad Penny II on November 04, 2020, 11:20:58 AM
I've been following the election as I'm sure many of you are. What puzzles me is that Trump is getting as many votes as he is. Biden is still in the lead but that may change.

It's an appalling statement about just what a bunch of shits we have in this country. I grew up in a tiny whites-only town in the middle of nowhere, southern California, with no contact with people color until middle school (junior high, in those days). They were all kept over in another area, close to the minimum-security prison, just off the freeway. I've met many of them since who are way better (and smarter) people than a lot of the white people I know. When I worked in aerospace, I met many people who were smarter than me, many who were POC. This prejudice shit has to stop. I don't expect it ever will, though, people being what they are.  ::)

I'm not sure if the problem with Trump voters is they like his racist stuff or they're willing to overlook it.
Or the other stuff, do the like him groping unconsenting females or do they overlook it?
do they like him fucking up on Covid or do they overlook it?
I don't know,
You've said "I don't know" now you supposed to wink and proclaim some bullshit that appeals to your creepy folowers
Ye, that's a skill isn't it, harder than it looks.

There was Nixon, doesn't seem so bad now.
Regan, a major joke at the time
The first George seemed kinda normal so he only got one term
The second George, WTF how could you guys vote for this clown, ye he started some wars but, he didn't mean it...
Trump, he has taken fuckedupadness to a new level, we thought it couldn't get worse than George W but it did.  I see a downward trend here, I wonder what your next Republican Prez will do to.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on November 04, 2020, 04:21:05 PM
if trump wins , he will define republican politics for the foreseeable future. tge next republican will be be trump, the sequel . . .

very clearly we dont know what is going on in this country. trump isnt the problem, hes just the foam on top of the septic tank. the issue is that the tank filled up and there doesnt seem to be a good way to unclog it
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 04, 2020, 04:53:20 PM
Trump is the middle finger of the white, non-college educated working class.  They don't care if he is nasty - middle fingers are supposed to be nasty.  They are, through their leader, giving the finger to the evolution of modern society.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on November 04, 2020, 05:48:06 PM
they are modern society.

that's the problem, bruce. they are the direction we're heading.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on November 04, 2020, 11:07:33 PM
My wife has been a volunteer poll watcher at several different locations.  She began to tell me that she could recognize a Trump voter.  Turns out that she can do that  by merely assessing the persons appearance and demeanor. We have a diverse society here in and around my little city. 

Some sections of the area are more educated than others,  Not necessarily more affluent than the neighborhoods where the plumbers and brick layers live. .  Elaine told me which direction the votes would go in the different places where she served. She pegged the voters at the church polling place in a blue collar area as Trump people.  She was right again.  In an in between polling place she called it a near tie. That was true.  She mistook a law enforcement officer as a Trumper. He was not. That is one of the few misses that she made. 

It has been a fun game with her.  she took her job seriously however.  Sitting in the same damned observers chair for hours leaves one some time to speculate about  the outcome within a particular segment of society.

I do not fault or lack respect those Plumbers and brick layers or any of the other people who participated in the election process.  I do not agree with most of them. I am aware that they are merely following the mind set that they have accumulated through misinformation, peer pressure, believing that socialism is the same as communism, or what the preacher tells them. 

Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on November 05, 2020, 12:23:24 AM
where i live people have not been well served by any administration of any kind.

in coal country, both republican and democratic administrations abandoned the region to resource colonialism, essentially. when coal went away, there was nothing-- no other work, no other industry, no infrastructure.

support for trump in appalachia is all about supporting the wrecking ball to remove the oppressors. to the people here, they ve seen nothing BUT oppressors, for generations.

i don't agree with their reasoning, but they don't feel like they have anywhere to go, so dismantling the system is as good a start as any.

biden is six electoral votes from winning, with six states left. trump has to win them all to reach 271 votes.

if biden wins a single additional state, its over.

my wife lost her bid for congress again. she took 28 percent of the vote compared to her do-nothing opponent's 72. still, 29,000 people here wanted to send her to washington.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 05, 2020, 12:56:17 AM
^^^Thanks for sharing this. I'm sorry to hear this. I hope things get better for the Appalachian people.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on November 05, 2020, 06:41:55 AM
theyre still living in a temporary extractive economy.

first coal, now oil.

when oil is gone, there will be nothing again.

and the government wont care, again.

its a placecwith strong people, a rich and  fierce culture.

but poor prospects
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tank on November 05, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
The trouble with oil is that we can't extract all that we have already found and still stop global warming. Unless we extract it slowly over a long time and use it to create recyclable plastic rather than burn for power.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Bad Penny II on November 05, 2020, 12:48:04 PM
The trouble with oil is that we can't extract all that we have already found and still stop global warming. Unless we extract it slowly over a long time and use it to create recyclable plastic rather than burn for power.








You've quoted Tank an hour ago but you haven't said anything.
Oh ye, keyboard, wayward depression, beer.
So I'll tell them that?
Ye, No.  I said something that would have sorted everything out but: Vogon Constructor Fleet!
I don't think so, not this decade,, century.

I got shut down by Oil/Coal bastards.
That's better

Bad Penny II's reply to Tank trod on the toes of feet the purpose of which is the stamping out of all opposition, so it has been removed, you can't see it, it was really good though.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on November 05, 2020, 01:24:38 PM
plastic is the best use chemicals as well but we're not good with those either

appalachia used to be heavy metal industry too, iron and steel, because the coal was here. but that went overseas

we're leading in drug overdoses tho
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 06, 2020, 01:45:12 PM
What disappoints me is the number of Latinos in Texas who went for Trump.  They basically handed him the victory here.  The GOP successfully tattooed the Dems with the "Socialist" label and it apparently scared Cubans in Florida and Tex-Mex Latinos here.   
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on November 06, 2020, 03:02:07 PM
I don't really understand anybody but some old white people voting for the chump. Hell, I would NEVER vote for that joker. Even if I am an old white man. Biden's ahead in every state that hasn't finished counting ballots!  :dance:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on November 06, 2020, 04:35:22 PM
Biden pulled ahead in Georgia, but there's very likely to be a recount.

Biden's pulling ahead in PA as expected, and if he can get over the 0.5% recount threshold, then the state will go to Biden.

Trump still might get AZ, but it's unlikely. And I really hope not even if Biden wins without AZ, I really want this state to turn away from Republicans. But at least we told McSally no yet again. Maybe she'll get the hint this time.

NV is expected to go Biden as well.

I'm now lees worried about the votes, and more worried about unprecedented shenanigans from Republicans.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on November 06, 2020, 05:49:51 PM
Looks like that we've got a winner. It is not official yet, but I'm pretty sure that Biden has won.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on November 06, 2020, 06:50:40 PM
Even after all the dishonest shit the Republicans did through voter suppression, voter intimidation, disenfranchising voters, lying, etc. they didn't get the presidency. Unfortunately they still got a lot of state level seats.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 06, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
And they will litigate and create chaos as long as possible.  But Biden will win.  I believe.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on November 06, 2020, 11:32:24 PM
What will the litigation and chaos buy them? Especially when the accusations are unfounded. The best they can do is delay the inevitable with recounts.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on November 07, 2020, 01:56:41 AM
Frightened little trumpanzees are having a frenzied meltdown as there kings kool aid bowl is running dry.

How will they get on with life? Who will tell them what to think? And when to think it? Who will console their fragile little ego? Who will favor them for being such perfect little lapdogs?
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Sandra Craft on November 07, 2020, 03:19:21 AM
And they will litigate and create chaos as long as possible.  But Biden will win.  I believe.

I'm not celebrating until after the EC votes.  They screwed us over once, they can do it again.  The 2016 election had a total of 7 "faithless electors" (5 of them Dems) who voted for candidates not even on the ballot, wasting their votes on symbolism. 
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on November 07, 2020, 03:54:13 AM
I am of the same set of fears Sandy.  If the blue side does not receive well past the obligatory 270, there is at least some possibility that the EC could blow up the whole damned process.

Some positive arguments can be made for the Electoral College system.  On the other hand It is hard for me to grant Wyoming or South Dakota as much deciding power as Texas, California, or Florida.

Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Recusant on November 07, 2020, 03:58:18 AM
If he's still around in four years, it wouldn't surprise me if he's on the Republican ticket.

In fact I expect that if the machinery works the way it's intended and he leaves in January, it will be as a candidate for 2024. Why not? It will give him a considerable level of gratification to continue to get constant attention from the media and bask in the slavish devotion of the Trumpists.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 07, 2020, 07:07:02 AM
What disappoints me is the number of Latinos in Texas who went for Trump.  They basically handed him the victory here.  The GOP successfully tattooed the Dems with the "Socialist" label and it apparently scared Cubans in Florida and Tex-Mex Latinos here.
I'm disappointed, as well. I don't understand why. As a Latina, I apologize for this. Only bad words come to mind if I try to find the words to describe The Latino Trump Supporters. Sadly, they sell their soul thinking they will be accepted by those who hate them and the sad truth is that most of the time they are never accepted, and the other side now sees them as traitors. Traitors to their honor, self-respect, traditions, and dignity.

We need to do a lot of work in that area.  :felix:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Randy on November 07, 2020, 04:39:05 PM
Now that Biden has won I expect Trump to go out like a spoiled brat kicking and screaming.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tank on November 07, 2020, 04:52:38 PM
Now that Biden has won I expect Trump to go out like a spoiled brat kicking and screaming.

I don't doubt it.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 07, 2020, 05:58:35 PM
Now that Biden has won I expect Trump to go out like a spoiled brat kicking and screaming.
I'm so happy...
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Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 07, 2020, 06:39:06 PM
Now that Biden has won I expect Trump to go out like a spoiled brat kicking and screaming.

I don't doubt it.

I can see it...
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Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: No one on November 07, 2020, 07:24:17 PM
Il douché will be weeping!
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 07, 2020, 08:24:06 PM
Il douché will be weeping!
Poor thing...Here you go, you son of a b****.
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Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Recusant on November 07, 2020, 09:57:36 PM
Just in case a Trumpist happens to look in, I decided it would be best to spoiler this. Don't want to give them nightmares.  :snicker1:

Uncle Joe ;-): ShowHide
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Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 07, 2020, 10:49:35 PM
YES!!!!! Our dark night is almost over.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on November 08, 2020, 04:34:57 AM
I watched the speeches. I've also been around the internet and seen that the "Donald" refuses to concede, and that people are worried. All kinds of scenarios about CIA and military involvement were mentioned. Neither the CIA or the military would be involved with removal of the Child in Chief. Once the new president is sworn in next January, any unwelcome (including EX-Presidents) persons in the White House will be removed by the US Secret Service.

I'd pay money to watch that sorry sack of McBurgers dragged out.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tank on November 08, 2020, 05:11:52 AM
I have a feeling, just a feeling, that Trump may never set foot in the Whitehouse again. He ran away. He is a bully and we know that bullies are cowards. He can't and won't face the truth of the fact he's a loser who has been fired. He simply doesn't have the guts to face Washington where people will be pointing and laughing for all they are worth. He may well simply retreat into denial behind an army of lawyers and spit via twitter.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on November 08, 2020, 06:32:52 AM
The last apearences of Trump made him look like a bad parody of himself.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Asmodean on November 08, 2020, 01:09:09 PM
I think it's safe to congratulate President-elect Biden and those who wanted for him to win.

From an ocean away, I don't think he was a good choice, but then, neither was re-electing president Trump (if in different ways - with a substantial overlap) Still, I will resist getting into the question of "lesser evil" until Mr. Biden has been in the office for some time.

That said and done, I think calling for a re-count in places where the difference between the two candidates was slim is prudent, as is the investigation of any impropriety as long as all parties accept any legitimate findings of such an investigation, whatever they may be. That is not to overturn the results or stick it to one camp or the other, but to protect the system, such that as close as possible to every legitimate vote gets counted exactly once, and as close as possible to none of the illegitimate votes do.

I suspect that it will turn into a symphony of virtue-signalling, political machinations and catchy one-liners, but such are humans... The world could use a few more Asmos, if you ask The Asmo... But nobody does.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on November 08, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
I have a feeling, just a feeling, that Trump may never set foot in the Whitehouse again. He ran away. He is a bully and we know that bullies are cowards. He can't and won't face the truth of the fact he's a loser who has been fired. He simply doesn't have the guts to face Washington where people will be pointing and laughing for all they are worth. He may well simply retreat into denial behind an army of lawyers and spit via twitter.

Well, Steve Bannon got kicked off twitter. I think once Trump isn't president, they'll give him the boot, too. I certainly wouldn't provide the jerk with a free platform to spread his lies. Make him buy his own Völkischer Beobachter to spew from.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Asmodean on November 09, 2020, 02:07:16 PM
Well, Steve Bannon got kicked off twitter. I think once Trump isn't president, they'll give him the boot, too. I certainly wouldn't provide the jerk with a free platform to spread his lies. Make him buy his own Völkischer Beobachter to spew from.
I find that attitude deeply disagreeable. Every bit as deeply so, in fact, as I find spreading misinformation. Which platform should you be banned from for that?

(It's a rhetorical question - I wouldn't de-platform you for your attitude any more than I would de-platform Mr. Bannon for his "wrongthink." Still, the question is worth pondering)
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on November 09, 2020, 03:12:08 PM
From an ocean away, I don't think he was a good choice, but then, neither was re-electing president Trump (if in different ways - with a substantial overlap) Still, I will resist getting into the question of "lesser evil" until Mr. Biden has been in the office for some time.
There is enough to know now that Biden is the better choice. Not the best choice if we're fantasizing, but the best choice of the options available. Which is no different than any other choice in life.

Quote from: Asmodean
That said and done, I think calling for a re-count in places where the difference between the two candidates was slim is prudent, as is the investigation of any impropriety as long as all parties accept any legitimate findings of such an investigation, whatever they may be. That is not to overturn the results or stick it to one camp or the other, but to protect the system, such that as close as possible to every legitimate vote gets counted exactly once, and as close as possible to none of the illegitimate votes do.
So far, all of the illegitimate votes, were from people trying to vote twice for Trump. And like every other election before, the amount was so small as to not really matter in the end. Voter fraud is extremely rare, and even if not caught would have virtually no impact. Election fraud on the other hand does have an impact. Things like the USPS not looking for 300,000 votes that they lost and refusing a court order to do so. In the past there have been instances of election fraud committed by democrats, however there have been found instances of election fraud committed by Republicans in every election year for the last few decades. That doesn't even count the legally permitted shenanigans. And there were representative observers for Trump that were in the rooms during the counting of the votes.

The republicans had several bills voted on and ready to take to the Senate for years that would have helped maintain election security from both foreign and domestic influences and they decided to take no action. Thankfully though this year, there was a lot more mail in voting which meant more on paper which are more difficult to fudge.

The only state right now where a recount is likely to shift in Trump's favor is Georgia, and with 8k votes to make up, it's not likely. And even if done and does somehow go to Trump, Trump still loses. At some point, it's just a waste of time and money, just like doing recounts in 2016 would have just been a waste of time and money.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Asmodean on November 09, 2020, 03:41:49 PM
At some point, it's just a waste of time and money, just like doing recounts in 2016 would have just been a waste of time and money.
Not as long as the condition of all sides accepting the findings of an investigation holds. In practice, I think it's not likely, but as a matter of principle, the investigations should proceed.

There is enough to know now that Biden is the better choice.
That's a matter of opinion. What if over half my vote is based on Nationalism and economic protectionism? Is Mr. Biden still a better choice?

Maybe it will turn out that he is. As I said in this thread or the other one where I currently do politics, I reserve judgement until Mr. Biden has been in the office for some time.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on November 09, 2020, 04:11:44 PM
At some point, it's just a waste of time and money, just like doing recounts in 2016 would have just been a waste of time and money.
Not as long as the condition of all sides accepting the findings of an investigation holds. In practice, I think it's not likely, but as a matter of principle, the investigations should proceed.
In general, there are usually investigations still done when there is evidence called for. Republicans denied the results of multiple investigations that showed that Russia had interfered on behalf of Trump. So I don't it's likely they would listen to the results if it turned out Republicans were helped by interference and fraud.

Quote from: Asmodean
There is enough to know now that Biden is the better choice.
That's a matter of opinion. What if over half my vote is based on Nationalism and economic protectionism? Is Mr. Biden still a better choice?
Yes. Even if you agree with your favorite proponent of nationalism and economic protectionism at one time, it's better to not have that person in power over you in lieu of a person that will protect (or in the least not infringe on), their reasonable freedoms.

Quote from: Asmodean
Maybe it will turn out that he is. As I said in this thread or the other one where I currently do politics, I reserve judgement until Mr. Biden has been in the office for some time.
We had a history of Trump's behavior before he became president and Trump did not betray that in action as president. We have a history of Biden in political offices, and it's unlikely he will shift too far from that. We already have years of evidence with which to make judgments. It's good to both make judgments and also to allow those judgments to be changed based on new evidence.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Dark Lightning on November 09, 2020, 04:40:33 PM
Well, Steve Bannon got kicked off twitter. I think once Trump isn't president, they'll give him the boot, too. I certainly wouldn't provide the jerk with a free platform to spread his lies. Make him buy his own Völkischer Beobachter to spew from.
I find that attitude deeply disagreeable. Every bit as deeply so, in fact, as I find spreading misinformation. Which platform should you be banned from for that?

(It's a rhetorical question - I wouldn't de-platform you for your attitude any more than I would de-platform Mr. Bannon for his "wrongthink." Still, the question is worth pondering)

I'm sure Trump can find a place and his worshippers will flock to it. He can even control it so that any negative comments made can be deleted by him. Same goes for Bannon. I don't spread misinformation or racist rhetoric, so I'm in no danger of having a platform removed from under me. Twitter doesn't have to support anyone's first amendment rights, and that goes for anyone, not just Trump or Bannon. I'm only here for the fun company, and have already gotten into politics further than I like.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Asmodean on November 09, 2020, 04:49:24 PM
I'm sure Trump can find a place and his worshippers will flock to it. He can even control it so that any negative comments made can be deleted by him. Same goes for Bannon. I don't spread misinformation or racist rhetoric, so I'm in no danger of having a platform removed from under me. Twitter doesn't have to support anyone's first amendment rights, and that goes for anyone, not just Trump or Bannon. I'm only here for the fun company, and have already gotten into politics further than I like.
As I said, I was being rhetorical, so my response was not an attempt at a stab in your general direction. I am not making a 1st amendment argument either - we don't have one. My constitution does state that the freedom of expression (therein speech) should be respected, but what's more, my world view does the same; if it's an opinion (even be it a minority opinion) then far be it for me to suppress it.

We had a history of Trump's behavior before he became president and Trump did not betray that in action as president. We have a history of Biden in political offices, and it's unlikely he will shift too far from that. We already have years of evidence with which to make judgments. It's good to both make judgments and also to allow those judgments to be changed based on new evidence.
I'm not suggesting that someone with more knowledge of the two could not make an informed judgement - just saying that my judgement is reserved for the lack of input.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Recusant on November 18, 2020, 10:02:58 PM
What disappoints me is the number of Latinos in Texas who went for Trump.  They basically handed him the victory here.  The GOP successfully tattooed the Dems with the "Socialist" label and it apparently scared Cubans in Florida and Tex-Mex Latinos here.
I'm disappointed, as well. I don't understand why. As a Latina, I apologize for this. Only bad words come to mind if I try to find the words to describe The Latino Trump Supporters. Sadly, they sell their soul thinking they will be accepted by those who hate them and the sad truth is that most of the time they are never accepted, and the other side now sees them as traitors. Traitors to their honor, self-respect, traditions, and dignity.

We need to do a lot of work in that area.  :felix:

I thought of these posts when I read an article about the political culture of the Rio Grande Valley.

"Trump Didn’t Win the Latino Vote in Texas. He Won the Tejano Vote." | Politico (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/17/trump-latinos-south-texas-tejanos-437027)

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Of all the results from the November 3 election, few drew as much attention from national political observers as what happened in a quiet county on the banks of the Rio Grande River. Donald Trump became the first Republican presidential candidate to win Zapata County’s vote in a hundred years. But it wasn’t its turn from a deep-blue history that seemed to be the source of such fascination but rather that, according to the census, more than 94 percent of Zapata’s population is Hispanic or Latino.

Zapata (population less than 15,000) was the only county in South Texas that flipped red, but it was by no means an anomaly: To the north, in more than 95-percent Hispanic Webb County, Republicans doubled their turnout. To the south, Starr County, which is more than 96-percent Hispanic, experienced the single biggest tilt right of any place in the country; Republicans gained by 55 percentage points compared with 2016. The results across a region that most politicos ignored in their preelection forecasts ended up helping to dash any hopes Democrats had of taking Texas.

To many outsiders, these results were confounding: How could Trump, one of the most virulently anti-immigrant leaders, make inroads with so many Latinos, and along the Mexican border no less?

In Zapata, however, these questions have been met with mild chuckles to outright frustration. The shift, residents and scholars of the region say, shouldn’t be surprising if, instead of thinking in terms of ethnic identity, you consider the economic and cultural issues that are specific to the people who live there. Although the vast majority of people in these counties mark “Hispanic or Latino” on paper, very few long-term residents have ever used the word “Latino” to describe themselves. Ascribing Trump’s success in South Texas to his campaign winning more of “the Latino vote” makes the same mistake as the Democrats did in this election: Treating Latinos as a monolith.

[Continues . . . (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/17/trump-latinos-south-texas-tejanos-437027)]
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Icarus on November 18, 2020, 11:40:36 PM
The Cuban population of Florida went all out for Trump.  They apparently put aside Trumps anti immigrant, anti Hispanic,  position.  Instead they may have been taken in by the claims that Biden and the whole De,ocratic party are socialists.  Problem is that the term "socialist"  is misunderstood and incorrectly equated with communism.  No wonder that the Cubans are opposed to communism, what with history of the the Fidel Castro regime and all.

Not just the Cubans. The socialist label is not well enough understood by the great unwashed or the ones Hillary called "Deplorables". Socialism: n 1. A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the community as a whole should own and control the means of production, distribution, and exchange. 


 Does that general idea already exist and is much approved by the citizens in your town or city?  How about your fire department, police department. sewage disposal facility?  You do have local rule for such things do you not?   The City Council that has a hand in operating the facilities of so many towns and cities are examples of socialistic structure.   

Another generality for socialism is that it is a function, or a business of some sort, that is owned, financed, and operated by the government.  The Interstate highway system falls into that category.  There is the Social Security agency, and Medicare of course.  Those entities  enjoy approval by most of us. National Parks anyone? 

We already practice Socialism and it is working reasonably well.   
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 19, 2020, 12:25:41 AM
What disappoints me is the number of Latinos in Texas who went for Trump.  They basically handed him the victory here.  The GOP successfully tattooed the Dems with the "Socialist" label and it apparently scared Cubans in Florida and Tex-Mex Latinos here.
I'm disappointed, as well. I don't understand why. As a Latina, I apologize for this. Only bad words come to mind if I try to find the words to describe The Latino Trump Supporters. Sadly, they sell their soul thinking they will be accepted by those who hate them and the sad truth is that most of the time they are never accepted, and the other side now sees them as traitors. Traitors to their honor, self-respect, traditions, and dignity.

We need to do a lot of work in that area.  :felix:

I thought of these posts when I read an article about the political culture of the Rio Grande Valley.

"Trump Didn’t Win the Latino Vote in Texas. He Won the Tejano Vote." | Politico (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/17/trump-latinos-south-texas-tejanos-437027)

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Of all the results from the November 3 election, few drew as much attention from national political observers as what happened in a quiet county on the banks of the Rio Grande River. Donald Trump became the first Republican presidential candidate to win Zapata County’s vote in a hundred years. But it wasn’t its turn from a deep-blue history that seemed to be the source of such fascination but rather that, according to the census, more than 94 percent of Zapata’s population is Hispanic or Latino.

Zapata (population less than 15,000) was the only county in South Texas that flipped red, but it was by no means an anomaly: To the north, in more than 95-percent Hispanic Webb County, Republicans doubled their turnout. To the south, Starr County, which is more than 96-percent Hispanic, experienced the single biggest tilt right of any place in the country; Republicans gained by 55 percentage points compared with 2016. The results across a region that most politicos ignored in their preelection forecasts ended up helping to dash any hopes Democrats had of taking Texas.

To many outsiders, these results were confounding: How could Trump, one of the most virulently anti-immigrant leaders, make inroads with so many Latinos, and along the Mexican border no less?

In Zapata, however, these questions have been met with mild chuckles to outright frustration. The shift, residents, and scholars of the region say, shouldn’t be surprising if, instead of thinking in terms of ethnic identity, you consider the economic and cultural issues that are specific to the people who live there. Although the vast majority of people in these counties mark “Hispanic or Latino” on paper, very few long-term residents have ever used the word “Latino” to describe themselves. Ascribing Trump’s success in South Texas to his campaign winning more of “the Latino vote” makes the same mistake as the Democrats did in this election: Treating Latinos as a monolith.

[Continues . . . (https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/17/trump-latinos-south-texas-tejanos-437027)]


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Ross Barrera, a retired U.S. Army colonel and chair of the Starr County Republican Party, put it this way: “It’s the national media that uses ‘Latino.’ It bundles us up with Florida, Doral, Miami. But those places are different than South Texas, and South Texas is different than Los Angeles. Here, people don’t say we’re Mexican American. We say we’re Tejanos.”

True.

In LA, some people who were born here from Mexican parents call themselves: Pochos, Chicanos, Mexico-Americanos, etc. They speak English and lack fluency in Spanish. Pero son bastante Mexicanos en sus costumbres.

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Nearly everyone speaks Spanish, but many regard themselves as red-blooded Americans above anything else.
Well...on paper, yes.
To an LAPD officer, they don't look like a red-blooded American.
 :smileshake:

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 (Even while 94 percent of Zapata residents count their ethnicity as Hispanic/Latino on the census, 98 percent of the population marks their race as white.)
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Ok.
This sucks!

Let me explain why it's 98%...
I filled out the census this year. My choices for the race are: white, white, or white if I'm not something else. Meaning, They don't consider Latinoamericano a race. To them, Latino is an ethnicity, so we mark Hispanic, for ethnicity and we have everything just like everyone else to pick from when it comes to race, but in my case, because I'm not Filipino, or black, or Aztec, my only option is to mark, of "white" race. I don't think El Salvador is a completely white race.  :notsure:

Interesting article, I don't know much about Tejanos, but I do know that their ancestors did not cross the border, the border crossed them.
 :devil2:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: billy rubin on November 19, 2020, 05:00:01 AM
. . . this idea that americans must be white or native english speakers is weird to me. sure, i have ancestors that came over to the north america on the mayflower. some 400 years ago.

but the america i know and and identify with is an indian and spanish and gringo culture, some 1500 miles west from all that english bullshit.

i don't know shit about those 13 colonies on the atlantic ocean. i know more about the prairies of oklahoma, the bufflalo wallows, the indian allotments,  the chickasaw and cherokee nations, the land rushes across the unallocated lands across the south canadian river. my grandparents were married in indian territory, not more than 1000 feet from where i was born after the territory became the united states.

the first non indian language spoken in oklahoma was spanish, not this english bullshit. and spanish is what everybody i knew in california spoke as well.

i don't care what language they speak or what color their skin is. if they share my fucking country, then theyre americans.
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Magdalena on November 19, 2020, 05:49:57 AM
^^^
I'm just waiting for aliens to come live here that way I'm just gonna mark the box: Human Race.
 :reading:
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Tom62 on November 19, 2020, 01:09:06 PM
I read somewhere, that at some point in history German was considered as the official language of the USA. Turned out that this is a myth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhlenberg_legend).
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Davin on November 19, 2020, 03:30:28 PM
Socialist doesn't even really fit Biden or Harris, they are just right of center. Sure they support a few socialist institutions, but so too do people who are far right. The reality is that Biden is about as conservative as Reagan was, and even voted for many of those conservative policies (back then, those policies weren't all that bad and some were even good). The problem is that the right has no issues lying to people, and why not when there are no bad consequences but it helps them out?
Title: Re: Why I'm voting for Biden
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on November 19, 2020, 04:21:51 PM
I don't know much about Tejanos, but I do know that their ancestors did not cross the border, the border crossed them.
 :devil2:

True. Ever since Cabeza de Vaca wandered across south Texas in the 1500s, there has been a Latino presence here (I'm using that word since I don't know what else to use).  They had missions and settlements and trade routes all through Texas, and this was clearly part of Spain and then Mexico.  Whites really didn't start coming here until the 1800s.  After the Texas Revolution in 1836, there was a dispute about where the border with Mexico was.  That was finally settled after the war between the US and Mexico in 1848 - it's the middle of the Rio Grande. So all those of Latino ethnicity were now part of the US and the state of Texas.  In fact, New Mexico, Arizona and California all became part of the US, so the Latinos in those states experienced the same thing.  Now, many Tejanos fought along side whites in the Texas Revolution, and some of them are considered heroes here today.  They see themselves as having an even deeper heritage than whites in Texas. So I can see the point of the article.

If you travel in Texas, once you get to San Antonio and go south, it's really a Latino or Tejano culture. Spanish is spoken probably more than English, and it's just a different feel.  I love it and feel at home with it since I grew up here.  But I still think many whites have a hard time accepting them as true "Americans", even though they have been here longer than we have.