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General => Politics => Topic started by: Tank on April 15, 2017, 06:50:54 AM

Title: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Tank on April 15, 2017, 06:50:54 AM
North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39604361)

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North Korea has warned the US not to take provocative action in the region, saying it is "ready to hit back with nuclear attacks".

The comments came as North Korea marked the 105th anniversary of the birth of its founding president, Kim Il-sung.

Soldiers, tanks and other military hardware were paraded in Pyongyang in a show of strength on Saturday.

It comes amid speculation that the current leader, Kim Jong-un, could order another nuclear test.

"We're prepared to respond to an all-out war with an all-out war," North Korean military official Choe Ryong-Hae said, adding: "We are ready to hit back with nuclear attacks of our own style against any nuclear attacks."

Samsumg shares could be adversely effected. So it probably won't happen.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2017, 08:11:04 AM
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"We're prepared to respond to an all-out war with an all-out war," ...

Their definition of "an all-out war" is important here.

Trump's been in office for less than four months and we are on the edge of disaster!

Somebody shoot him, please!!

Pence might be shit for America but I doubt the he can be so incompetent as to start WW3.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Tank on April 15, 2017, 08:18:31 AM
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"We're prepared to respond to an all-out war with an all-out war," ...

Their definition of "an all-out war" is important here.

Trump's been in office for less than four months and we are on the edge of disaster!

Somebody shoot him, please!!

Pence might be shit for America but I doubt the he can be so incompetent as to start WW3.

Trump has worked out that he's Supreme Commander. The US government can only slap his wrists after he's done what he wanted.

I wonder how the Russians that put him in power feel about him now?
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2017, 08:36:25 AM
According to the BBC the NKs are now saying they will, "retaliate in kind if attacked".

If accurate that is a considerable change of tone if it were any other country. Though memory tells me that they always leave a wsy out of their threats.

Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Tank on April 15, 2017, 08:55:38 AM
According to the BBC the NKs are now saying they will, "retaliate in kind if attacked".

If accurate that is a considerable change of tone if it were any other country. Though memory tells me that they always leave a wsy out of their threats.
Trouble is that they can't attack the USA so they'll attack South Korea. And South Korea makes huge amounts of IC's used in virtually all electronic devices. Because of the nature of electronic manufacturing today 99% of chips are ordered to JIT (Just In Time) delivery. No significant stocks are held in the production flow. If war breaks out the electronics manufacturing industry will stop within 5 to 10 working days. As pretty much all consumer goods contain electronics nowadays the world economy will stop dead in 10 to 15 days. It'll make the 2008 financial crisis look like a walk in the park.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2017, 09:16:32 AM
Oh, shit.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Arturo on April 15, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
Then everybody will hate North Korea. Like literally everyone.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Dave on April 15, 2017, 05:51:12 PM
Then everybody will hate North Korea. Like literally everyone.
Except those in the Chinese chip fabs.

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3nzeLVw.jpg&hash=d931cbe80dde5ba441eda2295a5bc00c7be9ace4)

Actually Wiki  (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants)lists not that many in SK.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Arturo on April 15, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
Then everybody will hate North Korea. Like literally everyone.
Except those in the Chinese chip fabs.

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F3nzeLVw.jpg&hash=d931cbe80dde5ba441eda2295a5bc00c7be9ace4)

Actually Wiki  (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants)lists not that many in SK.

It's weird that we are listed as number 2. I'm not used to the USA being talked as point for jobs or that we have a technology center point. I do know we have a lot of service jobs as the main factor contributing to our gdp, and overwhelmingly so.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Icarus on April 16, 2017, 12:47:46 AM
Not to worry too much about the production of Integrated circuit boards. Yes the South Koreans do furnish a substantial proportion of the total number produced.  The US, UK, France, Germany, Finland, Sweden, Norway, and several others are eminently capable of filling the pipeline with whatever printed circuits the free world might need or want.  The SKs are good at it but they are only one of the sources. Actually the Chinese are the most conspicuous producers of electronic gadgetry. Damned near everything electronic is likely to have a tiny label that says made in China.

We can do without China too. Our production will cost more but the output will be more than sufficient and of superior quality. I have been marginally involved in the  micro electronics and circuit board industry. I do know something about our production capacity here and elsewhere.

I am all in favor of protecting the South Koreans from the lunatic NKs  as best we can. If the SKs are temporarily  prevented from making washing machines like my LG example with its matched twin dryer, we will not be too much inconvenienced.

To start a real war by the lunatic NK guy with the funny haircut would be more deranged than is imaginable. Anything is possible of course. The NK has a huge military complex that can, and likely would be, essentially destroyed by the most powerful military complex in the history of the world. Not with a ground war this time. Marquis de Queensbury fighting is passe' and stupid. War is a win or die situation. Do those crazy NK fuckers really want to see  who has the most marbles??  Let us hope not.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on April 16, 2017, 02:53:54 AM
NK is a problem that will have to be dealt with decisively, and the sooner the better.  The longer we wait the more the more weapons they will have. The trajectory is not in our favor.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Tom62 on April 16, 2017, 05:52:42 AM
NK is a problem that will have to be dealt with decisively, and the sooner the better.  The longer we wait the more the more weapons they will have. The trajectory is not in our favor.

The same could be said about Donald Trump's America.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Arturo on April 16, 2017, 06:06:33 AM
Send in, Dwayne Johnson. Drop an elbow from a HALO and he will instantly wipe out the whole country. Rocky! Rocky! Rocky!
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Tank on April 16, 2017, 07:48:50 AM
Not to worry too much about the production of Integrated circuit boards...
It's not so much the boards that are the issue as the integrated circuits that are on them. There is spare capacity for circuit board assembly all over the world. But starting up IC fabrication lines isn't so simple. You are right in that the world would fill in the gaps but the economic impact would still be huge.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Magdalena on April 16, 2017, 07:50:21 AM
NK is a problem that will have to be dealt with decisively, and the sooner the better.  The longer we wait the more the more weapons they will have. The trajectory is not in our favor.

The same could be said about Donald Trump's America.

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Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2017, 09:21:48 AM
Well, now their much vaunted new missile has failed Kim Jong-un will have lost face, not a good thing in that part of the world and especially for one regarded as a near deity.

Will it shut him up? Will the failure be due to the Americans, somehow? Will it make matters better, worse or just postpone things?

We live in interesting times...
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Dave on April 16, 2017, 01:30:15 PM
Conspiracy theory now has it that the US are hacking NK's missile launch systems to cause the failures . . .
(Commentator on BBC news)

The Daily Express (nearly as reliable as the Daily Mail) says (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/792502/North-Korea-failed-missile-test-computer-hackers-sabotage-Sir-Malcolm-Rifkind-Kim-Jong-un)

Though the NYT has this (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/04/world/asia/north-korea-missile-program-sabotage.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0) to say.
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Ecurb Noselrub on April 16, 2017, 03:23:33 PM
NK is a problem that will have to be dealt with decisively, and the sooner the better.  The longer we wait the more the more weapons they will have. The trajectory is not in our favor.

The same could be said about Donald Trump's America.

The trajectory of Donald Trump's America is 4 years long.  Then something can be done about it, if not sooner, through legal means.  Not the same in NK.  And if you are comparing America with NK, not much I can do to help. 
Title: Re: North Korea 'ready for nuclear attack' amid show of force
Post by: Davin on April 17, 2017, 03:19:19 PM
NK is a problem that will have to be dealt with decisively, and the sooner the better.  The longer we wait the more the more weapons they will have. The trajectory is not in our favor.

The same could be said about Donald Trump's America.

The trajectory of Donald Trump's America is 4 years long.  Then something can be done about it, if not sooner, through legal means.  Not the same in NK.  And if you are comparing America with NK, not much I can do to help.
Something legal will only happen if the Republicans lose the majority of seats.