Hello there, my fellow happy atheists.
I recently earned my 10th post honorary HAF badge, and that makes me happy indeed. But...you know what would make me even happier? If you all went and watched my little animated YouTube show!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuXrhN8f-Rs
It's called Puppet Opinions. I've done three episodes so far. For a while I was just doing it for fun, but now I'm working on a kickstarter.com proposal for it. What do you all think, could I make actual money doing this? The next episode will have better animation and jazz muzak.
Love it! Posted on fb already!
Still seems to me like you're here simply to pimp the show. But since another mod has already allowed the post, I'll let it slide and hope you prove me wrong.
I enjoy a good sects joke. ;D
Quote from: McQ on April 09, 2012, 03:32:03 AM
Still seems to me like you're here simply to pimp the show. But since another mod has already allowed the post, I'll let it slide and hope you prove me wrong.
I assure you: I may not be the chattiest guy in the world, but I'll be contributing for real, getting involved and discussing stuff.
Besides, the show IS me discussing things. Entertainment is my preferred language. Think of each episode as a post--write your opinions and we can talk more in depth about the stuff I animate. :)
I'm hooked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUPTXYuGEo
Are you using a voice actor or is that you?
Great stuff
Mature, funny, balanced.
Love it!
Quote from: cgmccall on April 09, 2012, 04:04:28 AM
Quote from: McQ on April 09, 2012, 03:32:03 AM
Still seems to me like you're here simply to pimp the show. But since another mod has already allowed the post, I'll let it slide and hope you prove me wrong.
I assure you: I may not be the chattiest guy in the world, but I'll be contributing for real, getting involved and discussing stuff.
Besides, the show IS me discussing things. Entertainment is my preferred language. Think of each episode as a post--write your opinions and we can talk more in depth about the stuff I animate. :)
Ok, cool. Thanks for the assurance. I've yet to watch the clip, but will make it a point to look in on it. Seems like it's a hit with the other folks so far.
Quote from: Tank on April 09, 2012, 08:54:43 AM
I'm hooked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUPTXYuGEo
Are you using a voice actor or is that you?
That's me. Just me, sitting in my room with a microphone in front of my computer. Director, Actor, Animator, everything.
Every now and then, I'll tell myself that I should try reading the line a different way, because the emotion just isn't coming across. Then I'll yell back that I'm too famous to be doing this crappy show and I storm off to my trailer.
Quote from: cgmccall on April 09, 2012, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: Tank on April 09, 2012, 08:54:43 AM
I'm hooked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUPTXYuGEo
Are you using a voice actor or is that you?
That's me. Just me, sitting in my room with a microphone in front of my computer. Director, Actor, Animator, everything.
Every now and then, I'll tell myself that I should try reading the line a different way, because the emotion just isn't coming across. Then I'll yell back that I'm too famous to be doing this crappy show and I storm off to my trailer.
One of our regular members joactor (http://www.joeactor.com/) is a professional voice artist.
Top shelf cgmccall. Pithy, humorous and intelligent. You have quite a talent. Looking forward to more productions.
Quote from: Tank on April 09, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: cgmccall on April 09, 2012, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: Tank on April 09, 2012, 08:54:43 AM
I'm hooked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUPTXYuGEo
Are you using a voice actor or is that you?
That's me. Just me, sitting in my room with a microphone in front of my computer. Director, Actor, Animator, everything.
Every now and then, I'll tell myself that I should try reading the line a different way, because the emotion just isn't coming across. Then I'll yell back that I'm too famous to be doing this crappy show and I storm off to my trailer.
One of our regular members joactor (http://www.joeactor.com/) is a professional voice artist.
yeah... it's *my* job to storm off to the trailer!
(storms off to my trailer),
JoeActor
Gotta say! I also like it!
I like it! Very creative! :D
The disturbed looks on their faces made me smile.
Just watched the video. Definitely a keeper. Very funny and great quality.
Quote from: joeactor on April 09, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
Quote from: Tank on April 09, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: cgmccall on April 09, 2012, 06:52:22 PM
Quote from: Tank on April 09, 2012, 08:54:43 AM
I'm hooked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUPTXYuGEo
Are you using a voice actor or is that you?
That's me. Just me, sitting in my room with a microphone in front of my computer. Director, Actor, Animator, everything.
Every now and then, I'll tell myself that I should try reading the line a different way, because the emotion just isn't coming across. Then I'll yell back that I'm too famous to be doing this crappy show and I storm off to my trailer.
One of our regular members joactor (http://www.joeactor.com/) is a professional voice artist.
yeah... it's *my* job to storm off to the trailer!
(storms off to my trailer),
JoeActor
Oh dammit Joe! Would someone get him out of there?
PS: what kind of voice/s do you do?
Quote from: cgmccall on April 10, 2012, 01:17:23 AM
Oh dammit Joe! Would someone get him out of there?
PS: what kind of voice/s do you do?
characters, accents and impressions for video games, animation and commercial projects...
... here's a couple samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxF3g9F58Vo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljy2b8wET3M
the voices in my head - others hear them too,
JoeActor
Awesome video!! Welcome aboard!!!
Quote from: joeactor on April 10, 2012, 01:28:37 AM
Quote from: cgmccall on April 10, 2012, 01:17:23 AM
Oh dammit Joe! Would someone get him out of there?
PS: what kind of voice/s do you do?
characters, accents and impressions for video games, animation and commercial projects...
... here's a couple samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxF3g9F58Vo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljy2b8wET3M
the voices in my head - others hear them too,
JoeActor
Truly fantastic ;D You've got talent!!
Hmm.. maybe I should put the voices in my head to good use and make money off them, too... :D
Quote from: Amicale on April 10, 2012, 04:33:30 AM
Truly fantastic ;D You've got talent!!
Hmm.. maybe I should put the voices in my head to good use and make money off them, too... :D
Thanks!
... but I'll warn you - once you let 'em out, it's not easy to put 'em back...
Quote from: joeactor on April 10, 2012, 01:28:37 AM
Quote from: cgmccall on April 10, 2012, 01:17:23 AM
Oh dammit Joe! Would someone get him out of there?
PS: what kind of voice/s do you do?
characters, accents and impressions for video games, animation and commercial projects...
... here's a couple samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxF3g9F58Vo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljy2b8wET3M
the voices in my head - others hear them too,
JoeActor
Terrific reel, terrific voice.
See, what you really need to do is fight hard to play the voice of God--just for the brutal irony. That, and your voice would sound great booming down from the clouds.
Great opinions, honestly, touch wood.
Quote from: cgmccall on April 10, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Terrific reel, terrific voice.
See, what you really need to do is fight hard to play the voice of God--just for the brutal irony. That, and your voice would sound great booming down from the clouds.
Thanks much!
... well... I've played "a god":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-cGJdMTVU
Quote from: joeactor on May 03, 2012, 03:16:52 PM
Quote from: cgmccall on April 10, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Terrific reel, terrific voice.
See, what you really need to do is fight hard to play the voice of God--just for the brutal irony. That, and your voice would sound great booming down from the clouds.
Thanks much!
... well... I've played "a god":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb-cGJdMTVU
Yay! I'm sure you could have made "the god" if all those players hadn't killed you.
I found the video hectoring, unsubtle, unfunny and devoid of any spark of imagination or originality.
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
I found the video hectoring, unsubtle, unfunny and devoid of any spark of imagination or originality.
Don't hold back in an attempt to be kind. Tell us how you really feel. ;D
Quote from: Ali on May 03, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
I found the video hectoring, unsubtle, unfunny and devoid of any spark of imagination or originality.
Don't hold back in an attempt to be kind. Tell us how you really feel. ;D
Or maybe something constructive beyond " I think it sucks"?
Quote from: Ali on May 03, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
I found the video hectoring, unsubtle, unfunny and devoid of any spark of imagination or originality.
Don't hold back in an attempt to be kind. Tell us how you really feel. ;D
If someone puts their work out for critique, then I always pay them the compliment of candour. Americans tend to be nicer and more effusive in these matters. possibly counting on karma kicking in.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: Ali on May 03, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
I found the video hectoring, unsubtle, unfunny and devoid of any spark of imagination or originality.
Don't hold back in an attempt to be kind. Tell us how you really feel. ;D
Or maybe something constructive beyond " I think it sucks"?
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 10:52:09 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: Ali on May 03, 2012, 09:16:00 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 08:35:14 PM
I found the video hectoring, unsubtle, unfunny and devoid of any spark of imagination or originality.
Don't hold back in an attempt to be kind. Tell us how you really feel. ;D
Or maybe something constructive beyond " I think it sucks
So why not ask those who describe it
as fantastic or awesome to elaborate.?
Because if someone thinks that something is fantastic, they're implying they don't think it needs to be changed.
If you are saying that it sucks, you're saying that you do think it needs to be changed. If you make those comments without anything constructive to add, you might as well say "I think it need changes, but I won't tell you what".
In other words, it's a dick thing to do.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Because if someone thinks that something is fantastic, they're implying they don't think it needs to be changed.
If you are saying that it sucks, you're saying that you do think it needs to be changed. If you make those comments without anything constructive to add, you might as well say "I think it need changes, but I won't tell you what".
In other words, it's a dick thing to do.
I don't think it needs to be changed, just binned. If you truly believe it is beyond improvement, then I envy you in a way because there is so much out there for you to enjoy.
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Because if someone thinks that something is fantastic, they're implying they don't think it needs to be changed.
If you are saying that it sucks, you're saying that you do think it needs to be changed. If you make those comments without anything constructive to add, you might as well say "I think it need changes, but I won't tell you what".
In other words, it's a dick thing to do.
I don't think it needs to be changed, just binned. If you truly believe it is beyond improvement, then I envy you in a way because there is so much out there for you to enjoy.
I didn't say it was beyond improvement, my original comment was that I "liked it". I wasn't offering a constructive critique, just emotional support. But thanks for the condensation about my tastes.
You just seem to enjoy being nasty. There isn't a creative work out there that can't be improved; saying it just needs to be binned is a cop-out. Which, fine, you're entitled to being nasty if you like, but at least acknowledge it as such. You said you offered critique but, you didn't. You offered unspecific and generalized criticism. There's a difference. I work a lot with peer review of documents and part of the process is being able to take constructive criticism - if someone reviewed my work and said "it's shit - bin it", that's more a reflection on their inability to properly review something than on my actual work.
So yes, go ahead and say whatever you like, but don't pretend it's helpful. Saying "oh, it's good. I like it" might not help improve the show, but at least it's nice. If you wanted to get the point across that it wasn't something you'd watch - you could have said that. Coming up with a list of negative descriptors with no other input is just being mean, pure and simple.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Because if someone thinks that something is fantastic, they're implying they don't think it needs to be changed.
If you are saying that it sucks, you're saying that you do think it needs to be changed. If you make those comments without anything constructive to add, you might as well say "I think it need changes, but I won't tell you what".
In other words, it's a dick thing to do.
I don't think it needs to be changed, just binned. If you truly believe it is beyond improvement, then I envy you in a way because there is so much out there for you to enjoy.
I didn't say it was beyond improvement, my original comment was that I "liked it". I wasn't offering a constructive critique, just emotional support. But thanks for the condensation about my tastes.
You just seem to enjoy being nasty. There isn't a creative work out there that can't be improved; saying it just needs to be binned is a cop-out. Which, fine, you're entitled to being nasty if you like, but at least acknowledge it as such. You said you offered critique but, you didn't. You offered unspecific and generalized criticism. There's a difference. I work a lot with peer review of documents and part of the process is being able to take constructive criticism - if someone reviewed my work and said "it's shit - bin it", that's more a reflection on their inability to properly review something than on my actual work.
So yes, go ahead and say whatever you like, but don't pretend it's helpful. Saying "oh, it's good. I like it" might not help improve the show, but at least it's nice. If you wanted to get the point across that it wasn't something you'd watch - you could have said that. Coming up with a list of negative descriptors with no other input is just being mean, pure and simple.
. I'm sorry, but in my opinion it was risibly dreadful. Why should I say other than I find.? I'm not sure why you feel it incumbent on you to lend emotional support to a complete stranger but I certainly don't. This isn't a peer review process, it's a guy asking for comments on his video on the net. Those whose verdict is crap are under no more obligation to expand on their rationale than those whose verdict is awesome
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 11:43:09 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Because if someone thinks that something is fantastic, they're implying they don't think it needs to be changed.
If you are saying that it sucks, you're saying that you do think it needs to be changed. If you make those comments without anything constructive to add, you might as well say "I think it need changes, but I won't tell you what".
In other words, it's a dick thing to do.
I don't think it needs to be changed, just binned. If you truly believe it is beyond improvement, then I envy you in a way because there is so much out there for you to enjoy.
I didn't say it was beyond improvement, my original comment was that I "liked it". I wasn't offering a constructive critique, just emotional support. But thanks for the condensation about my tastes.
You just seem to enjoy being nasty. There isn't a creative work out there that can't be improved; saying it just needs to be binned is a cop-out. Which, fine, you're entitled to being nasty if you like, but at least acknowledge it as such. You said you offered critique but, you didn't. You offered unspecific and generalized criticism. There's a difference. I work a lot with peer review of documents and part of the process is being able to take constructive criticism - if someone reviewed my work and said "it's shit - bin it", that's more a reflection on their inability to properly review something than on my actual work.
So yes, go ahead and say whatever you like, but don't pretend it's helpful. Saying "oh, it's good. I like it" might not help improve the show, but at least it's nice. If you wanted to get the point across that it wasn't something you'd watch - you could have said that. Coming up with a list of negative descriptors with no other input is just being mean, pure and simple.
. I'm sorry, but in my opinion it was risibly dreadful. Why should I say other than I find.? I'm not sure why you feel it incumbent on you to lend emotional support to a complete stranger but I certainly don't. This isn't a peer review process, it's a guy asking for comments on his video on the net. Those whose verdict is crap are under no more obligation to expand on their rationale than those whose verdict is awesome
And yet, you went to more effort in choosing a string of pointedly nasty words than most of the people who said "awesome" or "I thought it was good." Anyway, I won't belabour it. I think we understand each other. This is the second thread of the OPs I've derailed in two days, so I'll be on my way.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:53:47 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 11:43:09 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:28:47 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 03, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 03, 2012, 11:02:17 PM
Because if someone thinks that something is fantastic, they're implying they don't think it needs to be changed.
If you are saying that it sucks, you're saying that you do think it needs to be changed. If you make those comments without anything constructive to add, you might as well say "I think it need changes, but I won't tell you what".
In other words, it's a dick thing to do.
I don't think it needs to be changed, just binned. If you truly believe it is beyond improvement, then I envy you in a way because there is so much out there for you to enjoy.
I didn't say it was beyond improvement, my original comment was that I "liked it". I wasn't offering a constructive critique, just emotional support. But thanks for the condensation about my tastes.
You just seem to enjoy being nasty. There isn't a creative work out there that can't be improved; saying it just needs to be binned is a cop-out. Which, fine, you're entitled to being nasty if you like, but at least acknowledge it as such. You said you offered critique but, you didn't. You offered unspecific and generalized criticism. There's a difference. I work a lot with peer review of documents and part of the process is being able to take constructive criticism - if someone reviewed my work and said "it's shit - bin it", that's more a reflection on their inability to properly review something than on my actual work.
So yes, go ahead and say whatever you like, but don't pretend it's helpful. Saying "oh, it's good. I like it" might not help improve the show, but at least it's nice. If you wanted to get the point across that it wasn't something you'd watch - you could have said that. Coming up with a list of negative descriptors with no other input is just being mean, pure and simple.
. I'm sorry, but in my opinion it was risibly dreadful. Why should I say other than I find.? I'm not sure why you feel it incumbent on you to lend emotional support to a complete stranger but I certainly don't. This isn't a peer review process, it's a guy asking for comments on his video on the net. Those whose verdict is crap are under no more obligation to expand on their rationale than those whose verdict is awesome
And yet, you went to more effort in choosing a string of pointedly nasty words than most of the people who said "awesome" or "I thought it was good."
it's called a vocabulary.
Yeah, I stand by "you enjoy being nasty" remark.
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on May 04, 2012, 12:00:59 AM
Yeah, I stand by "you enjoy being nasty" remark.
I never asked you to withdraw it.
(moderator hat on)
Ok kiddies...
Enough of this "I know you are, what am I?"
Please try to keep the conversation civil.
Critiques can range from "Fantastic!" to "Delete it!".
A bit of *why* you feel that way can help immensely, IMHO.
It allows the OP to understand your comments, and possibly adjust their production to make it better.
(moderator hat off)
Wow...this party got wild while I stepped out.
I always appreciate input, positive or negative. Just so long as there is something detailed enough for me to learn from or work with.
Peace.
Quote from: cgmccall on May 04, 2012, 01:14:04 AM
Wow...this party got wild while I stepped out.
I always appreciate input, positive or negative. Just so long as there is something detailed enough for me to learn from or work with.
Peace.
Well I agree, being merely told that your work is fabulous in itself is no more informative than being told that its rotten. Praise offered because the person responding to it wants to be nice or supportive doesn't even give you a proper sense of what people truly think about your stuff, and while well-meant is essentially useless to you.
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 09:57:39 AM
Quote from: cgmccall on May 04, 2012, 01:14:04 AM
Wow...this party got wild while I stepped out.
I always appreciate input, positive or negative. Just so long as there is something detailed enough for me to learn from or work with.
Peace.
Well I agree, being merely told that your work is fabulous in itself is no more informative than being told that its rotten. Praise offered because the person responding to it wants to be nice or supportive doesn't even give you a proper sense of what people truly think about your stuff, and while well-meant is essentially useless to you.
But giving constructive criticism (that could be considered negative by the recipient)
while being supportive are not mutually exclusive conditions. I have found that the tone/style used when offering potentially negative comments can have a huge effect on the way they are received.
If you choose to put your work out in to the public arena and invite comment then you have to take the rough with the smooth. There is no onus on somebody who has a low opinion of it to sugar the pill or to worry that the author is going to take exception to their adverse judgement. In fact, cgm has not been precious at all about this, it is DJ who has taken up the cudgels on his behalf.
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 10:50:44 AM
If you choose to put your work out in to the public arena and invite comment then you have to take the rough with the smooth. There is no onus on somebody who has a low opinion of it to sugar the pill or to worry that the author is going to take exception to their adverse judgement. In fact, cgm has not been precious at all about this, it is DJ who has taken up the cudgels on his behalf.
In my decades of negotiation experience it is almost always better to be perceived as supportive rather than arrogant. And it is definitely better in a situation like this to be perceived as an allie not an enemy. Criticism should be intended to get the recipient to see your point of view and change their own. If not the criticism is simply an example of self indulgent intellectual masturbation of the part of the critic. Thus a supportive attitude is more likely to be perceived as friendly and positive, even if the content of the criticism could be construed as negative.
For example. One may find that the background music on a video is too loud thus making the voice difficult to hear. A comment like 'The loud bloody music pissed me off!' is aggressive and thus likely to be ignored. Whereas 'I found it difficult to hear the narration as the music was too loud.' is informative and suggests a potential solution to the problem and is thus supportive and non-adversarial.
Sugaring the pill isn't necessary, I'm sure Christopher Hitchens didn't even know what sugar was! But that only made CH look like an arsehole, which may be good for his PR and ego, but I wouldn't give him the time of day. On the other hand Daniel Dennett gets his points across just as effectively and to a wider audience because he is polite to the sensibilities of his audience. So there are more ways than one to skin a cat, and I'm more of a DD than CH, while you may be the opposite. Each to there own I suppose.
With respect, you are conflating quite different things. Criticism of creative work is not an educational dialogue designed to persuade the author of the error of their ways. It is simply a passing of judgement on the perceived merits of the work in question. I couldn't care less whether or not cgm places any weight on my opinion or not.
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
With respect, you are conflating quite different things. Criticism of creative work is not an educational dialogue designed to persuade the author of the error of their ways. It is simply a passing of judgement on the perceived merits of the work in question. I couldn't care less whether or not cgm places any weight on my opinion or not.
Well in this respect we do differ. If a person
asks for criticism/comment then they have, IMO, invited dialogue with the aim of improving their work.
Quote from: Tank on May 04, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
With respect, you are conflating quite different things. Criticism of creative work is not an educational dialogue designed to persuade the author of the error of their ways. It is simply a passing of judgement on the perceived merits of the work in question. I couldn't care less whether or not cgm places any weight on my opinion or not.
Well in this respect we do differ. If a person asks for criticism/comment then they have, IMO, invited dialogue with the aim of improving their work.
Well being told their work is awesome or fantastic is hardly going to contribute to that objective either. But yes we do differ on this point. Registering appreciation or otherwise is the most anybody can reasonably expect; there is no onus on anybody to even go that far , least of all engage in a fuller analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the piece.
Quote from: Tank on May 04, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
With respect, you are conflating quite different things. Criticism of creative work is not an educational dialogue designed to persuade the author of the error of their ways. It is simply a passing of judgement on the perceived merits of the work in question. I couldn't care less whether or not cgm places any weight on my opinion or not.
Well in this respect we do differ. If a person asks for criticism/comment then they have, IMO, invited dialogue with the aim of improving their work.
Actually, Looking back, his question was whether he could make money from this. So, really a simple no on my part would have sufficed.
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 03:38:51 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 04, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
With respect, you are conflating quite different things. Criticism of creative work is not an educational dialogue designed to persuade the author of the error of their ways. It is simply a passing of judgement on the perceived merits of the work in question. I couldn't care less whether or not cgm places any weight on my opinion or not.
Well in this respect we do differ. If a person asks for criticism/comment then they have, IMO, invited dialogue with the aim of improving their work.
Well being told their work is awesome or fantastic is hardly going to contribute to that objective either. But yes we do differ on this point. Registering appreciation or otherwise is the most anybody can reasonably expect; there is no onus on anybody to even go that far , least of all engage in a fuller analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of the piece.
Quite so. But if one has the time and the inclination there's nowt stopping one either :)
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 03:40:47 PM
Quote from: Tank on May 04, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
Quote from: En_Route on May 04, 2012, 12:18:19 PM
With respect, you are conflating quite different things. Criticism of creative work is not an educational dialogue designed to persuade the author of the error of their ways. It is simply a passing of judgement on the perceived merits of the work in question. I couldn't care less whether or not cgm places any weight on my opinion or not.
Well in this respect we do differ. If a person asks for criticism/comment then they have, IMO, invited dialogue with the aim of improving their work.
Actually, Looking back, his question was whether he could make money from this. So, really a simple no on my part would have sufficed.
Interestingly there is an objective proof under way right now http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=9827.0
15 days in with 15 to go he's had just over $1,000 pledged.
Not so. That is investment not profit. Furthermore, you can be pretty sure that anyone who has pledged money will lose it all.
I'd also add these figures are not verifiied. The three main backers could be him, his mum and his dad for all we know. I'm also not sure it is quite appropriate for you to be acting as cheerleader for someone who has been a member for 5 minutes , whom you know nothing about and who is now soliciting money from other members.
A controversial issue, praise being showered by the majority and En_Route not so enthusiastic.
If it isn't already obvious and for newcomers, my benighted nature resents praise directed at others.
I checked out the first video, I thought it was gnnnnerrrrr-SLAP... good.
The best comedy does the unexpected, it wasn't the best for me 'cause I know those points, might be new for others.
It was fast, that's OK if you know the story but for newcomers?
Good voice.
It was clever.
I'd buy cgmccall a beer but don't you fear En_Route, I've got my own absurdities to finance.
Anyway thanks En_Route for playing the villain, people are too often oh so agreeably boring around here.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on May 05, 2012, 03:10:32 PM
A controversial issue, praise being showered by the majority and En_Route not so enthusiastic.
If it isn't already obvious and for newcomers, my benighted nature resents praise directed at others.
I checked out the first video, I thought it was gnnnnerrrrr-SLAP... good.
The best comedy does the unexpected, it wasn't the best for me 'cause I know those points, might be new for others.
It was fast, that's OK if you know the story but for newcomers?
Good voice.
It was clever.
I'd buy cgmccall a beer but don't you fear En_Route, I've got my own absurdities to finance.
Anyway thanks En_Route for playing the villain, people are too often oh so agreeably boring around here.
Yes, even on an atheist forum, deviation from the party line earns a fair degree of odium. Vacuous plaudits good, unsparing and explicit criticism bad. Interestingly too, the use of false analogies ( such as with peer reviews or negotiating) to justify a gut reaction ...sounds familiar?
I think En_Route should change his avatar to:-
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weirdspace.dk%2FRogerHargreaves%2FGraphics%2FMrGrumpy.gif&hash=2c1e401ee1e394a6b07ce198bf494be92184dece)
;)
Quote from: Tank on May 06, 2012, 03:39:51 PM
I think En_Route should change his avatar to:-
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weirdspace.dk%2FRogerHargreaves%2FGraphics%2FMrGrumpy.gif&hash=2c1e401ee1e394a6b07ce198bf494be92184dece)
;)
Hahahhaahhaha. Seconded and passed.
When such wise heads concur, who am I to differ?
Quote from: En_Route on May 06, 2012, 10:33:00 PM
When such wise heads concur, who am I to differ?
;D
En Route, I love that look for you! ;) It's so gloriously pessimistically blue!
Quote from: Amicale on May 06, 2012, 10:45:38 PM
En Route, I love that look for you! ;) It's so gloriously pessimistically blue!
I sense a definite consensus forming here.
Quote from: En_Route on May 06, 2012, 11:29:23 PM
Quote from: Amicale on May 06, 2012, 10:45:38 PM
En Route, I love that look for you! ;) It's so gloriously pessimistically blue!
I sense a definite consensus forming here.
A bit of pepper is critical to outstanding cuisine.
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