I stumbled across this interesting corner of the internet and it looks like there is a lot of good debate and discussion on here.
I'm originally from Scotland in the UK and like most other Scottish school children, I was taught about Christianity as if it was the accepted, normal thing and that there wasn't much need for a discussion,I was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!). I probably started questioning the existance of God at the age of about 12, and by my mid-teens I could not believe that seemingly sensible people were still taking religious teachings seriously.
I personally believe that the UK is extremely tolerant of atheists and is a largely secular state, the funding of faith based schools being a notable abboration however. I have noticed that this does not seem to be the case in the USA where there seems to be a far greater degree of persecution. I generally have a belief of: "Believe what you want", but after hearing some of the garbage spoken about atheists in other parts of the world, it makes my blood boil.
Anyway, thats enough self indulgence, I look forward to some interesting debates.
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Quote from: allymadrunner on March 06, 2012, 02:06:11 AMit makes my blood boil.
Ye it can do that, I try to keep it to a slow simmer most of the time.
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welcome to the forum Ally, there are plenty of us Brits here (assuming you consider yourself as a Brit and not just a Scot ;))
I know where you're coming from with the Christening thing, I can't believe my parents were so stupid as to Christen me. I just hope I gave the vicar a very evil stare as he poured water over my little head.
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Quote from: allymadrunner on March 06, 2012, 02:06:11 AM
I stumbled across this interesting corner of the internet and it looks like there is a lot of good debate and discussion on here.
I'm originally from Scotland in the UK and like most other Scottish school children, I was taught about Christianity as if it was the accepted, normal thing and that there wasn't much need for a discussion,I was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!). I probably started questioning the existance of God at the age of about 12, and by my mid-teens I could not believe that seemingly sensible people were still taking religious teachings seriously.
I personally believe that the UK is extremely tolerant of atheists and is a largely secular state, the funding of faith based schools being a notable abboration however. I have noticed that this does not seem to be the case in the USA where there seems to be a far greater degree of persecution. I generally have a belief of: "Believe what you want", but after hearing some of the garbage spoken about atheists in other parts of the world, it makes my blood boil.
Anyway, thats enough self indulgence, I look forward to some interesting debates.
Welcome to the forum! you are completely right about the U.S. Atheists such as myself are pretty descriminated against. In the south I have to hear BS about god all day every day, yet when I mention one thing about not believing I get the head shake, or I'll pray for you. That is one subject I will argue about no matter what. Don't push that crap off on me just bc you have been brainwashed!
Hi Ally!
Welcome!
Quote from: allymadrunner on March 06, 2012, 02:06:11 AM
I was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!).
It beats being circumcised!
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QuoteI was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!
same here, someting all children of orthodox christians have to suffer
welcome
Quote from: MariaEvri on March 17, 2012, 02:43:07 PM
QuoteI was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!
same here, someting all children of orthodox christians have to suffer
welcome
I was Christened and didn't suffer the slightest from it. Maybe your vicar was doing it wrong to make it so painful for you...! Or maybe you're all overreacting...
Just sayin'...
Welcome! Debates do break out around here from time to time. :)
I was christened and it doesn't bother me much now. It was kind of silly, but no lasting damage.
That cross tattoo I got when I was 18, though. I'd like to get that covered up sometime.
Quote from: Crocoduck on March 07, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: allymadrunner on March 06, 2012, 02:06:11 AM
I was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!).
It beats being circumcised!
First of all welcome to HAF.
Thank you Croco for reminding me about my mutilated penis... I'm very resentful my mother thought it was a good idea to slice my foreskin, peel it back, and reattach it. I can't help but hold it against my family. I think this is the first time my blood has started boiling on the introductions board :(
I was christened, too. And so were my brothers.
It was a cultural/traditional thing more then a religious one, as my parents are not particularly religious either.
Quote from: Crocoduck on March 07, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
It beats being circumcised!
Glad that's not tradition in Norway. I like it fine the way it is!
Quote from: ThinkAnarchy on March 17, 2012, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: Crocoduck on March 07, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: allymadrunner on March 06, 2012, 02:06:11 AM
I was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!).
It beats being circumcised!
First of all welcome to HAF.
Thank you Croco for reminding me about my mutilated penis... I'm very resentful my mother thought it was a good idea to slice my foreskin, peel it back, and reattach it. I can't help but hold it against my family. I think this is the first time my blood has started boiling on the introductions board :(
I think that's something that is definitely worth being upset about :-[
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 17, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
I was Christened and didn't suffer the slightest from it.
Are you sure about that?
To what do you attribute your drive to assimilate people? ;)
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on March 18, 2012, 12:49:37 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 17, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
I was Christened and didn't suffer the slightest from it.
Are you sure about that?
To what do you attribute your drive to assimilate people? ;)
When I was baptized (Catholic church) I didn't suffer for it, but apparently the priest did. The story goes that I was all smiley and happy, and suddenly let out a loud yell, reached up, and soundly honked the priest's nose hard enough that his eyes watered. It evidently didn't bode well for my future with the Church. I maintain it was a friendly hello. ;)
Quote from: Guardian85 on March 17, 2012, 08:23:49 PM
I was christened, too. And so were my brothers.
It was a cultural/traditional thing more then a religious one, as my parents are not particularly religious either.
Quote from: Crocoduck on March 07, 2012, 05:20:58 PM
It beats being circumcised!
Glad that's not tradition in Norway. I like it fine the way it is!
Yeah, I cant really afford to lose any... :D
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 17, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
Just sayin'...
I'm a terrible example because I'm... Not like other people, really, but I'm pretty sure that had I fallen victim to both, I'd hold a far more massive grudge against my parents for christening me than I would against some random person for ass-raping me.
Signing me up for a "life-long" subscription to a social club before I had the capacity to object seems more wrong to me than assaulting me and winning after I've learnt to fight.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 18, 2012, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 17, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
Just sayin'...
I'm a terrible example because I'm... Not like other people, really, but I'm pretty sure that had I fallen victim to both, I'd hold a far more massive grudge against my parents for christening me than I would against some random person for ass-raping me.
Signing me up for a "life-long" subscription to a social club before I had the capacity to object seems more wrong to me than assaulting me and winning after I've learnt to fight.
Do you mean '
before you've learnt to fight'?
WTF? It's a splash of water, how can you be mortally offended by that? I thought you were the epitome of 'whatever'. Sounds to me like you give the weight to the ceremony. Tut, tut.
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 18, 2012, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on March 18, 2012, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 17, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
Just sayin'...
I'm a terrible example because I'm... Not like other people, really, but I'm pretty sure that had I fallen victim to both, I'd hold a far more massive grudge against my parents for christening me than I would against some random person for ass-raping me.
Signing me up for a "life-long" subscription to a social club before I had the capacity to object seems more wrong to me than assaulting me and winning after I've learnt to fight.
Do you mean 'before you've learnt to fight'?
WTF? It's a splash of water, how can you be mortally offended by that? I thought you were the epitome of 'whatever'. Sounds to me like you give the weight to the ceremony. Tut, tut.
Exactly,
How can you consider an expression of "magic" performed by someone else on your behalf as a life-long subscription to anything?
"Abracadabra, Shalacasam!" I said that phrase while turning anticlockwise three times and chucking some salt on the ground (at the same time). Now everyone in the world is unbaptised. Problem solved!
PS actually I have to admit, I didn't just do that, I'd look and feel like a complete twat if I did. But you get my point.
Quote from: Stevil on March 19, 2012, 12:41:00 AM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 18, 2012, 11:55:23 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on March 18, 2012, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 17, 2012, 03:04:41 PM
Just sayin'...
I'm a terrible example because I'm... Not like other people, really, but I'm pretty sure that had I fallen victim to both, I'd hold a far more massive grudge against my parents for christening me than I would against some random person for ass-raping me.
Signing me up for a "life-long" subscription to a social club before I had the capacity to object seems more wrong to me than assaulting me and winning after I've learnt to fight.
Do you mean 'before you've learnt to fight'?
WTF? It's a splash of water, how can you be mortally offended by that? I thought you were the epitome of 'whatever'. Sounds to me like you give the weight to the ceremony. Tut, tut.
Exactly,
How can you consider an expression of "magic" performed by someone else on your behalf as a life-long subscription to anything?
"Abracadabra, Shalacasam!" I said that phrase while turning anticlockwise three times and chucking some salt on the ground (at the same time). Now everyone in the world is unbaptised. Problem solved!
PS actually I have to admit, I didn't just do that, I'd look and feel like a complete twat if I did. But you get my point.
While I disagree with Asmo about taking offense to a baptism but NOT to a raping ( :o ??? ), I actually understand his point about being signed up for something like a life-long subscription to a social club. I was baptized Catholic. What that means to the Church, at least, if not to me is that unless they excommunicate me formally, I'm still technically Catholic. I never asked to be one, but by virtue of being baptized one as a baby, I'm still on their records as being one. And this is precisely how they can say they have so many millions and millions of people in their Church -- I'd bet that MOST of us aren't faithful Catholics at all, we just no longer attend Church and haven't bothered writing to the bishop/archbishop/Vatican asking to be excommunicated.
As for myself, I don't get stirred up over the event at all. Sure, that enrolled me in their "club", but as far as I'm concerned, there's very little difference between NOT belonging to a club, and never going to the meetings/paying dues etc even if you're considered a "member". They can think what they'd like about me. If they think I'm one of them, they're only doing themself a disservice -- they call me Catholic, but I'm walking around objecting to their religion, so that can't look good on them, really. It just doesn't bug me. It makes me embarrased for them, more than anything, that they still feel the need to pretend I'm one of them just to inflate their numbers. :)
Quote from: Anti-antidisestablishmentarianism on March 06, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
Quote from: allymadrunner on March 06, 2012, 02:06:11 AM
I stumbled across this interesting corner of the internet and it looks like there is a lot of good debate and discussion on here.
I'm originally from Scotland in the UK and like most other Scottish school children, I was taught about Christianity as if it was the accepted, normal thing and that there wasn't much need for a discussion,I was even Christened (something I'll never forgive my parents for!). I probably started questioning the existance of God at the age of about 12, and by my mid-teens I could not believe that seemingly sensible people were still taking religious teachings seriously.
I personally believe that the UK is extremely tolerant of atheists and is a largely secular state, the funding of faith based schools being a notable abboration however. I have noticed that this does not seem to be the case in the USA where there seems to be a far greater degree of persecution. I generally have a belief of: "Believe what you want", but after hearing some of the garbage spoken about atheists in other parts of the world, it makes my blood boil.
Anyway, thats enough self indulgence, I look forward to some interesting debates.
Welcome to the forum! you are completely right about the U.S. Atheists such as myself are pretty descriminated against. In the south I have to hear BS about god all day every day, yet when I mention one thing about not believing I get the head shake, or I'll pray for you. That is one subject I will argue about no matter what. Don't push that crap off on me just bc you have been brainwashed!
It depends where in the US you are, though. For example, I've lived on the godless East Coast all my life, and never really had a problem when I told people I didn't believe :) Then again, the south feels like a foreign country to me the few times I've been there.
Welcome!
Quote from: Stevil on March 19, 2012, 12:41:00 AM
PS actually I have to admit, I didn't just do that, I'd look and feel like a complete twat if I did. But you get my point.
Only if you wear a pointy wizard hat at the same time.
Quote from: Amicale on March 19, 2012, 02:33:21 AM
I actually understand his point about being signed up for something like a life-long subscription to a social club. I was baptized Catholic. What that means to the Church, at least, if not to me is that unless they excommunicate me formally, I'm still technically Catholic.
So somebody else thinks you're "one of them", even when you aren't, and has the paperwork to prove it. I get it, partly because as a rabid completist myself it would just bug me to leave that end loose. It's why I went to the trouble of badgering the Mormon church into excommunicating me even tho it didn't make any real, practical difference.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on March 19, 2012, 04:16:54 AM
So somebody else thinks you're "one of them", even when you aren't, and has the paperwork to prove it. I get it, partly because as a rabid completist myself it would just bug me to leave that end loose. It's why I went to the trouble of badgering the Mormon church into excommunicating me even tho it didn't make any real, practical difference.
It was easy for me to leave the Church of Norway. I just had to send a letter saying "LET ME OUT! Please."
And then they had to.
...And then they just re-instated you after two years unless you specified that you were NOT looking to join another religious community.
To address some of the replies to me, no, I mean AFTER, not BEFORE. I should have phrased better: I'm pretty sure I'd hold a bigger grudge against the perp if I were christened as a baby than I would if I were ass-raped today.
Yes, it is just water, but I am going with the percieved symbolism of it, equating christening to child abuse.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
...And then they just re-instated you after two years unless you specified that you were NOT looking to join another religious community.
To address some of the replies to me, no, I mean AFTER, not BEFORE. I should have phrased better: I'm pretty sure I'd hold a bigger grudge against the perp if I were christened as a baby than I would if I were ass-raped today.
Yes, it is just water, but I am going with the percieved symbolism of it, equating christening to child abuse.
A little harsh on Mums and Dads who really didn't do any harm. Did they... honestly...?? Their misguided attempts to 'do the right thing' - for better or worse - has less impact than choosing to send you to a particular nursery, or choosing your playdates, or what music you expose them to, or what food they eat.
I think you're letting negativity toward faith seep into reasoning here...
Given an inescapable choice I think I'd choose Christening for my children over buggery... Maybe that's just me...
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 19, 2012, 11:35:56 AM
A little harsh on Mums and Dads who really didn't do any harm. Did they... honestly...??
Depends on what you view as "harm".
QuoteTheir misguided attempts to 'do the right thing' - for better or worse - has less impact than choosing to send you to a particular nursery, or choosing your playdates, or what music you expose them to, or what food they eat.
It's not the magnitude of impact - it is that an impact WAS made where there should have been none.
QuoteI think you're letting negativity toward faith seep into reasoning here...
Has very little to do with faith, actually. It's just that the current object of debate is a religious ritual.
If my parents want the best for me as a kid, they will help me with the neessary and the important before I have the capacity and the wisdom to figure it out myself and leave the rest until I have the capacity and wisdom to make those choices.
Of course, the right thing is in the eye of the beholder (the kid, in this case), and the beholder does not really behold except in hindsight, so basically, what I'm saying is that if I consider something done to me before I had the capacity to effectively object or be convinced otherwise abusive, then it pretty much is. Intentions don't justify the outcome.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 11:42:57 AM
Depends on what you view as "harm".
Can you explain to me the harm done. If anything the experience of being in Church may well be educational... Indeed, Amicale even learnt the hardness coefficient of a strangers nose. The value of that is incalculable!
Quote
It's not the magnitude of impact - it is that an impact WAS made where there should have been none.
Oh please! Fractions of fractions... Technically, of course, you're right. But of all the imperfect situations to which our parents have exposed us, Christening is a loooooong way down on the list of causes of our own neuroses.
QuoteHas very little to do with faith, actually. It's just that the current object of debate is a religious ritual.
OK then, I think you're letting negativity toward religious ritual seep into reasoning here...
QuoteIf my parents want the best for me as a kid, they will help me with the neessary and the important before I have the capacity and the wisdom to figure it out myself and leave the rest until I have the capacity and wisdom to make those choices.
Of course, the right thing is in the eye of the beholder (the kid, in this case), and the beholder does not really behold except in hindsight, so basically, what I'm saying is that if I consider something done to me before I had the capacity to effectively object or be convinced otherwise abusive, then it pretty much is.
If you applied that universally, you'd have been placed in a white box for 5 years... or more.
QuoteIntentions don't justify the outcome.
How else are we to rationally make decisions if not with intent? Is the outcome of my Christening something to be feared?
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 19, 2012, 01:03:50 PM
Can you explain to me the harm done. If anything the experience of being in Church may well be educational... Indeed, Amicale even learnt the hardness coefficient of a strangers nose. The value of that is incalculable!
If that is how you choose to look at it, than that is how it is for you. I wouldn't mind going to a church for educational purposes if I were invited and gave my consent. Dragging me (here, impersonal "me" as I was never christened) there as a baby to take part in an absolutely unneessary ritual that some potentially important people in my life would later see as a part of my identity, however, I am against.
Quote
Oh please! Fractions of fractions... Technically, of course, you're right. But of all the imperfect situations to which our parents have exposed us, Christening is a loooooong way down on the list of causes of our own neuroses.
I like my technicalities. And
technically, while it doesn't even top the middle fo the list, it is still ON the list.
Quote
OK then, I think you're letting negativity toward religious ritual seep into reasoning here...
It's not only rituals. For instance, the same opinion goes to forcing an older kid to have the hairdo you want as opposed to what the kid wants.
Quote
If you applied that universally, you'd have been placed in a white box for 5 years... or more.
Actually, I'm only marginally crazy.
Quote
How else are we to rationally make decisions if not with intent?
Make decisions with intent, but be prepared to be judged by the outcome.
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Is the outcome of my Christening something to be feared?
Hm... Despised, perhaps.
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Your tenacity is impressive. I give up...
My take on it is this.
1. Got christened/baptized.
2. Went to Catholic school for 3 years.
3. Had stints both as a Catholic and a Protestant.
4. Learned a ton about the Bible and world religions.
5. Became atheist anyway.
No harm, no foul, picked up some knowledge along the path, so I can use that when I talk with other people. It all works out. Even if the Catholic church thinks I'm one of them still, all they've got to show for it is a priest who got popped in the nose, and embarassing pics of me directing the youth choir at Christmas when I was a very young teenager. Hopefully, those scandalous images won't come back to bite me in the butt. :D
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Your tenacity is impressive. I give up...
:D didn't your mama ever tell you never to bring a sword to a gun fight?
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Your tenacity is impressive. I give up...
This is what I like to see. Members agreeing to differ ;D
Quote from: Guardian85 on March 19, 2012, 10:38:56 AM
It was easy for me to leave the Church of Norway. I just had to send a letter saying "LET ME OUT! Please."
And then they had to.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
...And then they just re-instated you after two years unless you specified that you were NOT looking to join another religious community.
You have to give this to religious institutions: they are masters of fine print.
Quote from: Amicale on March 19, 2012, 02:27:06 PM
My take on it is this.
1. Got christened/baptized.
2. Went to Catholic school for 3 years.
3. Had stints both as a Catholic and a Protestant.
4. Learned a ton about the Bible and world religions.
5. Became atheist anyway.
No harm, no foul, picked up some knowledge along the path, so I can use that when I talk with other people. It all works out.
Yep, that's how I see it and why I can never see a religious upbringing as at all damaging or offensive to the rights of the child.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 11:42:57 AM
Of course, the right thing is in the eye of the beholder (the kid, in this case), and the beholder does not really behold except in hindsight,
But, if you consider the eye of the beholder from the parents "beholding", they thought they
were doing something necessary for the child before it was old enough to make its own decisions. The benefits may have been religious or they may have been social, but 10 to 1 they did see a necessity there.
Quoteso basically, what I'm saying is that if I consider something done to me before I had the capacity to effectively object or be convinced otherwise abusive, then it pretty much is. Intentions don't justify the outcome.
I have to say, I think this is a dangerous philosophy. It's way too subjective and leaves itself open for all sorts of nonsense, like that repressed memory hysteria we had in the States awhile back. Or even far more minor things like grown up people whining about not getting a bike one Xmas and that their
feeling of being neglected and unloved therefore meant they were (despite being well aware that their parents were doing their best just getting food on the table every day), and had earned the right to called themselves abused. I heard that story years ago from a woman in group therapy -- despite how she beheld things, she wasn't right in thinking she was abused, she was just a crybaby.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 10:59:38 AM
...And then they just re-instated you after two years unless you specified that you were NOT looking to join another religious community.
What happens when you get re-instated? Do they send you a bill or something? (I know my parents have to pay a yearly membership fee to be considered members of their church.)
I'm on the "Meh, who cares" side of the debate. If some church believes I'm a member, my thought is "They also believe in talking snakes and babies born of virgins...."
Quote from: Ali on March 19, 2012, 03:32:21 PM
What happens when you get re-instated? Do they send you a bill or something? (I know my parents have to pay a yearly membership fee to be considered members of their church.)
No, they just send you voting ballots and shit for when some head cheese elections for the church take place.
Cats: missing the point. It's not about giving the kid whatever (s)he points at, but rather recognizing what is important to that kid and trying to accomodate it. When the child is a baby, one can look at it this way: Is what I'm about to do important and/or useful to the kid, or is it important to me and my aged mother-in-law? In case of christening, babies are atheist, so the second statement applies. And whenever that is the case, there is potential for unnecessary grudge-holding later in life.
Other than that, on me, the "you want that *point* skateboard? Well, it's not your birthday and it's not christmas, sooo... Do dishes for two weeks, then we'll talk"-line worked perfectly fine.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 04:16:57 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 19, 2012, 03:32:21 PM
What happens when you get re-instated? Do they send you a bill or something? (I know my parents have to pay a yearly membership fee to be considered members of their church.)
No, they just send you voting ballots and shit for when some head cheese elections for the church take place.
I vote that you get enough of your heathen friends to re-enroll in church, and then run an Asmo For Church President campaign. ;D If you can't beat 'em, join 'em THEN beat 'em. ;D
Quote from: Ali on March 19, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
I vote that you get enough of your heathen friends to re-enroll in church, and then run an Asmo For Church President campaign. ;D If you can't beat 'em, join 'em THEN beat 'em. ;D
They couldn't pay me enough. And by that, I mean literally couldn't pay me enough. I'm not touching that institution - not even to ruin it. Is what minions are for. Dirty work is dirty, after all ::)
Quote from: Ali on March 19, 2012, 04:21:11 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 04:16:57 PM
Quote from: Ali on March 19, 2012, 03:32:21 PM
What happens when you get re-instated? Do they send you a bill or something? (I know my parents have to pay a yearly membership fee to be considered members of their church.)
No, they just send you voting ballots and shit for when some head cheese elections for the church take place.
I vote that you get enough of your heathen friends to re-enroll in church, and then run an Asmo For Church President campaign. ;D If you can't beat 'em, join 'em THEN beat 'em. ;D
Besides, the head of the Church is the King of Norway.
Quote from: Guardian85 on March 19, 2012, 04:51:59 PM
Besides, the head of the Church is the King of Norway.
Yes, although he doesn't seem to make a big deal out of it, does he..?
Ohhhh, right. New plan. Asmo makes the King of Norway into one of his minions, and sets him to work.
His Majesty is not on The Asmo's bad side, he can therefor do his thing uninterrupted by the Evil Schemes.
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 05:21:11 PM
His Majesty is not on The Asmo's bad side, he can therefor do his thing uninterrupted by the Evil Schemes.
What would the king of Norway look like with a mini Asmo riding on his shoulders?
I'm rather ashamed to admit that I didn't even know that Norway had a king until recently (aka just now.) I have to say that now that I am reading up on him, his story kind of ignites my imagination (the part about the royal family having to flee Norway when he was a little boy to escape the Nazis.) Also, Princess Martha Louise is very pretty.
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HM King Harald V.
Well, Kongeriket Norge means Kingdom of Norway.
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I f**kin' knew it! Future-Tank is running Norway.
I think a red Asmo with tiny horns would fit quite nicely on Tank's left shoulder :D
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 05:42:44 PM
I think a red Asmo with tiny horns would fit quite nicely on Tank's left shoulder :D
Your new friend, good sir:
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Quote from: Amicale on March 19, 2012, 07:18:54 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 05:42:44 PM
I think a red Asmo with tiny horns would fit quite nicely on Tank's left shoulder :D
Your new friend, good sir:
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Just go ahead and add that to the Asmo world domination thread. :D
Yes. That there is known as Asmodemon. Is for seducing, tricking and otherwise acquiring minions. :D
Quote from: Asmodean on March 19, 2012, 08:00:32 PM
Yes. That there is known as Asmodemon. Is for seducing, tricking and otherwise acquiring minions. :D
:D I couldn't resist giving him a little tail. It helps with the seducing, you see.
^^^ *snerk*
Quote from: Scissorlegs on March 19, 2012, 02:26:41 PM
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Your tenacity is impressive. I give up...
Is that a +2 bastard sword of burning? I don't care what anyone says smileys ass is getting pwned.
And I hope I can provide you with a bit of stimulating debate, but remember, if we agree on the whole silliness of an Omnipotent then there is a good chance we're going to agree on other things as well. Looking forward to mining the mind with you.
Welcome, Ally. I can't imagine what would give you the impression that stimulating debates sometimes break out around here. :)