No seriously, hear me out.
Would you, if you knew for sure that it would not physically harm you or anyone else?
What if the same were true AND it was legal?
I want to, but I know that currently it's dangerous and, of course, illegal. Then I could finally know what the heck Revolution 9 is about. No seriously though, I think it would be really cool to feel my conscience altered, but I don't want to kill myself and end up in jail to do it.
What do you all think? Sorry for the randomness.
One should try anything once...
If it were not dangerous then it would be interesting to try. But the possible dangers concern me more than the legality even though legality is also a concern.
There are lots of things I'd want to try if they were not dangerous...like rock climbing and stuff like that which I'm currently afraid to do because heights scare me (no danger would alleviate that fear).
My husband and I say that we think we'd try it after we retire.
I know plenty of people who have done it and are perfectly fine/functional, but it's just outside of my comfort zone for my current life stage.
Quote from: Thunder Road on January 14, 2012, 12:00:10 AM
No seriously, hear me out.
Would you, if you knew for sure that it would not physically harm you or anyone else?
What if the same were true AND it was legal?
I want to, but I know that currently it's dangerous and, of course, illegal. Then I could finally know what the heck Revolution 9 is about. No seriously though, I think it would be really cool to feel my conscience altered, but I don't want to kill myself and end up in jail to do it.
What do you all think? Sorry for the randomness.
LSD is physically harmless. The acid tests of the '60s proved that.
The only physical dangers come from activities undertaken while under its powerful influence (like jumping off tall buildings thinking you can fly (which is a very real danger)). Also, unless you are careful with how, where and with whom you try it there can be undesirable mental effects. This drug is the same chemical as the one in the brain that helps carry signals around. You're messing with your mental hardware.
I've said it before in some thread here, LSD had a profoundly positive effect on me and has changed the way the world looks to me. But that's not everyone's story - I know several bad mental cases as a direct result of LSD. The advice I'd give is to try not to believe what you hear, see or think while on acid. And always have a sober friend on-hand. And you can forget sleep for 24 hours. As a starter you could try mushrooms (liberty cap) which give a similar but much gentler trip. They are also easier to gauge potency.
Would I do it again? Sure, given the right environment and a full 48 hour relaxing recovery. It's just not something that has any priority in my life currently.
While I try not to irresponsibly recommend LSD, I do think it can be used as a helpful tool for exploring your own consciousness. I found an alternative perspective in LSD that remains with me in a very positive way. It is truly 'mind expanding'.
I would, mostly out of curiousity.
Quote from: RunFromMyLife on January 14, 2012, 12:10:10 AM
I've never done it before and I would never do it. I think the feeling of losing control would freak me the fuck out.
I agree, I've only smoked pot a few times but just that makes me paranoid and very uncomfortable. I even had problems the first time a dentist gave me Nitrous Oxide, although I have had it since without problem.
Just give me some good ol' booze any day.
No. I'm on several medications for health problems and I would never take the chance of mixing them with something extra. The best way to alter my consciousness is to put me on the bow of a fast power boat, or send me scuba diving in Fiji, or hiking on a warm sunny day ... I get high on life. Seriously.
I have no desire to try narcotics, other than caffeine and nicotine. Just not interested.
I wouldn't try any mind altering substance that I am aware of or exist today, except under medical supervision and for medical need. I just don't feel the need and I'm not inclined to bugger about with the natural chemical balance in my brain. Not particularly adventurous that way.
It's hard to say. I do drink alcohol.
But generally I am not interested in drugs.
What does this have to do with "Life as an atheist"?
My experiences with LSD was back in the low 70's...when it was really LSD. Were I the same age now as I was then, you couldn't pay me to take the chemicals they say is "acid" today.
Quote from: Thunder Road on January 14, 2012, 12:00:10 AM
Would you, if you knew for sure that it would not physically harm you or anyone else?
If it was that it wouldn't be acid.
I'm in the market for a mind altering something.
I'm already kinda odd.
Something to temporarily accentuate my weirdness is all I'm after.
Giving my mind too great a shake seems unwise.
It never was securely tethered, it could easily be lost.
Quote from: Gawen on January 14, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
What does this have to do with "Life as an atheist"?
My experiences with LSD was back in the low 70's...when it was really LSD. Were I the same age now as I was then, you couldn't pay me to take the chemicals they say is "acid" today.
Are you sure you wouldn't be swept up in the whole culture, just as you were back in the day? You have the benefit of maturity to make the decision to abstain now. The youth today are just as carefree as they (we) were in the 70s.
I don't think pure acid (LSD) is very common these days. They mix it with MDMA and amphetamines and all sorts of other stuff and call it Ecstasy - a more tailored party drug and worlds apart from pure LSD.
I tried it once in college and HATED it. I mean, it was fun for a little while....but then it just wouldn't stop. And then we met up with this schizophrenic man in an IHOP who just zeroed in on us somehow, and if being all messed up on acid wasn't bad enough at that point (I was wishing for it to be over already by this point), try doing it while having a conversation with a man who is basically talking some sort of streams of consciousness word salad. In my right mind I might have found it interesting, but on acid I found it awful awful awful. *shudder*
Interesting. I was thinking along the lines of "pure LSD" to begin with, but it seems like it's not all it's cracked up to be. (Who knew? Haha)
Anyway if a mod wants to move this to the Laid Back Lounge, that's fine. That's probably where it belongs anyway, my apologies.
So... Are you having a pill-shaped hole in your heart, Thunder?
Don't take it the wrong way - I'm just curious because I don't seek a high (Not even through my use of nicotine) and therefor don't really understand people who do. Is there some semi-rational motivation behind it? What is it like? Like a craving for something you never had but could get your hands on?
Quote from: Thunder Road on January 14, 2012, 05:03:47 PM
Interesting. I was thinking along the lines of "pure LSD" to begin with, but it seems like it's not all it's cracked up to be. (Who knew? Haha)
Anyway if a mod wants to move this to the Laid Back Lounge, that's fine. That's probably where it belongs anyway, my apologies.
Your wish is my command.
I used to be curious because everyone talks about, but nah. I'm 26 now, and no longe have the desire for such things. I like to be in full control of my life
Quote from: Asmodean on January 14, 2012, 05:08:51 PM
So... Are you having a pill-shaped hole in your heart, Thunder?
Don't take it the wrong way - I'm just curious because I don't seek a high (Not even through my use of nicotine) and therefor don't really understand people who do. Is there some semi-rational motivation behind it? What is it like? Like a craving for something you never had but could get your hands on?
No, I wouldn't say that. It's really just a curiosity, and nothing more. Like it would be even better if there was some sort of LSD simulator that I could try for a little while and shut off when shit got too weird.
Quote from: Thunder Road on January 14, 2012, 08:24:36 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on January 14, 2012, 05:08:51 PM
So... Are you having a pill-shaped hole in your heart, Thunder?
Don't take it the wrong way - I'm just curious because I don't seek a high (Not even through my use of nicotine) and therefor don't really understand people who do. Is there some semi-rational motivation behind it? What is it like? Like a craving for something you never had but could get your hands on?
No, I wouldn't say that. It's really just a curiosity, and nothing more. Like it would be even better if there was some sort of LSD simulator that I could try for a little while and shut off when shit got too weird.
Me too. I wouldn't try it to get a high (assuming that it'll be a 'good trip'). Just curious to see what happens.
I wouldn't touch drugs again until I knew I was dying. In my first year at uni I experimented with a few drugs and partook in a medical MDMA trail, I had some amazing positive experiences (one would easily be classed as the best experience of my life) and one bad experience, drugs are fun but they can easily take over a persons life - luckily that never happened for me but have seen it ruin others lives. I wouldn't recommend anybody taking illicit drugs simply because you do not know what's in them, many are mixed with very harmful chemicals or laxatives which are very dangerous and just isn't worth the risk for a good time and have become more widespread recently as there is a higher demand but less product available. Drugs affect different people in different ways and you never know how the drugs will effect you until you have taken it, you may try it once and never touch it again but there is always that chance you will be the person that want more of the feeling and drugs will eventually take control.
Quote from: Crow on January 15, 2012, 03:31:06 AM
I wouldn't touch drugs again until I knew I was dying.
The grandfather in Little Miss Sunshine was funny, he used heroin I think.
He told the teenagers they'd have to be crazy to take drugs but old people like him would be crazy not to.
I guess in your 70's and 80's, you can do whatever you want. xD
Quote from: Scissorlegs on January 14, 2012, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: Gawen on January 14, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
What does this have to do with "Life as an atheist"?
My experiences with LSD was back in the low 70's...when it was really LSD. Were I the same age now as I was then, you couldn't pay me to take the chemicals they say is "acid" today.
Are you sure you wouldn't be swept up in the whole culture, just as you were back in the day? You have the benefit of maturity to make the decision to abstain now. The youth today are just as carefree as they (we) were in the 70s.
I don't think pure acid (LSD) is very common these days. They mix it with MDMA and amphetamines and all sorts of other stuff and call it Ecstasy - a more tailored party drug and worlds apart from pure LSD.
I wouldn't say "swept up" was my experience...more like curiosity. Pot/weed/grass made me puke. I've smoked it a half dozen times in the past and all it did was make sick, sleepy and paranoid. But acid...acid back then was the mind altering hallucinogenic it was made out to be and "trippin'" would last 12 hours or more. You saw...stuff. I tried PCP (back then it was called angel dust and got it while in Hong Kong) at the same time and found the hallucinations too powerful and never did it again. The acid people have been making today seems closer to rat poison.
I haven't done an illegal drug in many years.
Now, morphine.....*sigh* J/K
QuoteWould you, if you knew for sure that it would not physically harm you or anyone else?
Well, that's the trick, ain't it? One never knows...
Did it a few times in the early 70's, when I was 18-19. No acid since. I would probably try it again after retirement in a controlled setting. Some of it was phenomenal, some was scary.
heheheh...no... I don't think I would... hehaha.
Quote from: Gawen on January 15, 2012, 12:45:07 PM
Now, morphine.....*sigh* J/K
LOL! I get a little dreamy eyed thinking about oxycontin. I've had it a couple of times, always for purely medical reasons. But yeah, *sigh* LOL!!!
Please,
it is not a narcotic, and you never crave unadulterated powerfull entheogen psychedelics.
How you get it is, I am afraid, your problem.
In a lever-reward cage with lab rodents, if you place one beak with water and another beak with sugar, or cocaine, or heroin, or caffeine, or nicotine -you get the drift /legality is a bullshit charade-
the result is the rodent tries both, and goes for a burnout with the spiked choice until it dies.
If however the choice is acid, the rodent tries both, freaks out, never uses the lever trick again, becomes non-compliant and tries nervously to escape the cage.
A very specific tool, like a micro pliers, that twiches a particular door (raphe nucleus 5HTR2a -I may be mistaken)- half open when it is tightly regulated open and shut usually. This brief interlude of gaping swing is all it takes for lucy to walk in the sky of diamonds and unite in senses the kosmos that (apparently) surrounds her .(ok it activates and may induce dopamine rewards but they are weary and striken with intimidation and awe.)
prefer psilocybe semilanceata, the wild variety, or cubensis as some enlightened flemish civilisation has offered commercially.
ayahuasca , yopo and peyot, we move to the next level, long-lasting meaning and answers can and are derived .
One needs to cultivate and gain wisdom of self prior to the journey. no substance can do that for you.
oe needs to be of stable construction, control along with self id will be lost, so freaking is counterindicated, just as it is with diving at 30m below sea with air taks in the maldives. you cannot change either your genes or your past psychodevelopment/trauma with these substances.
and by the way, I have, about 200 times, some old psychiatry book stupidly quoted "more than 25 times the subject becomes insane", do not try it for fun, fun can be had along with fear, intimidation and insight.
it will bring out what is hidden within. A yogi would not have a problem.
o.O You are talking about. What is?
Either it's late and The Asmo doesn't get it OR The Asmo doesn't get it because it requires a specklet of LSD to get.
I'm guessing I'd be none the wiser even with a specklet of LSD. ???
I understood it. Basically said don't do hallucinogenics unless you happen to be mentally prepared.
Quote from: Crow on January 18, 2012, 07:51:14 PM
I understood it. Basically said don't do hallucinogenics unless you happen to be mentally prepared.
Ah. ::)
LOL
Quote from: Crow on January 18, 2012, 07:51:14 PM
I understood it. Basically said don't do hallucinogenics unless you happen to be mentally prepared.
Ooh..! Like that would help anything... Aren't deliriants supposed to screw up whatever mental preparedness you manage to conjure up? Otherwise, what's the point? ???
Quote from: Asmodean on January 18, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Crow on January 18, 2012, 07:51:14 PM
I understood it. Basically said don't do hallucinogenics unless you happen to be mentally prepared.
Ooh..! Like that would help anything... Aren't deliriants supposed to screw up whatever mental preparedness you manage to conjure up? Otherwise, what's the point? ???
Well hallucinogenics as with other drugs enhance the current state of mind whilst on the drug, the post was primarily about the experiences Scissorlegs and Ecrub describe in an other threads, basically so you don't freak out.
Quote from: pytheas on January 18, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
entheogen
raphe nucleus 5HTR2a
psilocybe semilanceata
cubensis (Ali note: The creation of cubes????)
ayahuasca
yopo
peyot
A list of the words that I now have to go look up after reading this post. I don't know whether to feel stupid or sane.
To be fair, anyone who's done 200 trips is unlikely to maintain anything like what most of you would call sanity... as 100% of Pytheas' posts will demonstrate. That's not to say that their input isn't insightful or valid, it's just communicated in somewhat less than accessible terms.
Quote from: Ali on January 18, 2012, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: pytheas on January 18, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
entheogen
raphe nucleus 5HTR2a
psilocybe semilanceata
cubensis (Ali note: The creation of cubes????)
ayahuasca
yopo
peyot
A list of the words that I now have to go look up after reading this post. I don't know whether to feel stupid or sane.
Entheogen = Is the use of drugs in religious sense to get closer to god, usually shamanic such as using peyote in the peyote religion which is native american.
psilocybe semilanceata, cubensis = mushrooms
ayahuasca, yopo, peyote = all natural forms of hallucinogenics usually used as an entheogen but not exclusively.
Quote from: Scissorlegs on January 18, 2012, 10:30:36 PM
To be fair, anyone who's done 200 trips is unlikely to maintain anything like what most of you would call sanity... as 100% of Pytheas' posts will demonstrate. That's not to say that their input isn't insightful or valid, it's just communicated in somewhat less than accessible terms.
Pytheas just assumes that everybody knows what he's talking about. ???
Quote from: Crow on January 18, 2012, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: Ali on January 18, 2012, 08:43:57 PM
Quote from: pytheas on January 18, 2012, 07:28:16 PM
entheogen
raphe nucleus 5HTR2a
psilocybe semilanceata
cubensis (Ali note: The creation of cubes????)
ayahuasca
yopo
peyot
A list of the words that I now have to go look up after reading this post. I don't know whether to feel stupid or sane.
Entheogen = Is the use of drugs in religious sense to get closer to god, usually shamanic such as using peyote in the peyote religion which is native american.
psilocybe semilanceata, cubensis = mushrooms
ayahuasca, yopo, peyote = all natural forms of hallucinogenics usually used as an entheogen but not exclusively.
Thank you! Wiki is down for the protests, and then I lost motivation for the search.
I liked pytheas' post, I didn't know all the terms but I got the gist.
If you don't want to risk LSD there is always Crow's avatar.
Probably best not to do both at once.
Edit:
Proceed with caution, Crow is going to attempt to turn you into a zombie!
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on January 19, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
I liked pytheas' post, I didn't know all the terms but I got the gist.
If you don't want to risk LSD there is always Crow's avatar.
Probably best not to do both at once.
Hahaha
you definitely wouldn't want to do LSD whilst looking at this.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lq1djidBoi1qzt4vjo1_500.gif&hash=d75618ed0e07442620e0ae8f6ecb4c2906dad998)
Quote from: Crow on January 19, 2012, 02:23:14 AM
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on January 19, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
I liked pytheas' post, I didn't know all the terms but I got the gist.
If you don't want to risk LSD there is always Crow's avatar.
Probably best not to do both at once.
Hahaha
you definitely wouldn't want to do LSD whilst looking at this.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lq1djidBoi1qzt4vjo1_500.gif&hash=d75618ed0e07442620e0ae8f6ecb4c2906dad998)
Not to be redundant, but Braaaaaaaains....
http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/aasaliman/?action=view¤t=Snapshot_20120118.jpg
Quote from: Crow on January 19, 2012, 02:23:14 AM
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on January 19, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
I liked pytheas' post, I didn't know all the terms but I got the gist.
If you don't want to risk LSD there is always Crow's avatar.
Probably best not to do both at once.
Hahaha
you definitely wouldn't want to do LSD whilst looking at this.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lq1djidBoi1qzt4vjo1_500.gif&hash=d75618ed0e07442620e0ae8f6ecb4c2906dad998)
Actually, that's exactly what you'd want to look at.
Curious Gawen, what is your source for believing that acid these days is so harmful? I've taken it once, and have several friends who have taken it a hell of a lot more than that. Besides a bad trip here and there, no harmful side effects as far as I know.
Quote from: Ali on January 19, 2012, 03:05:24 AM
Quote from: Crow on January 19, 2012, 02:23:14 AM
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on January 19, 2012, 01:39:10 AM
I liked pytheas' post, I didn't know all the terms but I got the gist.
If you don't want to risk LSD there is always Crow's avatar.
Probably best not to do both at once.
Hahaha
you definitely wouldn't want to do LSD whilst looking at this.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F25.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lq1djidBoi1qzt4vjo1_500.gif&hash=d75618ed0e07442620e0ae8f6ecb4c2906dad998)
Not to be redundant, but Braaaaaaaains....
http://s46.photobucket.com/albums/f131/aasaliman/?action=view¤t=Snapshot_20120118.jpg
You might just get it. That is giving me a massive headache, my brain might act up a bit and attempt to escape from my cranium. ::)
Urgh.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on January 19, 2012, 05:17:52 AM
You might just get it. That is giving me a massive headache, my brain might act up a bit and attempt to escape from my cranium. ::)
Urgh.
It may be because the animation does not present an even flow. A few fps short of nice :P
I wonder how many HAFers have fallen off their chairs and gone all wobbly.
Quote from: Asmodean on January 18, 2012, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Crow on January 18, 2012, 07:51:14 PM
I understood it. Basically said don't do hallucinogenics unless you happen to be mentally prepared.
Ooh..! Like that would help anything... Aren't deliriants supposed to screw up whatever mental preparedness you manage to conjure up? Otherwise, what's the point? ???
deliriants are datura, scopolamine, mandrake. Psychedelic= psyche+ dilono= soul declaration, revealing the soul is not deliriant.
After deliriant use, one feels lost. bewildered , in need of confort, refuge, peace, worn out.
After a mindful acid or mushroom trip, the next day one feels settled, clear, pacified, and a little more content form the taste of increased understanding
entheogen=en + theos+ geno= inside + god + generator= give rise to the god(s) within you
As an atheist and as a strategy to maintain your sanity, it is always good to remember cause and effect, press the button and the vision pops up, nothing lasts for ever
I have done acid a few time without any negative side effects. Though I must agree that LSD cannot be as pure as it was. That is going by what my Uncle said. One or two hits should have had me flying. I had to take 5 hits to trip on only my second time. If you are going to try anything I would rather do mushrooms anyday.