Title: am i a HUGE hypercrit?
Post by: stephy on November 08, 2007, 04:03:48 PM
Post by: stephy on November 08, 2007, 04:03:48 PM
i have a sister. whos my best friend. shes agnostic, but its not something she really thinks about.
she has a daughter who is 5months old, Mia, my neice. She is havin her christened and asked me to be "godmother" which i said yes to. she knows what i'm like about this stuff though. see the way i see it is as her godmother i'll look out for her, and u know, should the worst happen to my sister, i'm there. thats how i see it. i asked my sister what happens for the service itself, as the thought of just goin in a church worries me as i tend to say what i think too much. anyway apparently i have to "repent of my sins" what!!!!!!! i mean i have to do it, for my sister, she would be devestated if i didnt because of my own stubborness, but am i everything i hate?!?! thoughts?
she has a daughter who is 5months old, Mia, my neice. She is havin her christened and asked me to be "godmother" which i said yes to. she knows what i'm like about this stuff though. see the way i see it is as her godmother i'll look out for her, and u know, should the worst happen to my sister, i'm there. thats how i see it. i asked my sister what happens for the service itself, as the thought of just goin in a church worries me as i tend to say what i think too much. anyway apparently i have to "repent of my sins" what!!!!!!! i mean i have to do it, for my sister, she would be devestated if i didnt because of my own stubborness, but am i everything i hate?!?! thoughts?
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Post by: Mister Joy on November 08, 2007, 04:46:46 PM
Post by: Mister Joy on November 08, 2007, 04:46:46 PM
I'd go ahead and do it. A church is just another building to a non-believer, and confessions et cetera are just traditionalist words and ceremonies that don't really mean anything, so I don't see what the problem is.
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Post by: SteveS on November 08, 2007, 04:54:53 PM
Post by: SteveS on November 08, 2007, 04:54:53 PM
Easy, just repent in this manner: "I seek no repentance as I have committed no sins". Done. Next step.....
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Post by: rlrose328 on November 08, 2007, 05:21:00 PM
Post by: rlrose328 on November 08, 2007, 05:21:00 PM
Oooo... I LIKE that answer, Steve... good job!
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Post by: MommaSquid on November 08, 2007, 05:55:13 PM
Post by: MommaSquid on November 08, 2007, 05:55:13 PM
Quote from: "SteveS"Easy, just repent in this manner: "I seek no repentance as I have committed no sins".
That won't fly with most preachers/ministers/priests. They believe in "original sin" and thus, we are all sinners. Go figure. :?
I would have to decline the invitation to be someone's godmother.
I would, however, accept being named guardian in the parent's will...that has legal weight that doesn't exist when you're a godparent.
That's my two cents.
Welcome to the forum, Stephy.
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Post by: stephy on November 08, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
Post by: stephy on November 08, 2007, 08:12:00 PM
do u know whats crazy.... the vicar person in this service... tells god that mia repents of her sins. is he mental. firstly. mia is 5months old, how has she possibly "sinned"? secondly, who is he to decide whether she does repent or not!!! haha i like to think my niece is going to be a little rebel i dont want her repenting anythin! its just crazy, can they not see how mental that sounds. a little baby that hasnt got a clue. i get quite angry at my sister for the whole christenin thing. its just an excuse for a party. which is fine, but why not just have the party without the church bit? i got christened and fat lot of good it did me!!!
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Post by: SteveS on November 08, 2007, 08:24:38 PM
Post by: SteveS on November 08, 2007, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: "MommaSquid"That won't fly with most preachers/ministers/priests. They believe in "original sin" and thus, we are all sinners.Aw crap. I thought I had an easy out....
Maybe you could claim you were immaculately conceived, and therefore exempt from original sin?
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Post by: Whitney on November 09, 2007, 03:58:16 AM
Post by: Whitney on November 09, 2007, 03:58:16 AM
In the ceremonies I"ve seen the repenting of sin parts involve the preacher sayig "do you repent your sins" and you just have to reply "I do." I like getting married to repenting...
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I don't think your sister should have asked you to be part of that ceremony before explaing what it would be like. But, it really won't hurt you to play pretend for a day just to make your sister happy by doing something she feels is very important.
.I don't think your sister should have asked you to be part of that ceremony before explaing what it would be like. But, it really won't hurt you to play pretend for a day just to make your sister happy by doing something she feels is very important.
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Post by: Asmodean Prime on December 19, 2007, 05:46:12 AM
Post by: Asmodean Prime on December 19, 2007, 05:46:12 AM
Ha, it's not as though you are repenting to some higher power, you are merely repenting to a minister/congregation. It's all formalities to make them happy, it has nothing to do with personal belief (even for the "believers")
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Post by: Steve Reason on December 19, 2007, 04:53:24 PM
Post by: Steve Reason on December 19, 2007, 04:53:24 PM
Sorry, I'm afraid I couldn't do it. I don't need a fucking church's imprimatur to be a godparent. And I'm sure as hell not going to give them mine by participating in their silly superstitious rituals. What a monumental waste of time. :x
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Post by: Will on December 19, 2007, 07:00:42 PM
Post by: Will on December 19, 2007, 07:00:42 PM
We live in a religious society. Sometimes it's just a matter of saying "I don't care enough about this garbage to make a fuss". It's what keeps me from handing out flyers in front of churches.
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Post by: Bella on December 19, 2007, 08:23:59 PM
Post by: Bella on December 19, 2007, 08:23:59 PM
I couldn't do that. Oh my... repent my sins? They'd all have heart attacks! No, really... heart attacks! Lol. Besides, I find it offensive to have ANYONE try to force me to give up personal information.
I agree with mommasquid about the will thing. Just explain your religious beliefs and issues about it to your sister. Just because you're not a "godparent" doesn't mean that you can't be there for your neice.
You know that mess she made in her diaper that got EVERYWHERE? Yea, uh huh... that one. :lol:
So... is the FATHER religous, then? If she's agnostic, why is she doing this?
I agree with mommasquid about the will thing. Just explain your religious beliefs and issues about it to your sister. Just because you're not a "godparent" doesn't mean that you can't be there for your neice.
Quote from: "stephy"do u know whats crazy.... the vicar person in this service... tells god that mia repents of her sins. is he mental. firstly. mia is 5months old, how has she possibly "sinned"?
You know that mess she made in her diaper that got EVERYWHERE? Yea, uh huh... that one. :lol:
So... is the FATHER religous, then? If she's agnostic, why is she doing this?
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Post by: weirdframer on December 19, 2007, 08:55:13 PM
Post by: weirdframer on December 19, 2007, 08:55:13 PM
My wife and I both are atheiest and were asked to be godparents to my nephews third child. It was a baptist service and we lived thru it ! I knew it was all BS but i did for my nephew. We all do things we dont like all the time. Do it for your sister!
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Post by: ryanvc76 on December 19, 2007, 09:22:28 PM
Post by: ryanvc76 on December 19, 2007, 09:22:28 PM
I couldn't take part in it. Religion annoys me to the point of such frustration that I can't simply play the part. Why should you have to go against your own feelings to please them with this hokus pokus shit? You're not the selfish one if you refuse - others are selfish for expecting you to go along with the nonsense!
Sitting in a church for a wedding or a funeral is one thing - you're not required to participate (no, I won't bow my head). This goes way beyond that. Who the hell are they to assume you want to participate in the first place?
Sitting in a church for a wedding or a funeral is one thing - you're not required to participate (no, I won't bow my head). This goes way beyond that. Who the hell are they to assume you want to participate in the first place?
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Post by: tacoma_kyle on December 20, 2007, 11:23:33 AM
Post by: tacoma_kyle on December 20, 2007, 11:23:33 AM
I have to agree Ryan.
It would be kinda depressing to see all the swirling graymatter lol)
It would be kinda depressing to see all the swirling graymatter lol)
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Post by: HappyBigPicture on December 21, 2007, 09:24:18 PM
Post by: HappyBigPicture on December 21, 2007, 09:24:18 PM
Here we are in the Philosophy section, so most of us, I would hope, are concerned with the truth, and if you are, then you should come clean to your sister about your stance. Just tell her you're an atheist and its against your views, or convert...
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Post by: Lindsey_Mcfarren on March 26, 2008, 12:11:38 PM
Post by: Lindsey_Mcfarren on March 26, 2008, 12:11:38 PM
I would hate to dissappoint someone that I care about. However not only do I NOT think I could do this, I don't even feel like I could enter a church. I have been dragged to church so often over my lifetime and HATED every minute of it.
I don't think I could actually have a conversation with someone about MY sin or the sin of a baby. Honestly it would be like talking about flying araound the garden like a fairy or something stupid like that.
I don't think I could actually have a conversation with someone about MY sin or the sin of a baby. Honestly it would be like talking about flying araound the garden like a fairy or something stupid like that.
Title: Re: am i a HUGE hypercrit?
Post by: Loffler on June 28, 2008, 10:53:18 PM
Post by: Loffler on June 28, 2008, 10:53:18 PM
Quote from: "stephy"i have a sister. whos my best friend. shes agnostic, but its not something she really thinks about.
she has a daughter who is 5months old, Mia, my neice. She is havin her christened and asked me to be "godmother" which i said yes to. she knows what i'm like about this stuff though. see the way i see it is as her godmother i'll look out for her, and u know, should the worst happen to my sister, i'm there. thats how i see it. i asked my sister what happens for the service itself, as the thought of just goin in a church worries me as i tend to say what i think too much. anyway apparently i have to "repent of my sins" what!!!!!!! i mean i have to do it, for my sister, she would be devestated if i didnt because of my own stubborness, but am i everything i hate?!?! thoughts?
You take your disbelief way too seriously. Religion is a hobby for other people. If your friend invited you to a football with two teams you don't care about, you wouldn't refuse on principle, would you?
One of the benefits of the secular life is you don't have to waste thought and energy fretting about religious hypocrisy and conviction. Repent for your damn and sins and enjoy the buffet afterwards, for godsake.
Title: Re: am i a HUGE hypercrit?
Post by: Asmodean on June 29, 2008, 04:01:02 AM
Post by: Asmodean on June 29, 2008, 04:01:02 AM
Are you a huge "hypercrit" if you do it? No, not really.
Do I think you should? No, not really. If the whole point is for you to take care of the kid should the worst happen to your sister, you don't have to do it through a religious ceremony.
Do I think you should? No, not really. If the whole point is for you to take care of the kid should the worst happen to your sister, you don't have to do it through a religious ceremony.