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Title: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:17:56 AM
Sup everyone?
I live in the heart of the bible belt, I just quit the faith thing, I want to learn.

I say agnostic because so far nothing I've seen has technically disproven the existence of a god.  I say "but...." because I honestly don't think it matters if one exists at this point. 
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 05:43:12 AM
Hi Brent. Sad to hear about the whole center-of-the-Bible-belt thing. Good luck with that. I can guarantee that you will most definitely be enlightened by the knowledge here. Once joining HAF, faith will never be looked at the same way again. Can't wait for you to reach your tenth post so we can really start a conversation. :) Oh, and be warned, some of us are a bit strange... ;)
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:48:23 AM
I love strange people.  I'm new here, but not to the internet.. If you know what I mean.
Internet exposure is basically why I'm here.

Is there much political discussion here?

I love how fast this forum is btw.  How did they get it so fast, PHP5?
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 05:53:00 AM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:48:23 AM
I love strange people.  I'm new here, but not to the internet.. If you know what I mean.
Internet exposure is basically why I'm here.

Is there much political discussion here?

I love how fast this forum is btw.  How did they get it so fast, PHP5?
Good to hear, because we are quite strange. You'll probably notince that by your 20th post though.
Yes there are a lot of good discussions here. As for what you said with the whole teck-talk, I have no clue. Try asking Tank or Whitney whenever they decide to post on here and formally welcome you. :)
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Happy_Is_Good on December 07, 2011, 06:11:00 AM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:17:56 AM
Sup everyone?
I live in the heart of the bible belt, I just quit the faith thing, I want to learn.

I say agnostic because so far nothing I've seen has technically disproven the existence of a god.  I say "but...." because I honestly don't think it matters if one exists at this point. 

I can not disprove the existence of Jesus no more than I can disprove the existence of Santa Claus (but I do like Santa a lot better).  Nevertheless, this is the truth, and I am not convinced anyone can rightly prove anything more. 

Anyways...I live my life like Jesus don't exist and I suppose you live your life like Santa Clause don't exists (at least I hope ya' don't think Santa exists) - and I hope you live your life like Jesus does not exist, too!  As a result, I consider myself an Atheist, and I hope you consider yourself to be an Atheist.

Fair enough?
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: The Magic Pudding on December 07, 2011, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:48:23 AM
Is there much political discussion here?

We could do with a bit more, I don't know why we don't.
It's probably the regular merciless purges of wrong thinkers.


Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:48:23 AM

I love how fast this forum is btw.  How did they get it so fast, PHP5?

We have a mechanized mod with a wire brush attachment, he uses it to keep us shiny and streamlined.

Ah, I nearly forgot, welcome.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Tank on December 07, 2011, 08:32:52 AM
Hi Brent

Good thing you didn't try and join in Mid-August, the forum had pretty much been crippled by 25,000+ spammer accounts which once cleared out made things a lot better. ALL spammers usually get deleted in less than 12 hours, even the ones that don't post. We only have 2,700 real members and only a dozen or so active at any one time, that makes this place pretty intimate which is nice.

Welcome to HAF. (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg32.imageshack.us%2Fimg32%2F2922%2Fcheersi.gif&hash=d22c932723fd55512134b1ae98b018246ccbb424)

Regards
Chris

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Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Squid on December 07, 2011, 12:39:23 PM
Hey Brent, welcome aboard.

Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:48:23 AMI love how fast this forum is btw.  How did they get it so fast, PHP5?

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Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: OldGit on December 07, 2011, 12:41:08 PM
Hi, Brent.  Welcome.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Brent on December 07, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 08:32:52 AM
Good thing you didn't try and join in Mid-August, the forum had pretty much been crippled by 25,000+ spammer accounts which once cleared out made things a lot better. ALL spammers usually get deleted in less than 12 hours, even the ones that don't post. We only have 2,700 real members and only a dozen or so active at any one time, that makes this place pretty intimate which is nice.
Spam is terrible, I was an admin on a board with about 10k members and we were reamed with fake accounts... Probably 15 new fake accounts created every day. 

Thanks for the welcome everyone!
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Too Few Lions on December 07, 2011, 12:45:51 PM
welcome to the forum Brent. I'm not sure if anyone ever will disprove the existence of a deity per se, but what I can say with near certainty is that the god of the Bible is a human creation, like Zeus, Baal or Isis.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Asmodean on December 07, 2011, 01:40:51 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 12:41:45 PM
and we were reamed with fake accounts... Probably 15 new fake accounts created every day. 
Tank removes dozens of them every day, I suspect...

oO(...Because if he wasn't, he'd probably be amusing himself by changing people's user names or something)  :P
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 05:43:12 AM
Hi Brent. Sad to hear about the whole center-of-the-Bible-belt thing. Good luck with that. I can guarantee that you will most definitely be enlightened by the knowledge here. Once joining HAF, faith will never be looked at the same way again. Can't wait for you to reach your tenth post so we can really start a conversation. :) Oh, and be warned, some of us are a bit strange... ;)

Stange, I have no idea what you talking about  ::)

Welcome to the forum, hope there are some posts that you find interesting.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Whitney on December 07, 2011, 02:53:25 PM
Welcome to HAF, Brent.

You can thank tank for the forum speed; it was having serious lag issues and he figured out it was because we had too many spammer accounts bogging down the system.  I think it is also on php5 but that didn't seem to have any affect on the speed when I switched it a while back.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 05:43:12 AM
Hi Brent. Sad to hear about the whole center-of-the-Bible-belt thing. Good luck with that. I can guarantee that you will most definitely be enlightened by the knowledge here. Once joining HAF, faith will never be looked at the same way again. Can't wait for you to reach your tenth post so we can really start a conversation. :) Oh, and be warned, some of us are a bit strange... ;)

Stange, I have no idea what you talking about  ::)
Sure you don't. Why would you ever? There's nothing odd about you in the slightest. *chokes on the lie* ;) ;D
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Sandra Craft on December 07, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:17:56 AM
Sup everyone?
I live in the heart of the bible belt, I just quit the faith thing, I want to learn.

I say agnostic because so far nothing I've seen has technically disproven the existence of a god.  I say "but...." because I honestly don't think it matters if one exists at this point. 

Welcome, Brent, sounds like you'll fit right in here.  All things considered, I don't see how it could possibly be absolutely proven how life, the universe and everything came into existence, much less whether a who or a what was responsible.  All we've got are our individual guesses and for the life of me I've never been able to understand why one person's guess should carry any more weight than another's.  I don't guess at all because I don't think it matters.

Just to be picky, I don't think it's actually possible to disprove the existence of anything, whether it's god or fairies or the invisible dragon that lives in my garage.  You can only provide proof that things do exist unless you cheat, like I do with my dragon, and claim to rely on faith as proof.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 05:43:12 AM
Hi Brent. Sad to hear about the whole center-of-the-Bible-belt thing. Good luck with that. I can guarantee that you will most definitely be enlightened by the knowledge here. Once joining HAF, faith will never be looked at the same way again. Can't wait for you to reach your tenth post so we can really start a conversation. :) Oh, and be warned, some of us are a bit strange... ;)

Stange, I have no idea what you talking about  ::)
Sure you don't. Why would you ever? There's nothing odd about you in the slightest. *chokes on the lie* ;) ;D

You better believe it  ;D
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 08:02:50 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 07:54:55 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 01:50:47 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 05:43:12 AM
Hi Brent. Sad to hear about the whole center-of-the-Bible-belt thing. Good luck with that. I can guarantee that you will most definitely be enlightened by the knowledge here. Once joining HAF, faith will never be looked at the same way again. Can't wait for you to reach your tenth post so we can really start a conversation. :) Oh, and be warned, some of us are a bit strange... ;)
Stange, I have no idea what you talking about  ::)
Sure you don't. Why would you ever? There's nothing odd about you in the slightest. *chokes on the lie* ;) ;D
You better believe it  ;D
I would, but i can't lie to myself that well.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Brent on December 07, 2011, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 07, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:17:56 AM
Sup everyone?
I live in the heart of the bible belt, I just quit the faith thing, I want to learn.

I say agnostic because so far nothing I've seen has technically disproven the existence of a god.  I say "but...." because I honestly don't think it matters if one exists at this point. 

Welcome, Brent, sounds like you'll fit right in here.  All things considered, I don't see how it could possibly be absolutely proven how life, the universe and everything came into existence, much less whether a who or a what was responsible.  All we've got are our individual guesses and for the life of me I've never been able to understand why one person's guess should carry any more weight than another's.  I don't guess at all because I don't think it matters.

Just to be picky, I don't think it's actually possible to disprove the existence of anything, whether it's god or fairies or the invisible dragon that lives in my garage.  You can only provide proof that things do exist unless you cheat, like I do with my dragon, and claim to rely on faith as proof.
You've got an invisible dragon too?  No one believes me when I tell them.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 07, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:17:56 AM
Sup everyone?
I live in the heart of the bible belt, I just quit the faith thing, I want to learn.

I say agnostic because so far nothing I've seen has technically disproven the existence of a god.  I say "but...." because I honestly don't think it matters if one exists at this point. 

Welcome, Brent, sounds like you'll fit right in here.  All things considered, I don't see how it could possibly be absolutely proven how life, the universe and everything came into existence, much less whether a who or a what was responsible.  All we've got are our individual guesses and for the life of me I've never been able to understand why one person's guess should carry any more weight than another's.  I don't guess at all because I don't think it matters.

Just to be picky, I don't think it's actually possible to disprove the existence of anything, whether it's god or fairies or the invisible dragon that lives in my garage.  You can only provide proof that things do exist unless you cheat, like I do with my dragon, and claim to rely on faith as proof.
You've got an invisible dragon too?  No one believes me when I tell them.

Pffft, screw dragons. I have a unicorn named Mr. Cotton Candy Sprinkles Starfarts III
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 07, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:17:56 AM
Sup everyone?
I live in the heart of the bible belt, I just quit the faith thing, I want to learn.

I say agnostic because so far nothing I've seen has technically disproven the existence of a god.  I say "but...." because I honestly don't think it matters if one exists at this point. 

Welcome, Brent, sounds like you'll fit right in here.  All things considered, I don't see how it could possibly be absolutely proven how life, the universe and everything came into existence, much less whether a who or a what was responsible.  All we've got are our individual guesses and for the life of me I've never been able to understand why one person's guess should carry any more weight than another's.  I don't guess at all because I don't think it matters.

Just to be picky, I don't think it's actually possible to disprove the existence of anything, whether it's god or fairies or the invisible dragon that lives in my garage.  You can only provide proof that things do exist unless you cheat, like I do with my dragon, and claim to rely on faith as proof.
You've got an invisible dragon too?  No one believes me when I tell them.

Pffft, screw dragons. I have a unicorn named Mr. Cotton Candy Sprinkles Starfarts III
I've got a ninja who lives in my closet and he rides a unicorn to my house. It keeps kicking the roof though, so we might need a better parking spot...
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 07, 2011, 07:53:24 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:17:56 AM
Sup everyone?
I live in the heart of the bible belt, I just quit the faith thing, I want to learn.

I say agnostic because so far nothing I've seen has technically disproven the existence of a god.  I say "but...." because I honestly don't think it matters if one exists at this point. 

Welcome, Brent, sounds like you'll fit right in here.  All things considered, I don't see how it could possibly be absolutely proven how life, the universe and everything came into existence, much less whether a who or a what was responsible.  All we've got are our individual guesses and for the life of me I've never been able to understand why one person's guess should carry any more weight than another's.  I don't guess at all because I don't think it matters.

Just to be picky, I don't think it's actually possible to disprove the existence of anything, whether it's god or fairies or the invisible dragon that lives in my garage.  You can only provide proof that things do exist unless you cheat, like I do with my dragon, and claim to rely on faith as proof.
You've got an invisible dragon too?  No one believes me when I tell them.

Pffft, screw dragons. I have a unicorn named Mr. Cotton Candy Sprinkles Starfarts III
I've got a ninja who lives in my closet and he rides a unicorn to my house. It keeps kicking the roof though, so we might need a better parking spot...

Must be a shitty ninja then. Ninjas are not to be seen, heard, of felt. Duh  :D
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
I've got a ninja who lives in my closet and he rides a unicorn to my house. It keeps kicking the roof though, so we might need a better parking spot...
Must be a shitty ninja then. Ninjas are not to be seen, heard, of felt. Duh  :D
Oh no, he's a great ninja, the unicorn is for me, and I hired him. That's the only reason I know he's here.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
I've got a ninja who lives in my closet and he rides a unicorn to my house. It keeps kicking the roof though, so we might need a better parking spot...
Must be a shitty ninja then. Ninjas are not to be seen, heard, of felt. Duh  :D
Oh no, he's a great ninja, the unicorn is for me, and I hired him. That's the only reason I know he's here.

I see, young grasshopper.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:17:32 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
I've got a ninja who lives in my closet and he rides a unicorn to my house. It keeps kicking the roof though, so we might need a better parking spot...
Must be a shitty ninja then. Ninjas are not to be seen, heard, of felt. Duh  :D
Oh no, he's a great ninja, the unicorn is for me, and I hired him. That's the only reason I know he's here.

I see, young grasshopper.
Have you ever actually seen an episode of Kung Fu?
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:17:32 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
I've got a ninja who lives in my closet and he rides a unicorn to my house. It keeps kicking the roof though, so we might need a better parking spot...
Must be a shitty ninja then. Ninjas are not to be seen, heard, of felt. Duh  :D
Oh no, he's a great ninja, the unicorn is for me, and I hired him. That's the only reason I know he's here.

I see, young grasshopper.
Have you ever actually seen an episode of Kung Fu?

Err... no.
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:20:04 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
Oh no, he's a great ninja, the unicorn is for me, and I hired him. That's the only reason I know he's here.
I see, young grasshopper.
hahaha. ;D
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:27:19 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:19:37 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:17:32 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:11:16 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:09:38 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:07:01 PM
I've got a ninja who lives in my closet and he rides a unicorn to my house. It keeps kicking the roof though, so we might need a better parking spot...
Must be a shitty ninja then. Ninjas are not to be seen, heard, of felt. Duh  :D
Oh no, he's a great ninja, the unicorn is for me, and I hired him. That's the only reason I know he's here.

I see, young grasshopper.
Have you ever actually seen an episode of Kung Fu?

Err... no.
Well that's where 'grasshopper' comes from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:27:19 PM

Well that's where 'grasshopper' comes from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo

Huh, I never knew that. Thanks Tank!
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:27:19 PM

Well that's where 'grasshopper' comes from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo
I knew! (My mom was around before it was....)
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Sweetdeath on December 07, 2011, 10:33:18 PM
Budhorse, I challenge your unicorn in a duel with my unicorn. >D
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 10:34:10 PM
Quote from: Sweetdeath on December 07, 2011, 10:33:18 PM
Budhorse, I challenge your unicorn in a duel with my unicorn. >D

Oh, It. Is. On!
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:27:19 PM

Well that's where 'grasshopper' comes from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo

Huh, I never knew that. Thanks Tank!
When you get to my age there's all kinds of trivial crap stuck in one's head.  >:(
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Buddy on December 07, 2011, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:29:30 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:27:19 PM

Well that's where 'grasshopper' comes from.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyJRXvPNRo

Huh, I never knew that. Thanks Tank!
When you get to my age there's all kinds of trivial crap stuck in one's head.  >:(

Hey, you never know when it will be put to good use, like being on a game show  :D
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: not your typical... on December 07, 2011, 10:54:37 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 07, 2011, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: Tank on December 07, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
When you get to my age there's all kinds of trivial crap stuck in one's head.  >:(

Hey, you never know when it will be put to good use, like being on a game show  :D
Yes. Tank should partake in a game show and win us himself lots of money. ;D
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: MadBomr101 on December 07, 2011, 10:57:01 PM
Quote from: Brent on December 07, 2011, 05:48:23 AMIs there much political discussion here?

Just posted one here - http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=8783.0
Title: Re: Technically agnostic, but......
Post by: Jose AR on December 08, 2011, 06:00:59 PM
Hello Brent, technically all atheists are really agnostic, but functionally atheist. the definition of agnostic really hinges on whether you think there may be a creator, but are unsure, or whether you think there is the possibility of a creator, but that possibility is too remote to consider. If you believe that someday, maybe you can flip a coin and get 50 heads in a row, then you are the agnostic type. If you believe that it is possible, mathematically, to get 50 heads in a row, but you will never live long enough to see it, then you are the atheist type. I am also new to the forum and technically an agnostic ( I can't prove there is no Zeus), but functionally an atheist (I'm satisfied that there is probably no Zeus and will lead my life accordingly)
Welcome
Jose