In the "DUH!" category, researchers at the University of Georgia (the State, not the country) found that abstinence education only programs...*drumroll*...don't work at all! A snippet from the press release:
QuoteStates that prescribe abstinence-only sex education programs in public schools have significantly higher teenage pregnancy and birth rates than states with more comprehensive sex education programs, researchers from the University of Georgia have determined.
The researchers looked at teen pregnancy and birth data from 48 U.S. states to evaluate the effectiveness of those states' approaches to sex education, as prescribed by local laws and policies.
"Our analysis adds to the overwhelming evidence indicating that abstinence-only education does not reduce teen pregnancy rates," said Kathrin Stanger-Hall, assistant professor of plant biology and biological sciences in the Franklin College of Arts and Sciences.
Hall is first author on the resulting paper, which has been published online in the journal PLoS ONE.
And if you feel like reading the full research article, the journal is online and open source Abstinence-Only Education and Teen Pregnancy Rates: Why We Need Comprehensive Sex Education in the U.S (http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0024658;jsessionid=7E5D4CFA54B7D9BD98BC2432D43AD046)
Well, duh!
Teach the kids how to use a rubber in stead of trying to teach them that HIV is god's punishment for their wicked ways, is what I say.
Quote from: Asmodean on November 29, 2011, 11:48:10 PM
Well, duh!
Teach the kids how to use a rubber in stead of trying to teach them that HIV is god's punishment for their wicked ways, is what I say.
Well that and it helps them understand better what they sign up for when they have sex as well as going in to detail about other ways to gain sexual satisfaction besides just sticking it somewhere.
Quote from: Squid on November 29, 2011, 11:43:04 PM
abstinence education only programs...*drumroll*...don't work at all!
They aren't working now, but that doesn't mean they can't work in combination with other measures.
We can now recognise brain activity associated with sexual arousal, why not use this for the common good?
Wire up your student, introduce some porn and measure response, inflict great pain until arousal is driven out.
Clothing is much to skimpy and easy to remove today, why not make use of modern fibres and tech to produce garments that truly protect our children?
Parents would have control to electronically or chemically switch the clothing to a removable state when appropriate.
Honestly, allowing teenagers the ability to remove their own clothing is just asking for trouble.
Piercings are all the rage with young people today, why not make use of this fad?
Picture a securely attached penis ring that prevents the engorging of the member, or at least prevents this ever happening twice.
I'm sure all right thinking people would support this device being fitted to young males found guilty of fornication.
In times past we relied on older relatives to chaperone the vulnerable.
Alas today's youth are a tedious bunch and this task has become overly burdensome.
With modern communication devices there is no excuse for parents not receiving a location and photo update from children every ten seconds.
I'm working on a business plan for a total teenage chastity maintenance service for busy modern parents.
The name is giving me some trouble.
Pudding's Pants Protection?
Pudding's Pudenda Protection?
Pudding's Procreation Prevention?
Pudding, Chastity Champ?
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on November 30, 2011, 01:22:51 AM
Pudding's Pants Protection?
Pudding's Pudenda Protection?
Pudding's Procreation Prevention?
Pudding, Chastity Champ?
Not the last one, Has to be a tripple P for the logo. I lean towards number three.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on November 30, 2011, 01:22:51 AM
Pudding's Pants Protection?
Pudding's Pudenda Protection?
Pudding's Procreation Prevention?
Pudding, Chastity Champ?
I like the first and third ones. They have a nice flow.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on November 30, 2011, 01:22:51 AM
Pudding's Pants Protection?
Pudding's Pudenda Protection?
Pudding's Procreation Prevention?
Pudding, Chastity Champ?
The last should be your personal title, and I like the first and third best as well.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on November 30, 2011, 01:22:51 AMHonestly, allowing teenagers the ability to remove their own clothing is just asking for trouble.
This made me laugh, so much. Because it's so true it's sad.
Quote from: KingPhilip on November 30, 2011, 06:03:55 AM
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on November 30, 2011, 01:22:51 AMHonestly, allowing teenagers the ability to remove their own clothing is just asking for trouble.
This made me laugh, so much. Because it's so true it's sad.
I concur. And the moment you allow boy and girl sleepovers, well you're just asking for trouble. And I know this for a fact.
Good thinking, Pudding, but they're going to get at each other whatever you do. ;D
and teaching abstinence is the idiot pope's answer to the HIV epidemic in Africa...
A good piece of research. Pity it will be ignored by those where ideology trumps facts.
Quote from: OldGit on November 30, 2011, 10:47:12 AM
Good thinking, Pudding, but they're going to get at each other whatever you do. ;D
What a defeatist attitude, no wonder you guys lost the empire,
bedevilling gifting us with a relationship with the
crass brave Americans.
Yeah, just reading the title of the thread gave me that, "Duh" reaction. The research and documentation is necessary, though, or else people who buy into the other side of this would be able to say there were no studies to say it doesn't work. Even so, they'll ignore this data. But at least it's there.
Abstinence makes the hard grow longer.
Quote from: not your typical... on November 30, 2011, 12:20:26 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on November 29, 2011, 11:48:10 PM
Well, duh!
Teach the kids how to use a rubber in stead of trying to teach them that HIV is god's punishment for their wicked ways, is what I say.
Well that and it helps them understand better what they sign up for when they have sex as well as going in to detail about other ways to gain sexual satisfaction besides just sticking it somewhere.
That was tried, and it got the Surgeon General who suggested it fired. And if I'm remembering this right, she was Clinton's SG -- I don't imagine things are any better now. I think they should have labs with sex ed classes, and the lab should consist entirely of 30 mins of listening to a recording of a crankly baby screaming.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on November 30, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
That was tried, and it got the Surgeon General who suggested it fired. And if I'm remembering this right, she was Clinton's SG -- I don't imagine things are any better now. I think they should have labs with sex ed classes, and the lab should consist entirely of 30 mins of listening to a recording of a crankly baby screaming.
In my school it worked. We had the lowest pregnancy rate in the whole state. Only once in 80 years of the school being around has one of our students gotten pregnant. And I know for a fact that at least 40% of the student body was having sex by 10th grade.
This information does not surprise me in the slightest.
When I was in elementary school I remember we had some kind of weird assembly with a group of teenagers who preached the virtues of abstinence. They told us that if you use a condom you had a 1/6 chance of getting pregnant - not that the condom could break, oh no, that you would get pregnant/hiv/the clap one in 6 times and the only safe alternative was to never have sex until you're married. I don't even think they even touched on other forms of birth control.
People will tell children really crazy stuff if it suits their "agenda"
Quote from: not your typical... on November 30, 2011, 09:34:41 PM
In my school it worked. We had the lowest pregnancy rate in the whole state. Only once in 80 years of the school being around has one of our students gotten pregnant. And I know for a fact that at least 40% of the student body was having sex by 10th grade.
I'm surprised the hysterical fringe didn't land on your school like a ton of bricks. What all goes into the sex ed at your school?
I am both stupefied and amused that we needed a study to confirm this.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 30, 2011, 08:34:10 PM
Abstinence makes the hard grow longer.
Uh... What..?
Is that some kind of euphemism for "It makes your dick bigger"?
Quote from: Asmodean on December 01, 2011, 03:26:15 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 30, 2011, 08:34:10 PM
Abstinence makes the hard grow longer.
Uh... What..?
Is that some kind of euphemism for "It makes your dick bigger"?
Hahaha. I guess it could with as much of you hand it'd be seeing.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on November 30, 2011, 08:47:14 PM
Quote from: not your typical... on November 30, 2011, 12:20:26 AM
Quote from: Asmodean on November 29, 2011, 11:48:10 PM
Well, duh!
Teach the kids how to use a rubber in stead of trying to teach them that HIV is god's punishment for their wicked ways, is what I say.
Well that and it helps them understand better what they sign up for when they have sex as well as going in to detail about other ways to gain sexual satisfaction besides just sticking it somewhere.
That was tried, and it got the Surgeon General who suggested it fired. And if I'm remembering this right, she was Clinton's SG -- I don't imagine things are any better now. I think they should have labs with sex ed classes, and the lab should consist entirely of 30 mins of listening to a recording of a crankly baby screaming.
Brilliant! Absolutly right! LOL!
Good thinking, but why not add nappy-changing lessons?
After 24 hour sleep depravation.
Debit their bank account $100,000
Quote from: Asmodean on December 01, 2011, 03:26:15 AM
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on November 30, 2011, 08:34:10 PM
Abstinence makes the hard grow longer.
Uh... What..?
Is that some kind of euphemism for "It makes your dick bigger"?
It was supposed to be a play on the phrase "absence makes the heart grow fonder." But maybe that phrase is not as well known as I thought.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 01, 2011, 04:40:42 PM
It was supposed to be a play on the phrase "absence makes the heart grow fonder." But maybe that phrase is not as well known as I thought.
Oh..! No, I did not know it.
And no, I don't agree with it. For me, it was always more like... Familiarity breeds contempt and absence breeds detachement. But then, I've always been a great one for cleaning out my closet and moving forward.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on December 01, 2011, 04:40:42 PM
It was supposed to be a play on the phrase "absence makes the heart grow fonder." But maybe that phrase is not as well known as I thought.
I knew where it was coming from, I just wasn't sure where it was going.
It could be a good promotion for us pro abstinence puddings, leave it alone and it will grow as in permanently measurably longer. I doubt there is evidence for this but that wouldn't stop me using it. Alternately it could be taken that eschewing all relief leads to more frequent, often inappropriate temporary growth. I expect there is evidence for this but I will be denying it.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 01, 2011, 12:16:28 AM
I'm surprised the hysterical fringe didn't land on your school like a ton of bricks. What all goes into the sex ed at your school?
They gave us videos. Lost of them. One had cats on a quilt. Seeing orange cats still scares me to this day... Ever heard of the Miracle of Life video? Basically, it's a camera shoved up some woman that shows everything from ejaculation to birth. The first time we watched it was in 6th grade, and while we were hysterical then, by 7th grade all was forgotten cuz they started giving us condoms. Since we were in a middle school that was joined with a high school and they knew the high-schoolers were very.... persuasive, they figured it was a good safety measure. Some of my most scaring memories were from 7th grade... We learned positions. *shudders*
Quote from: not your typical... on December 05, 2011, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 01, 2011, 12:16:28 AM
I'm surprised the hysterical fringe didn't land on your school like a ton of bricks. What all goes into the sex ed at your school?
They gave us videos. Lost of them. One had cats on a quilt. Seeing orange cats still scares me to this day... Ever heard of the Miracle of Life video? Basically, it's a camera shoved up some woman that shows everything from ejaculation to birth. The first time we watched it was in 6th grade, and while we were hysterical then, by 7th grade all was forgotten cuz they started giving us condoms. Since we were in a middle school that was joined with a high school and they knew the high-schoolers were very.... persuasive, they figured it was a good safety measure. Some of my most scaring memories were from 7th grade... We learned positions. *shudders*
Oh yea, I remember watching that earlier this year. I didn't find it bad at all. I freaked everybody out in my class because I was eating during the whole move.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 05, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Oh yea, I remember watching that earlier this year. I didn't find it bad at all. I freaked everybody out in my class because I was eating during the whole move.
Now it's not so bad, but when it's a bunch of 10-12 year olds, first thing in the morning, and that's exactly how they learn about sex, yeah, it's a bit scaring...
Quote from: not your typical... on December 05, 2011, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 05, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Oh yea, I remember watching that earlier this year. I didn't find it bad at all. I freaked everybody out in my class because I was eating during the whole move.
Now it's not so bad, but when it's a bunch of 10-12 year olds, first thing in the morning, and that's exactly how they learn about sex, yeah, it's a bit scaring...
My dad used to be an OB doctor, and my favorite pass time when I was really little was looking through his medical school books. So, I kinda got desensitized to that stuff pretty quick.
Quote from: Budhorse4 on December 05, 2011, 08:55:03 PM
My dad used to be an OB doctor, and my favorite pass time when I was really little was looking through his medical school books. So, I kinda got desensitized to that stuff pretty quick.
Ahhh. Yeah, we had no clue about anything involving parts below the belt. Now if you asked us what kind of vodka to get, that was a completely different story. But less than a year later, most were having sex, completely forgetting the fear we had prior.
Quote from: not your typical... on December 05, 2011, 06:47:52 PM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 01, 2011, 12:16:28 AM
I'm surprised the hysterical fringe didn't land on your school like a ton of bricks. What all goes into the sex ed at your school?
They gave us videos. Lost of them. One had cats on a quilt. Seeing orange cats still scares me to this day... Ever heard of the Miracle of Life video? Basically, it's a camera shoved up some woman that shows everything from ejaculation to birth. The first time we watched it was in 6th grade, and while we were hysterical then, by 7th grade all was forgotten cuz they started giving us condoms. Since we were in a middle school that was joined with a high school and they knew the high-schoolers were very.... persuasive, they figured it was a good safety measure. Some of my most scaring memories were from 7th grade... We learned positions. *shudders*
Hm, maybe it depends on location, whether the hysterics attack your sex ed program or not. I think I remember seeing that "ejaculation to birth" thing on NOVA.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on December 06, 2011, 11:30:02 PM
Hm, maybe it depends on location, whether the hysterics attack your sex ed program or not. I think I remember seeing that "ejaculation to birth" thing on NOVA.
We had no clue what we were getting into. I think so long as you have a basic idea of what sex is, you should be fine. We didn't so we were not. :P