In the likely event that I should go missing I want to impart upon you a simple summation of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It can be summed up in this way, and is important to be able to grasp it's meaning.
The Bible is about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
That's it. If you are interested and if I am allowed to continue here, where I think there is a potential for some good conversation, I would be happy to discuss it with you.
A sickening tale of a vindictive old loony up in the sky, who massacres his own family in a fit of paranoid delusion. ;D
Ah, yes..! God the absolute power in the universe needed the blood of his kid to stop being pissed at some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy...
That makes perfect sense, you know... If you think the universe revolves around you, which would be arrogant enough for Yahweh himself.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing...
Where are you planning on going, that you feel you'll go missing?
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PMI want to impart upon you a simple summation of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It can be summed up in this way, and is important to be able to grasp it's meaning.
The Bible is about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
That's it. If you are interested and if I am allowed to continue here, where I think there is a potential for some good conversation, I would be happy to discuss it with you.
Why did YHVH's name need vindication?
Please explain not through symbolism but through real terms, how blood sacrifice of a human benefits anyone (people and/or gods).
In your explanation, please also recognise that your beloved Jesus was allegedly human and hence would have died anyway at some point, be it old age, syphilis, leprosy, appendicitis, food poisoning, you name it.
Personally I find the crucifixion story overly melodramatic and rather tedious. The dude had to die at some point.
Then the f*cker supposedly comes back, in the flesh making the whole death act somewhat meaningless. But then he magically disappears again. Give me a break.
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing...
Where are you planning on going, that you feel you'll go missing?
Is this in the same way that Jesus went missing, after he came back from death?
Are you the second coming?
LOL
Quote from: OldGit on October 28, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
A sickening tale of a vindictive old loony up in the sky, who massacres his own family in a fit of paranoid delusion. ;D
Remember how I told you I like your avatar? The reason is that if the average idiot on the street sees that guy coming he will think the guy is something to be avoided. Crazy, dirty . . . but add 100 pounds and a red suit and the same idiot will pay the same guy to sit in a mall with his kids on his lap.
That is how fucked up people are. Both perspectives, the seasonal and the other, are nonsense.
You say it is a sickening tale of a vindictive old loony up in the sky etc.
Actually it is the creator trying to, and eventually succeeding in saving his creation from its own self destruction.
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 07:31:05 PM
Ah, yes..! God the absolute power in the universe needed the blood of his kid to stop being pissed at some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy...
That makes perfect sense, you know... If you think the universe revolves around you, which would be arrogant enough for Yahweh himself.
The trouble is there is only so much I can do with these types of answers, which seem more emotional than rational to me.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing....
Well, martyred for the cause, on the Internet! Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, where are the emoticons when you need them?
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Where are you planning on going, that you feel you'll go missing?
I have never challenged an atheist nor theist community without being quickly removed from it. I'm not so arrogant as to think my superior logic (considering myself having the intellectual capacity, of, say Winnie The Pooh and the relevance of plywood) as the problem.
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PMWhy did YHVH's name need vindication?
Because it was challenged by Satan and Adam. God created Adam to live forever in paradise Earth. To fill and subdue it. He then rested to give man the opportunity to do so. An angel, the most beautiful of angels, was placed in a closed off area of the planet. That angel deceived Eve. The Hebrew word satan means adversary or resistor, the word devil means slanderer, liar.
Eve was deceived but not Adam. Adam listen to Eve and decided for himself that he would get to know, that is, have an intimate knowledge based upon experience , put simply to continue to decide for himself what was good and what was bad. He challenged Jehovah's sovereignty. Jehovah, having given Adam the earth, in the name of justice, decided that it was only fair to let man give it his best shot without any interference from God. God allowed this, up to a point. The point of destruction. He won't allow a few to spoil it for all.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:31:09 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 07:31:05 PM
Ah, yes..! God the absolute power in the universe needed the blood of his kid to stop being pissed at some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy...
That makes perfect sense, you know... If you think the universe revolves around you, which would be arrogant enough for Yahweh himself.
The trouble is there is only so much I can do with these types of answers, which seem more emotional than rational to me.
Ok, I shall rephrase:
With the universe as vast and diverse as the one we inhabit, why would gods even care what some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy is up to, unless what they are up to is a diret threat to them?
One would assume, and not without reason, that being the superpower in the universe, Yahweh wouldn't be threatened by actions of such. To put it in comparison: You don't get pissed off at a mosquito trying to suck some blood out of you - you slap the thing dead and move on, or simply ignore it. You do not go around giving mosquitos a second chance, knowing that they will still do what mosquitos do. By much the same, only on a far grander scale, as powerful as Abrahamic theists make their god sound, we should be FAR beneath its notice.
To assume otherwise, since assume is all we can do when speaking of gods, would be baseless and arrogant.
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
Please explain not through symbolism but through real terms, how blood sacrifice of a human benefits anyone (people and/or gods).
In your explanation, please also recognise that your beloved Jesus was allegedly human and hence would have died anyway at some point, be it old age, syphilis, leprosy, appendicitis, food poisoning, you name it.
Blood is the life, it is sacred and it belongs to God. Ezekiel 18:4 says that the soul dies, it belongs to God. God created life and considers it his responsibility. This is why the blood of an animal must be drained before eating the animal. It demonstrates that the life is Jehovah's, he allows us eat the flesh, but the soul, the blood must be poured onto the ground as God's.
Genesis 9:3-4 - Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul - its blood - you must not eat.
So for the spilling of blood there can only be one means of obtaining justice. The spilling of blood. In other words if a person murders another person that person's blood must be spilled. If a murder victim was found without anyone knowing who spilt the blood the nearest village to the scene was held responsible and justice could only be had by the sacrifice of a bull. See Deuteronomy 21:1-9. At Numbers 35:26-27 you see the city of refuge where an accidental man-slayer could go for protection against having his own blood spilt by the family of the slayed. If the accidental man-slayer left the protection of that area he could be slayed.
The nation of Israel was formed to provide laws for a people, and a Messiah. The one willing to sacrifice his earthly blood for the blood of Adam and all of Adam's offspring. All of us who would accept it. Only Jesus could have done this because only Jesus was without sin as Adam had been before he sinned.
The laws and the sacrifices existed as a temporary and imperfect system. To educate the people of their sin, the need for a Messiah, and blood sacrifice for sin.
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 07:58:40 PMPersonally I find the crucifixion story overly melodramatic and rather tedious. The dude had to die at some point.
Then the f*cker supposedly comes back, in the flesh making the whole death act somewhat meaningless. But then he magically disappears again. Give me a break.
Well, he was a spirit creature in heaven before coming here as Jesus. When he came back it wasn't with the same body, which is why some who knew him well didn't recognize him at first.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:44:49 PM
I have never challenged an atheist nor theist community without being quickly removed from it.
I have been a member of a couple of Christain forums now.
I have never received a warning or been banned.
The reason is certainly not because Christians are more tolerant. The reason is because of the way I behave, the approach I use to debate/discuss things. I offer an opinion, and back this up with reason, logic, references etc
Most theists that get banned on this forum are those that simply preach and offer nothing with regards to trying to have a conversation or substantiate their claims.
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 08:00:53 PM
Is this in the same way that Jesus went missing, after he came back from death?
Are you the second coming?
LOL
Don't you think it rather likely that even in my best behavior I will be removed from this forum?
As for the second coming that is religious nonsense. The Bible never indicates that Jesus would return in physical form, but that he would return his attention back to Earth, where he would be in spirit. Jesus' return is often thought to be in the physical form of a man, but scripture never speaks of his return in such a manner.
Skeptics use John 14:19 in support that Jesus return would not be visible and parallel accounts given at Matthew 24:30 / Mark 13:26 and Luke 21:27 as well as Revelation 1:7 in support that his return would be visible.
John 14:19 - Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Jesus was telling his disciples that the world would see him no more because he would be put to death, but they would see him again because he would be resurrected and he would resurrect them in spirit upon their deaths. The verse has nothing to do with his return to Earth. Paul later confirms this by saying that, in spirit form no man has seen Jesus and none will, unless they be changed into spirit form. (1 Timothy 6:14-16 / 2 Corinthians 5:14 / 1 Peter 3:18)
At Matthew 24:30 the Greek word horao is translated "see" but can also mean to discern. A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddell and Scott, says of horao "metaphorically, of mental sight, discern, perceive." - 1948 edition, pages 1244, 1245. This metaphorical perception can also be confirmed by Paul's use of horao at Romans 1:20 where things are invisible yet perceived.
Clouds are typically used in a symbolic sense to signify the presence of God (Isaiah 63:9 / 1 Kings 8:10-12)
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:29:53 PM
Actually it is the creator trying to, and eventually succeeding in saving his creation from its own self destruction.
So again, you have simply just made stuff up.
I am very disappointed considering your original post and your initial answers to my questions. You talked about your position being based on cold hard facts.
If this is the truth then please present your facts to substantiate that your god is a creator and that we are its creation and that your god succeeded in saving us from self destruction.
Facts please.
Quote from: Ildiko on October 28, 2011, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing....
Well, martyred for the cause, on the Internet! Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, where are the emoticons when you need them?
Bullshit.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: Ildiko on October 28, 2011, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing....
Well, martyred for the cause, on the Internet! Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, where are the emoticons when you need them?
Bullshit.
:)
Quote from: Ildiko on October 28, 2011, 09:16:57 PM
:)
You found an emoticon! ;D (We DO need more, Whitney. Soon. :( )
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:11:38 PM
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 08:00:53 PM
Is this in the same way that Jesus went missing, after he came back from death?
Are you the second coming?
LOL
Don't you think it rather likely that even in my best behavior I will be removed from this forum?
We've had some long time theists, Animated Dirt and iSok to name a couple.
They seem to be able to participate without getting banned.
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 09:19:37 PM
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:11:38 PM
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 08:00:53 PM
Is this in the same way that Jesus went missing, after he came back from death?
Are you the second coming?
LOL
Don't you think it rather likely that even in my best behavior I will be removed from this forum?
We've had some long time theists, Animated Dirt and iSok to name a couple.
They seem to be able to participate without getting banned.
They weren't trying to be banned though.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:44:49 PM
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Where are you planning on going, that you feel you'll go missing?
I have never challenged an atheist nor theist community without being quickly removed from it. I'm not so arrogant as to think my superior logic (considering myself having the intellectual capacity, of, say Winnie The Pooh and the relevance of plywood) as the problem.
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PMWhy did YHVH's name need vindication?
Because it was challenged by Satan and Adam. God created Adam to live forever in paradise Earth. To fill and subdue it. He then rested to give man the opportunity to do so. An angel, the most beautiful of angels, was placed in a closed off area of the planet. That angel deceived Eve. The Hebrew word satan means adversary or resistor, the word devil means slanderer, liar.
Eve was deceived but not Adam. Adam listen to Eve and decided for himself that he would get to know, that is, have an intimate knowledge based upon experience , put simply to continue to decide for himself what was good and what was bad. He challenged Jehovah's sovereignty. Jehovah, having given Adam the earth, in the name of justice, decided that it was only fair to let man give it his best shot without any interference from God. God allowed this, up to a point. The point of destruction. He won't allow a few to spoil it for all.
Please note what I highlighted. So you get kicked off of lot of forums? Why am I not surprised? Earthling if you're getting kicked of off multiple forums maybe you should realise that your behaviour is the common factor here and that as you are responsible for your behaviour you are responsible for being kicked off.
Quote from: Ildiko on October 28, 2011, 09:23:53 PM
They weren't trying to be banned though.
Discussions with AD made for some fine reading too. Don't think I bit him once, for that very reason...
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:44:49 PMI have never challenged an atheist nor theist community without being quickly removed from it. I'm not so arrogant as to think my superior logic (considering myself having the intellectual capacity, of, say Winnie The Pooh and the relevance of plywood) as the problem.
Oh. You mean get banned. That's not "going missing," that's "getting kicked out." Well, read the Forum Rules (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=1522.0) and abide by them (I'm pretty sure that you agreed to do that when you joined the forum) and you will not be at risk of banning. We have members here who belong to various faiths, who by the simple expedient of abiding by the forum rules have been welcome contributors to this place for as long as they wished to remain. If you feel that you are unable to abide by the rules here, then I expect that you will be subject to the Rule Enforcement Process (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=3015.0) of this forum. I've been a member here for a while, and in my experience, members here do not "go missing" as a result of moderator or administrative action without any warning. They do wander away without saying goodbye sometimes though.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:44:49 PMQuote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PMWhy did YHVH's name need vindication?
Because it was challenged by Satan and Adam. God created Adam to live forever in paradise Earth. To fill and subdue it. He then rested to give man the opportunity to do so. An angel, the most beautiful of angels, was placed in a closed off area of the planet. That angel deceived Eve. The Hebrew word satan means adversary or resistor, the word devil means slanderer, liar.
Eve was deceived but not Adam. Adam listen to Eve and decided for himself that he would get to know, that is, have an intimate knowledge based upon experience , put simply to continue to decide for himself what was good and what was bad. He challenged Jehovah's sovereignty. Jehovah, having given Adam the earth, in the name of justice, decided that it was only fair to let man give it his best shot without any interference from God. God allowed this, up to a point. The point of destruction. He won't allow a few to spoil it for all.
In my understanding, YHVH also called himself "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh" (I Am that I Am). I don't see any challenge to his "am-ness" in this story.
Quote from: Ildiko on October 28, 2011, 09:23:53 PMThey weren't trying to be banned though.
Now I'm trying to get banned! I don't believe in the process of martyrdom through the continuation of willful ignorance on the part of the Atheist community, believe it or not. I don't see it that way. I get banned because I want to have good conversations with people who see things differently, but those people, uninterested, can't ignore the presence of something perceived, ridiculously, as a threat or opposition to their world view.
Different side of the same coin.
You are funny, Earthling, very funny.
These good conversations you talk about, do all parties in the conversation have the opinion that these are good conversations?
Quote from: Tank on October 28, 2011, 09:27:14 PM
Please note what I highlighted. So you get kicked off of lot of forums? Why am I not surprised? Earthling if you're getting kicked of off multiple forums maybe you should realise that your behaviour is the common factor here and that as you are responsible for your behaviour you are responsible for being kicked off.
Do you honestly believe that? For which travesty of behaviour am I at fault? Which rule did I break? Being called a stupid pig by you, a moderator, or being told to fuck off by Attila?
For preaching which is another word for teaching.
The atheists proclaim the Bible to be bullshit while being willfully ignorant of it all the while citing "evidence" and "rational thinking" on their side and are disgusted with having to manufacture "martyrs" so that they can continue to do so.
Its laughable.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
For preaching which is another word for teaching.
...Seriously?
Why do we have two words for the same thing then? Mayhaps it is because preaching is NOT the same as teaching..?
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
For preaching which is another word for teaching.
Teaching:
If you combine Hydrochloric Acid HCl with Sodium Hydroxide NaOH you get Sodium Chloride NaCl (commonly known as Salt) and H2O (commonly known as water). Now to prove this lets do this experiment.
Preaching:
God is great, creator of all things, god came to earth and killed himself to save us. Praise the lord.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 28, 2011, 09:27:14 PM
Please note what I highlighted. So you get kicked off of lot of forums? Why am I not surprised? Earthling if you're getting kicked of off multiple forums maybe you should realise that your behaviour is the common factor here and that as you are responsible for your behaviour you are responsible for being kicked off.
Do you honestly believe that? For which travesty of behaviour am I at fault? Which rule did I break? Being called a stupid pig by you, a moderator, or being told to fuck off by Attila?
For preaching which is another word for teaching.
The atheists proclaim the Bible to be bullshit while being willfully ignorant of it all the while citing "evidence" and "rational thinking" on their side and are disgusted with having to manufacture "martyrs" so that they can continue to do so.
Its laughable.
Preaching is not teaching, and there in lies your problem, if you don't understand the difference between the two you're on a hiding to nothing. And who asked you to come here to preach/teach anyway? You have taken it upon yourself to do it. The thing is you haven't said anything we haven't heard before. You've 'fessed up to being a conspiracy theorist (9/11 truther), said you believe in the Biblical flood and in just one line dismissed evolutionary theory. Just how much credibility do expect to have after doing those things? Well just in case you are under any misapprehension the answer is '0', none, sweet FA.
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 09:43:28 PM
You are funny, Earthling, very funny.
These good conversations you talk about, do all parties in the conversation have the opinion that these are good conversations?
I seem to recall a couple of them expressing interest upon my arrival which was shaky at best, thanks to an eagerness for what? Good conversation or bloodsport?
Why don't you introduce a topic in which I can address any real challenge to the Bible other than the opinion and hearsay. We can move on at least until I'm gone and stop wasting time with this drama?
In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.
Idiot sons a bitches. Stop wasting my fucking time.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.
...So, the burden of proof is on you, and yet you challenge
us to prove things to you..? Prove your point first, if you have any. If you manage as much, we can
then attempt to disprove it.
Oh, and getting all ad-hominem confrontational about it sort of makes
you look the idiot... Besides, let's face it, you have nothing better to do with your time, or you wouldn't be here in the first place.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.
Do you know what an Atheist is?
A person who lacks a belief in gods.
You are an Atheist with regards to the Greek gods, the Maori gods, the Hindi gods...
An Atheist does not necessarily claim that they have proof that gods don't exist. How can we disprove something that isn't clearly defined, or whose definition is in the metaphysical non material realm?
There is a slight difference between saying "I don't believe in Gods" or saying "I believe (or have proof) that gods definitely don't exist.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
Idiot sons a bitches. Stop wasting my fucking time.
You have chosen to come and visit us, You have chosen to participate on this forum. So who is it that is wasting your time?
If your intent is to teach then you need to find willing students. This forum isn't a classroom for people eager to learn how to believe in the Christian god. Maybe you could seek a career as a Sunday School teacher?
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:47:47 PMThe atheists proclaim the Bible to be bullshit while being willfully ignorant of it all the while citing "evidence" and "rational thinking" on their side and are disgusted with having to manufacture "martyrs" so that they can continue to do so.
Its laughable.
Heh, I would agree that there are some atheists who are willfully ignorant of the Bible. However, a broad generalization from this to "the atheists" is laughable as well. I'm not sure what you mean when you write of manufacturing martyrs; would you mind clarifying?
You can find some extensive critiques of the Bible here from people who appear to have a very respectable knowledge of it. One of the more recent that comes to mind is
Gawen's examination of the Sermon on the Mount (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=8400.0). Why don't you make yourself useful and give us a good Christian rebuttal to at least some of the points that he makes there?
Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:14:39 PM
Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.
A bit dry though, doncha' think..? Needs a little of that... That something, which ze French call a certain... Ol' Git, where are you?! I stabbed meself with ze French sword again! :-\
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:14:39 PM
Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.
A bit dry though, doncha' think..? Needs a little of that... That something, which ze French call a certain... Ol' Git, where are you?! I stabbed meself with ze French sword again! :-\
Yes,
je ne sais quoi. Well, I think that's there, but maybe I'm relying on my imagination to supply it. I see
Earthling grinding his teeth and growling when he types those words. I hope he doesn't break his computer by frothing on it or pounding on the keyboard in anger.
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:23:23 PM
I see Earthling grinding his teeth and growling when he types those words. I hope he doesn't break his computer by frothing on it or pounding on the keyboard in anger.
Asmodean's buzz is hereby restored! ;D Thank you for the most amusing images in my clayish head ;D
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:23:23 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:14:39 PM
Your last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.
A bit dry though, doncha' think..? Needs a little of that... That something, which ze French call a certain... Ol' Git, where are you?! I stabbed meself with ze French sword again! :-\
Yes, je ne sais quoi. Well, I think that's there, but maybe I'm relying on my imagination to supply it. I see Earthling grinding his teeth and growling when he types those words. I hope he doesn't break his computer by frothing on it or pounding on the keyboard in anger.
On second thought I think he may be unsuitable as a Sunday School Teacher, maybe instead some sort of job that doesn't involve interaction with people.
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 10:32:48 PM
On second thought I think he may be unsuitable as a Sunday School Teacher, maybe instead some sort of job that doesn't involve interaction with people.
Death row chaplain... I don't know why, but seems... Appropriate. Bad temper with those guys can get a guy's legs ripped off though... So maybe not... :-\
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 09:27:52 PM
In my understanding, YHVH also called himself "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh" (I Am that I Am). I don't see any challenge to his "am-ness" in this story.
Quote from: Exodus 3:14 (New World Translation)At this God said to Moses: "I shall prove to be what I shall prove to be." And he added: "This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, 'I shall prove to be has sent me to you.'"
Footnote: "I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE." Heb., ה ר ה (ʼEh‧yeh′ ʼAsher′ ʼEh‧yeh′), God's own self-designation; Leeser, "I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE"; Rotherham, "I Will Become whatsoever I please." Gr., E‧go′ ei‧mi ho on, "I am The Being," or, "I am The Existing One"; Lat., e′go sum qui sum, "I am Who I am." ʼEh‧yeh′ comes from the Heb. verb ha‧yah′, "become; prove to be." Here ʼEh‧yeh′ is in the imperfect state, first person sing., meaning "I shall become"; or, "I shall prove to be." The reference here is not to God's self-existence but to what he has in mind to become toward others. Compare Ge 2:4 ftn, "Jehovah," where the kindred, but different, Heb. verb ha‧wah′ appears in the divine name.
The importance of a name in primitive cultures can't be overlooked, and here Jehovah tells Moses that he will become or prove himself to be whatever is necessary to fulfull his purpose in this capacity or any other and they will get to know him as such. It reminds me of the Latin Deus ex mechana. God from the Machine, literally God from our own hands, except that here God isn't the creation of the person needing to fulfill a difficulty within a plot, but rather he is willing to prove himself to the Israelite.
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 09:55:44 PM
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
For preaching which is another word for teaching.
...Seriously?
Why do we have two words for the same thing then? Mayhaps it is because preaching is NOT the same as teaching..?
Perhaps. I could be arguing in my spare time.
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 10:09:13 PM
...So, the burden of proof is on you, and yet you challenge us to prove things to you..? Prove your point first, if you have any. If you manage as much, we can then attempt to disprove it.
I'm not here to prove or disprove anything. Only for good discourse. Down and dirty if need be, but not necessarily.
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 10:09:13 PMOh, and getting all ad-hominem confrontational about it sort of makes you look the idiot... Besides, let's face it, you have nothing better to do with your time, or you wouldn't be here in the first place.
Obviously. I have traveled down the superhighway of misinformation in search of a knowledgeable atheist. I have "talked" to thousands in 20 years doing what I'm doing here. There was one atheist I met who had good reason, evidence, capable of rational discussion on the subject of the Bible. Here is what a conversation with that gentlemen and myself looked like.
Discussion between Daystar (Me) and an informed Atheist named Jim AKA Rambo. (http://sabdiscussionboard.yuku.com/topic/4063/Ark-of-the-covenant-befroe-it-was-built?page=1#.TqtCu3Jeu90)
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 09:43:28 PM
You are funny, Earthling, very funny.
These good conversations you talk about, do all parties in the conversation have the opinion that these are good conversations?
I seem to recall a couple of them expressing interest upon my arrival which was shaky at best, thanks to an eagerness for what? Good conversation or bloodsport?
Why don't you introduce a topic in which I can address any real challenge to the Bible other than the opinion and hearsay. We can move on at least until I'm gone and stop wasting time with this drama?
In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.
Idiot sons a bitches. Stop wasting my fucking time.
I thought I'd already done that in answer to your first thread! If you don't want to accept the archaeological and scientific evidence that shows your holy book is largely just myths and stories and not historically accurate, not my problem. The Bible is just a book written 2-3000 years ago by fairly unenlightened people. If you're going to ascribe some great place in the cosmos for this collection of words, the onus is on you to prove it, not on us to show you it's just a load of rehashed fables.
I always feel a bit sorry for the Jews. You Christians stole their god and holy book, made up a son for their god, then tell them that they're wrong. Then Islam came along 600 years later and did something similar!
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:14:39 PM
Heh, I would agree that there are some atheists who are willfully ignorant of the Bible. However, a broad generalization from this to "the atheists" is laughable as well. I'm not sure what you mean when you write of manufacturing martyrs; would you mind clarifying?
Atheists being ignorant of the Bible I have no problem with, I would expect it. Its only when they start pronouncing it as bullshit and myth in the name of evidence and rational thinking that I have a problem, especially when they can't back it up. Because they can't.
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:14:39 PMYou can find some extensive critiques of the Bible here from people who appear to have a very respectable knowledge of it. One of the more recent that comes to mind is Gawen's examination of the Sermon on the Mount (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/index.php?topic=8400.0). Why don't you make yourself useful and give us a good Christian rebuttal to at least some of the points that he makes there?
I've read some of it, and it may sound good to an uninformed atheist, but it is just so much intellectual fluff. I can look at the specific link you gave as I haven't seen that particular one yet.
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 10:14:39 PMYour last comment about your time being wasted by "Idiot sons a bitches" is very funny. Thanks for the chuckle.
[Laughs] I do actually say that sort of thing in jest when I figure its over. I'm not, as I think it was Asmodean or Stevil speculated in jest a crazy irate fundi pounding on the keyboard. Not any more, since my medication.
I was cracked up by the "death row chaplain" comparison.
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
I always feel a bit sorry for the Jews. You Christians stole their god and holy book, made up a son for their god, then tell them that they're wrong. Then Islam came along 600 years later and did something similar!
I'm not a Christian. Remember? In my intro? I have never and will never belong to any organized religion. If you ain't baptized you ain't a Christian. I ain't Christian.
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 12:51:39 AM
Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 09:27:52 PM
In my understanding, YHVH also called himself "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh" (I Am that I Am).
I knew it! Popeye is god.
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 01:42:31 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 01:40:02 AM
I always feel a bit sorry for the Jews. You Christians stole their god and holy book, made up a son for their god, then tell them that they're wrong. Then Islam came along 600 years later and did something similar!
I'm not a Christian. Remember? In my intro? I have never and will never belong to any organized religion. If you ain't baptized you ain't a Christian. I ain't Christian.
OK, so you believe that 'the Bible is about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus' but you're not a Christian....hmmmm....
Can you see how someone might mistake you for a Christian as you appear to believe pretty much the same basic thing as them? I've never met a non-Christian before who believes the above statement about the Bible and Jesus. How do your beliefs differ from those of people I'd call Christians? Particularly as there are and have been many different types of Christians who have believed many different things. I would define a Christian as anyone who believes Jesus Christ is their saviour, do you fall into that definition? Out of interest, what are your basic religious beliefs? We know you believe in the Flood as a historical reality, how old do you believe the earth / universe is?
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 10:12:16 PM
Do you know what an Atheist is?
A person who lacks a belief in gods.
That is exactly how I defined it and was called a pig without a song.
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 10:12:16 PMYou are an Atheist with regards to the Greek gods, the Maori gods, the Hindi gods...
Not exactly. I'm like the writers of the Bible. Henotheistic. They worship one god above all others and yet accept those others as gods. Here is a list of Gods from the Bible. I can give scriptural references upon request. Satan, Moses, The Judges of Israel, Jesus, Baal, Ashtoreth, Tammuz, Molech, The Gods of Luck Casper and . . . I forget the other's name. Jehovah, objects made of metal, stone, and wood, and ones own belly. A bunch of others I can't recall offhand.
A quote from Paul - 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 " For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."
To the writers of the Bible the word god was a title without distinction, meaning anything or anyone who was mighty or venerated by anyone. The Bible would have no problem with the idea that Eric Clapton was a God, not as much as Eric himself did, in fact. The word lord indicates someone with authority, usually granted by someone else. Landlord, and Lord Jesus Christ.
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 02:33:40 AM
OK, so you believe that 'the Bible is about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus' but you're not a Christian....hmmmm....
Can you see how someone might mistake you for a Christian as you appear to believe pretty much the same basic thing as them? I've never met a non-Christian before who believes the above statement about the Bible and Jesus. How do your beliefs differ from those of people I'd call Christians? Particularly as there are and have been many different types of Christians who have believed many different things. What are your basic religious beliefs? We know you believe in the Flood as a historical reality, how old do you believe the Earth is?
I understand the possibility of error. No problem there.
What I believe is the Bible. I have no choice in doing so because look as I might I can't find a reason not to. I don't believe in it because I was raised that way, or because I'm afraid of death (been there done that no big deal) or even because I live forever in paradise earth. I'm not a likely candidate for that. I believe it because after very close examination I have no intellectually honest recourse but to do so and the second I find a reason for not believing I will proclaim it from the rooftops like you ain't never seen. Until then it has proven itself true.
As for other Christians the majority of their teachings are pagan in origin and not in line with the teachings of the Bible. Take away the immortal soul, the trinity, the cross, the rapture, hell, that all good people go to heaven and heaven is everything good you can imagine, the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god, Easter and Christmas . . . all of the pagan / apostate Christian teachings and what do you have left?
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 02:58:27 AM
Not exactly. I'm like the writers of the Bible. Henotheistic. They worship one god above all others and yet accept those others as gods. Here is a list of Gods from the Bible. I can give scriptural references upon request. Satan, Moses, The Judges of Israel, Jesus, Baal, Ashtoreth, Tammuz, Molech, The Gods of Luck Casper and . . . I forget the other's name. Jehovah, objects made of metal, stone, and wood, and ones own belly. A bunch of others I can't recall offhand.
A quote from Paul - 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 " For even though there are those who are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many "gods" and many "lords," there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."
I thought you were trying to cut out what you see as pagan influences and corruptions in Christianity. Nothing could be more 'pagan' than henotheism, it's exactly what the Greeks and Romans believed! One god father of all, then lots of other deities as manifestations of him.
Julian II, the last pagan Roman emperor wrote,
'The fashioner [of the universe] is both the common father and lord of all that exists, while the gods of nations and the gods who protect cities have been delegated specific responsibilities by him.'
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 03:05:58 AM
As for other Christians the majority of their teachings are pagan in origin and not in line with the teachings of the Bible. Take away the immortal soul, the trinity, the cross, the rapture, hell, that all good people go to heaven and heaven is everything good you can imagine, the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent god, Easter and Christmas . . . all of the pagan / apostate Christian teachings and what do you have left?
I totally agree, I just think that most of the stories and teachings in the Bible are also derived from earlier 'pagan' sources. I do find your position far more interesting than a standard Christians though, and I much prefer henotheism to monotheism as a belief system, it's inherently much more tolerant. What parts of the Bible do you see as 'uncorrupted' by pagan influence? I'm intrigued. The New Testament was written in Greek, surely that makes the book itself a pagan corruption. Personally I see Christianity as a result of the Hellenising of Judaism, and wholly a product of the 'pagan' influences you seem so opposed to.
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 02:58:27 AM
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 10:12:16 PMYou are an Atheist with regards to the Greek gods, the Maori gods, the Hindi gods...
Not exactly. I'm like the writers of the Bible. Henotheistic. They worship one god above all others and yet accept those others as gods. Here is a list of Gods from the Bible. I can give scriptural references upon request. Satan, Moses, The Judges of Israel, Jesus, Baal, Ashtoreth, Tammuz, Molech, The Gods of Luck Casper and . . . I forget the other's name. Jehovah, objects made of metal, stone, and wood, and ones own belly. A bunch of others I can't recall offhand.
So you simply believe in everything you are told that you don't have proof to the contrary on.
Critical thought is seen as a negative to you?
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing I want to impart upon you a simple summation of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It can be summed up in this way, and is important to be able to grasp it's meaning.
The Bible is about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus.
That's it. If you are interested and if I am allowed to continue here, where I think there is a potential for some good conversation, I would be happy to discuss it with you.
I'd like to know your thoughts, Earthling, on why it was such a sacrifice. Thirty years on earth out of eternity. A death that while unpleasant, wasn't nearly as prolonged or bad as the deaths of countless others. Even if, as some theologies teach, he was cut off from his father during the hours he was 'dead,' it was only a few hours out of eternity. All-in-all, it adds up to a bad weekend, but hardly a 'sacrifice' when he was fully restored to his position in heaven.
Quote from: Stevil on October 29, 2011, 03:50:12 AM
So you simply believe in everything you are told that you don't have proof to the contrary on.
Critical thought is seen as a negative to you?
No in answer to both questions. I never believe what I am told, I'm always skeptical, I demand evidence in making a rational decision. Either I'm informed or I am admittedly ignorant or incapable of understanding. I suck at math and grammar (if you haven't noticed). I have very little interest in science because I see it as speculation often abused in the guise of absolute knowledge. Empirical evidence, peer review all of that stuff is a good idea, and I think that science is important so long as it doesn't, in the manner which I describe, become religious in nature.
Critical thought and fairness with an open mind is my way of going about things. I fuck up. I learn from my mistakes.
Quote from: Velma on October 29, 2011, 05:43:06 AM
I'd like to know your thoughts, Earthling, on why it was such a sacrifice. Thirty years on earth out of eternity. A death that while unpleasant, wasn't nearly as prolonged or bad as the deaths of countless others. Even if, as some theologies teach, he was cut off from his father during the hours he was 'dead,' it was only a few hours out of eternity. All-in-all, it adds up to a bad weekend, but hardly a 'sacrifice' when he was fully restored to his position in heaven.
The price was perfect blood without sin which he paid in full. The point wasn't how much he suffered.
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 03:10:59 AM
I thought you were trying to cut out what you see as pagan influences and corruptions in Christianity. Nothing could be more 'pagan' than henotheism, it's exactly what the Greeks and Romans believed! One god father of all, then lots of other deities as manifestations of him.
Julian II, the last pagan Roman emperor wrote,
'The fashioner [of the universe] is both the common father and lord of all that exists, while the gods of nations and the gods who protect cities have been delegated specific responsibilities by him.'
It kinda makes the entire monotheism vs. polytheism seem, like the issue of Christian morality, somewhat pointless, doesn't it?
The reason henotheism seems strange to you in the context of Judaism and Christianity is that you don't fully appreciate the simple meaning of god, Hebrew el and its variations and the Greek theos. It doesn't imply worship in and of itself, it acknowledges the perception of might or explains a specific veneration.
The Greeks and others felt the same way because god is simply that which is attributed might
and or venerated.
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 03:17:55 AM
I totally agree, I just think that most of the stories and teachings in the Bible are also derived from earlier 'pagan' sources.
I don't agree with that. The teachings of apostate Christianity and Judaism are derived from earlier pagan sources, not the teachings of the Bible. The immortal soul, trinity, cross, hell, Christmas, Easter, omnipresent god, 144 hour creation and much later the rapture. All unscriptural and pagan in origin later adopted by apostate Christianity beginning in the middle of the 4th century C.E. with Constantine. Of course, the Bible is pretty honest and open about the faithlessness of Israel and the apostle Paul warned of the apostasy beginning in early Christianity.
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 03:17:55 AMI do find your position far more interesting than a standard Christians though, and I much prefer henotheism to monotheism as a belief system, it's inherently much more tolerant.
Well, I don't know about that. It is just a question of understanding the simple concept of gods.
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 03:17:55 AMWhat parts of the Bible do you see as 'uncorrupted' by pagan influence? I'm intrigued.
We have to use caution here because, the pagan influence isn't necessarily a bad thing. For example, wedding rings, tombstones, wind chimes are pagan in origin. The months in the Jewish calendar were pagan. Often the Hebrew would take on a pagan name. Daniel and his companions, for example. This was especially true of people in Jesus time. Jesus, Latin from the Greek Iesous from the Hebrew Jeshua or Jehoshua. Saul / Paul, Peter / Simon etc.
Baptism was pagan in origin but only used as a public declaration.
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 29, 2011, 03:17:55 AMThe New Testament was written in Greek, surely that makes the book itself a pagan corruption. Personally I see Christianity as a result of the Hellenising of Judaism, and wholly a product of the 'pagan' influences you seem so opposed to.
Matthew was first written in Hebrew, it doesn't matter what language the books were written in. The pagan influence only becomes an issue if it is presented in opposition to the original text. All of the pagan adoptions of apostate Christendom I mentioned above, for example, are contrary to the teachings of the Bible and pretty well historically documented as such.
If you want to get into a discussion of the significance of some really poor scholarship presented by higher criticism and commonly embraced by skeptics of the Bible you are in for some unpleasant surprises. I see you and others here hinting at those sort of influences, like regarding who wrote the Bible and when, why and what sort of influences supposedly went into those writings.
Higher criticism is really some pretty lame ass stuff.
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 10:04:11 PM
Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 09:43:28 PM
You are funny, Earthling, very funny.
These good conversations you talk about, do all parties in the conversation have the opinion that these are good conversations?
I seem to recall a couple of them expressing interest upon my arrival which was shaky at best, thanks to an eagerness for what? Good conversation or bloodsport?
Why don't you introduce a topic in which I can address any real challenge to the Bible other than the opinion and hearsay. We can move on at least until I'm gone and stop wasting time with this drama?
In your thread I challenge anyone here to present evidence that the Bible is historically, scientifically, factually, prophetically, realistically or any other way bullshit. Start the thread. Put your "real money" or your "fake money" where your big mouth is.
Idiot sons a bitches. Stop wasting my fucking time.
On the basis of the highlighted line I have suspended Earthling's account for 7 days. - Tank
Quote from: EarthlingThe trouble is there is only so much I can do with these types of answers, which seem more emotional than rational to me.
The reason I answered so frivolously and disrespectfully is that I refuse to indulge this nonsense. Religion is in my view absolutely
not worthy of respect. We need to drive it out of our culture and humour is one of our most powerful weapons. Yes, I'm rude, but for a well-considered reason.
Quote from: OldGit on October 29, 2011, 10:20:53 AM
Quote from: EarthlingThe trouble is there is only so much I can do with these types of answers, which seem more emotional than rational to me.
The reason I answered so frivolously and disrespectfully is that I refuse to indulge this nonsense. Religion is in my view absolutely not worthy of respect. We need to drive it out of our culture and humour is one of our most powerful weapons. Yes, I'm rude, but for a well-considered reason.
Amen to that! Doh!
Well...that was fun!!!
Quote from: Gawen on October 29, 2011, 11:47:28 AM
Well...that was fun!!!
Washed my hands of this thread before the fun was ended, but yes, my evening was quite agreeable yesterday ;D
Woah! I missed all of this.
Darn.
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 05:49:51 AM
Quote from: Stevil on October 29, 2011, 03:50:12 AM
So you simply believe in everything you are told that you don't have proof to the contrary on.
Critical thought is seen as a negative to you?
No in answer to both questions. I never believe what I am told, I'm always skeptical, I demand evidence in making a rational decision. Either I'm informed or I am admittedly ignorant or incapable of understanding. I suck at math and grammar (if you haven't noticed). I have very little interest in science because I see it as speculation often abused in the guise of absolute knowledge. Empirical evidence, peer review all of that stuff is a good idea, and I think that science is important so long as it doesn't, in the manner which I describe, become religious in nature.
Critical thought and fairness with an open mind is my way of going about things. I fuck up. I learn from my mistakes.
That's...what science is and does. ???
If what you're talking about is the way that science is taught in schools, you have to realise that schoolchildren are not exactly qualified to judge whether a model is correct or not. Things such as the whole 'teach creationism
in science classand let them make up their own minds' is flawed, because a) they distort evolutionary theory anyways and teach an absurd caricature and b) creationism is not science,
is based on what is believed to absolute knowledge and not open to sceptical inquiry and correction in the light of new evidence.
The facts you call 'absolute' (which, quite frankly, is odd) have been peer-reviewed and come to through the scientific method, which is the best tool for creating models of reality that actually explain vast observations in a cohesive model. It's not up to a school teacher with limited knowledge to tell people that a theory is wrong without being able to show that it's wrong.
This cartoon describes it very well:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft3.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTXQUKzF3tA5HaGuMFJw3NHajyR21ohYNXlLTqLMjG_L5Rm3Ck8UTFKNLzp&hash=dd636447345b4007aa28c5eb43dc3261ac901c96)
I do agree that people don't really learn how to think in school, but you shouldn't confuse that with what the valid facts that they're taught.
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 05:49:51 AM
No in answer to both questions. I never believe what I am told, I'm always skeptical, I demand evidence in making a rational decision.
So where is the evidence about all of these gods that you believe in?
You said that Jehovah created us, where is the evidence?
Quote from: Earthling on October 29, 2011, 05:51:42 AM
Quote from: Velma on October 29, 2011, 05:43:06 AM
I'd like to know your thoughts, Earthling, on why it was such a sacrifice. Thirty years on earth out of eternity. A death that while unpleasant, wasn't nearly as prolonged or bad as the deaths of countless others. Even if, as some theologies teach, he was cut off from his father during the hours he was 'dead,' it was only a few hours out of eternity. All-in-all, it adds up to a bad weekend, but hardly a 'sacrifice' when he was fully restored to his position in heaven.
The price was perfect blood without sin which he paid in full. The point wasn't how much he suffered.
I know you've been suspended for a week, but I still want to reply to this.
God needed a human sacrifice? He couldn't just forgive?
a better summary:
Guy claiming to be god sacrifices himself to himself in order to save his friends from himself but only if they believe he's not just insane.
Quote from: Whitney on October 29, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
a better summary:
Guy claiming to be god sacrifices himself to himself in order to save his friends from himself but only if they believe he's not just insane.
Put that way, it makes the bible sound entirely worthless.
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 30, 2011, 01:18:52 AM
Quote from: Whitney on October 29, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
a better summary:
Guy claiming to be god sacrifices himself to himself in order to save his friends from himself but only if they believe he's not just insane.
Put that way, it makes the bible sound entirely worthless.
Definitely one of the weirdest ever.
I've got the shortest sentence yet... FICTION
Hell it's barely a fragment.
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 01, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I've got the shortest sentence yet... FICTION
Hell it's barely a fragment.
I can beat it for shortness:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_gSILLgrEETk%2FTUKxJ69Az2I%2FAAAAAAAAABg%2F70sYJKnyAzU%2Fs1600%2Ffacepalm7.jpg&hash=b2635fae953258067437a8c231c7f9367a3fc497)
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 01, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I've got the shortest sentence yet... FICTION
Hell it's barely a fragment.
:D that's perfect! If I worked in a bookstore I'd definitely have to put all the Bibles in the fiction section
Quote from: Too Few Lions on November 02, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 01, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I've got the shortest sentence yet... FICTION
Hell it's barely a fragment.
:D that's perfect! If I worked in a bookstore I'd definitely have to put all the Bibles in the fiction section
They already have a section for it at my local mall.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi140.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr19%2Frebelrc%2F199411_1456195264399_1818895456_840956_4392836_n.jpg&hash=1dfab2e9f21970d7a028b04d0e09be8091d3dfa3)
The bibles. They are IN that section, yes..?
Because if so, then Asmodean will save that mall for last on his Burn-a-mall-with-kerosine spree ;D
They're probably in the "absolute Truth" section, along with the Koran, the Bhaghadvat-Gita and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on November 02, 2011, 02:48:50 PM
They're probably in the "absolute Truth" section, along with the Koran, the Bhaghadvat-Gita and the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
In all fairness, I think the Hitchhiker's Guide belongs there.
Quote from: Xjeepguy on November 02, 2011, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on November 02, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 01, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I've got the shortest sentence yet... FICTION
Hell it's barely a fragment.
:D that's perfect! If I worked in a bookstore I'd definitely have to put all the Bibles in the fiction section
They already have a section for it at my local mall.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi140.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr19%2Frebelrc%2F199411_1456195264399_1818895456_840956_4392836_n.jpg&hash=1dfab2e9f21970d7a028b04d0e09be8091d3dfa3)
absolutely brilliant! If that was my local bookstore I'd keep moving the Bibles into that section if I ever found them in any other part of the shop such as 'religion'!
Quote from: Too Few Lions on November 02, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 01, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I've got the shortest sentence yet... FICTION
Hell it's barely a fragment.
:D that's perfect! If I worked in a bookstore I'd definitely have to put all the Bibles in the fiction section
One bloke actually did do that here in Finland. Pity that for his efforts he was rather promtly fired from what I hear :/ Reather for work ethic reasons, then religious, if I've understood corrcetly. Even book shops take things seriusly if you fail to put things into the places specified by the rules O.O
But to be honest, "religion" is just another word for "'we made it up so you can believe it'-fiction", in most cases ;) ;D
And if i had to sum up the bible it would go something like:
When I'm in a good mood, it's silly, when less so, think of every possible way to say "horrible" and "disgutsing" and you've got it.
This thread reminds me of this funny video I once watched on youtube, take a look @ the link :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_k8JjVWQA
Quote from: Too Few Lions on November 02, 2011, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: Xjeepguy on November 02, 2011, 01:17:10 PM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on November 02, 2011, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Heisenberg on November 01, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I've got the shortest sentence yet... FICTION
Hell it's barely a fragment.
:D that's perfect! If I worked in a bookstore I'd definitely have to put all the Bibles in the fiction section
They already have a section for it at my local mall.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi140.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr19%2Frebelrc%2F199411_1456195264399_1818895456_840956_4392836_n.jpg&hash=1dfab2e9f21970d7a028b04d0e09be8091d3dfa3)
absolutely brilliant! If that was my local bookstore I'd keep moving the Bibles into that section if I ever found them in any other part of the shop such as 'religion'!
I came across that sign a while ago and snapped the pic because I found it amusing. My wife did stop me from moving the stack of bibles to directly under the sign. She doesn't like getting thrown out of stores as much as I, nor does she despise the mall as much as I.
Quote from: no_god_know_peace on November 02, 2011, 09:21:26 PM
This thread reminds me of this funny video I once watched on youtube, take a look @ the link :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_k8JjVWQA
LOL The best ever ;D
I can sum up the bible in one sentence...Lets see... there is:
Punishment, incest, death by turning into pillars of salt, lies, deceit, polygamy, women haters, genital mutilation, cutting off hands, slavery, death by drowning, death by crucifixion, a spaceship in Ezekiel, death by hanging, death by beheading, death by plague, death by stoning, by famine and the wild beasts of the earth, death by earthquakes, death by locus, by fallen stars, by hail storms, death by numbers on forehead, and my favorite: death by being pushed into an eternal burning fire or a fiery lake of burning sulfur and the rest are killed with the sword that comes out of the mouth of the rider on a horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.
That pretty much sums up the bible in one sentence. You don't need to see a scary movie, if you want to be frightened or tormented, read the bible. They say the holy book has all the answers, but if I were you, I would just Google it.
a friend emailed me this the other day that sums the Bible up quite nicely, although I don't believe any of it's 1600 years old...
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