Hello I am James Belvior
I am a Christian Male 26 and a Graduate from UNSW (University of New South Wales) in Biological Science.
I believe in Intelligent Design from a Theist God. I hope to join this forum for great intelligent debates, mostly based on science, empirical and historical proof.
I'm sorry, but a biologist who supports ID is either a bad scientist or not a very serious one.
So, are you really a graduate in that particular field of science? Or does your view of intelligent design just fill the gaps in good science?
James, welcome and thanks for putting your cards straight on the table. Here you will be treated with respect but your arguments probably won't be, unless you can offer something new and interesting. Bear in mind that we've heard and rejected the usual stuff many times.
Hello and welcome to HAF, James Belvoir. I'm looking forward to reading a science-based defense of the Intelligent Design position from you. I can think of at least one member here who would be able to give you a good debate on the topic, but he hasn't been active here in nearly a month. Still, I'm sure there are others here who like myself will be interested in what you have to put forward. I would ask some basic questions, but those can wait until you've made 10 posts in the "Getting to Know You" section, and have gained access to the rest of the forum.
I hope you enjoy your time reading and posting here. (https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg830.imageshack.us%2Fimg830%2F860%2Fsmilew.gif&hash=8238eab24d16418eb1c8cd60d971239ab1363c74)
Quote from: James Belvoir on October 24, 2011, 07:39:25 AM
Hello I am James Belvior
I am a Christian Male 26 and a Graduate from UNSW (University of New South Wales) in Biological Science.
I believe in Intelligent Design from a Theist God. I hope to join this forum for great intelligent debates, mostly based on science, empirical and historical proof.
Please explain for us why your email address (david.j.belc***) bears no relationship to your stated name.
Please explain why there is no Google match for a "James Belvoir" at University of New South Wales.
In fact there doesn't appear to be a "James Belvoir" in Australia.
I won't attach too much significance to the fact you can't even spell your own name correctly in your first post as 'i' and 'o' are adjacent on the keyboard.
I love tanks, and the HAF-variety above all others 8)
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2011, 10:32:09 AM
Please explain for us why your email address (david.j.belc***) bears no relationship to your stated name.
Please explain why there is no Google match for a "James Belvoir" at University of New South Wales.
In fact there doesn't appear to be a "James Belvoir" in Australia.
I won't attach too much significance to the fact you can't even spell your own name correctly in your first post as 'i' and 'o' are adjacent on the keyboard.
To be fair, Tank, James could be his middle name and Belvoir could be where he lives. Benefit of the doubt?
I'll let you into a secret. Ildiko isn't my real name. There's no match for my real name at the university I attended. There doesn't appear to be a "my real name" in the town where I live. And the email address I signed up with doesn't give my real name and is based in Spain.
We can't find any course in Intelligent Design at the UNSW, though, so presumably James is home-schooled in that. ;D
Tank, you are one helluva good mod. Just had to say that. My forums may still exist if I had mods that cared as much as you do.
Quote from: Ildiko on October 24, 2011, 11:05:08 AM
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2011, 10:32:09 AM
Please explain for us why your email address (david.j.belc***) bears no relationship to your stated name.
Please explain why there is no Google match for a "James Belvoir" at University of New South Wales.
In fact there doesn't appear to be a "James Belvoir" in Australia.
I won't attach too much significance to the fact you can't even spell your own name correctly in your first post as 'i' and 'o' are adjacent on the keyboard.
To be fair, Tank, James could be his middle name and Belvoir could be where he lives. Benefit of the doubt?
I'll let you into a secret. Ildiko isn't my real name. There's no match for my real name at the university I attended. There doesn't appear to be a "my real name" in the town where I live. And the email address I signed up with doesn't give my real name and is based in Spain.
We can't find any course in Intelligent Design at the UNSW, though, so presumably James is home-schooled in that. ;D
I have given 'James' the benefit of the doubt, I haven't banned him outright :D
Quote from: Xjeepguy on October 24, 2011, 11:21:42 AM
Tank, you are one helluva good mod. Just had to say that. My forums may still exist if I had mods that cared as much as you do.
OCD does have it's upside ;D
Sorry, I wasn't getting at Tank - just being a bit OCD in the opposite direction. And maybe providing the OP with enough rope .....
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2011, 11:29:43 AM
I have given 'James' the benefit of the doubt, I haven't banned him outright :D
I hear the silent "yet" there.
<giggle>
Anyway, back on topic. Hello James and welcome.
Quote from: James Belvoir on October 24, 2011, 07:39:25 AM
I believe in Intelligent Design from a Theist God.
I look forward to your explanation of what you mean by a Theist God and how this differs from some other form of deity.
Cheers,
Ildiko
Quote from: Ildiko on October 24, 2011, 11:46:09 AM
Sorry, I wasn't getting at Tank - just being a bit OCD in the opposite direction. And maybe providing the OP with enough rope .....
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2011, 11:29:43 AM
I have given 'James' the benefit of the doubt, I haven't banned him outright :D
I hear the silent "yet" there. <giggle>
Well you have every right to brook caution as I did ban you by accident, and Attila along with you :o
Quote from: Ildiko on October 24, 2011, 11:51:34 AM
Anyway, back on topic. Hello James and welcome.
Quote from: James Belvoir on October 24, 2011, 07:39:25 AM
I believe in Intelligent Design from a Theist God.
I look forward to your explanation of what you mean by a Theist God and how this differs from some other form of deity.
Cheers,
Ildiko
Would an atheist god be a god with confidence issues? :P
Welcome!
I too am curious to see how you would defend a scientific approach to ID.
You do realise that IDer's differ from people who accept theistic evolution in that they say that some stages are irreducibly complex, that is, couldn't have evolved from simpler parts or adapted functions, right? So far everything they've thrown has been refuted by scientists (some who even accept theistic evolution, such as Ken Miller).
Tank, would you have reacted thus if the OP had stated that he was an atheist? :P
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 02:34:17 PM
Tank, would you have reacted thus if the OP had stated that he was an atheist? :P
The Asmo would have. It's his hobby to run background checks to the best of his abilities on any suspicious-smelling newbie. 8)
Quote from: Asmodean on October 24, 2011, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 02:34:17 PM
Tank, would you have reacted thus if the OP had stated that he was an atheist? :P
The Asmo would have. It's his hobby to run background checks to the best of his abilities on any suspicious-smelling newbie. 8)
A habit I should've acquired
long ago. ;D
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 02:46:48 PM
A habit I should've acquired long ago. ;D
Careful ... there's a fine line between background research and stalking. ;)
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James, what do you think of the UNSW Science Department's position on ID?
QuoteIntelligent design is not science
21st October 2005
In an open letter published today in major Australian newspapers, the nation's leading researchers and science educators have joined forces for the first time to express "grave concern" that Intelligent Design might be taught in any school as a scientific alternative to evolution.
The signatories to the letter include all the nation's peak groups in the field, notably the Australian Academy of Science, the Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies, and the Australian Science Teachers Association.
The letter is a unanimous initiative of the executive of the Faculty of Science at the University of New South Wales, led by the Dean, Professor Mike Archer.
http://www.unsw.edu.au/news/pad/articles/2005/oct/Intelligent_design.html
(note: the link to the actual letter no longer works)
Wow, seeing where Tank goes with this is more fascinating than the potential debate... I'm agog!
I trust you've got more to go on though, Tank, cos I find that a little harsh.
[checks own knicker-drawer for signs of rifling...]
Quote from: Ildiko on October 24, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
Careful ... there's a fine line between background research and stalking. ;)
...A fine line I don't think I've ever crossed, so it is pretty damned thick as fine lines go :P
Quote from: Ildiko on October 24, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 02:46:48 PM
A habit I should've acquired long ago. ;D
Careful ... there's a fine line between background research and stalking. ;)
Tell that to the stalkers, who really do cross the line.
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 02:34:17 PM
{snip}
Tank, would you have reacted thus if the OP had stated that he was an atheist? :P
All new members get a detailed orifice examination. Although members claiming to be theists get the rubber-glove treatment. Not because they are theists but because trolls are likely to play a theist on an atheist site. 98% of new accounts are spammers I create around 40 bans a day.
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2011, 04:22:52 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 02:34:17 PM
{snip}
Tank, would you have reacted thus if the OP had stated that he was an atheist? :P
All new members get a detailed orifice examination. Although members claiming to be theists get the rubber-glove treatment. Not because they are theists but because trolls are likely to play a theist on an atheist site. 98% of new accounts are spammers I create around 40 bans a day.
I think the forum should be tweaked so that you get a bigger avatar ;)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
I think the forum should be tweaked so that you get a bigger avatar ;)
I think Tank should have 3D avatar that seems to shoot depleted uranium ordinance at trolls. 8)
Quote from: Asmodean on October 24, 2011, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
I think the forum should be tweaked so that you get a bigger avatar ;)
I think Tank should have 3D avatar that seems to shoot depleted uranium ordinance at trolls. 8)
Only "seems to"? :(
Quote from: Ildiko on October 24, 2011, 05:06:28 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on October 24, 2011, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 24, 2011, 04:55:31 PM
I think the forum should be tweaked so that you get a bigger avatar ;)
I think Tank should have 3D avatar that seems to shoot depleted uranium ordinance at trolls. 8)
Only "seems to"? :(
Personally I'd rather have access to a red hot poker and a dungeon :D
As with Edward II, eh?
You (well okay, we) are all very naughty atheists. Here's poor James, made one post less than 12 hours ago, and already his Intro thread has descended into chaos.
Come back James - it must be morning in Oz by now.
I would like to hear how James describes ID. If he's just the god kicked started everything type then that's not nearly as out there as the ID created just because fundamentalist US Christians were pissed that they couldn't teach creationism in school.
Depending on to what degree he thinks the I and D are involved then it may become more believable that a degree in biology was achieved. But, James, keep in mind that no one here will care if you have a degree if your knowledge of the subject is faulty.
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2011, 05:30:48 PM
You have no idea ;D
Oh, I think
I have an idea... :P
Quote from: Whitney on October 24, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
I would like to hear how James describes ID. If he's just the god kicked started everything type then that's not nearly as out there as the ID created just because fundamentalist US Christians were pissed that they couldn't teach creationism in school.
I think we may be dealing with exactly this latter situation. Substitute "Australian" for "American". The University of New South Wales (UNSW) was involved in a campaign to prevent distribution of an ID DVD "Unlocking the mysteries of life" to Australian schools.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2005/s1447202.htm
I have ...uh... procured the dvd and it's hard core ID stuff. You can view as much as you can stomach on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_snXUs-31Lk
Quote from: Attila on October 24, 2011, 06:32:56 PM
Quote from: Whitney on October 24, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
I would like to hear how James describes ID. If he's just the god kicked started everything type then that's not nearly as out there as the ID created just because fundamentalist US Christians were pissed that they couldn't teach creationism in school.
I think we may be dealing with exactly this latter situation. Substitute "Australian" for "American". The University of New South Wales (UNSW) was involved in a campaign to prevent distribution of an ID DVD "Unlocking the mysteries of life" to Australian schools.
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2005/s1447202.htm
I have ...uh... procured the dvd and it's hard core ID stuff. You can view as much as you can stomach on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_snXUs-31Lk
An interesting bit of detective work there.
Tank, can you tell me where my missing sock is?
;D
Good job on the detective work. I'm still trying to figure out what the "w" stands for in "www". :)
Oh, and welcome to James/David/Belvoir/Belvior. Good luck!
Quote from: McQ on October 24, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
Good job on the detective work. I'm still trying to figure out what the "w" stands for in "www". :)
Me too. It would make much more sense if there was at least an "ø" there. wøwø, for instance. Perfect. 8)
Quote from: McQ on October 24, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
Tank, can you tell me where my missing sock is?
;D
Good job on the detective work. I'm still trying to figure out what the "w" stands for in "www". :)
Oh, and welcome to James/David/Belvoir/Belvior. Good luck!
I could tell you where your sock is... but I would have to kill you afterwards ;D
Quote from: Tank on October 24, 2011, 09:09:47 PM
Quote from: McQ on October 24, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
Tank, can you tell me where my missing sock is?
;D
Good job on the detective work. I'm still trying to figure out what the "w" stands for in "www". :)
Oh, and welcome to James/David/Belvoir/Belvior. Good luck!
I could tell you where your sock is... but I would have to kill you afterwards ;D
Damn. I like those socks, too. Life is so unfair!
Quote from: McQ on October 24, 2011, 09:40:27 PM
Damn. I like those socks, too. Life is so unfair!
Despair not! We could combine our sock forces and divide them evenly. One sock from me and one from you makes a pair, right..? Well, I have tens of lonely socks ;D
Quote from: Asmodean on October 24, 2011, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: McQ on October 24, 2011, 09:40:27 PM
Damn. I like those socks, too. Life is so unfair!
Despair not! We could combine our sock forces and divide them evenly. One sock from me and one from you makes a pair, right..? Well, I have tens of lonely socks ;D
Hell yeah!
And as often as I end up wearing unmatched socks anyway, I'd never know the difference.
Quote from: McQ on October 24, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
And as often as I end up wearing unmatched socks anyway, I'd never know the difference.
I only seem to own unmatched socks. If the color fits, the size doesn't. If the shape is the same, the color is wrong. Always something. Sneaky, those sock aliens. ???
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 25, 2011, 01:56:16 AM
I'm guessing there's no comfy chairs involved...
No, there could be.
You see, the possible applications of a comfy chair are... Well, limitless. 8)
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 25, 2011, 01:56:16 AM
{snip}
I'm guessing there's no comfy chairs involved...
That is terrifyingly insightful! Are you sure we've never shared a forum before?
Hey James
Your so vain
You probably think this thread is about you
I don't know what is going on here,
But anyway, welcome aboard, it seems you may be able to offer an enlightened and educated stance on your unique viewpoint, I am looking forward to hearing more from you.