Just stopping in to say hello...I was born to a family who are second generation REAL agnosits. We grew up everyone is valid.." shut up if you think anything mean and eat your peas" I could say "shit"at the dinner table...but knocked to the floor if I bashed a religion, culture, race.....I went to a Quacker girls school....where else would very Liberal Agnostics send kids?....my mother opened a family practice clinic in a Roman Catholic neighborhood
I rebelled by secretly trying to join the Catholic church ...was asked buy the Mother Superior..."honey please reconsider this is not for you" While I was pissed at the time...now I really understand she saw me clearly
I am an athiest married to an athiest...who raised two agnostics...two athiests ...as long as I remember I did not believe in God and religion was for everyone elses family...but if you went to church it was pretty you sang songs and Italian families have wonderful breakfasts after mass!
I am an RN a ...admittedly lonely emotionally though choice for some one who does to believe in God and heaven...hard for an athiest...who feels pain the same pain and loss but knows this is final...it must be so easier to grieve if you believe in an afterlife or rmuch easier to grieve
Looking forward to reading more nice to meet you
You sound very interesting, I don't know which part of you to interrogate first.
And don't worry about age, young you is still there and the current young are much the same, they just listen to shitty music. :)
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on July 13, 2011, 01:53:13 PM
You sound very interesting, I don't know which part of you to interrogate first.
And don't worry about age, young you is still there and the current young are much the same, they just listen to shitty music. :)
Thanks I am embarassed my half post posted tyos and all I need more coffee ...sorry if I started looking disconnected!
I am a youngish athiest grandma!
You can modify your post.
I use firefox with an installed dictionary which will put a red squiggly line under misspelt words.
RN does = registered nurse I assume?
Or are you in the Royal Navy?
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Quote from: The Magic Pudding on July 13, 2011, 02:12:15 PM
You can modify your post.
I use firefox with an installed dictionary which will put a red squiggly line under misspelt words.
RN does = registered nurse I assume?
Or are you in the Royal Navy?
Registered nurse
LOL. I was raised in a Quaker school by really good folks not thinkink "Navy" is were my future was....although I was a rebel as I mentioned!
I married a a man in the Army...but he was terrified so I let it slide!...nurses and soldiers SHOULD WORRY!
Thanks is is ok..it is actually more real than when I edit to try to sound more articulate!
Hi hidelight
I just got my first granddson in Nov 2010. So he's rather young to discuss theitic issues. But my 3 kids all grew up with a healthy disrespect for institutionalised superstitions (religions) and my wife and I never even tried to do it. We just didn't tell them to believe, just to understand:)
Welcome to HAF.
Regards
Chris
Welcome to the forum, Garndma! Thanks for posting your intro, too. It's great to have some background on folks. We find we get here through many different paths, but have much in common.
Other "Grands"! How wonderful and thank you for the warm welcome
Subtle influence science art literature...no threat of sin or hell
The other grand parents vote R and talk about stuff pertaining to God Jesus ect...play Xbox
Buy him air jordans on cassino winnings ... cheetoes and milk for a snack and to very snappy little dogs
We go hiking look for bugs stare at stars...have chickens ducks and rolly polly pitbulls
We established a college fund, make carrot juice and ?....white over fifty one of us has dreads ...Tattoos and we are social liberals!
I really try to be subtle...moment appropriate..an offer solid proff and reasons to questions asked not
excuses
Who is correct? f@&$ if I know
I have felt a bit more lonely and up to my neck in end time conversations...glad to meet you!
Welcome Hidelight!
I definitely look forward to seeing you around the forum more. How did you end up discovering HAF?
-Sweetdeath
Quote from: Hidelight on July 13, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
We go hiking look for bugs stare at stars...have chickens ducks and rolly polly pitbulls
Well that's all very well as long as the "chickens ducks and rolly polly pitbulls" consent to this kind of thing.
Welcome!
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on July 13, 2011, 04:55:22 PM
Quote from: Hidelight on July 13, 2011, 04:21:05 PM
We go hiking look for bugs stare at stars...have chickens ducks and rolly polly pitbulls
Well that's all very well as long as the "chickens ducks and rolly polly pitbulls" consent to this kind of thing.
They do...My grands are so close to the animals..and visa versa....I my humanize my dogs so much I really believe they know Wednesdays are grandkid day and if the schedule changes..they seem to stress and 9am Weds if there is no chipmunk at the door they sit staring at it all morning
Thanks again for the nice welcome
I suffer from a tremendous loss in life...my world exploded a few years ago ...I think the hardest thing is ..when you grieve this kind of loss...how as an athiest do you reach out when folks around you all believe in God...words like "he is in a better place" " we send you our prayers" "you will see him again" ...all well and good ..but while I am actually a naturally kind person...and grateful folks want to offer comfort...Anger is a phase of grief and I have snapped at the "he is in a better place" comment more than once....no a "better place" is here with his family..not gone forever"
I think as an athiest grief is a though one..for me it is a down side .. because there is no validation for such a significant loss when you believe the life ended and those trying to comfort you believe in heaven...although I have had look at us with such pity...not for our horrific loss sadly...but they are sad because all the rewards of heaven will not be granted..unless we believe
I hope this makes sense..but in my life the most painful thing is grief ..and how folks respond...
I would love to talk about this further once I get familiar here...I have looked but not had time to do so extensively...for a thread on grief, loss, and support ...boy I can not take the time but the list of painful comments folks make when you are in the biggest hole of your life....really stupid
Other than that...here and now for me
I find it very easy and natural in general to live my life...but when grief strikes with only your family understand the depth of finality...rough rough..and I would love to help educate folks ..but there is no understanding it seems...just that horrid pity
Besides just being quiet or snapping...I need better ways to cope..and stand up for myself and convictions
Thanks so much
back to reading about you folks..
Without the belief in an after life death does take on a far more difficult perspective. I am in no doubt that the 'sticking plaster' belief in an afterlife is a major selling point for institutionalised superstitions. We (atheists) live in reality and pay the price when it comes to death. I have been married for 30+ years now and it's not beyond the realms of possibility I could make it to 50+ years. I'll be honest I don't want my wife to die first. I have no idea how I would face a day without her now, let alone 20 years further on.
It's interesting some believers when they suffer a loss will take solace in their faith and their faith increases. Others reject god for doing it to them, or the impossibility that a god could let such a thing happen disproves him.
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on July 14, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
It's interesting some believers when they suffer a loss will take solace in their faith and their faith increases. Others reject god for doing it to them, or the impossibility that a god could let such a thing happen disproves him.
The later was apparently one of the things that turned Darwin from his faith, the death of his first(?) child when she was 10.
Greetings, fellow grandparent! We need more old 'uns on this forum. Err ... zzzz ... snore ...
false teeth fall out ... zzzzzz.
Quote from: TankI have been married for 30+ years now and it's not beyond the realms of possibility I could make it to 50+ years. I'll be honest I don't want my wife to die first. I have no idea how I would face a day without her now, let alone 20 years further on.
Yes, Mrs Git and I will chalk up 40 years on Sunday, and I agree entirely. Except she will suffer just the same if I die first.
We had a pair of very close friends who had been married for over 50 years when he died last year. She, being a Christian, keeps dropping little references to him looking down from "up there" Of course I dont argue, but it's a bit sad.
Quote from: Tank on July 14, 2011, 01:45:14 PM
Quote from: The Magic Pudding on July 14, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
It's interesting some believers when they suffer a loss will take solace in their faith and their faith increases. Others reject god for doing it to them, or the impossibility that a god could let such a thing happen disproves him.
The later was apparently one of the things that turned Darwin from his faith, the death of his first(?) child when she was 10.
Darwin is in my thoughts when I think about these things, I just re watched "Creation," it's such a beautiful sad story, triumphant too I suppose. I'm not sure if I'd recommend it to someone grieving, maybe after a year.
33 for us
We both agree and trust me it is more about my physical survival...that I have to go first....when he says "I can not live with out you...". I just look at him and he says..."shit either we go together or yeah You go first..you could not live with out me"
I freaking love how many more glasses I have to wear!