Title: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Jumala on March 06, 2011, 10:38:14 PM
Post by: Jumala on March 06, 2011, 10:38:14 PM
At least in its imagery and metaphors. The Book of Revelation calls on a lot of Semitic and Indo-European myths, wherein a Storm god fights a flying Chaos beast and throws it down into the ocean. Between Judeo-Christian and it's distant relatives in Babylon, Assyria, etc. most of hte imagery of metal is pretty strongly derived from a religious background and a religious zeitgeist that IS fundamentally incompatible with people who use microwave ovens and refine amphetamines in their garage.
However, it's kind of entertaining fiction and it's sometimes got more with an orientation towards the world than any kind of belief in sorcery or arbitrary, meddling demiurges and holographic light gods.
However, it's kind of entertaining fiction and it's sometimes got more with an orientation towards the world than any kind of belief in sorcery or arbitrary, meddling demiurges and holographic light gods.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: The Magic Pudding on March 06, 2011, 10:54:58 PM
Post by: The Magic Pudding on March 06, 2011, 10:54:58 PM
Quote from: "Jumala"most of hte imagery of metal is pretty strongly derived from a religious background and a religious zeitgeist that IS fundamentally incompatible with people who use microwave ovens and refine amphetamines in their garage.
Are you sure? When I put a spoon in the microwave I can plainly see the spirit of the microwave is displeased, it will cast bolts of lightning at the interloper spoon.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Jumala on March 06, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
Post by: Jumala on March 06, 2011, 11:06:25 PM
Steel, get thee behind me!
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 06:20:21 AM
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 06:20:21 AM
What kind of metal are we talking about here?
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Jumala on March 07, 2011, 07:16:55 AM
Post by: Jumala on March 07, 2011, 07:16:55 AM
Quote from: "Cecilie"What kind of metal are we talking about here?Most power and black metal, a decent portion of death metal; all sorts of quasi-metal stuff like industrial; a lot of 'heavy metal' stuff like Judas Priest and Led Zeppelin.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 07:54:47 AM
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 07:54:47 AM
Quote from: "Jumala"I only have one thing to say: Zeppelin is not metal thankyouverymuch.Quote from: "Cecilie"What kind of metal are we talking about here?Most power and black metal, a decent portion of death metal; all sorts of quasi-metal stuff like industrial; a lot of 'heavy metal' stuff like Judas Priest and Led Zeppelin.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Jumala on March 07, 2011, 07:55:35 AM
Post by: Jumala on March 07, 2011, 07:55:35 AM
Quote from: "Cecilie"Eh, it was called that before there was much of a modern 'metal' genre; but I will say that they are definitely something different than Entombed.Quote from: "Jumala"I only have one thing to say: Zeppelin is not metal thankyouverymuch.Quote from: "Cecilie"What kind of metal are we talking about here?Most power and black metal, a decent portion of death metal; all sorts of quasi-metal stuff like industrial; a lot of 'heavy metal' stuff like Judas Priest and Led Zeppelin.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 08:05:56 AM
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 08:05:56 AM
I gotta say that I didn't understand much of your post about Metal music being super religious. I suppose you can't simplify it for us (me) non native English speakers?
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Jumala on March 07, 2011, 08:10:42 AM
Post by: Jumala on March 07, 2011, 08:10:42 AM
Quote from: "Cecilie"I gotta say that I didn't understand much of your post about Metal music being super religious. I suppose you can't simplify it for us (me) non native English speakers?A lot of the imagery and allegory used in metal music and art derives from Ancient Near Eastern mythology and Apocalyptic literature.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 08:13:58 AM
Post by: Cecilie on March 07, 2011, 08:13:58 AM
Quote from: "Jumala"Examples?Quote from: "Cecilie"I gotta say that I didn't understand much of your post about Metal music being super religious. I suppose you can't simplify it for us (me) non native English speakers?A lot of the imagery and allegory used in metal music and art derives from Ancient Near Eastern mythology and Apocalyptic literature.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2011, 10:10:40 AM
Post by: Asmodean on March 07, 2011, 10:10:40 AM
In my experience, most metal bands only incorporate religion into their music if their songwriters are religious or otherwise have some connection to religion, like being opposed to it for instance.
The lyrics of the Industrial Metal band "Deathstars", for instance, sometines incorporate religion in a negative way. For other bands, like In Flames, I struggle to find examples of religion really being there at all. Yet others still use pagan mythology freely enough without being even remotely pagan. Sounds cool, y'know...
My band has up until this day not made a single song where religious symbols are used in any way, shape or form and any exception is purely coinsidential and unintended. But then... You can read many things into some lyrics and melodies, so who knows, maybe someone would want to call our songs religious as well. They are not, but if it toots a fanhorn...
The lyrics of the Industrial Metal band "Deathstars", for instance, sometines incorporate religion in a negative way. For other bands, like In Flames, I struggle to find examples of religion really being there at all. Yet others still use pagan mythology freely enough without being even remotely pagan. Sounds cool, y'know...
My band has up until this day not made a single song where religious symbols are used in any way, shape or form and any exception is purely coinsidential and unintended. But then... You can read many things into some lyrics and melodies, so who knows, maybe someone would want to call our songs religious as well. They are not, but if it toots a fanhorn...
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: history_geek on March 09, 2011, 07:31:03 AM
Post by: history_geek on March 09, 2011, 07:31:03 AM
I have to say that there are a lot of metal bands that usually use ancient mythology, and black/death metal, 'nuff said, but I can't say that metal music is super religios or even that religious (sure after listening to Korpiklaani, I sometimes feel it might not be so bad to go pagan :headbang:
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 09, 2011, 08:03:48 AM
Post by: Cecilie on March 09, 2011, 08:03:48 AM
Quote from: "history_geek"the Four Horsemen
[youtube:1rt4tpxy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwypN3YI4m0[/youtube:1rt4tpxy]
Also, original version. Which one is better?
[youtube:1rt4tpxy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-AcYn5gh9Y[/youtube:1rt4tpxy]
Sure, Hetfield's voice is better, but Mechanix is faster.
I like an excuse for posting videos of Metal music. At least this time is wasn't completely offtopic, right? Right?
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Ulver on March 18, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
Post by: Ulver on March 18, 2011, 03:12:20 PM
Metal contains religious imagery simply because god created a rock so heavy even he couldn't lift it.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_Ik2KFmBV-xE%2FS5KIhMd6v-I%2FAAAAAAAAAbo%2Ftn5IiXEGK8A%2Fs320%2F20081217152631_6274_medium_motorhead.jpg&hash=1b2c863baf289b81ffe7cfa60858c34e9011a5ef)
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Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 18, 2011, 04:03:09 PM
Post by: Cecilie on March 18, 2011, 04:03:09 PM
Motörhead is not impressed with this thread.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: MikeyV on March 20, 2011, 08:20:55 PM
Post by: MikeyV on March 20, 2011, 08:20:55 PM
Motörhead is the embodiment of religious imagery in metal. Lemmy is, after all, God.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 20, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
Post by: Cecilie on March 20, 2011, 09:03:01 PM
Touché.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Asmodean on March 20, 2011, 09:15:32 PM
Post by: Asmodean on March 20, 2011, 09:15:32 PM
Meh... Never really liked Motörhead 
/heresy
/heresy
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 20, 2011, 09:56:23 PM
Post by: Cecilie on March 20, 2011, 09:56:23 PM
How about the almighty Tony Iommi?
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Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: MikeyV on March 20, 2011, 10:36:38 PM
Post by: MikeyV on March 20, 2011, 10:36:38 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"Meh... Never really liked Motörhead
/heresy
That's OK. Just remember, Motörhead likes you, though.
Remember, however, blaspheming against Lemmy puts your immortal soul in jeopardy of eternal torment by having to listen to a loop of the Spice Girls, Lady Gaga, and Justin Bieber for eternity.
Quote from: "Cecilie"How about the almighty Tony Iommi?
Tony is Jesus, so he's ok to worship. No one comes to Lemmy but through Tony.
Now, if I could figure out who the wholly spook is. Neil Pert, perhaps?
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 20, 2011, 11:39:08 PM
Post by: Cecilie on March 20, 2011, 11:39:08 PM
Quote from: "MikeyV"Tony wins over Lemmy.Quote from: "Cecilie"How about the almighty Tony Iommi?
Tony is Jesus, so he's ok to worship. No one comes to Lemmy but through Tony.
Now, if I could figure out who the wholly spook is. Neil Pert, perhaps?
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: MikeyV on March 21, 2011, 02:27:38 AM
Post by: MikeyV on March 21, 2011, 02:27:38 AM
Quote from: "Cecilie"Tony wins over Lemmy.
I will ignore your blasphemy this once. See that it doesn't happen again. I will have to send you to a reeducation camp otherwise.
In all seriousness, I'm not a huge Motörhead fan. I like the song "Ace of Spades" but that's about it.
I do like how they always remained true to what they were. They haven't really changed since inception.
One of the best shows I've seen is Black Sabbath "Born Again". Come to think of it, Tony is god.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 21, 2011, 12:02:44 PM
Post by: Cecilie on March 21, 2011, 12:02:44 PM
Quote from: "MikeyV"Black Sabbath pretty much invented heavy metal, so of course.Quote from: "Cecilie"Tony wins over Lemmy.Come to think of it, Tony is god.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Sireal on March 29, 2011, 04:27:36 AM
Post by: Sireal on March 29, 2011, 04:27:36 AM
Ludwig von was the first Metal God-Lemmy comes in a close second and Ozzy is just a total freak...secretly I think he's the wholly spook. But these guys are the Real deal when it comes to religion and metal music- Their actions and music have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with their culture, they can't play worth shit but I do love how they got their point across:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr_RaCM-1ug
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr_RaCM-1ug
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: MikeyV on March 29, 2011, 07:29:42 AM
Post by: MikeyV on March 29, 2011, 07:29:42 AM
I saw that documentary the other night. It was pretty cool.
The media didn't get what they were saying. Calling them satanists when they were just pissed because xianity quashed their viking culture.
The media didn't get what they were saying. Calling them satanists when they were just pissed because xianity quashed their viking culture.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 29, 2011, 02:26:49 PM
Post by: Cecilie on March 29, 2011, 02:26:49 PM
Oh yeah... Those were the guys who burned down the churches in my city. Including the one I was supposed to be christened in. On Christmas.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Ulver on March 29, 2011, 06:48:54 PM
Post by: Ulver on March 29, 2011, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: "Cecilie"Oh yeah... Those were the guys who burned down the churches in my city. Including the one I was supposed to be christened in. On Christmas.
You almost got burned up by Varg Vikernes? That's awesome! er...maybe not.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Cecilie on March 29, 2011, 07:28:29 PM
Post by: Cecilie on March 29, 2011, 07:28:29 PM
Quote from: "Ulver"Not really. It was the year before I was born.Quote from: "Cecilie"Oh yeah... Those were the guys who burned down the churches in my city. Including the one I was supposed to be christened in. On Christmas.You almost got burned up by Varg Vikernes? That's awesome! er...maybe not.
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: Ulver on March 29, 2011, 07:44:38 PM
Post by: Ulver on March 29, 2011, 07:44:38 PM
Booo
Title: Re: Metal is Super Religious
Post by: PrometheusRumiHuxley on April 15, 2011, 03:29:18 PM
Post by: PrometheusRumiHuxley on April 15, 2011, 03:29:18 PM
I think humans are visual/symbolic creatures. Verbal language itself is probably just symbolism, a word is a symbol representing something other than itself. I think the imagery that metal tends to use is pretty powerful and useful. Facing death, fighting the gods, accepting the 'bloody' parts of ourselves, these are things which I think provide intense aesthetic experiences, which people hunger for and probably need. I think a lot of the need for it is in response to the excess suppression of the darker parts of our nature. The response goes to far at times, but I think it's like a pendulum swing back and forth and (slowly) moving towards stability.