Title: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: Sophus on February 12, 2011, 09:43:43 PM
Post by: Sophus on February 12, 2011, 09:43:43 PM
If anyone caught overtime (http://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-maher/index.html#/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/202-episode/video/202-february-11-overtime.html/eNrjcmbO0CzLTEnNd8xLzKksyUx2zs8rSa0oYS5kzlfPz0mBCQckpqf6JeamsjGySSeWluQX5CRW2pYUlaZyMjKyMQIAbAUXOA==) with Bill Maher last night then you heard this....
Roughly, "Yeah, but I think once you go that far to the left you're in the right."
"It's a circle."
"Yeah, I consider Lenin and Stalin in the right wing, but don't tell Rush Limbaugh."
I don't think either one was a real communist, but does that necessarily make them right wing? They certainly weren't aiming for an egalitarian country.
Roughly, "Yeah, but I think once you go that far to the left you're in the right."
"It's a circle."
"Yeah, I consider Lenin and Stalin in the right wing, but don't tell Rush Limbaugh."
I don't think either one was a real communist, but does that necessarily make them right wing? They certainly weren't aiming for an egalitarian country.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: SSY on February 12, 2011, 09:54:33 PM
Post by: SSY on February 12, 2011, 09:54:33 PM
I think it's more a flawed way of viewing the political spectrum. Being incredibly authoritarian is seen as a right wing trait, while a more expansive way of catagorising political philosophies via two crossed axis shows that one can be right or left wing while being authoritarian.
So Stalin was authoritarian certainly, but declaring him right wing based solely on this measure fails to accurately represent him in my opinion.
edit, here we are
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhibalazs.net%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F06%2Fmypoliticalcompass.gif&hash=9cb8133e3a57ce908a9139f56c5cb0ea77275b39)
So Stalin was authoritarian certainly, but declaring him right wing based solely on this measure fails to accurately represent him in my opinion.
edit, here we are
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhibalazs.net%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F06%2Fmypoliticalcompass.gif&hash=9cb8133e3a57ce908a9139f56c5cb0ea77275b39)
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 12, 2011, 09:56:53 PM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 12, 2011, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: "SSY"I think it's more a flawed way of viewing the political spectrum. Being incredibly authoritarian is seen as a right wing trait, while a more expansive way of catagorising political philosophies via two crossed axis shows that one can be right or left wing while being authoritarian.That's why the Nolan Chart was invented.
So Stalin was authoritarian certainly, but declaring him right wing based solely on this measure fails to accurately represent him in my opinion.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nolanchart.com%2Fimages%2Fadvocates.png&hash=b063933b8de18d24737ac2339c3e6cd6dfb727ef)
Although it does have an inherent libertarian bias.
The Political Compass chart is much more neutral:
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpoliticalcompass.org%2Fimages%2Fbothaxes.gif&hash=263e48ab01ae4425dfed9fa1373bfb28ca6af6ed)
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: SSY on February 12, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
Post by: SSY on February 12, 2011, 10:00:28 PM
Beat me to while I was looking for the pic, grrrrrr, though I have never seen the Nolan chart before.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 12, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 12, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
Quote from: "SSY"Beat me to while I was looking for the pic, grrrrrr, though I have never seen the Nolan chart before.It's used on this site:
http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php (http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php)
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: Whitney on February 12, 2011, 10:41:23 PM
Post by: Whitney on February 12, 2011, 10:41:23 PM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Quote from: "SSY"Beat me to while I was looking for the pic, grrrrrr, though I have never seen the Nolan chart before.It's used on this site:
http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php (http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php)
The libertarians link to the Nolan chart on their site (at least locally)...considering that it is known to be biased towards libertarians I find them linking to it and encouraging people to use it to figure out if they are libertarian unethical...
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 12, 2011, 10:50:49 PM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 12, 2011, 10:50:49 PM
Quote from: "Whitney"I know. That's why I said it has an inherent libertarian bias, and said that the Political Compass (http://www.politicalcompass.org) is much more neutral.Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Quote from: "SSY"Beat me to while I was looking for the pic, grrrrrr, though I have never seen the Nolan chart before.It's used on this site:
http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php (http://www.nolanchart.com/survey.php)
The libertarians link to the Nolan chart on their site (at least locally)...considering that it is known to be biased towards libertarians I find them linking to it and encouraging people to use it to figure out if they are libertarian unethical...
To be fair, though, the quiz on the Nolan Chart site seems to be pretty neutral.
Another good political quiz is http://politicalquiz.net/ (http://politicalquiz.net/), which gives in-depth results.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: Asmodean on February 12, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Post by: Asmodean on February 12, 2011, 11:18:04 PM
Don't think the left/right system presented would work over here... 
Our rights tend to be less conservative than lefties... Or so it appears.
Our rights tend to be less conservative than lefties... Or so it appears.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on February 13, 2011, 01:01:46 AM
Post by: Thumpalumpacus on February 13, 2011, 01:01:46 AM
Hitlerism and Stalinism share a few traits: the economic coordination of the state at the national government level, the control of trade at the national level, and the refusal of the government to brook any dissent.
You might draw a distinction, but honestly, this is a distinction without a difference.
You might draw a distinction, but honestly, this is a distinction without a difference.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: terranus on February 14, 2011, 02:54:05 AM
Post by: terranus on February 14, 2011, 02:54:05 AM
Heh heh, my score (http://www.politicalcompass.org/printablegraph?ec=-5.25&soc=-4.15) on the Political Compass was right in between Nelson Mandela's and Gandhi's. Crazy. According to it, I'm a lot more Libertarian than I thought.
But according to NolanChart.com, I'm right where I thought I was - at the junction point of the Liberal, Statist and Centrist polygons.
But according to NolanChart.com, I'm right where I thought I was - at the junction point of the Liberal, Statist and Centrist polygons.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 14, 2011, 03:28:00 AM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 14, 2011, 03:28:00 AM
This is what I got:
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No one is close to me
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No one is close to me
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: The Magic Pudding on February 14, 2011, 04:23:32 AM
Post by: The Magic Pudding on February 14, 2011, 04:23:32 AM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"No one is close to me
Maybe out in the real world you'd be considered a weirdo, but around here you're not unusual at all.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5841 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5841)
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 14, 2011, 04:32:01 AM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on February 14, 2011, 04:32:01 AM
Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"Hooray! ;DQuote from: "LegendarySandwich"No one is close to me
Maybe out in the real world you'd be considered a weirdo, but around here you're not unusual at all.
http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewto ... f=4&t=5841 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5841)
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: ForTheLoveOfAll on February 14, 2011, 09:59:01 PM
Post by: ForTheLoveOfAll on February 14, 2011, 09:59:01 PM
"Doesn't Rush Limbaugh look like one of those gay guys who like for other men to pee on him?"
-Bill Hicks.
-Bill Hicks.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: Sophus on February 15, 2011, 01:24:31 AM
Post by: Sophus on February 15, 2011, 01:24:31 AM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"This is what I got:You're about one grid space to the right of moi.
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No one is close to me
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: terranus on February 15, 2011, 03:50:31 PM
Post by: terranus on February 15, 2011, 03:50:31 PM
Quote from: "Sophus"Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"This is what I got:You're about one grid space to the right of moi.
(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicalcompass.org%2Ffacebook%2Fpcgraphpng.php%3Fec%3D-6.62%26amp%3Bsoc%3D-7.44&hash=a566fb9cf69de756640d5072baa496d3e37c2064)
No one is close to me
And about 6 grid spaces down from me.
Title: Re: Left, Right, Left, Right, Left...
Post by: KDbeads on February 15, 2011, 05:46:46 PM
Post by: KDbeads on February 15, 2011, 05:46:46 PM
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