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Pilchardo: Why, exactly, is it okay to treat women and men differently but not whites and blacks differently? Care to explain?

Not sure you two haven't got your wires crossed about who thinks what.  

Quote from: "Tank"Not sure you two haven't got your wires crossed about who thinks what.  :hmm: What do you mean?

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Quote from: "Tank"Not sure you two haven't got your wires crossed about who thinks what.  :hmm: What do you mean?

I think the two of you have got tangled up in each others posts/threads. I think pilchrdo didn't understand that you are anti-sexism and anti-racism and was using the racist comment to illustrate the stupidity of the sexist comment you referred to. Maybe you should make your position clear so at least there is a base line to work from rather than unknowingly arguing across each other. Just my take on what I read.

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Quote from: "Tank"Not sure you two haven't got your wires crossed about who thinks what.  :hmm: What do you mean?

I think the two of you have got tangled up in each others posts/threads. I think pilchrdo didn't understand that you are anti-sexism and anti-racism and was using the racist comment to illustrate the stupidity of the sexist comment you referred to. Maybe you should make your position clear so at least there is a base line to work from rather than unknowingly arguing across each other. Just my take on what I read.

I think he understood it perfectly. I'm fairly certain he's Bubblepot, so it's likely he's just being a troll again.

LS you chauvinistic pig!

No I kid, so let me get this straight, are you being called a sexist/racist over a misunderstanding or what? I think I feel like taking part in a discussion again instead of leaving little comments here and there while I lurk.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"LS you chauvinistic pig!

No I kid, so let me get this straight, are you being called a sexist/racist over a misunderstanding or what? I think I feel like taking part in a discussion again instead of leaving little comments here and there while I lurk.

Pilchardo said that it's okay to treat men and women differently since they are different. I replied that with that line of thinking, it's okay to treat white people differently than black people because they are different. I asked him what his reasoning was for it's okay to treat people of different genders differently. He told me to make a new thread. I did. Now I'm awaiting his response.

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Quote from: "Ultima22689"LS you chauvinistic pig!

No I kid, so let me get this straight, are you being called a sexist/racist over a misunderstanding or what? I think I feel like taking part in a discussion again instead of leaving little comments here and there while I lurk.

Pilchardo said that it's okay to treat men and women differently since they are different. I replied that with that line of thinking, it's okay to treat white people differently than black people because they are different. I asked him what his reasoning was for it's okay to treat people of different genders differently. He told me to make a new thread. I did. Now I'm awaiting his response.

I stand corrected. I did not realise that pilchardo had made the original statement regarding differential treatment of the genders. I shall await his defence of this position with interest.

Yes i'm trembling with antici...........pation!

Good grief.  Of course it's okay to treat the sexes differently, in certain circumstances.  Boxing matches, maternity leave, mammograms, prostate exams.  Male and female brains probably have certain slight differences, just as their bodies do.  Be specific.  Present a scenario and ask if it's okay to treat men and women differently.  General outrage over the idea of some possible discrimination isn't helpful.

Quote from: "Wilson"Good grief.  Of course it's okay to treat the sexes differently, in certain circumstances.  Boxing matches, maternity leave, mammograms, prostate exams.  Male and female brains probably have certain slight differences, just as their bodies do.  Be specific.  Present a scenario and ask if it's okay to treat men and women differently.  General outrage over the idea of some possible discrimination isn't helpful.

Quite right. Let's see how pilchardo explains his position.

Quote from: "Wilson"Good grief.  Of course it's okay to treat the sexes differently, in certain circumstances.  Boxing matches, maternity leave, mammograms, prostate exams.  Male and female brains probably have certain slight differences, just as their bodies do.  Be specific.  Present a scenario and ask if it's okay to treat men and women differently.  General outrage over the idea of some possible discrimination isn't helpful.

So as a male, when a female goes full force, attempting to kick my ass, is it wrong to kick her ass?  The circumstances above make sense  but I don't box (although i'm rather good at it) and only fight in self defense. So, I hear people say that it's wrong to hit a woman regardless of how much she's trying to kill you, so is it wrong if beat the breaks off of said woman?

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Quote from: "Wilson"Good grief.  Of course it's okay to treat the sexes differently, in certain circumstances.  Boxing matches, maternity leave, mammograms, prostate exams.  Male and female brains probably have certain slight differences, just as their bodies do.  Be specific.  Present a scenario and ask if it's okay to treat men and women differently.  General outrage over the idea of some possible discrimination isn't helpful.

So as a male, when a female goes full force, attempting to kick my ass, is it wrong to kick her ass?  The circumstances above make sense  but I don't box (although i'm rather good at it) and only fight in self defense. So, I hear people say that it's wrong to hit a woman regardless of how much she's trying to kill you, so is it wrong if beat the breaks off of said woman?

My grandpa used to say that if a woman hits you three times in a row with intent, she's a man, kick her ass. I think the woman doing the attacking would fully well expect to get hit in return if she was just whaling on someone.

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Quote from: "Wilson"Good grief.  Of course it's okay to treat the sexes differently, in certain circumstances.  Boxing matches, maternity leave, mammograms, prostate exams.  Male and female brains probably have certain slight differences, just as their bodies do.  Be specific.  Present a scenario and ask if it's okay to treat men and women differently.  General outrage over the idea of some possible discrimination isn't helpful.

So as a male, when a female goes full force, attempting to kick my ass, is it wrong to kick her ass?  The circumstances above make sense  but I don't box (although i'm rather good at it) and only fight in self defense. So, I hear people say that it's wrong to hit a woman regardless of how much she's trying to kill you, so is it wrong if beat the breaks off of said woman?

Ah! But your juxtaposing a social imperative (men should not hit women) vs a physical imperative (mammograms vs prostate exams), we all have the right to self defence within the bounds of 'reasonable force' and medical treatment simply reflects anatomical needs.

Your grandpa sounds like my kinda man hismikeness

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Quote from: "Wilson"Good grief.  Of course it's okay to treat the sexes differently, in certain circumstances.  Boxing matches, maternity leave, mammograms, prostate exams.  Male and female brains probably have certain slight differences, just as their bodies do.  Be specific.  Present a scenario and ask if it's okay to treat men and women differently.  General outrage over the idea of some possible discrimination isn't helpful.

So as a male, when a female goes full force, attempting to kick my ass, is it wrong to kick her ass?  The circumstances above make sense  but I don't box (although i'm rather good at it) and only fight in self defense. So, I hear people say that it's wrong to hit a woman regardless of how much she's trying to kill you, so is it wrong if beat the breaks off of said woman?

Ah! But your juxtaposing a social imperative (men should not hit women) vs a physical imperative (mammograms vs prostate exams), we all have the right to self defence within the bounds of 'reasonable force' and medical treatment simply reflects anatomical needs.

Hmm, agreed. I think mental difference is negligible at best and is likely more focused on how we think about life on a daily basis opposed to anything more serious than that.

What i'd like to know is, outside of physical necessities. What possible justification could one have to treat women differently from men?

Quote from: "Ultima22689"What i'd like to know is, outside of physical necessities. What possible justification could one have to treat women differently from men?

Yep. That's what I'm waiting to see.

Quote from: "Wilson"Good grief.  Of course it's okay to treat the sexes differently, in certain circumstances.  Boxing matches,

Why can't a woman box?

Quotematernity leave,

Doesn't Denmark have a paternity leave for fathers?

Quotemammograms, prostate exams.

Those are medical procedures, which is something totally different.

QuoteMale and female brains probably have certain slight differences, just as their bodies do.  Be specific.  Present a scenario and ask if it's okay to treat men and women differently.  General outrage over the idea of some possible discrimination isn't helpful.

I'm not outraged; I simply want to know what his opinion is. I also wanted this to become a general discussion thread on sexism.

Of course in some situations, men and women have to be treated differently simply because there are some differences (like the medical procedures you mentioned earlier). However, in our society, the lines between men and women are blurring. Traditional gender roles are becoming obsolete.

Both Men and women can get breast cancer....so no need to treat them different in regard to mammograms; anyone who's doctor thinks they need one should get one.

A pregnant woman is given maternity leave to recover from the horrors of birth...this is because she is has a medical need to take leave; not directly because she is female.  (imo, men ought to get some time off to help the mother too)

There is no reason why a female could not box a male in her same weight class...it's just that the type of people who like boxing don't want to go coed.

While there are some differences between the male and female brain in general, these are not true for everyone and many of these traits are learned so it doesn't' make sense to treat people differently based on gender.  Get to know someone and then treat them as they want to be treated.

Quote from: "Whitney"Both Men and women can get breast cancer....so no need to treat them different in regard to mammograms; anyone who's doctor thinks they need one should get one.

A pregnant woman is given maternity leave to recover from the horrors of birth...this is because she is has a medical need to take leave; not directly because she is female.  (imo, men ought to get some time off to help the mother too)

There is no reason why a female could not box a male in her same weight class...it's just that the type of people who like boxing don't want to go coed.

While there are some differences between the male and female brain in general, these are not true for everyone and many of these traits are learned so it doesn't' make sense to treat people differently based on gender.  Get to know someone and then treat them as they want to be treated.

I agree with this post.

One thing I'm kind of curious about is bathrooms. Do you guys think we should start seeing more unisex restrooms, or what?

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"I think he understood it perfectly. I'm fairly certain he's Bubblepot, so it's likely he's just being a troll again.

Reported.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"What i'd like to know is, outside of physical necessities. What possible justification could one have to treat women differently from men?

I took my daughter to the circus when she was about three, unfortunately I had need to use a crowded public toilet.
As I recall I took her in and got her to stand out of the way not looking at the grubby males.
If there was a well presented motherly person standing outside I may have asked her to mind my daughter for a moment, I wouldn't have asked a single unknown man to do the same.

I do think it's good having males looking after little kids in day-care, but an all male centre would seem a bit odd to me, all female would seem perfectly natural.

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Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"I think he understood it perfectly. I'm fairly certain he's Bubblepot, so it's likely he's just being a troll again.

Reported.

Okay.

By the way, are you going to respond anytime soon? I made this thread specifically for you; I'd appreciate an answer.

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Quote from: "Ultima22689"What i'd like to know is, outside of physical necessities. What possible justification could one have to treat women differently from men?

I took my daughter to the circus when she was about three, unfortunately I had need to use a crowded public toilet.
As I recall I took her in and got her to stand out of the way not looking at the grubby males.
If there was a well presented motherly person standing outside I may have asked her to mind my daughter for a moment, I wouldn't have asked a single unknown man to do the same.

I do think it's good having males looking after little kids in day-care, but an all male centre would seem a bit odd to me, all female would seem perfectly natural.

This makes sense. Men tend to not look like the friendly happy type however, I wonder, would a mother allow a friendly looking man to watch her? I don't mean any man, you know, the nice guys, groomed, friendly features, a general positive vibe from him. Although I was a boy, my mother, who is very protective once let a man watch me for a moment, I can't remember why but this random guy talked with me for ten minutes and for a day, got me interested in baseball, something all my father figures have failed to do. This is going a little off-topic but I think western society at some point began to portray the general idea of a man as somewhat negative in regards to how they treat other people. When you hear rape, you automatically assume a man raped a woman, when someone was robbed, they are asked "what did he look like?" I don't think there is anything to blame for that but I have to wonder, why can't a man be trusted to watch a child? Maybe i'm being naive, someone want to inform me?

Quote from: "Ultima22689"This makes sense. Men tend to not look like the friendly happy type however, I wonder, would a mother allow a friendly looking man to watch her? I don't mean any man, you know, the nice guys, groomed, friendly features, a general positive vibe from him. Although I was a boy, my mother, who is very protective once let a man watch me for a moment, I can't remember why but this random guy talked with me for ten minutes and for a day, got me interested in baseball, something all my father figures have failed to do. This is going a little off-topic but I think western society at some point began to portray the general idea of a man as somewhat negative in regards to how they treat other people. When you hear rape, you automatically assume a man raped a woman, when someone was robbed, they are asked "what did he look like?" I don't think there is anything to blame for that but I have to wonder, why can't a man be trusted to watch a child? Maybe i'm being naive, someone want to inform me?

Just instinct and unconscious prejudice, I would think. Stereotyping is natural human behavior.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Pilchardo said that it's okay to treat men and women differently since they are different. I replied that with that line of thinking, it's okay to treat white people differently than black people because they are different. I asked him what his reasoning was for it's okay to treat people of different genders differently. He told me to make a new thread. I did. Now I'm awaiting his response.

My mummy told me that boys and girls are different.

A boy treats a girl differently because he's a boy and she's a girl, and she treats him differently because she's a girl and he's a boy ... sometimes a girl treats another girl ... which is nice.

Sexism is not about treating people differently, it is about equality and power. Hitchens was quite correct at the munk debates when he said the single most important progressive step any society can take is giving women control over reproduction. Sitting quietly by while our governments support and ally with autocracies where women are treated as property is sexism, and that is not ok. And here, Legendary, your comparison is apt: would we allow our governments to support a country that enslaves the black portion of its population?

But in the mean time have fun with your fight...

Not being bisexual, I treat men and women differently.

So sue me. ;-)

Quote from: "dloubet"Not being bisexual, I treat men and women differently.

So sue me. ;-)

How dare you, you SEXIST! You should be ASHAMED!

Quote from: "penfold"Sexism is not about treating people differently, it is about equality and power. Hitchens was quite correct at the munk debates when he said the single most important progressive step any society can take is giving women control over reproduction. Sitting quietly by while our governments support and ally with autocracies where women are treated as property is sexism, and that is not ok. And here, Legendary, your comparison is apt: would we allow our governments to support a country that enslaves the black portion of its population?

But in the mean time have fun with your fight...

I've heard Hitchens display a sexist attitude in an interview.  He expressed the view that his wife and daughters shouldn't have to work if they don't want to.  My recollection is he thought of them as princesses who shouldn't have to be burdened with the need to support themselves.  The female interviewer was a bit taken aback, she did push him on it a bit but he's Hitchens, what can you do?


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/firsttuesday/s ... transcript (http://www.abc.net.au/tv/firsttuesday/s2898631.htm#transcript)  There is video available as well.

QuoteCHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: No, I would expect to take care of them. Work if you want but you don't have to.

JENNIFER BYRNE: You are the commander's son, aren't you?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: Yeah, I am, yes.

JENNIFER BYRNE: You...you really mean that?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: Sure.

JENNIFER BYRNE: You don't think women should go and work?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: No, I said they're welcome to do that. I'm thrilled if they want to. But if they don't want to, they don't have to.

JENNIFER BYRNE: Is this you being ironic? Is this your famous attachment to irony?

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: No. What's so difficult about it?

JENNIFER BYRNE: It's just wrong.

(LAUGHTER)

JENNIFER BYRNE: Just absolutely wrong.

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: No, they're called the gentle sex for a good reason. Don't wanna see them coarsened in the labour market, no. No, not if they don't want to.

JENNIFER BYRNE: You're 61, Christopher, not 180.

CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS: Yes, I'm here... I'm here to look after them.

I don't anyone should be forced to work, but don't start crying if you can't afford to pay the bills.

Quote from: "Whitney"Both Men and women can get breast cancer....so no need to treat them different in regard to mammograms; anyone who's doctor thinks they need one should get one.

How about yearly mammograms or yearly prostate exams?  Someone mentioned separate bathrooms.  How about discriminating as to sex when you're considering asking someone out, or having sex with him or her?  Restricting oneself to one gender would be so wrong!

I'm sure all of us (probably) would, in general, be opposed to unfair discrimination against men, or women.  But let's be practical.  Present a scenario, and we'll weigh in.

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"The female interviewer was a bit taken aback, she did push him on it a bit but he's Hitchens, what can you do?

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Hitchens, both he and his brother Peter stike me as terrible snobs. He was dead wrong on Iraq too.

Quote from: "Wilson"I'm sure all of us (probably) would, in general, be opposed to unfair discrimination against men, or women.  But let's be practical.  Present a scenario, and we'll weigh in.

How about locker rooms?

I remember reading a pro-Christian, anti-gay article a long time ago giving a "reason" to ban homosexuality (at least, that's what I felt he was implying) -- that is, locker rooms. We have separate ones for men and women because, primarily, they generally feel more uncomfortable being naked around the opposite sex. However, when you add homosexuality into the equation, it becomes a bit more confusing. Should we just keep locker rooms, bathrooms, etc. the way they are, ignoring that gay people (presumably) effectively render the reason why we have separation between the sexes meaningless to them? Should we change something? If so, what?

I'd also like to add that I think that one of the main reasons why we have such separation of the sexes is because of our culture. If we begin to change and remove separation, I think it's likely that more casual attitudes towards the opposite sex will follow.

Quote from: "penfold"Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Hitchens, both he and his brother Peter stike me as terrible snobs. He was dead wrong on Iraq too.

Ye the putting woman on a pedestal, it seems kind of nice, but it suggests there may be another side.
If woman are so fragile and in need of protection, they're not going to be fit for hard work.
Do men become less worthy of care, no big deal sending them to war?

Quote from: "legendary sandwitch"However, when you add homosexuality into the equation, it becomes a bit more confusing. Should we just keep locker rooms, bathrooms, etc. the way they are, ignoring that gay people (presumably) effectively render the reason why we have separation between the sexes meaningless to them? Should we change something? If so, what?

You could have shower cubicles with doors on them, oh no! then they might misbehave behind the door!

considering that I don't get nude in same sex locker rooms nor do I show anything more than would be visible at the beach I don't think coed locker room would bother me.  Yet I also expect people to change quickly and not just walking around letting everything air out.

I think the reason we separate is cultural...my only concern would be during the transition to coed with those who wouldn't have been taught how to behave (yet that's probably a problem even with same sex).

Anyway, I learned how to change with boys in the room when I was in middle school because the boys use to climb through the ceiling and look in yet the school wasn't doing a good job of stopping them.  There are ways to go from street clothes to gym clothes without showing anything; but you have to be wearing a skirt.

Quote from: "Whitney"considering that I don't get nude in same sex locker rooms nor do I show anything more than would be visible at the beach I don't think coed locker room would bother me.  Yet I also expect people to change quickly and not just walking around letting everything air out.

I think the reason we separate is cultural...my only concern would be during the transition to coed with those who wouldn't have been taught how to behave (yet that's probably a problem even with same sex).

Anyway, I learned how to change with boys in the room when I was in middle school because the boys use to climb through the ceiling and look in yet the school wasn't doing a good job of stopping them.  There are ways to go from street clothes to gym clothes without showing anything; but you have to be wearing a skirt.

Yeah, I'd like to see more co-ed locker rooms. Not only do they nicely solve the problem of what to do about gays (and other people with "nontraditional" sexualities, such as transgenders), I think they also let kids develop a more healthier view of nudity, the human body, and the opposite sex.

I'm glad you mentioned the beach, as that's something else that bothers me -- namely, that, in most places, showing breasts is illegal. It's such an obvious double-standard and so unnecessary it makes me cringe. I think that full nudity should be allowed on beaches and other such areas (such as swimming pools), but at the least allow girls to have the same liberties as men when it comes to chests.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"but at the least allow girls to have the same liberties as men when it comes to chests.

I think it is legal in texas for women to go topless (unless they changed it)...though I can't say I've seen any women taking advantage of the freedom.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Not only do they nicely solve the problem of what to do about gays (and other people with "nontraditional" sexualities, such as transgenders)...

I don't see that there ever was a "problem of what to do with gays", etc. Also, transgender isn't a sexuality, just so you know. But as for what to do with us (yup), wrt locker rooms and restrooms, or really anything, simply treat us the same as you would other members of our true genders. Pretty straightfoward.  

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Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Not only do they nicely solve the problem of what to do about gays (and other people with "nontraditional" sexualities, such as transgenders)...

I don't see that there ever was a "problem of what to do with gays", etc. Also, transgender isn't a sexuality, just so you know. But as for what to do with us (yup), wrt locker rooms and restrooms, or really anything, simply treat us the same as you would other members of our true genders. Pretty straightfoward.  :D

EDIT. Actually does that make an arse grab in a heterosexual bar acceptable?  

Of course men and women are different. And if two things are different from each other, then it stands to reason that sometimes it's appropriate or best to treat them differently. Unfortunately, there's a trend in certain societies to try and pretend that men and women are the same, for fear of being considered sexist. Fortunately, such people have always been in a minority. I call it as I see it, and I treat men and women differently. I also treat black and white people slightly differently, although you would probably have to be black to notice the difference.

Quote from: "pilchardo"Of course men and women are different. And if two things are different from each other, then it stands to reason that sometimes it's appropriate or best to treat them differently. Unfortunately, there's a trend in certain societies to try and pretend that men and women are the same, for fear of being considered sexist. Fortunately, such people have always been in a minority. I call it as I see it, and I treat men and women differently. I also treat black and white people slightly differently, although you would probably have to be black to notice the difference.

And how do you treat people differently? How do you treat black people differently?

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Quote from: "pilchardo"Of course men and women are different. And if two things are different from each other, then it stands to reason that sometimes it's appropriate or best to treat them differently. Unfortunately, there's a trend in certain societies to try and pretend that men and women are the same, for fear of being considered sexist. Fortunately, such people have always been in a minority. I call it as I see it, and I treat men and women differently. I also treat black and white people slightly differently, although you would probably have to be black to notice the difference.

And how do you treat people differently? How do you treat black people differently?

Why do you ask?

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Quote from: "pilchardo"Of course men and women are different. And if two things are different from each other, then it stands to reason that sometimes it's appropriate or best to treat them differently. Unfortunately, there's a trend in certain societies to try and pretend that men and women are the same, for fear of being considered sexist. Fortunately, such people have always been in a minority. I call it as I see it, and I treat men and women differently. I also treat black and white people slightly differently, although you would probably have to be black to notice the difference.

And how do you treat people differently? How do you treat black people differently?

Why do you ask?

Because i'm curious.

Could you elaborate on your questions. What exactly do you want to know?

Quote from: "pilchardo"Could you elaborate on your questions. What exactly do you want to know?

It's simple, the people that you treat differently, like black people. How do you treat black people differently?

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Quote from: "pilchardo"Could you elaborate on your questions. What exactly do you want to know?

It's simple, the people that you treat differently, like black people. How do you treat black people differently?

Is that all you want to know or don't you want to know how I treat people differently in general? Why are you focussing on black people?

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Quote from: "pilchardo"Could you elaborate on your questions. What exactly do you want to know?

It's simple, the people that you treat differently, like black people. How do you treat black people differently?

Is that all you want to know or don't you want to know how I treat people differently in general? Why are you focussing on black people?

You didn't say people in general, you said women and black people, this whole thread was about sexism so I'm pretty sure how you treat women has already been defined. I simply want to understand why you treat black people differently and that is because i'm curious, now please, stop answering my question with a question.

Well, I just treat them in a different manner. I adapt to situations. Did you have anything specific in mind?

Quote from: "pilchardo"Well, I just treat them in a different manner. I adapt to situations. Did you have anything specific in mind?

What manner is that? Could please not be so vague?

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Quote from: "pilchardo"Well, I just treat them in a different manner. I adapt to situations. Did you have anything specific in mind?

What manner is that? Could please not be so vague?

It depends on the situation. Like I say I adapt. Don't you adapt to different situations?

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Quote from: "pilchardo"Well, I just treat them in a different manner. I adapt to situations. Did you have anything specific in mind?

What manner is that? Could please not be so vague?

It depends on the situation. Like I say I adapt. Don't you adapt to different situations?

Of course I do, i've never had to adapt to different races though, so why do you have to "adapt" to black people and how do you do so? You said only a black person would notice, so you must have some idea, so I must ask again, could you stop answering my questions with questions?

I want to ask you another question, but if you don't want me to, I won't.

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Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Not only do they nicely solve the problem of what to do about gays (and other people with "nontraditional" sexualities, such as transgenders)...

I don't see that there ever was a "problem of what to do with gays", etc. Also, transgender isn't a sexuality, just so you know.

Yeah, I know. I was struggling with how to word my post.

Pilchardo is just confirming my suspicions that he is indeed a troll, and is probably Bubblepot.

I made this thread so you would answer the question, Pilchardo. All you've done is really just repeat what you originally said in a few more sentences, and sidestep requests for you to elaborate.

In what situations do you feel it's acceptable to treat women/black people differently than men/white people, Pilchardo?

Let me ask you a question first. Do you think you sound like someone angling for a reason to cry "racist"?

Quote from: "pilchardo"Let me ask you a question first. Do you think you sound like someone angling for a reason to cry "racist"?

I'll answer your question when you answer my question.

pilchardo's access to HAF has now been restricted to the getting to know you section due to continued disruption of the general forum.  If he is able to behave there for a while he will be given a second chance to participate in the general form.

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Quote from: "pilchardo"Let me ask you a question first. Do you think you sound like someone angling for a reason to cry "racist"?

I'll answer your question when you answer my question.

It shouldn't be too hard to answer this how would you treat black people differently thing.
Cultural sensitivity isn't a bad thing.
Mohamed Ali came to Australia once as guest at an awards ceremony, the compare who isn't known to be a racist said "I like the boy"  Not a good choice of words, but made innocently I think.  
Some Australian indigenous people don't like to talk about, or see depictions of recently deceased community members.  Warnings often appear on TV to let them know a program may offend them.  I don't have a problem with showing a bit of respect.

I was browsing the Youtubes, and I came across this:
[youtube:15pijr1j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hluo9nyHBSs[/youtube:15pijr1j]
It struck me as incredibly sexist. Why are double-standards okay?

Quote from: "Tank"I tend to agree. One's sexual orientation should be irrelevant in a public situation where sexual activity is inappropriate. Now if one goes to a gay bar in the evening and gets mildly drunk with friends and gets one's arse grabbed it goes with the situation and one shouldn't get up-tight about it. In fact one should take it as a compliment  :hmm:

Disagree, a bar is a drinking establishment, not an orgy, even at swingers clubs it is inappropriate to start anything without the other person consenting. Why would being a gay make it any different? do you think the sex of the respective parties would make a difference?

I don't agree with you. A bar isn't just for drinking in. It's a social environment as much as, if not more than, anything else. If you want to flirt with someone, consent isn't necessary. You just do it, and then you read the signs. Geez, it's not like you have to invite them to sign a contract.

Abletony, please stop reviving threads more than a month old. It makes it seem as if you're trolling.  There are plenty if current threads happening in the forum.   :-\

Sexism is completely acceptable and even appropriate so long as you're equally sexist against all genders.

Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 24, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
Abletony, please stop reviving threads more than a month old. It makes it seem as if you're trolling.  There are plenty if current threads happening in the forum.   :-\

Are you a moderator?

Quote from: Abletony on July 24, 2011, 09:46:23 PM

Quote from: Sweetdeath on July 24, 2011, 08:34:12 PM
Abletony, please stop reviving threads more than a month old. It makes it seem as if you're trolling.  There are plenty if current threads happening in the forum.   :-\

Are you a moderator?

No sweetdeath is not a moderator and neither am I. Whitney is the owner/admin and the other moderators are identified with blue stars under their name/avatar. McQ is generally the most active moderator.