Title: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It?
Post by: Kylyssa on January 02, 2011, 07:58:15 PM
Post by: Kylyssa on January 02, 2011, 07:58:15 PM
I've noticed that a fair number of Christians come to HAF and put "Freethinker" as their worldview or something other than "Christian" as a worldview. They tend to start discussions about evolution or the Big Bang theory and pretend to be confused or say they are unable to believe one or the other(or both) because there's no evidence or that all the evidence comes from a conspiracy of scientists who made it all up while ignoring all evidence responders provide. (And yes, it's seems to be only Christians who do this, I'll explain why it's pretty obvious later.) How does that make you feel about them?
It makes me feel that, since they are lying on their profile, nothing they say has any value. It also illustrates a particular category of Christians who believe that they are given a pass on any misbehavior because they believe in Jesus. "Lying for Jesus" Christians is an annoying subset of Christians.
When Christians put "Christian" or some other word or words (Believer, Jesus Lover, Follower of Christ, Theist, etc.) indicating their actual world view, it automatically gives them my respect. Obviously they can lose it by saying things but they get it to begin with and they have to be pretty bigoted or rabidly anti-reason to lose it.
I imagine that mainstream Christians are horribly embarrassed or annoyed by "Lying for Jesus" Christians. Lying to proselytize is not only a negative character indicator, it is against the spirit of what most Christians profess to believe.
So, any of the "Lying for Jesus" set want to chime in? What is your reasoning behind lying about your beliefs on an atheist forum? Do you realize that you are behaving like a caricature and no one actually believes you are a freethinker? Do you realize that very few non-religious humans actually have a problem with evolution, the moon reflecting light instead of creating it, carbon dating, geology, biology, plate tectonics, the empirical method, or the Big Bang theory? Very few freethinkers would think just like a Christian so, which is more likely, a Christian labeling himself a freethinker or a freethinker who thinks just like a Christian?
It makes me feel that, since they are lying on their profile, nothing they say has any value. It also illustrates a particular category of Christians who believe that they are given a pass on any misbehavior because they believe in Jesus. "Lying for Jesus" Christians is an annoying subset of Christians.
When Christians put "Christian" or some other word or words (Believer, Jesus Lover, Follower of Christ, Theist, etc.) indicating their actual world view, it automatically gives them my respect. Obviously they can lose it by saying things but they get it to begin with and they have to be pretty bigoted or rabidly anti-reason to lose it.
I imagine that mainstream Christians are horribly embarrassed or annoyed by "Lying for Jesus" Christians. Lying to proselytize is not only a negative character indicator, it is against the spirit of what most Christians profess to believe.
So, any of the "Lying for Jesus" set want to chime in? What is your reasoning behind lying about your beliefs on an atheist forum? Do you realize that you are behaving like a caricature and no one actually believes you are a freethinker? Do you realize that very few non-religious humans actually have a problem with evolution, the moon reflecting light instead of creating it, carbon dating, geology, biology, plate tectonics, the empirical method, or the Big Bang theory? Very few freethinkers would think just like a Christian so, which is more likely, a Christian labeling himself a freethinker or a freethinker who thinks just like a Christian?
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 02, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 02, 2011, 09:17:07 PM
Quote from: "Kylyssa"I've noticed that a fair number of Christians come to HAF and put "Freethinker" as their worldview or something other than "Christian" as a worldview. They tend to start discussions about evolution or the Big Bang theory and pretend to be confused or say they are unable to believe one or the other(or both) because there's no evidence or that all the evidence comes from a conspiracy of scientists who made it all up while ignoring all evidence responders provide. (And yes, it's seems to be only Christians who do this, I'll explain why it's pretty obvious later.) How does that make you feel about them?*Cough**Cough*Bubblepot*Cough**Cough*
It makes me feel that, since they are lying on their profile, nothing they say has any value. It also illustrates a particular category of Christians who believe that they are given a pass on any misbehavior because they believe in Jesus. "Lying for Jesus" Christians is an annoying subset of Christians.
When Christians put "Christian" or some other word or words (Believer, Jesus Lover, Follower of Christ, Theist, etc.) indicating their actual world view, it automatically gives them my respect. Obviously they can lose it by saying things but they get it to begin with and they have to be pretty bigoted or rabidly anti-reason to lose it.
I imagine that mainstream Christians are horribly embarrassed or annoyed by "Lying for Jesus" Christians. Lying to proselytize is not only a negative character indicator, it is against the spirit of what most Christians profess to believe.
So, any of the "Lying for Jesus" set want to chime in? What is your reasoning behind lying about your beliefs on an atheist forum? Do you realize that you are behaving like a caricature and no one actually believes you are a freethinker? Do you realize that very few non-religious humans actually have a problem with evolution, the moon reflecting light instead of creating it, carbon dating, geology, biology, plate tectonics, the empirical method, or the Big Bang theory? Very few freethinkers would think just like a Christian so, which is more likely, a Christian labeling himself a freethinker or a freethinker who thinks just like a Christian?
To me, it makes them look like an ass. The funny thing is, they're doing the exact opposite of what they're trying to do (I presume) -- they make Christians look bad instead of converting us.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: terranus on January 02, 2011, 10:31:22 PM
Post by: terranus on January 02, 2011, 10:31:22 PM
Comes down to the division of those Christians who would violate their own laws (in this case one of the 10 commandments) in order to "promote the greater good", and those who will not. I find it highly hypocritical that someone would lie in order to promote their faith which preaches against lying.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: Whitney on January 02, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
Post by: Whitney on January 02, 2011, 10:56:25 PM
When I am sure the person who put "free thinker" (or anything else they are not) in their worldview field incorrectly I have changed it in the past. Free thinker is so broad of a category and can include certain types of theists (not the ones who follow a religion) so it can be hard to prove that someone lied.
The ones I find a lot of humor in are when they put "atheist" as their worldview then start posting from a religious perspective...
Anyway, someone who does something like described in the OP is not going to make it long here as they typically make fools of themselves and violate forum rules.
The ones I find a lot of humor in are when they put "atheist" as their worldview then start posting from a religious perspective...
Anyway, someone who does something like described in the OP is not going to make it long here as they typically make fools of themselves and violate forum rules.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: Sophus on January 03, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
Post by: Sophus on January 03, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
Quote from: "Whitney"The ones I find a lot of humor in are when they put "atheist" as their worldview then start posting from a religious perspective...That's somewhat surprising, although maybe less so since it's on an internet forum. Otherwise I don't think you could ever get a theist to even joke to be an atheist, let alone go Bunburying as one.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: The Magic Pudding on January 03, 2011, 03:00:29 AM
Post by: The Magic Pudding on January 03, 2011, 03:00:29 AM
I think the young may be more affected by hypocrisy, before they are desensitised by it's ubiquity.
The lying killing and stealing for Jesus is an effective way of driving away some young idealistic types.
How do I feel about the Bubblepots?
Sometimes slightly annoyed, other times greatly amused.
The lying killing and stealing for Jesus is an effective way of driving away some young idealistic types.
How do I feel about the Bubblepots?
Sometimes slightly annoyed, other times greatly amused.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: LARA on January 03, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
Post by: LARA on January 03, 2011, 03:41:23 PM
I tend to view the worldview labels with something like a bit of fuzzy logic. Many Christians really do view themselves as freethinkers, as in they are choosing to take on their religious viewpoint freely. And a freethinker label has a nice, proud, warm feel to it at any rate. Some Christians don't think they are lying when they call themselves freethinkers. We perceive them as lying. Depends on where you are standing. And then some people do intentionally outright lie, calling themselves atheists when they are really theists, for whatever personal reason.
Myself, I've had a lot of trouble with the worldview label since I really do not know exactly what the fuck I am. Labels can be so very misleading. They only get you into a general area of what a person believes.
Myself, I've had a lot of trouble with the worldview label since I really do not know exactly what the fuck I am. Labels can be so very misleading. They only get you into a general area of what a person believes.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: Asmodean on January 03, 2011, 06:14:02 PM
Post by: Asmodean on January 03, 2011, 06:14:02 PM
I don't really read them world views, but I can vouch for mine not being a lie 
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 03, 2011, 06:16:44 PM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 03, 2011, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"I don't really read them world views, but I can vouch for mine not being a lie :hide:
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: Asmodean on January 03, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Post by: Asmodean on January 03, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"But...I love unicorns.
:pop:
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 03, 2011, 06:27:12 PM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 03, 2011, 06:27:12 PM
Quote from: "Asmodean"Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"But...I love unicorns.
:pop:
Oh yeah? Well, your avatar is a just a glob of gray plato with a face. So, THERE!
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: Asmodean on January 03, 2011, 08:04:25 PM
Post by: Asmodean on January 03, 2011, 08:04:25 PM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Oh yeah? Well, your avatar is a just a glob of gray plato with a face. So, THERE!I think it's actually a tadpole without a tail
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: Gawen on January 03, 2011, 09:36:50 PM
Post by: Gawen on January 03, 2011, 09:36:50 PM
How does it make me feel? Well, I don't like liars. And I'm surprised that no one has yet said it, but Paul lied for Jesus and set the precedent, so some Christians think that's the way to go.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: KDbeads on January 03, 2011, 11:40:32 PM
Post by: KDbeads on January 03, 2011, 11:40:32 PM
Quote from: "LARA"Myself, I've had a lot of trouble with the worldview label since I really do not know exactly what the fuck I am. Labels can be so very misleading. They only get you into a general area of what a person believes.
Hence my world view ----->>>>>>>
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 03, 2011, 11:43:04 PM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 03, 2011, 11:43:04 PM
They're only supposed to get you in a general area of what someone believes.
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: The Magic Pudding on January 04, 2011, 01:42:55 AM
Post by: The Magic Pudding on January 04, 2011, 01:42:55 AM
Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Oh yeah? Well, your avatar is a just a glob of gray plato with a face. So, THERE!
Better watch your step, he has friends you know.
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Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 04, 2011, 01:51:03 AM
Post by: LegendarySandwich on January 04, 2011, 01:51:03 AM
Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"Oh yeah? Well I have...a sandwich!Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Oh yeah? Well, your avatar is a just a glob of gray plato with a face. So, THERE!
Better watch your step, he has friends you know.
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Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: The Magic Pudding on January 04, 2011, 03:37:47 AM
Post by: The Magic Pudding on January 04, 2011, 03:37:47 AM
Quote from: "Asmodean"Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"But...I love unicorns.
:pop:
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Well this guy tells me he's an Aasomdeanist
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: Asmodean on January 04, 2011, 10:27:18 AM
Post by: Asmodean on January 04, 2011, 10:27:18 AM
Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"Well this guy tells me he's an AasomdeanistNO PEANUTS for it when it dies!
Title: Re: Lying in Worldview on Profiles, How do You Feel about It
Post by: phoenixrrt62 on January 06, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
Post by: phoenixrrt62 on January 06, 2011, 11:53:23 AM
Quote from: "Kylyssa"I've noticed that a fair number of Christians come to HAF and put "Freethinker" as their worldview or something other than "Christian" as a worldview. They tend to start discussions about evolution or the Big Bang theory and pretend to be confused or say they are unable to believe one or the other(or both) because there's no evidence or that all the evidence comes from a conspiracy of scientists who made it all up while ignoring all evidence responders provide. (And yes, it's seems to be only Christians who do this, I'll explain why it's pretty obvious later.) How does that make you feel about them?
It makes me feel that, since they are lying on their profile, nothing they say has any value. It also illustrates a particular category of Christians who believe that they are given a pass on any misbehavior because they believe in Jesus. "Lying for Jesus" Christians is an annoying subset of Christians.
When Christians put "Christian" or some other word or words (Believer, Jesus Lover, Follower of Christ, Theist, etc.) indicating their actual world view, it automatically gives them my respect. Obviously they can lose it by saying things but they get it to begin with and they have to be pretty bigoted or rabidly anti-reason to lose it.
I imagine that mainstream Christians are horribly embarrassed or annoyed by "Lying for Jesus" Christians. Lying to proselytize is not only a negative character indicator, it is against the spirit of what most Christians profess to believe.
So, any of the "Lying for Jesus" set want to chime in? What is your reasoning behind lying about your beliefs on an atheist forum? Do you realize that you are behaving like a caricature and no one actually believes you are a freethinker? Do you realize that very few non-religious humans actually have a problem with evolution, the moon reflecting light instead of creating it, carbon dating, geology, biology, plate tectonics, the empirical method, or the Big Bang theory? Very few freethinkers would think just like a Christian so, which is more likely, a Christian labeling himself a freethinker or a freethinker who thinks just like a Christian?
Personally, no, I couldn't do that. I belong to a Catholic forum and I'm up front about my belief (or lack thereof). Nor will I try to tell the Catholics that they are wrong. Actually, that's grounds for being banned, if i were to try to talk someone out of being catholic. Oh, and you can't discuss atheism, either. Bizarre, huh?
One person on the forum thought I was deceiving them because I have a liberal mindset, and while there's no place on your id to SAY you are liberal, I made some pretty OBVIOUS liberal comments and SAID I was a liberal, and he went on to say I was deceiving them (at the time I had my id as agnostic...which, actually, is more accurate-I still question-that's why I am THERE, for goodness sake)...so, to make that asshat happy, I changed it to atheist. Actually, he did me a favor. I think he's right, I'm leaning more and more toward the atheist mindset every day.