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How to wait Upon Messiah


The Revelation was written about 1900 years ago,which prophesies the return,or second coming of Jesus Christ, Messiah  about over 1900 years later ,and people  were told  to wait upon  Messiah.

But the problem is that the return of Jesus Christ,Messiah are expected to take place more than 1900 years later,from the time the Revelation was written.So with the life expectation less than one hundred years of each human beings,how can we wait for Jesus Christ,who will only return over 1900 years later? The time to wait exceeds the life expectation of each individual.

The Bible tells people what to do ,but does not tell people why and how to.
The following also answers the questions whence the evil of war in human world while answering the question of why and how to wait.

Apparently  no one could live out the 1900 years to witness the return of Jesus Christ .So there must have been some implied allusions that have not been revealed in the Bible ,otherwise it does not make any sense when it asked you to wait while there was no way for you to wait at all for such a long period of time although it did not indicate clearly for how long people have to wait. Well ,suppose it indicated clearly how long people have to wait ,there will be a lot of problems arising from that .First it violates the rule that prophecy must be obscure and written in a detoured and indirect way; second ,it had to point to an exact date on which Jesus Christ will be Returning ,it again violates the above said rule ,and actually future event prophesied in any prophecy has some uncertainty ,which is one of the reasons that it has to be detoured ;third ,there is no such doctrine as reincarnation in Christian although the return of Jesus Christ is for sure a reincarnation.

So ,the problem is how to wait for so long .Reincarnation is not only a doctrine ,it is actually a natural phenomenon that has not yet been fully understood by recognized by human science .But the question and problem of how to wait for such a long time is still not answered nor solved because if everyone could be reincarnated successfully and undoubtedly ,there would be no need for Jesus Christ to remind us in particular to wait upon his return.

Here reincarnation is not the focus of our topic ,we assume reincarnation as a prerequisite for being able to wait.

The point is that although human beings could be reincarnated  as humans for many lives ,many of the them  may lose the chance to be reincarnated as a human when their standard of morality is not as high as that of a human being ,or is lower than human being ,or not up to the human being’s moral standard because of the karma and sin that had been accumulated in his life time and all his previous lives.
In case of which ,a human being may be incarnated into an animal ,or a plant ,or a stone ,or be kept in hell or purgatory, so when Jesus Christ returns, someone may not be here as a human being ,that’s the point why Jesus Christ told the multitudes to wait upon his return ,Be a good man always ,and do not kill ,do not sin ,do not lose your chance to be reincarnated as a human being ,so that you would not be absent in human world when Jesus Christ returns .And do not be an Atheist when I return ,since if you were one at the time of Christ return ,you would no more believe in him and would not listen to him any more even if he returns .It will be pointless for Christ to return when the majority of multitudes on earth have become atheists.

So the question is half answered ,but problem remains unsolved since many people will lose the chance to be a human any more ,and by the time Jesus Christ returns, they will not be available to witness it.

What to be done? And this is the main point about how to wait .It also answers the question of whence the evil.

In the human world, there are good and bad ,which includes everything .In the upper level of realms ,there are Deities and Demons .which we know as Satan .Satan is one of the demons .The demons do all the bad things, but they can not do whatever they want ,they act and behave according to certain rules.

We know in human world there are many evils ,such as :wars ,famines ,pestilences ,diseases ,floods ,droughts ,earthquakes ,tsunamis ,volcano explosions ,human atrocities and slaughtering and massacre ,terrorists attacking ,etc ,and  all kind of sufferings.

There are some people attribute all these evils to God or Deities, this is definitely not correct.

The cosmos need a kind of equilibrium between good and bad ,nice and evil ,Deities and demons .The demons are the executors of all kinds of evil things  to keep the cosmos equilibrium.

Secular People think that there is nothing wrong in pursuit of a secular happy life ,to have sex just for fun ,to kill animal for eating the meat ,to kill people for their own political or economical benefits,  to be jealous of others ,all these deeds may not be up to the standards set up for humans by Deities, and thus too much sins and karma have been accumulated and built up .Then here comes Demon to perform his function .They will arrange various kinds of evil things to happen in human world .Many people will be slaughtered ,massacred
In the various evil events .Demons are not Deities ,although they power that is much transcending humans’ ,we can condemn them for all the evil arrangements, but we can not stop them from doing so because their power transcends ours..But human beings have to be held responsible for most of the evil things because demons do not do the killings by themselves in any war, they just manipulated human being themselves ,let them do the killings .

In my previous postings I had mentioned that human beings were created with half evil nature and half good nature .That is why human beings can be easily manipulated by the demons to start wars to kill.

We human being must condemn all kinds of wars ,killings ,slaughtering and massacring .

But one of the consequences  of killings and disasters ,much beyond our imagination, is that people have got rid of their karma and sins,and they will acquire the chances to be back to be a human being again ,and thus he will be present and will be able to witness the return of Jesus Christ.

That is what it takes for a human being to be able to wait and how to wait ,and what is implied in the Bible for waiting.
It also answers the question of whence the evil in human world.

Of course ,all the events had been arranged for the return of Messiah. Even if it were not for the coming of Messiah ,all the arrangements will still be somewhat the same .

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"to be continued

SRSLY?  

I give you five Internets to shorten the Wall of Text part 2 to its key points... If there are any.

This smells like a post-and-run spammer/troll to me, although I could be wrong.

I almost feel like going through that entire post and correcting all the grammatical errors. They bug me. A lot.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"This smells like a post-and-run spammer/troll to me, although I could be wrong.

I think you're correct. Me, I started losing interest from sentence one, pretty much. I doubt the recipients will even bother to read it. This is the kind of mail I use for kindling.

Oh my. Such a long read for basically no information, no point, no purpose.

If it were compressed simply to the paragraph about the divine "worlds" ,one for each race and the forbidden interacial marriages due to confusion as to which divine world one would belong to, then it would be a good laugh.

Smells of canned meat to me, but you never know.

Quote from: "Tank"Smells of canned meat to me, but you never know.

Indeed. The meat could be vacuum packed in stead  

So if we survive 2012, when is the next big year set for our demise?

Quote from: "Tank"Smells of canned meat to me

Epicureans would have served us up better tasting stuff than that.

Hmmm. Religion listed as Buddhist, but erecting an apologetic screed that is decidedly christian.

How does that work, then?

Quote from: "hackenslash"Hmmm. Religion listed as Buddhist, but erecting an apologetic screed that is decidedly christian.

How does that work, then?

By means of massive hypocrisy and misinformation. That... Or the lack of proper intelligence to contemplate one's own views in regard to those of others. Or... Something.  

I'm grateful to all the commentators' nice comments,and I perceive them in a very cherishing way.Because english is not my mother language, with all your guys critiques and comments,I wish I could improve my writing.It's that there are a lot grammar erros.By the time the book is published,all errors should be corrected.As I'm looking for a co-author for the book through the forum here.

It is true that it is screed,because it is part of my book,Whence the evil.

Has Messiah come back to us humans? Well,all Buddhists know that there is a future Buddha,whose name  is Maitreya ,and had been mentioned by Sakyamuni about 2500 years ago and prophesied that He,Maitreya,will come to human world about 2500 years later,which is now, for the salvation.Christian,and Judaism,are believed to have the same deep-rooted origins with Buddhistical practicing ( I do not mean the religion) from a very high level,which is a divine realm.What I meant to say is that,here in our human world,believers of different religions were referred to a future savior by different names,but on a higher level,a divine realm, the Future Saviors of different religions,are actually the same Deity.So what I wanted to say that Messiah and Maitreya,are the same Deity for the Final Salvation.SO has Messiah come back? What I know is that Maitreya has come for the final Salvation.

We humans all wish we have blessings from our God,but what we donot know is that the Blessings from our God/Buddha have premise,that is we humans should have the faith in our God/Buddha with piety.Why we humans are having so many disasters and catastrophes in recent years? because more and more people drifted away from their Deities,in other words,have tossed away their faith and became atheists.

Human civilization will swerve soon,after the final salvation.
the doomsday of 2012 prophesied by many prophecies including the Bible and Mayan Calendar,will be delayed,for how long ,I'm not sure,maybe 10 or 12 years,but for sure it will come,only it is not complete extermination,but only elimination.,after which,the civilization will be swerved,Garden of Eden will be come upon us humans.

All dear viewers,all comments with sincerity and honesty will be welcome.I wish all you guys will have the patience to read on,as your reading with patience will encourage me to go on writing it.What I can promise you that the messages of paramount importance will be worthwhile for your patience.

 Prudence Edwards

Jan.01,2011.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"We humans all wish we have blessings from our God,

No, even at extra high scan speed this stands out... NO!

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"the doomsday of 2012 prophesied by many prophecies including the Bible and Mayan Calendar

Ye whenever it happens the Mayans predicted it, why didn't they predict the coming of the Spanish and go hide in the bushes?

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"the doomsday of 2012 prophesied by many prophecies including the Bible and Mayan Calendar,

So you don't actually know anything about the Mayan calendar either, then? The Maya made no such prophecy, and anybody who knows anything about them is laughing at this nonsense. Here's an article I wrote on the topic a while back, just before the demise of the Richard Dawkins forum.

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtop ... 3#p2743553 (http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?p=2743553#p2743553)

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"As I'm looking for a co-author for the book through the forum here.

Um...do you know what atheist means?

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Ye whenever it happens the Mayans predicted it, why didn't they predict the coming of the Spanish and go hide in the bushes?

A very good point.

the ability to prophesy is one thing,and the the ability to evade the doomed disaster is another,but no doomed disaster can be evaded,if it can be,it is not doomed.

How come that some special and particular people have the power and ability of transcending the nature and future? The cosmos that we dwell in has multiple dimensionsand the time in one of the dimensions--which is like the mirror image of our human world--is much faster than the dimension that we are in,suppose now we are in the year 2011,but there in that dimension,maybe it is the 2511,or even 3011,so the prophets are those who have the vision to see what is being displayed in the dimension,of the mirror image of our human world.

But all prophets in our human world knew that they are not allowed to tell their prophecies in simple and plain language to let secular people understand it in an explicit way,they all detoured to tell it in ambiguous and implicit way,this is for maintaining human world in the state of ignorance of all the arrangements by Deities.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"As I'm looking for a co-author for the book through the forum here.

Um...do you know what atheist means?

Thank you for asking,by chance I know it because I was one some 15 years ago myself.

Once an atheist,does not mean an atheist forever.
That is why I am here to find friends.

cancelled

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"We humans all wish we have blessings from our God,

No, even at extra high scan speed this stands out... NO!

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"the doomsday of 2012 prophesied by many prophecies including the Bible and Mayan Calendar

Ye whenever it happens the Mayans predicted it, why didn't they predict the coming of the Spanish and go hide in the bushes?

I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

Let me say how we humans are created and how we are blessed.

We humans now can not understand how we humans could have been created with clay,or dirt,or dust.But in the eye of the Creators,the particle of molecules are the clay,since everything in our human world,the air,the flesh body,the clay,the wood,the water,everything and anything here is made of molecules,so the Deity say that everything in our human world is clay,and we humans are created with clay,which actually refers to molecules.

The Deities have no molecules,they may have atom,or at a higher level,atomic nucleus,.....or at an even higher level,neutrino ,or even much more micro-substance that we will never know.We know that on the atomic level,there can be the  controlled nuclear fusion,I can not say what kind of the controlled nuclear fusion it is by Deities,but it is manipulated by their thoughts.

There are deities in charge of rain,others in charge of atmosphere,everything in our human world,there is a particular Deity that is in charge of,even time,is also something that is taken care of by Deities.

Like a parent,when they have babies,they can not toss their babies away,they have to take care of their babies,andtake care of everything,so Deities created humans,they can not behave as if human beings have nothing to do with them.So they protect and bless us.

But there are other reasons for blessing us.

Will go on later.

A Chinese man called Prudence Edwards  :secret:

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

I don't think he is necessarily opposed to the concept of blessing, but to your assertion that all humans wish for blessings from our god. There are several things wrong with this, not least the imiplicit assumption that this celestial peeping-tom of yours actually has any basis in reality.

QuoteLet me say how we humans are created and how we are blessed.

Actually, rather than describing it, how about you provide some evidence that we are, in fact, created.

QuoteWe humans now can not understand how we humans could have been created with clay,or dirt,or dust.But in the eye of the Creators,the particle of molecules are the clay,since everything in our human world,the air,the flesh body,the clay,the wood,the water,everything and anything here is made of molecules,so the Deity say that everything in our human world is clay,and we humans are created with clay.

Err, no. Humans are comprised mainly of proteins, which are not clay. We understand a good deal more about what processes are responsible for the existence of humans than your rectally extracted assertions are comfortable with.

QuoteThe Deities have no molecules,they may have atom,or at a higher level,atomic nucleus,.....or at an even higher level,neutrino ,or even much more micro-substance that we will never know.We know that on the atomic level,there can be the  controlled nuclear fusion,I can not say what kind of the controlled nuclear fusion it is by Deities,but it is manipulated by their thoughts.

You have it all backwards, especially with regard to levels of composition with regard to nuclei, atoms and molecules. This demonstrates the value of a decent scientific education. You might wish to give that some thought.

QuoteThere are deities in charge of rain,others in charge of atmosphere,everything in our human world,there is a particular Deity that is in charge of,even time,is also something that is taken care of by Deities.

Please demonstrate that you have some understanding of what time actually is, and then we might be able to take these assertions seriously. Note that the operative word there is 'might'.

QuoteLike a parent,when they have babies,they can not toss their babies away,they have to take care of their babies,andtake care of everything,so Deities created humans,they can not behave as if human beings have nothing to do with them.So they protect and bless us.

But there are other reasons for blessing us.

And this is nothing more than preaching, frankly. Perhaps a perusal of the forum rules might benefit you here.

QuoteWill go on later.

I'd rather you didn't, unless you actually have some evidence to support your multifarious assertions.

Quote from: "Tank"A Chinese man called Prudence Edwards  :secret:

Indeed, and apparently a buddhist christian Chinese man, at that.

Quote from: "Tank"A Chinese man called Prudence Edwards  :secret:

For sure it is not a real name,a pen name.You do not know that I'm taking risk of life for writing the blogs here.I will expose my name later when the writing is finished.

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Quote from: "Tank"A Chinese man called Prudence Edwards  :secret:

For sure it is not a real name,a pen name.You do not know that I'm taking risk of life for writing the blogs here.I will expose my name later when the writing is finished.

Well at least you were not just a 'drive by'.

Welcome aboard.

Regards
Chris (my real name)

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"You do not know that I'm taking risk of life for writing the blogs here.

Please!  :raised: Keep your writings away from their politics, and you'll be fine.


Whitney, is this guy really chinese btw? For some reason, I distrust him.

Err, no. Humans are comprised mainly of proteins, which are not clay. We understand a good deal more about what processes are responsible for the existence of humans than your rectally extracted assertions are comfortable with.
 
What I'm trying to say is that we were not created with clay.Proteins,right,but in what level of particles? It is molecule,right?

You have it all backwards, especially with regard to levels of composition with regard to nuclei, atoms and molecules. This demonstrates the value of a decent scientific education. You might wish to give that some thought.

Between the molecules and the stars is our human dimension,between the atom and the molecule is another dimension,between the atomic nucleus and atom is another dimension.Between the stars and the universe it is another dimension.When transcending the universe,the universe is also a particle,then there is another level of firmament,between which and our universe is another dimension,

Please demonstrate that you have some understanding of what time actually is, and then we might be able to take these assertions seriously. Note that the operative word there is 'might'.

Time ,on earth,is the self-rotating of the earth and the orbitic circulating around the sun,if the earth is still,then our time stops.There are some dimensions that is still,no circulating.no self-rotating,so no time there.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012 (Actually, it was HnS)"Err, no. Humans are comprised mainly of proteins.

Are we not like... Mostly water..?

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

I don't think he is necessarily opposed to the concept of blessing, but to your assertion that all humans wish for blessings from our god. There are several things wrong with this, not least the imiplicit assumption that this celestial peeping-tom of yours actually has any basis in reality.
 
agreed,but giving the basis is what I'm trying to do.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"You do not know that I'm taking risk of life for writing the blogs here.

Please!  :raised: Keep your writings away from their politics, and you'll be fine.


Whitney, is this guy really chinese btw? For some reason, I distrust him.

Come on,guys,for what do I have to pretend to be a chinese? CN is a country of atheism.If you huys come to live in CN,and be a Chinese Atheist,I bet you will soon become a Theist,sooner than I had become.Having a faith per se is a crime.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"

Quote from: "Tank"A Chinese man called Prudence Edwards  :secret:

For sure it is not a real name,a pen name.You do not know that I'm taking risk of life for writing the blogs here.I will expose my name later when the writing is finished.

Well at least you were not just a 'drive by'.

Welcome aboard.

Regards
Chris (my real name)

well,at least I was driving by in the beginning, and I found that you guys are having fun among your atheists alone,which is lacking some heat,so it occurs to me that why not come joning you guys and stir up some heat,so that we have more funs together,among us atheists and theist,because among your atheists,you always have th same views and concepts,no debate,no arguements,it is so quiet,so tranquil,so cool,and so lonely,so you see,when I joined you guys,heat is being built up.

Thanks a lot for that.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"We humans all wish we have blessings from our God,

Ni Hao Prudence Edwards
Xin Nian Kuai Le

I am a human and I do not wish for blessing from your god.

I am not sure what the bhuddist god is, I didn't think they had a god.
If your god is described in the Christian bible then I am in the current state of mind that this god should be put to death for the attrocities it had performed on humans and for the threat that it currently holds towards humans. This god is unstable, irrational, uncompassionate, unrepentant, selfrightous, homocidal and sadistic. Death is my prefered way to contain it, the laws of physics are in place and we can continue to exist without this god. If we kill it we can avoid armageddon, please help. Is there a way we can kill this vile creature?

Zai Jian

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

QuoteLet me say how we humans are created and how we are blessed.

Actually, rather than describing it, how about you provide some evidence that we are, in fact, created.

yes,sure,will come to that very soon,but it will be very long and screed,you guys have to accumulate some patience for it,but I'm not going to bore you,we will have fun for it.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"yes,sure,will come to that very soon,but it will be very long and screed,you guys have to accumulate some patience for it,but I'm not going to bore you,we will have fun for it.

The truth is often succinct and takes understanding rather than patience to accept.
Brainwashing is often lengthy and tedious and takes patience rather than understanding to endure

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"well,at least I was driving by in the beginning, and I found that you guys are having fun among your atheists alone,which is lacking some heat,so it occurs to me that why not come joning you guys and stir up some heat,so that we have more funs together,among us atheists and theist,because among your atheists,you always have th same views and concepts,no debate,no arguements,it is so quiet,so tranquil,so cool,and so lonely,so you see,when I joined you guys,heat is being built up.

Have you read this forum?  Have you read any of the forums you've visited?  The only thing atheists have in common is their thoughts on deities, everything else is up for debate - and I do mean everything.  Besides, every atheist forum I've ever been a member of has believers on it.  Unfortunately, most of them don't hang around long because they view any questioning of their belief systems as attacks on them personally and leave in a huff after only a few posts, with obvious exceptions like Animated Dirt here on this forum.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"well,at least I was driving by in the beginning

Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"well,at least I was driving by in the beginning, and I found that you guys are having fun among your atheists alone,which is lacking some heat,so it occurs to me that why not come joning you guys and stir up some heat,so that we have more funs together,among us atheists and theist,because among your atheists,you always have th same views and concepts,no debate,no arguements,it is so quiet,so tranquil,so cool,and so lonely,so you see,when I joined you guys,heat is being built up.

By heat do you mean conflict? Is this your desired state? Is this what you mean by fun?

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

I wouldn't mind if it was something useful, maybe a tail, yes I'd like a tail.
Has to a good one though, I still want to be able to sit in my chair comfortably.

Oh and can you please make quotes look like quotes, just " " would help.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"As I'm looking for a co-author for the book through the forum here.

Um...do you know what atheist means?

Thank you for asking,by chance I know it because I was one some 15 years ago myself.

Once an atheist,does not mean an atheist forever.
That is why I am here to find friends.

That wasn't why I asked....I know that people can decide to not be an atheist later (have yet to meet someone who can explain why without appealing to emotions).

I asked because it doesn't make sense to look for a co-author of a book abut Armageddon on an atheist forum....an end times forum or something like that would have more potential applicants.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"well,at least I was driving by in the beginning

Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

I'm not interested in the thread topic so I my forget to check in on how it is proceeding as often as may be necessary, please let me know if he doesn't make an honest attempt to back up the claims...can either pm me or use the report button.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"well,at least I was driving by in the beginning

Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

I'm not interested in the thread topic so I my forget to check in on how it is proceeding as often as may be necessary, please let me know if he doesn't make an honest attempt to back up the claims...can either pm me or use the report button.

Sure.

Hi,thanks for all the postings,I'm on the move,running something urgent ,will be back in a couple of days to answer questions.Sorry.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"well,at least I was driving by in the beginning, and I found that you guys are having fun among your atheists alone,which is lacking some heat,so it occurs to me that why not come joning you guys and stir up some heat,so that we have more funs together,among us atheists and theist,because among your atheists,you always have th same views and concepts,no debate,no arguements,it is so quiet,so tranquil,so cool,and so lonely,so you see,when I joined you guys,heat is being built up.

By heat do you mean conflict? Is this your desired state? Is this what you mean by fun?

By Heat I mean extensive excahnges of views on the topic with mutual respect,understanding,tolerance,non-offensive,non-hostile, but a friendly treating in the atmosphere of humanity,we are civilized human,not savages,right.You may have noticed that I have never uttered even one word of non-respect,nor humiliating anyone,nor hurting anyone,nor attacking anyone,nor fighting back to the rude an harsh words posted here. I'm treating everyone with duly compassion that I was taught and told.

By fun I mean that we could have a nice debate in delightful and joyful way although this is a topic of somewhat serious.
Ignorance makes people hold nothing in awe.Look at the posting by Stevil,you will know what I mean.I will come to that later,Stevil.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Ignorance makes people hold nothing in awe.Look at the posting by Stevil,you will know what I mean.I will come to that later,Stevil.

Most likely that I am ignorant. I am looking forward to your response, but please keep it succint as I am adverse to reading through too much stuff to get to the good bits. Am pretty keen to learn how to kill the beast so would be great if you could start off with the how. I'm thinking a stake through the heart or something to that effect.

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Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Armageddon, you seem to be just preaching to us, which is strictly against the forum rules. If you want to actually have a nice debate, please back up your claims with some evidence.

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here are some evidences you guys asked for:

Evidences of four ways of becoming immortal and divine:

First Evidence:
ascending to heaven by flying upto sky in daytime/bai ri fei sheng
http://www.chinaqigong.com/qigongzonghe ... /1022.html (http://www.chinaqigong.com/qigongzonghe/qigonglilun/1022.html)

Second Evidence:
honghua/the body becomes a beam of red light and disappears like a rainbow up into the sky/heaven,here is the link with historical records:
http://hi.baidu.com/mingxianju/blog/ite ... f39e2.html (http://hi.baidu.com/mingxianju/blog/item/a244b6350386e51590ef39e2.html)

more links for honghua:
http://baike.baidu.com/view/211974.htm (http://baike.baidu.com/view/211974.htm)
http://www.xici.net/#d24784721.htm (http://www.xici.net/#d24784721.htm)
http://cblog.chinadaily.com.cn/port/art ... 9819.shtml (http://cblog.chinadaily.com.cn/port/artlife/123222539819.shtml)

Third Evidence:

zhang yan fa/something appointed in camouflage or in disguise as the body,but the person has gone at the time of attaining fruition/sublimation,it is also called shi jie ( shi:corpse,jie:jie kai de jie)

links:
http://www.qmdjnet.cn/article/sort018/info-46.html (http://www.qmdjnet.cn/article/sort018/info-46.html)
http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/a1236500/art ... &next=1799 (http://tw.myblog.yahoo.com/a1236500/article?mid=1800&prev=1808&next=1799)
http://vip.book.sina.com.cn/book/chapte ... 32530.html (http://vip.book.sina.com.cn/book/chapter_49250_32530.html)

All the above websites are in Chinese language.If Stevil can read Chinese,please kindly do me a favor by translating the essence of the sites to all friends here on this topic.If you can not read Chinese,please all guys try to find some chinese
friends around you,or just grab some chinese guys in your neighbourhood to help
you to understand it.

Or,if anyone has no Chinese friends to help you,I will help you when I come back from my trip.

Fourth Evidence:
There is the 4th way of becoming immortal ,actually I'm trying to explain to you in terms of biology how come it is possible that human cells can stop growing old.

We know that there is the cell division,for children,the cell division is for the purpose of body growth,for adults,it is for the purpose of supplying heat.But the
telomerase (telosome) becomes shorter in the process of cell division,and thus
human body grow old.One of the function of Metabolism is to produce and supply heat energy to human body,and the cell division is the result of the metabolism. But when there is other sources of heat supply guaranteed,there is no need for the cell division to go on,so when the cell division is stopped,the human body no more grows old.You remember that in previous postings I mentioned that deities have atoms to form their body,well,the atoms'
heat supply is competely different compared with our human body,so their cell of atoms does not need the cell division to supply heat to the body.

There are more ways for Buddhist and Christian to become immortal,which will be explained later.

The following is continued from above description,but also an explanation about some killings in some natural disasters,such as earth quakes.

At the moment of the body becoming immortal,entering the level of atom from the level of molecule,there is a very severe reaction in the body,which can be described as a kind of atomic bomb explosion,( it is only a metaphor,not actually such explosion) it is so powerful that it can provoke earthquakes.For sure many people will die in earthquakes.Can we say that people are killed by the practitioners' becoming immortal? No,we can not say so,because when a practitioner becomes immortal,he will form his own divine realm,which is still empty at that moment,and in which he will need a lot of multitudes (multitudes refer to all living creatures,not only human beings.)So by dying in such an earthquake,they only departed from the secular world,and immediately arrive at the new Deity's divine realm as multitudes.

Not many earthquakes are this kind of quakes.

People who immigrated to American know that,they can not stay at their mother country at the same time when stay at America,they have to depart from the mother country,and settle up all kinds of debts that they had,they can not simply pack up and go.For those who will become multitudes in the Deity's divine realm also have to clear up their debts,and have to depart from the secular world,which is in the form of being killed in the earth quakes.

Can we say,if so,there will be no need to rescue the dying people in the quakes,
no,we can not do that,we humans have our humans rules,that when we see someone is dying,we must rescue.

We must say that such kind of quakes are very few in human history.And all truths are kept unknown to human world.What I can say is that in Dec.2004,there was a practitioner from Tibet,who became immortal in his dwelling place somewhere in South Asia. No more details can  be said about that,sorry for that.Looking at the postings of Stevil,you will know why no more details can be said.

Evidence of the Practitioners becoming immortal is the evidence of the existence of Deities.God is one of the Deities.Therefore it is also the evidence of the existence of God.

Here is another story about animal killing.We all know there are very strict precepts that buddhists are not allowed to kill any living creatures deliberately,even mosquitos,flies,and cockroaches.But there is such a story in ancient china,that there is a dog,that lives nearby a Buddhist temple with its owner's home,the dog always went to the Buddhist Temple,to lie where Buddhist
monks were reading Buddha Scripture aloud,listen to them reading.One day the Temple Abbot told some young monks to kill the dog at certain moment within a couple of days.When the moment came,the Abbot asked the monks if whey had done as they were told.They said :" no,how could we kill the dog as there is very strict
precepts,we dare not".The abbot had to take a big wooden stick to kill the dog immediately by himself.The young monks were very much surprised and asked him why.
The Abbot explained to them that since the dog had listened to the Scripture reading in the temple for several years,it has sowed some good karma seeds for a good life reward,and there is a pregnent woman nearby,who is supposed to deliver her baby at the moment I told you to kill the dog,since the dog is not dead,and thus not able to go for the reincarnation,this woman is in dystocia,if the dog finally fails to be reincarnated,the baby and the pregnant woman will die.

About 10 years later,a boy came to the Temple to  be a monk there.The boy's previous life was that dog.

I wish this answers the enraged question of Stevil.

Here is the link with some similar stories:
http://hi.baidu.com/%B7%F0%D7%D3%85d%BE ... 2d350.html (http://hi.baidu.com/%B7%F0%D7%D3%85d%BE%BB%D2%E2/blog/item/52caed37b017eebbd1a2d350.html)

Deaths to humans are the same,but actually not the same.I do not know if Stevil has ever read Tao Te Jing by Laozi.

There is a sentence like this:Those who die but do not demise will live long.( Si Er Bu Wang Zhe Shou).How come? If I will not be convicted as preaching by a Jury of you guys,I will go on to say it.

In ancient time,when Deities descended down to human world to deliver the divine laws,they talk very briefly,because at ancient times people did not have complicated thoughts like now,and do not have the science or technology to understand a much higher law,for instance,if Sakyamuni and Jesus Christ and Laozu talked about atom and atmic radioactivities,and molecules ,cell divisions ,biology ,no one could understand what they meant.So they talk very briefly and simply  , only told people what to follow, never told people why to follow. Now,after over 2000 years ,the scenario of human beings have been changed too much ,and when Deities descended down to earth now ,they will deliver their law in a scientific way ,because people can understand now ,and also because people tend not to believe what had been told by the early stage Deities because the development of science.

So you see ,it is not that I know about science ,it is because the Deity talk in a scientific way ,and that I have some enlightenments of my own ,that’s it .I’m an ordinary man, same as each of you guys ,so there is no divinity in what I said here ,believe it or not ,it’s up to you guys.

Sakyamuni said there are as many Buddha as the sands in the river Ganges.So it does not make any sense to argue about Polytheism and monotheism, there are as many  Deities as we humans, even much more .Only that each person can only choose one deity to follow, the one that has descended down to earth for the deliverance.

Did Deities make mistake? You maybe surprised that the answer is Yes .If they do not make  mistakes, there will be no human beings .I do not mean that human beings are created by a mistake ,they created us human beings because they know they make mistakes ,so when they make mistakes ,they could fall down to be a human,otherwise once they make mistakes ,they are in the peril to be put into perdition .So to be a human ,they will be given the chance to wake upto ascend back to where they had fallen down from ,to go back home.


Evidences about creation will be given later, when you guys give me the right to defend myself for what is and what is not preaching. A criminal has the right to defend himself in court, do I have the right? Or just you guys give me the death penalty , an unfair verdict without a jury ? Do you call it fair and justice?

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I wonder why you are so opposed to the concept of Blessing,it seems so irrational.

I wouldn't mind if it was something useful, maybe a tail, yes I'd like a tail.
Has to a good one though, I still want to be able to sit in my chair comfortably.

Oh and can you please make quotes look like quotes, just " " would help.

OK,thanks Maggic Pudding,I will care about it.Tails and evidences have been provided in above postings.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"that is why marriage between different races are forbidden by the Deity

Your religion spreads intolerance and discrimination hence I will place this onto the "source of evil" pile of unproven theories.

BTW your second long post was far too long, hence I refuse to invest my time reading it, you have already lost me once I understand your beliefs to be intolerant. Good luck with your future.

Ugh. I hate all these issues over marriage and love. Just let people marry/have sex with who they goddamn want.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Ugh. I hate all these issues over marriage and love. Just let people marry/have sex with who they goddamn want.

It's bizzare, when they are creating barriers to love how can they promote that they are a faith based on love?

Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Ugh. I hate all these issues over marriage and love. Just let people marry/have sex with who they goddamn want.

It's bizzare, when they are creating barriers to love how can they promote that they are a faith based on love?

In his profile, Armageddon claims to be a Buddhist.  I don't recall that being a component of Buddhism like it is in the three Abrahamic religions, but to be sure, I'll have to ask my friend who is a former Buddhist monk.

Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"that is why marriage between different races are forbidden by the Deity

Your religion spreads intolerance and discrimination hence I will place this onto the "source of evil" pile of unproven theories.

BTW your second long post was far too long, hence I refuse to invest my time reading it, you have already lost me once I understand your beliefs to be intolerant. Good luck with your future.

this is obvious misunderstanding,refusing reading is even better than misunderstanding.
Thanks.Good Luck to you too.

Quote from: "Velma"

Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Ugh. I hate all these issues over marriage and love. Just let people marry/have sex with who they goddamn want.

It's bizzare, when they are creating barriers to love how can they promote that they are a faith based on love?

In his profile, Armageddon claims to be a Buddhist.  I don't recall that being a component of Buddhism like it is in the three Abrahamic religions, but to be sure, I'll have to ask my friend who is a former Buddhist monk.

It's not a Buddhist belief...they have the "four noble truths" and the "Eightfold Path"; neither of which prescribe how one must think about sexual orientation.  The Buddhist view of sex is that it simply must not be harmful towards others.  

Armageddon needs to work very hard on step 3 of the eightfold path because he's missing the mark:

Quote3. Right Speech

Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics is obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and not to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and gently and to talk only when necessary.

http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html (http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html)

Also, traditional Buddhists don't believe in a deity.

Quote from: "Whitney"The Buddhist view of sex is that it simply must not be harmful towards others.  

This is why I like Buddhism.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"

Quote from: "Whitney"The Buddhist view of sex is that it simply must not be harmful towards others.  

This is why I like Buddhism.

That is a very healthy view of sex.

My friend confirmed my thoughts - in Buddhism marriage is secular, there's not even a requirement to marry another Buddhist.  You just have to make sure all the boxes are ticked regarding civil law.  Buddhism does offer some basic guidelines for having a good marriage, but being married or single is a matter of personal preference.

Quote from: "Velma"

Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Ugh. I hate all these issues over marriage and love. Just let people marry/have sex with who they goddamn want.

It's bizzare, when they are creating barriers to love how can they promote that they are a faith based on love?

In his profile, Armageddon claims to be a Buddhist.  I don't recall that being a component of Buddhism like it is in the three Abrahamic religions, but to be sure, I'll have to ask my friend who is a former Buddhist monk.

Is that right?  Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are against inter racial marriage?
I did a quick google search on the Christianity bit and could find they are against marriage against non Christians (which is bad enough) but against inter racial!
I think I need to search for a list on intolerances, surley someone has compiled a list against the respective faiths.

Seems Bhuddism may be quite tolerant, more of a positive tolerant philosophy rather than a faith.
I'll take Bhuddism off my list of source of evil, but need to replace it with something, wonder what faith this armageddon dude is trying to sell?

Quote from: "Stevil"Is that right?  Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are against inter racial marriage?
I did a quick google search on the Christianity bit and could find they are against marriage against non Christians (which is bad enough) but against inter racial!
I think I need to search for a list on intolerances, surley someone has compiled a list against the respective faiths.

Seems Bhuddism may be quite tolerant, more of a positive tolerant philosophy rather than a faith.
I'll take Bhuddism off my list of source of evil, but need to replace it with something, wonder what faith this armageddon dude is trying to sell?

I don't think many Christians are against interracial marriages anymore, though a lot of them do seem to be against interfaith marriages.

It does seem to me that Buddhism is a quite tolerant and peaceful religion/philosophy. While I don't agree with many of its teachings (don't have desires, don't eat meat, reincarnation, etc.), I don't really have anything against it.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"

Quote from: "Stevil"Is that right?  Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are against inter racial marriage?
I did a quick google search on the Christianity bit and could find they are against marriage against non Christians (which is bad enough) but against inter racial!
I think I need to search for a list on intolerances, surley someone has compiled a list against the respective faiths.

Seems Bhuddism may be quite tolerant, more of a positive tolerant philosophy rather than a faith.
I'll take Bhuddism off my list of source of evil, but need to replace it with something, wonder what faith this armageddon dude is trying to sell?

I don't think many Christians are against interracial marriages anymore, though a lot of them do seem to be against interfaith marriages.

It does seem to me that Buddhism is a quite tolerant and peaceful religion/philosophy. While I don't agree with many of its teachings (don't have desires, don't eat meat, reincarnation, etc.), I don't really have anything against it.

PLease allow me to make some clarifications about it.
We are not against anything,people have all their right in their secular life according to human secular law,including inter-racial marriges.
I used a wrong word for it "forbidden",actually it is not forbidden,even for believers it is not forbidden because it has become reality in human secular life.It is only "recommended not to",if someone have already involved in an inter-racial marriage,it is quite ok for them to go on with their life,nothing wrong with that.

What I'm trying to exlpain is that every race has a correlated divine realm and every race on earth has different  rooted origins from divine realm,where there is no mngle of blood.So when people are supposed to go back to their own divine realm where they had come from,if they have mingled blood,they won't be accepted because of the mingled blood.Well,this is no more a problem because those who have mixed blood can go back to where they came from without the body of human flesh,I mean the Spirit has no mixed blood.For instance,the mixed blood from Europeans and Africans may have an African black people's spirit,
and it depends,it is also possible that he may have an European Spirit,but what is sure is that he can not have both at the same time.So where he will go back to depends on what Spirit he has.THat's what I meant.Sorry for the misunderstanding that I caused due to my poor writing.

Quote from: "Whitney"

Quote from: "Velma"

Quote from: "Stevil"It's bizzare, when they are creating barriers to love how can they promote that they are a faith based on love?

In his profile, Armageddon claims to be a Buddhist.  I don't recall that being a component of Buddhism like it is in the three Abrahamic religions, but to be sure, I'll have to ask my friend who is a former Buddhist monk.

It's not a Buddhist belief...they have the "four noble truths" and the "Eightfold Path"; neither of which prescribe how one must think about sexual orientation.  The Buddhist view of sex is that it simply must not be harmful towards others.  

Armageddon needs to work very hard on step 3 of the eightfold path because he's missing the mark:

Quote3. Right Speech

Right speech is the first principle of ethical conduct in the eightfold path. Ethical conduct is viewed as a guideline to moral discipline, which supports the other principles of the path. This aspect is not self-sufficient, however, essential, because mental purification can only be achieved through the cultivation of ethical conduct. The importance of speech in the context of Buddhist ethics is obvious: words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace. Buddha explained right speech as follows: 1. to abstain from false speech, especially not to tell deliberate lies and not to speak deceitfully, 2. to abstain from slanderous speech and not to use words maliciously against others, 3. to abstain from harsh words that offend or hurt others, and 4. to abstain from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth. Positively phrased, this means to tell the truth, to speak friendly, warm, and gently and to talk only when necessary.

http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html (http://www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html)

Also, traditional Buddhists don't believe in a deity.

Thanks,Whiteney,for your nice advice.I only follow our Buddha,not the Deity.But since I'm on the subject of Armageddon,it does not matter that I talk about any Deities or Jesus Christ.God and Buddha both are a  Deity  of the kind of their own .

Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "Velma"

Quote from: "Stevil"It's bizzare, when they are creating barriers to love how can they promote that they are a faith based on love?

In his profile, Armageddon claims to be a Buddhist.  I don't recall that being a component of Buddhism like it is in the three Abrahamic religions, but to be sure, I'll have to ask my friend who is a former Buddhist monk.

Is that right?  Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are against inter racial marriage?
I did a quick google search on the Christianity bit and could find they are against marriage against non Christians (which is bad enough) but against inter racial!
I think I need to search for a list on intolerances, surley someone has compiled a list against the respective faiths.

Seems Bhuddism may be quite tolerant, more of a positive tolerant philosophy rather than a faith.
I'll take Bhuddism off my list of source of evil, but need to replace it with something, wonder what faith this armageddon dude is trying to sell?

Dude,nothing to sell,just exchanges of views on the subject.

Quote from: "Stevil" BTW your second long post was far too long, hence I refuse to invest my time reading it, you have already lost me once I understand your beliefs to be intolerant. Good luck with your future.

Sorry the second long post contains the evidence you have asked for,the evidence of the existence of Deities and God.It is your call whether you have the patiece to read it or not.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"

Quote from: "Stevil"Is that right?  Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are against inter racial marriage?
I did a quick google search on the Christianity bit and could find they are against marriage against non Christians (which is bad enough) but against inter racial!
I think I need to search for a list on intolerances, surley someone has compiled a list against the respective faiths.

Seems Bhuddism may be quite tolerant, more of a positive tolerant philosophy rather than a faith.
I'll take Bhuddism off my list of source of evil, but need to replace it with something, wonder what faith this armageddon dude is trying to sell?

I don't think many Christians are against interracial marriages anymore, though a lot of them do seem to be against interfaith marriages.

It does seem to me that Buddhism is a quite tolerant and peaceful religion/philosophy. While I don't agree with many of its teachings (don't have desires, don't eat meat, reincarnation, etc.), I don't really have anything against it.

THere is nothing wrong for secular people to eat meat,to have desires,actually it does not matter what you eat,it is the desire that you want to eat so strongly that matters.It is same for the strong desires to do anything that matters.But if you want become immortal and divine,you have to get rid of the desires because Deities do not have such desires,if you want to become one of them,you can't have either.

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012 (Actually, it was HnS)"Err, no. Humans are comprised mainly of proteins.

Are we not like... Mostly water..?

The water particle is also molecule. Isn't it? Everything is our human world is formed of molecules.And in the eye of Deities,molecules are clay,very rough and filthy.

Quote from: "Tank"A Chinese man called Prudence Edwards  :secret:

 :bananacolor:

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Quote from: "Tank"A Chinese man called Prudence Edwards  :secret:

Indeed, and apparently a buddhist christian Chinese man, at that.

A Buddhist is a Buddhist,he can not be a Christian at the same time.I'd like to clarify that I'm a Buddhist,talking something about Christian because as I said earlier,up in a higher level of a divine realm,Christian is one of the disciplines of the Buddhistical system,which means that if there is any problem that can not be explained by Christian,it can be explained from the Buddhistical system.

Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"We humans all wish we have blessings from our God,

Ni Hao Prudence Edwards
Xin Nian Kuai Le

I am a human and I do not wish for blessing from your god.

I am not sure what the bhuddist god is, I didn't think they had a god.
If your god is described in the Christian bible then I am in the current state of mind that this god should be put to death for the attrocities it had performed on humans and for the threat that it currently holds towards humans. This god is unstable, irrational, uncompassionate, unrepentant, selfrightous, homocidal and sadistic. Death is my prefered way to contain it, the laws of physics are in place and we can continue to exist without this god. If we kill it we can avoid armageddon, please help. Is there a way we can kill this vile creature?

Zai Jian

Your posting per se is the evidence of the compassion and benevolence  of all Deities.
You may not understand what it implies,and I do not want to hurt you by saying it in a too explicit way.THe dilemma is,if I do not make it clear to you,you may not understand it,if I make it too clear to you,it may hurt you.So please forgive me if you feel being hurt because that is not what I intended to do.

Since you are a Chinese,I do not know where you were educated and where you grew up,but you might have heard a Chinese saying that there is a Deity about the 3 feet height above each man's head,which means Deities are omnipresent.They have the capability and power of doing anything in less than a second,if they could manipulate nuclear fusion by thought,you might think there is nothing they could not do.That's true.What you have written here in your posting,before you wrote it,even before you thought of it,is never out of their awareness,but they choose to do nothing to hurt you because you are human,and you so ignorant,and the human world and all humans are so created to be ignorant of Deities,and especially maintained to be so,the existence of Deities and God is expecially maintained to be unable to be evidenced and verified,no matter how hard human being try to find the evidence of the existence of God,they can never find because their science is so low.Human beings are at so low a level that they never deserve a finger of the Deity to hurt them,Deit;es never hurt humans no matter how harsh human being have place curses upon them.But it does not mean that there is no sin and karma for placing such curses and sacrilege upon them.Retribution has not been effective because they want to give you time for repent and shrift.

The real compassion is that they have the capability to do anything,but they always choose not to hurt any Human beings,not that they are not able to.

Since you are a Chinese by blood,I'd like to say something more to you.THere is a Chinese legend passed down from ancient time,that our universe is a Deity,whose name is Pan Gu,which means that the earth and the solar system is only a particle in His Body.How many atomic bombs have been tested since the 1940's on earth? Can any of the atmic bomb explosions make a scratch in the solar system? If an atomic bomb explosion can not make a scratch in the solar system,how can you hurt Him,let alone the other bloody thing you uttered,which I did not want to repeat.You please tell me,how can you do it? Satan is much more powerful than you,and in thue 14 billion years of cosmos history,never has Satan been able to hurt even one of the Deitei,so you please tell me,how can you do it?

Do you know that Chinese language and Chinese culture are created by Deity? Do you know that,since ancient time ,even up to now,Chinese Land is called the Land of Divinity? ( Shen Zhou) Do you know that one of the first two Emperors,in ancient China about 5000 years ago,Huang Di , ( The Yellow Emperor) never died,but became immortal and divine,by taking a flight with a Dragon, who especially came to pick Huang Di up, up into the heaven,which is called Bai Ri Fei Sheng ( Flying up to Heaven at day time)?
( There are four ways of becoming immortal and divine,which have been explained in my previous posting,asked by you guys for evidence.And when evidence is provided,you said you refuse to invest your time reading it,who do you think you are ,Stevil,I never lost you,Stevil, but you yourself get lost.If you want to have a sincere and serious debate,you have to be responsible for yourself and serious with yourself.You do not know why I came here to debate with you guys,which can only be said some time later,not now.)

I wish you could repent and confess here on the website very soon for what you have said.

By now you coud also understand that Ignorance by Charles Darwin means the ignorance of science,while the ignorance by me refers to the human ignorance of Deity.
And by now you would have come to know that because of this kind of ignorance,human beings have committed a lot of sins and karma,which eventually lead to sufferings and disasters.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"

Quote from: "Stevil"Is that right?  Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are against inter racial marriage?
I did a quick google search on the Christianity bit and could find they are against marriage against non Christians (which is bad enough) but against inter racial!
I think I need to search for a list on intolerances, surley someone has compiled a list against the respective faiths.

Seems Bhuddism may be quite tolerant, more of a positive tolerant philosophy rather than a faith.
I'll take Bhuddism off my list of source of evil, but need to replace it with something, wonder what faith this armageddon dude is trying to sell?

I don't think many Christians are against interracial marriages anymore, though a lot of them do seem to be against interfaith marriages.

It does seem to me that Buddhism is a quite tolerant and peaceful religion/philosophy. While I don't agree with many of its teachings (don't have desires, don't eat meat, reincarnation, etc.), I don't really have anything against it.

Christianity does discourage marrying anyone who isn't also a christian.  You will also find the occasional group who preaches that marrying outside their specific flavor of belief is also wrong, but it seems that number is diminishing.

Here in the West especially, Buddhism is pretty benign.  I doubt this is the case everywhere.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"

Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"We humans all wish we have blessings from our God,

Ni Hao Prudence Edwards
Xin Nian Kuai Le

I am a human and I do not wish for blessing from your god.

I am not sure what the bhuddist god is, I didn't think they had a god.
If your god is described in the Christian bible then I am in the current state of mind that this god should be put to death for the attrocities it had performed on humans and for the threat that it currently holds towards humans. This god is unstable, irrational, uncompassionate, unrepentant, selfrightous, homocidal and sadistic. Death is my prefered way to contain it, the laws of physics are in place and we can continue to exist without this god. If we kill it we can avoid armageddon, please help. Is there a way we can kill this vile creature?

Zai Jian

Your posting per se is the evidence of the compassion and benevolence  of all Deities.
You may not understand what it implies,and I do not want to hurt you by saying it in a too explicit way.THe dilemma is,if I do not make it clear to you,you may not understand it,if I make it too clear to you,it may hurt you.So please forgive me if you feel being hurt because that is not what I intended to do.

Since you are a Chinese,I do not know where you were educated and where you grew up,but you might have heard a Chinese saying that there is a Deity about the 3 feet height above each man's head,which means Deities are omnipresent.They have the capability and power of doing anything in less than a second,if they could manipulate nuclear fusion by thought,you might think there is nothing they could not do.That's true.What you have written here in your posting,before you wrote it,even before you thought of it,is never out of their awareness,but they choose to do nothing to hurt you because you are human,and you so ignorant,and the human world and all humans are so created to be ignorant of Deities,and especially maintained to be so,the existence of Deities and God is expecially maintained to be unable to be evidenced and verified,no matter how hard human being try to find the evidence of the existence of God,they can never find because their science is so low.Human beings are at so low a level that they never deserve a finger of the Deity to hurt them,Deit;es never hurt humans no matter how harsh human being have place curses upon them.But it does not mean that there is no sin and karma for placing such curses and sacrilege upon them.Retribution has not been effective because they want to give you time for repent and shrift.

The real compassion is that they have the capability to do anything,but they always choose not to hurt any Human beings,not that they are not able to.

Since you are a Chinese by blood,I'd like to say something more to you.THere is a Chinese legend passed down from ancient time,that our universe is a Deity,whose name is Pan Gu,which means that the earth and the solar system is only a particle in His Body.How many atomic bombs have been tested since the 1940's on earth? Can cany of the atmic bomb explosions make a scratch in the solar system? If an atomic bomb explosion can not make a scratch in the solar system,how can you hurt Him,let alone the other bloody thing you uttered,which I did not want to repeat.You please tell me,how can you do it?

Do you know that Chinese language and Chinese culture are created by Deity? Do you know that,since ancient time ,even up to now,Chinese Land is called the Land of Divinity? ( Shen Zhou)

I wish you could repent and confess here on the website very soon for what you have said.

By now you coud also understand that Ignorance by Charles Darwin means the ignorance of science,while the ignorance by me refers to the ignorance of Deity.
And by now you would have come to know that because of this kind of ignorance,human beings have committed a lot of sins and karma,which eventually lead to sufferings and disasters.

:eek:

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"THere is nothing wrong for secular people to eat meat,to have desires,actually it does not matter what you eat,it is the desire that you want to eat so strongly that matters.It is same for the strong desires to do anything that matters.But if you want become immortal and divine,you have to get rid of the desires because Deities do not have such desires,if you want to become one of them,you can't have either.

That's paradoxical. To become immortal and divine, you must not have any desires -- but yet, you have to desire to become immortal and divine to become so, yet you can't if you do, because that's a desire.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"THere is nothing wrong for secular people to eat meat,to have desires,actually it does not matter what you eat,it is the desire that you want to eat so strongly that matters.It is same for the strong desires to do anything that matters.But if you want become immortal and divine,you have to get rid of the desires because Deities do not have such desires,if you want to become one of them,you can't have either.

That's paradoxical. To become immortal and divine, you must not have any desires -- but yet, you have to desire to become immortal and divine to become so, yet you can't if you do, because that's a desire.

That's a very good point and that is also true,it has been perplexing me for several years too.But you know what,you can not have a very strong desire for becoming immortal ,because in that way you can never attain to it,the solution is that you just need to have the willingness, but with fortitude and persistence in faith.The rest will be done by the Deity that you follow.

THank you for asking such a brilliant question,I'm so glad,finally I meet a dude with high intelligence.

Quote from Velma:Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of the astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.~Carl Sagan

Man,when deprived of the spiritual part and  power,either fantasy or normal thinking or inferring or reasoning,is only a shell ,and a lump of meat alive,nothing else and nothing upstairs.

Quote from Legendary :Image  "Something is true because it matches reality, not because some well-regarded person said it." - The Black Jester.


Something can be true just because a Deity said it,and it immediately becomes true when He said it because reality can be produced at the same time when it is being said,such as the creation.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Quote from Legendary :Image  "Something is true because it matches reality, not because some well-regarded person said it." - The Black Jester.


Something can be true just because a Deity said it,and it immediately becomes true when He said it because reality can be produced at the same time when it is being said,such as the creation.

Care to demonstrate this?

Quote from: "Davin"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Quote from Legendary :Image  "Something is true because it matches reality, not because some well-regarded person said it." - The Black Jester.


Something can be true just because a Deity said it,and it immediately becomes true when He said it because reality can be produced at the same time when it is being said,such as the creation.

Care to demonstrate this?

Yes,will come to that within about 2 or 3 days.

Quote from: "Davin"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Quote from Legendary :Image  "Something is true because it matches reality, not because some well-regarded person said it." - The Black Jester.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Quote from Velma:Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of the astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.~Carl Sagan

Man,when deprived of the spiritual part and  power,either fantasy or normal thinking or inferring or reasoning,is only a shell ,and a lump of meat alive,nothing else and nothing upstairs.

I hope you noticed that quote is from Carl Sagan, Armageddon.

What do you mean the spiritual part?  Just because a person is an atheist, that does not mean s/he is less than human - thinking, feeling, dreaming, fantasizing, reasoning, and all the rest are an integral part of being human.  In fact, my personal experience is that I became less judgmental, bitter, spiteful, and much happier when I left belief in deities behind - in addition to being able to think more clearly.

Quote from: "Velma"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Quote from Velma:Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of the astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.~Carl Sagan

Man,when deprived of the spiritual part and  power,either fantasy or normal thinking or inferring or reasoning,is only a shell ,and a lump of meat alive,nothing else and nothing upstairs.

I hope you noticed that quote is from Carl Sagan, Armageddon.

What do you mean the spiritual part?  Just because a person is an atheist, that does not mean s/he is less than human - thinking, feeling, dreaming, fantasizing, reasoning, and all the rest are an integral part of being human.  In fact, my personal experience is that I became less judgmental, bitter, spiteful, and much happier when I left belief in deities behind - in addition to being able to think more clearly.

Yes ,I know you quoted from Carl Sagan,but since it can not be quoted by me by pushing the "quote" button,I have to say "quote from Velma." Actually what I wrote here  has nothing to do with your personal experience.

By Spiritual part I mean the brain's main function of thinking and reasoning and inferring.

My personal experience is that I used to be a little retarded before I converted from an atheist to a theist.
I did not know when you left your belief in your Deity,but there is some truth that has never been revealed.
Deities always look after the human beings who have faith in them,but they take shifts,normally each of them stay in the postion to look after their followers for not more than 10 earth years,then there will be another Deity,in the same name and same figure as the previous one,because if they stay too long,they will be affected and polluted by human feelings,becaue Deities can not have human feelings or emotions.But in recent years all deities have left,no longer look after their followers because the Armageddon has started,which is one of the main reasons why there are so many natural disasters in recent years because Deities have left,and all the responsibility to look after the real followers has been passed on to another Deity,who is in charge of the Armageddon.

So when the Deity that you have faith in has left,nothing will work in case you still have faith in them,or it might be worse.The New Deity does not necessarily take over the followers of the previous Deities because they are totally different.

For example when people read Buddha's Scriptures,it will work when the Buddha is behind the scripture,and when necessary,He will enlighten you,so you suddenly came to understand the deeper meaning of certain sentences,but if the Buddha has left,He will no more enlighten you,and then your understanding might be mislead by some false concepts.I wish what I explained could be of any help to you.

Do you have any proof that such deities exist, Armageddon?

Quote from: "Velma"Do you have any proof that such deities exist, Armageddon?

Yes,sure,I have,but I can not tell you at this moment.
There are many reasons that I can not tell you.
One of the reasons for not telling you is for not to let you get hurt when you do not have the piety and sincerity.Take Stevil for example,when people have no piety and sincerity towards Deity,they dare think,and say anything they like,and thus they committed a felony in ignorance, the sacrilege will be sooner or later put into retribution by the executor if not duly repented.

Some very high level Deities'  names can not even be let known to human beings,let alone atheists,which is also on purpuse to protect people who are ignorant.Atheists are the least to know anything about Deities.

Rules are set by Deities,not by humans.For example,what are desires of human beings are defined by Deities,the willingness of human beings to become immortal and divine are not defined as human secular desires.

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Preaching is against the forum rules, if you are not able to support your claims with evidence then you shouldn't be posting at HAF.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I'm so glad,finally I meet a dude with high intelligence.

I take it that you have insulted everyone (except LegendarySandwich) who has taken the time to converse with you on this thread

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Preaching is against the forum rules, if you are not able to support your claims with evidence then you shouldn't be posting at HAF.

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OK,thanks for the warning,though I did not agree with it,I had to accept it because it seems there is no other way for me.
I will come back with evidence very soon.

Sounds like someone needs to have their dosage adjusted...

Why has the original post been completely rewritten? It's now a completely original work all about Jesus Christ.
I assume you are no longer buddhist?

This is the new OP. Kick this disingenuous fucker off the forum!

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"How to wait Upon Messiah


The Revelation was written about 1900 years ago,which prophesies the return,or second coming of Jesus Christ, Messiah  about over 1900 years later ,and people  were told  to wait upon  Messiah.

But the problem is that the return of Jesus Christ,Messiah are expected to take place more than 1900 years later,from the time the Revelation was written.So with the life expectation less than one hundred years of each human beings,how can we wait for Jesus Christ,who will only return over 1900 years later? The time to wait exceeds the life expectation of each individual.

The Bible tells people what to do ,but does not tell people why and how to.
The following also answers the questions whence the evil of war in human world while answering the question of why and how to wait.

Apparently  no one could live out the 1900 years to witness the return of Jesus Christ .So there must have been some implied allusions that have not been revealed in the Bible ,otherwise it does not make any sense when it asked you to wait while there was no way for you to wait at all for such a long period of time although it did not indicate clearly for how long people have to wait. Well ,suppose it indicated clearly how long people have to wait ,there will be a lot of problems arising from that .First it violates the rule that prophecy must be obscure and written in a detoured and indirect way; second ,it had to point to an exact date on which Jesus Christ will be Returning ,it again violates the above said rule ,and actually future event prophesied in any prophecy has some uncertainty ,which is one of the reasons that it has to be detoured ;third ,there is no such doctrine as reincarnation in Christian although the return of Jesus Christ is for sure a reincarnation.

So ,the problem is how to wait for so long .Reincarnation is not only a doctrine ,it is actually a natural phenomenon that has not yet been fully understood by recognized by human science .But the question and problem of how to wait for such a long time is still not answered nor solved because if everyone could be reincarnated successfully and undoubtedly ,there would be no need for Jesus Christ to remind us in particular to wait upon his return.

Here reincarnation is not the focus of our topic ,we assume reincarnation as a prerequisite for being able to wait.

The point is that although human beings could be reincarnated  as humans for many lives ,many of the them  may lose the chance to be reincarnated as a human when their standard of morality is not as high as that of a human being ,or is lower than human being ,or not up to the human being’s moral standard because of the karma and sin that had been accumulated in his life time and all his previous lives.
In case of which ,a human being may be incarnated into an animal ,or a plant ,or a stone ,or be kept in hell or purgatory, so when Jesus Christ returns, someone may not be here as a human being ,that’s the point why Jesus Christ told the multitudes to wait upon his return ,Be a good man always ,and do not kill ,do not sin ,do not lose your chance to be reincarnated as a human being ,so that you would not be absent in human world when Jesus Christ returns .And do not be an Atheist when I return ,since if you were one at the time of Christ return ,you would no more believe in him and would not listen to him any more even if he returns .It will be pointless for Christ to return when the majority of multitudes on earth have become atheists.

So the question is half answered ,but problem remains unsolved since many people will lose the chance to be a human any more ,and by the time Jesus Christ returns, they will not be available to witness it.

What to be done? And this is the main point about how to wait .It also answers the question of whence the evil.

In the human world, there are good and bad ,which includes everything .In the upper level of realms ,there are Deities and Demons .which we know as Satan .Satan is one of the demons .The demons do all the bad things, but they can not do whatever they want ,they act and behave according to certain rules.

We know in human world there are many evils ,such as :wars ,famines ,pestilences ,diseases ,floods ,droughts ,earthquakes ,tsunamis ,volcano explosions ,human atrocities and slaughtering and massacre ,terrorists attacking ,etc ,and  all kind of sufferings.

There are some people attribute all these evils to God or Deities, this is definitely not correct.

The cosmos need a kind of equilibrium between good and bad ,nice and evil ,Deities and demons .The demons are the executors of all kinds of evil things  to keep the cosmos equilibrium.

Secular People think that there is nothing wrong in pursuit of a secular happy life ,to have sex just for fun ,to kill animal for eating the meat ,to kill people for their own political or economical benefits,  to be jealous of others ,all these deeds may not be up to the standards set up for humans by Deities, and thus too much sins and karma have been accumulated and built up .Then here comes Demon to perform his function .They will arrange various kinds of evil things to happen in human world .Many people will be slaughtered ,massacred
In the various evil events .Demons are not Deities ,although they power that is much transcending humans’ ,we can condemn them for all the evil arrangements, but we can not stop them from doing so because their power transcends ours..But human beings have to be held responsible for most of the evil things because demons do not do the killings by themselves in any war, they just manipulated human being themselves ,let them do the killings .

In my previous postings I had mentioned that human beings were created with half evil nature and half good nature .That is why human beings can be easily manipulated by the demons to start wars to kill.

We human being must condemn all kinds of wars ,killings ,slaughtering and massacring .

But one of the consequences  of killings and disasters ,much beyond our imagination, is that people have got rid of their karma and sins,and they will acquire the chances to be back to be a human being again ,and thus he will be present and will be able to witness the return of Jesus Christ.

That is what it takes for a human being to be able to wait and how to wait ,and what is implied in the Bible for waiting.
It also answers the question of whence the evil in human world.

Of course ,all the events had been arranged for the return of Messiah. Even if it were not for the coming of Messiah ,all the arrangements will still be somewhat the same .

Here is the original post at Sam Harris forum http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/ (http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/) Where Armageddon2012 goes under the user name Armageddon and the final Salvation

Here is the full post. Please note it appears truncated at the end. This is a s it appears at Sam Harris site. I assume that means it was a copy pasta there and there is a post word limit that cut the post short.

QuoteRise Up To The Challenge of Epicurus: Whence The Evil?

  â€"A Public Letter To Mr. Dr.Stephen William Hawkin ,Dr.Sam Harris as well As All The Atheists In Our Human History
  â€"A Dialogue Among Muslims ,Christians and Buddhists

Dear Dr.Stephen William Hawkin,
    Dr.Sam Harris,

I’m a Chinese man whom you do not know .The reason that I am about to write a series of open letters to you is nothing personal .It is simply because both of you are atheists as well as a world renowned scientist or scholar,and I’m a theist. So by writing to you I’m rising up to the atheistic challenge posed by the atheists ,skeptics ,agnostics and antichrists to theism since over 2200 years ago from Epicurus in ancient Greece times ,and Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche , Karl Marx and ,and Charles Darwin (who was no an atheist,but whose theory provided theoretical support to Atheits) in 19th century , and you, Dr.Stephen William Hawkin and Dr.Sam Harris, as the prominent contemporaries of all those figures mentioned above ,and the most extraordinary figures and scientists of our times ,which means that I’m writing to the figures up in the history and down to present time .This is why I chose you to write to .

There is another reason that I have opted to write to you, of which I must be honest and frank to say that it is because time is so short before the final salvation ,as mentioned in many prophecies, and it is so urgent that I need your fame ,prominence and popularity to attract the attention of the whole world to focus on the urgent matter as 2012 is drawing near so soon.

In page 6 of the Book with the title of “Problem of Unbelief ” ,By Wayne Jackson ,which is a part of the Series of “Fortify Your Faith”,

the writer wrote that:

The problem of pain and suffering in all ages ,has stood as a paramount challenge in the thinking of men .The challenge the age-old problem presents is expressed in these words :“the dilemma of Epicurus is still with us ,if God wishes to prevent evil but cannot,then he is impotent ;if he could ,but will not ,he is malevolent ;if he has both the power and the will ,whence the evil?”

(Harrison,1960,505).

Since Epicurus was living at the time when Jesus Christ had not descended onto earth yet ,and he did not witness what would have evolved into the world history of two world wars and the over 2000 years of human history ,if he lives at our age, the list of his dilemmas will go on .Such as: If there is the God ,why there is the development of empirical science that either has not proved the existence of God ,or has never been able to and hence result in the wide spread of atheists and agnostics ? If God is omnipotent , why there are atheists ,skeptics ,agnostics and Antichrists on the earth that was supposed to be created by Him ,and all those have somewhat the tendency to be against Him ,and so what does it mean that the Omnipotent God even had created something against Himself and why he had done so?

This issue of Dilemma of Epicurus has haunted us humans for over 2200 years ever since Epicurus put it out in ancient Greece .I was an atheist before the age of 36,and grew up in a country of atheism ,China ,educated and instilled with a lot crap of atheist and communist theories .But I was lucky to be converted into a Theist at the age of 36 when I had the fortune to read a great Book by the Greatest Supreme Deity.

This dilemma seems to be a challenge to everyone who has faith in their Deity .But actually not ,such dilemma does not exist to me and to all Buddhists .Let me explain to you how and why .But still I believe this is the challenge that I must face ,and to rise up to the challenge ,and to give my own answer to it. Here are my answers to the challenge.

There are a lot of evils in human world ,let’s tackle the following ones:

War VS peace ,Terrorism/violence VS non-violence and disease VS health ,hatred VS mercy/tolerance among humans with different religion background.

First ,War VS Peace and Terrorism/violence VS Non-violence:

Where is the position of humans’ world in the universe? In my opinion the position is somewhere or half way between Deity’s and Demon’s worlds,it also means that we are so created to be with some quality of Deity and some quality of Demons,that we humans have many good virtues,such as kindess,compassion,integrity,love,fortitude,tolerance etc ,but we also have some evil qualities,such

as brutal atrocity,inhumanity and cruelty,the impulse for slaughtering,avarice and miserliness,the desire to rule all others and

the world,the pursuit for happiness regardless of the happiness of others which is selfish.This is the truth,the evidence ,the facts

and the human reality that we all humans know as humans,but there is something that we are still not aware of,which is,that we humans are particularly created to be so, so that if we eradicate and relinquish the half of the evil quality,we will become Deity,and become immortal,and so that if we eradicate and relinquish the half of the divine quality, we will become demons and devils.

We humans have always wondered where we come from and where we are off to,well,let me be frank with you,that we all originally come from divine worlds, ( please note that I use plural form for the divine “worlds”,which means different races are from different

divine worlds,Europeans,Africans and Asians have different divine worlds,and by the way,that is why marriage between different

races are forbidden by the Deity of each of our own,because in case of aforementioned sublimation,the off-spring of the mixed marriage have no divine world to go to,but since this has become a far ranging issue,some adjustments have been made to tackle it,which does not mean the encouraging of such marriage. although some of us may have had been to hell,for the retribution of their sins and karma,they were given the second chance to be a human,for sure,originally we all came from some divine worlds).

AS for where we are off to,it all depends on the choices we have made and will make,and what we have done and will do in our lives.For sure there are those who were sent to eternal hell,that those who will never be given the second chance to be back to human world again,those who had committed antichrist felony.And there are those who are still committing such felony at present time.

Well,it is somewhat off the track of our subject of war VS peace.Let us come back to the subject.

Actually such aforementioned evil qualities of our humans have been made into our human nature.When it comes to human nature,everyone knows that there is nothing we can do to change the human nature.Well,I agree with that because as an individual of human being,I know there is nothing I can do to change it,no one is beswtowed with such power to change the human nature,as the Human nature seems to be part of the nature of natural universe.

Is that true? No,definitely that is not true.Human beings can not change their nature ,but Deities can,the creators who have created them can. Actually such foundations have been laid at the time of creating humans,in the human somatic body and spirit,soul and mind,in the rules,and natural laws, just like that of a computer slots,many potential functions are being designed for future expanding.This is why humans have religions,but in the early ages of human history,this point had never been made clear,humans are given the religion that they are supposed to have faith in,but were never told why.Now I’m telling the truth that I have been enlightened,I think this is my committment to share with all men present on earth of my enlightened thoughts.

We call computer the hardware ,and the platforms to execute our orders the software.Well,the somatic flesh body of our humans are the subjective hardware, and the earth,the space and the universe that we dwell in are the obejective hardware,the religion,and civilization and the culture are the platforms of the software,on which we will place many other functional softwares.With this metaphor,it is easy to understand that humans can be upgraded like that of software,what is much better for us humans than the computer is that,even the hardware of humans can be upgraded.

So the upgrading of the software and hardware of us humans is called the process of cultivation and following up their Deity and having faith in their religion.

Since we are on the subject of War and Peace,I’d like to say a few words more ,which are off the track of our subject.

Since the human nature that had driven us humans into thousands of wars in the history of mankind has never been changed ,for sure

there will be more wars to come .But the point is ,we humans may not have enough time to have the next war before the Final Salvation.

Human beings have the yearn for peace for many centuries, but have never gotten rid of the plague ,the blight and nightmare of war ever since debut of humans on earth and up to the present time .For sure war is evil to humans.We have to say that it is the human nature that makes the yearn for peace always stay in vain.We assume that all men are peace loving and no one,loves to have wars,no one will have war for war,they have wars to have something else that they can not get through normal means.I do not imply that in order to evade wars,people should give whatever the war ciminals wanted,the policy of pacification had been proved wrong in the World War II history because the war criminals’ avarice were never satisfied.

On the one hand,the majority of human beings wish to evade wars,on the hand,no one
wish to be bullied,and want to bullying on all thers,which is part of our human nature.We can not evade wars simply because we can not change our belligerent nature of us humans .But there are other ways to evade wars, which has been proved effective in human history ,that is we can change the rules.

The debut of democracy in human history is a very good paradigm of changing the rules of seeking political power ,before which,the rules were that the defeated ones will be ruled ,and he who has defeated all others will rule.

Well ,Deities not only created us humans and the universe ,they also set rules for us,but they also gave us the choices to change the rules if we are not able to change our nature and when it comes to a proper time for changing the rules.


That is what has happened in mankind history,only we need to fully realize the significance of the debut of democracy.

Democracy has been proved effective in evading domestic wars,but for international wars,upto now,the rules set for us humans by the Deities are still governing.There is no signs of recent changing of the rules because the proper time has not come yet.But believe me,it will eventually come.

In this sense,we can say that the democratic countries have walked out of the first phase of human history,while those countries,like China,North Korea,Vietnam,and Cuba ,the so called-communist countries,have not yet walked out of the first phase of human history.The political stability of their country has to be maintained by high political pressure and means of force and violence.If maintaining of the political power has to be by force and violence,what do you think of the efforts to seek it? well,believe me,it won’t be sought by means of civilization and cultural drama,only it is covered and manipulated in a black political box,with the deals and exchanges of political and economical interests with a full load of political craps,which are always ass-licked as the Marxism and communist theory.But,there is a reason for that,which is beyond our knowledge.

Well,there is nothing for the democratic countries to worry about,sooner or later,they will collapse from inside as they are doomed to .

We can neither place our hope of eradicating international wars on the changing of human nature,simply because th

All the posts are originally by me.
What's your point,tank?

What branch of Buddhism do you belong to?

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"All the posts are originally by me.
What's your point,tank?

You don't go back and edit a post that you have already made so that all the post replying to your original post are rendered meaningless. Do you understand?

Armageddon please don't take this the wrong way but I doubt I am alone in thinking that you are not firing on all cylinders.
Do you have a history of mental illness, have you been under extreme stress lately, have you been having feelings of paranoia or have you been hearing voices?
If yes to any of the above, then I seriously think you should see a doctor.

I have cancelled from here:http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/

Quote from: "Stevil"Armageddon please don't take this the wrong way but I doubt I am alone in thinking that you are not firing on all cylinders.
Do you have a history of mental illness, have you been under extreme stress lately, have you been having feelings of paranoia or have you been hearing voices?
If yes to any of the above, then I seriously think you should see a doctor.

none of these,thanks for asking.Everything is fine.

no headaches, dizzy spells, memory loss?

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I have cancelled from here:http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/

Good thing I kept a copy here then isn't it for all search engines to find in perpetuity!  

I'm a Buddhist,doing some research on Christian as a profession since there are some un-answered questions,which I want to make a try by myself.As why there are some many teorrists in our times,and I want to try to put an end to that.Because when Jesus Christ said " when someone slap yr right face,yu should give your left face" ( not exactly original sentence,the general meaning),it means that revenge and retaliation is something that will be taken care of by Deities in case you were hurt,the one who hurt you will give you soemthing in return as a reward to you and there will be a retribution to him". This is what Jesus Christ meant.I doubt that for over 2000 years this has not been correctly understood .

I wonder if I had come to a wrong  place,I assume everyone is civilized,but it seems that I had been wrong.

Quote from: "Tank"

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I have cancelled from here:http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/

Good thing I kept a copy here then isn't it for all search engines to find in perpetuity!  

This is part of the content of the book that I'm writing.There will be a legal issue of copy rights.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I'm a Buddhist,doing some research on Christian as a profession since there are some un-answered questions,which I want to make a try by myself.As why there are some many teorrists in our times,and I want to try to put an end to that.Because when Jesus Christ said " when someone slap yr right face,yu should give your left face" ( not exactly original sentence,the general meaning),it means that revenge and retaliation is something that will be taken care of by Deities in case you were hurt,the one who hurt you will give you soemthing in return as a reward to you and there will be a retribution to him". This is what Jesus Christ meant.I doubt that for over 2000 years this has not been correctly understood .

I wonder if I had come to a wrong  place,I assume everyone is civilized,but it seems that I had been wrong.

I think you have come to the wrong place if you intend to behave disingenuously, arrogantly and officiously. Now we may be having a huge cultural clash here but you're attitude appeares appallingly bad, preachy, dogmatic, sly and guilesome. Completely untrustworthy.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I have cancelled from here:http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/

Good thing I kept a copy here then isn't it for all search engines to find in perpetuity!  

This is part of the content of the book that I'm writing.There will be a legal issue of copy rights.

No there won't. You put what you wrote into the public domain. Once it out there you can't retract it. If you read the user agreement at SHRP you will find that by deleting your post your were in violation of their FUA. I also find it utterly amazing that a Chinese person has the gall to mention copy right issues given the way your country rides rough shod over international patent and copy right law all the time!

Go hire a lawyer, he'll piss himself laughing at you.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"

Quote from: "Tank"This is part of the content of the book that I'm writing.There will be a legal issue of copy rights.

No there won't. You put what you wrote into the public domain. Once it out there you can't retract it. If you read the user agreement at SHRP you will find that by deleting your post your were in violation of their FUA. I also find it utterly amazing that a Chinese person has the gall to mention copy right issues given the way your country rides rough shod over international patent and copy right law all the time!

Go hire a lawyer, he'll piss himself laughing at you.

There is an economic recession now in UK,Can anyone blame you for that? No,although you are a British,it has nothing to do with you.
But why you mess it up that I am to be blamed for the country of China? How come you can not think in a rational way?

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"But why you mess it up that I am to be blamed for the country of China? How come you can not think in a rational way?

Quote from: "Armageddon2012".And in the eye of Deities,molecules are clay,very rough and filthy.

That's why Tank can't think right, he's rough and filthy, probably clayish around the edges too but I try not to look.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"This is part of the content of the book that I'm writing.There will be a legal issue of copy rights.

No there won't. You put what you wrote into the public domain. Once it out there you can't retract it. If you read the user agreement at SHRP you will find that by deleting your post your were in violation of their FUA. I also find it utterly amazing that a Chinese person has the gall to mention copy right issues given the way your country rides rough shod over international patent and copy right law all the time!

Go hire a lawyer, he'll piss himself laughing at you.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"There is an economic recession now in UK,Can anyone blame you for that? No,although you are a British,it has nothing to do with you.

Correct. I can't do anything about the UK recession and I am in no way responsible for it.

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"But why you mess it up that I am to be blamed for the country of China? How come you can not think in a rational way?

Fair point. Show me how you have actively attempted to stop copy right theft by the Chinese and I shall roundly applaud you, and my estimation of you as a follow human being will be greatly enhanced. How have you attempted to stop copy right theft in China?

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"But why you mess it up that I am to be blamed for the country of China? How come you can not think in a rational way?

Fair point. Show me how you have actively attempted to stop copy right theft by the Chinese and I shall roundly applaud you, and my estimation of you as a follow human being will be greatly enhanced. How have you attempted to stop copy right theft in China?[/quote]

You better talk with Mr.Cameron about it,see if he can talk our President into any action,Oh,Don't forget the Chinese human right violation and the drug dealing in 1840.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I'm a Buddhist,doing some research on Christian as a profession since there are some un-answered questions,which I want to make a try by myself.As why there are some many teorrists in our times,and I want to try to put an end to that.Because when Jesus Christ said " when someone slap yr right face,yu should give your left face" ( not exactly original sentence,the general meaning),it means that revenge and retaliation is something that will be taken care of by Deities in case you were hurt,the one who hurt you will give you soemthing in return as a reward to you and there will be a retribution to him". This is what Jesus Christ meant.I doubt that for over 2000 years this has not been correctly understood .

I wonder if I had come to a wrong  place,I assume everyone is civilized,but it seems that I had been wrong.

I think you have come to the wrong place if you intend to behave disingenuously, arrogantly and officiously. Now we may be having a huge cultural clash here but you're attitude appeares appallingly bad, preachy, dogmatic, sly and guilesome. Completely untrustworthy.

I usually do not jump to any quick judgement about anyone based a few web postings,because in that case I might be wrong and regret very soon about what I said,even now I do not judge you,you might be a nice guy with a bumpy head  and paunchy belly,but still nice,right?

I might be lacking of necessary experience for online postings because this is the first time I made any postings and converse with people internationally like this.If any of my postings hurt anyone unintentionally,please accept my sincere apology for that.

When Chinese people,who were not raised in an English speaking country,speak English,they were usually regarded rude by European and American and other English speaking people.For example,Chinese people usually say "I want a cup of Coffee" instead of " May I have a cup of coffee?". That's just the cultural difference,becaue that is the way they say it in Chinese.It does not mean he is rude.

UK Government was a drug dealer in 1840,was that less criminal than copy right piracy? It was the government action,not like that the piracy was done by folks.

Quote from: "Stevil"no headaches, dizzy spells, memory loss?

Be a man,Stevil,you were not 8,were you?

OP banned permanently due to comments here as well as via pm that indicate he intends to disrupt the forum by deleting masses of previously posted text..

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Quote from: "Whitney"Warning 1
This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=2&p=96979#p96979 (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&p=96979#p96979) .

Preaching is against the forum rules, if you are not able to support your claims with evidence then you shouldn't be posting at HAF.

ough

OK,thanks for the warning,though I did not agree with it,I had to accept it because it seems there is no other way for me.
I will come back with evidence very soon.

note that instead of accepting this he approached me asking how to delete his account and posts.

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I have cancelled from here:http://www.samharris.org/forum/viewthread/15417/

Good thing I kept a copy here then isn't it for all search engines to find in perpetuity!  

Thanks for finding that tank.  Considering all the legal notices one has to sign before posting to the forum (plus basic common sense) I'm going to about die laughing if he pretends to send me a legal letter from china...like they would even care.

Quote from: "Whitney"OP banned permanently due to comments here as well as via pm that indicate he intends to disrupt the forum by deleting masses of previously posted text..

Bloody well done!

Quote from: "Armageddon2012"I might be lacking of necessary experience for online postings because this is the first time I made any postings and converse with people internationally like this.If any of my postings hurt anyone unintentionally,please accept my sincere apology for that.

Then what you should do in future is find out how things work BEFORE you dive in and start telling every body they have a god looking over their shoulder. Why don't you try again at http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ (http://www.rationalskepticism.org/)

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Quote from: "Armageddon2012"Quote from Legendary :Image  "Something is true because it matches reality, not because some well-regarded person said it." - The Black Jester.


Something can be true just because a Deity said it,and it immediately becomes true when He said it because reality can be produced at the same time when it is being said,such as the creation.

Care to demonstrate this?

Yes,will come to that within about 2 or 3 days.

I guess that means I'll miss the demonstration.

I don't think you were going to get one anyway...but since he likes to cut and paste wait about a week and post some of his text into google; you might be able to go prod him at whatever forum he hits next.

Quote from: "Stevil"What branch of Buddhism do you belong to?

Until this question is answered, I'm going to assume you are a troll.

Quote from: "Tank"Why don't you try again at http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ (http://www.rationalskepticism.org/)

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq301%2Fhackenslash_album%2Fthevil-rubbing-hands.gif&hash=082432627bf65dbf68fb2a1be27d7c7e80509bd1)(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq301%2Fhackenslash_album%2Ficon_twisted.gif&hash=f656ad5788de405cb24adbbb42cac82012c9ccd6)

I won't be nearly as charming there...

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Quote from: "Whitney"OP banned permanently due to comments here as well as via pm that indicate he intends to disrupt the forum by deleting masses of previously posted text..

Bloody well done!

Yeah but... CAN you delete your own post after someone else has posted something below it?

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Quote from: "Whitney"OP banned permanently due to comments here as well as via pm that indicate he intends to disrupt the forum by deleting masses of previously posted text..

Bloody well done!

Yeah but... CAN you delete your own post after someone else has posted something below it?

No.

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Quote from: "Whitney"OP banned permanently due to comments here as well as via pm that indicate he intends to disrupt the forum by deleting masses of previously posted text..

Bloody well done!

Yeah but... CAN you delete your own post after someone else has posted something below it?

you can edit it so it is a blank post.

Sometimes the post edit ability is helpful, like when an OP wants to add additional reference where they are easy to find.  But every now and then there is someone who likes to abuse the privilege.

Quote from: "Whitney"helpful, like when an OP wants to add additional reference where they are easy to find.  But every now and then there is someone who likes to abuse the privilege.

out of topic I know, but in some forums you can't edit your posts after a certain amount of time, like 20mins later

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Quote from: "Whitney"helpful, like when an OP wants to add additional reference where they are easy to find.  But every now and then there is someone who likes to abuse the privilege.

out of topic I know, but in some forums you can't edit your posts after a certain amount of time, like 20mins later

I hate that. Most of the time, I want to edit posts for grammatical or cosmetic reasons, or I just have something extra to say that I didn't think of at the time I wrote the post.

His original post seemed to have a rare theology in it, I tried finding some of what he said using but could not.
I was getting pretty confused, on the one hand his spiels indicated a lack of education on the other hand as I have guessed due to his grasp of English if he was honest about being Chinese in China then his education was quite good, he didn't even make the usual Chinese to English grammar mistakes.
So I figured maybe his theology was confusing him, but then when he started merging "buddhism" and "christianity" I figured it wasn't his theology that was the issue. I reckon either he was a troll or had some mental issues.

I am still not sure which.
If troll then get rid of him quick. If mental issues then I should have been a lot nicer to him. But he certainly was lying when he said he was a buddhist who was doing reacearch on Christian as a proffession. Who would pay this guy to do that?

I can only guess that he was trying to convert us by pretending to have part of his theology/philosophy be Buddhist...I guess?

I don't know. He seems really confusing.

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Quote from: "Tank"Why don't you try again at http://www.rationalskepticism.org/ (http://www.rationalskepticism.org/)

(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq301%2Fhackenslash_album%2Fthevil-rubbing-hands.gif&hash=082432627bf65dbf68fb2a1be27d7c7e80509bd1)(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi139.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fq301%2Fhackenslash_album%2Ficon_twisted.gif&hash=f656ad5788de405cb24adbbb42cac82012c9ccd6)

I won't be nearly as charming there...