Quote from: "Voter"Quote from: "LoneMateria"Sure. We are referring to the apocalypse and specifically Jesus being an apocalyptic preacher. You stated that Paul claims the current age was kept secret by God. In the context of your post this means that the apocalypse will come later and that no one can know when that is. This is a pretty common position by Christians today because every prediction that has ever been made has so far been wrong. The reason I quoted Mark 9:1 is because that was Jesus speaking. In his own view not everyone in his audience will die before the apocalypse happens/kingdom of God comes into power. This was what he supposedly said 2,000 years ago. Still hasn't happened and Paul is trying to find a work around
There's a number of problems with this.
First, Mark 9:1 simply says some will see the kingdom of god. Many take the very next verses - the transfiguration - as fulfilment. Personally I lean toward John and Revelation as fulfilment. There are other passages which would be stronger on your side, but they'll give you other problems.
Next, Paul wasn't "trying to find a work around" unless you admit he's prophetic, as those mentioned in Mark 9:1 and elsewhere hadn't all died yet. Further, you would need a very early date of writing of Mark or a very strong oral tradition, otherwise there's nothing for him to "work around" at the time of writing.
QuoteIn that passage it does not once refer to the Messiah. Do you have another example?
I think the messianic interpetation of Isaiah 53 is best, but that should be pursued in another thread.
Another passage is Zechariah 12:10 and surrounding verses.
So are you going to respond?
Yeah, I'm waiting too. Voter, send him a PM to rustle him up.