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Me and My friend from Turkey have talked oneday about god he has tell me something about god.These words have me impressed:


There are Computer Programs.There are Computer Programmers.Like Windows XP Programs.There are big Programs in the structure of the Cell because people look like their Fathers and Mothers relatives because of the Programs.There is a big Program in the Cell.Who is the Programmer ?It must be exactly god.



 What think you,what can i say to him to refute his idea??????
 PLS HELP ME

Hello anthon

Your friend is a genious, this proof he has offered is irrefutable. There are Computer Programs and there are Computer Programmers and God must be the programmer.

Well done, now lets spread the word.

Oh, just one question, why do so many of these programs have bugs? Are we to blame the programmer or is it the tester's fault? Maybe simply a user error?

Just one more question, sorry to be a pain. Is Bill Gates God's treasurer?

of course no but should i ask him?

Quote from: "anthon"of course no but should i ask him?

Yes please. It is important to know. If he says no then maybe he is God's benefactor instead, although it seems to be a shared role with Larry Ellison, and Steve Jobs as well. Please ask them all and post up the response once you have a response from all of them. Do not underestimate the importance of this. I would also be keen to know who the architect is that is instructing God at the macro level on what needs to be programmed. I'm sure God isn't a cowboy and simply programming without a macro design.

I think we're talking about DNA here.
A life form, be it a potato, or a person is defined by their DNA.
Darwin didn't know of DNA, but Dawkins and his generation of Neo Darwinists do.
When DNA is reproduced mutations sometimes occur, some help the life form who carries it, if so they are more likely to survive and pass this change on to their descendants.  Over millions of years of accumulated change an elephant with it's long trunk evolves. This is because the trunk helps the animal survive, not because god thought it looked cool.

And animals are not perfectly designed, there are many examples of odd things left over from distant descendants.  
When was the last time you used your appendix?  Why are humans so prone to back injury?

So there is no need to put a god into the equation, unless you really need one personaly.

Sorry for being silly, it is the silly season after all, but surely this thread is not serious.

Quote from: "anthon"Me and My friend from Turkey have talked oneday about god he has tell me something about god.These words have me impressed:


There are Computer Programs.There are Computer Programmers.Like Windows XP Programs.There are big Programs in the structure of the Cell because people look like their Fathers and Mothers relatives because of the Programs.There is a big Program in the Cell.Who is the Programmer ?It must be exactly god.



 What think you,what can i say to him to refute his idea??????
 PLS HELP ME

This guy is probably a sock puppet of a previously banned member 'programer', post reported so don't be surprised if this thread ends up binned. Using the forum search for Like Windows XP Programs reveals the potential link.

Comparison fail.

Not unlike comparing atoms to solar systems or constellations of stars to a rash on your ass.

Humans are not like computers at this moment, and when (if) we are, it will be because we create them to be as much as possible like us. The whole comparison is faulty.

Take a good look at some whale's hip bones and call me in the morning.

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Quote from: "anthon"of course no but should i ask him?

Yes please. It is important to know. If he says no then maybe he is God's benefactor instead, although it seems to be a shared role with Larry Ellison, and Steve Jobs as well. Please ask them all and post up the response once you have a response from all of them. Do not underestimate the importance of this. I would also be keen to know who the architect is that is instructing God at the macro level on what needs to be programmed. I'm sure God isn't a cowboy and simply programming without a macro design.

So I have able to meet as a result of long efforts he has said this interesting that I have no heard before :

If there are vireses in the Program we can make another program which rejects vires . These program also indicates a programmer too. The program can’t be produced by itself.


Everybody was  created by God. If you are as clever as Bill Gates you can be a programmer too.


If a robot builds a factory which produces computers or laptops.
This robot indicates an engineer.
Human being is a kind of robot who can produce Computer.


And he has said to me when your friends on the form have any questions they can all ask .

Quote from: "anthon"So I have able to meet as a result of long efforts he has said this interesting that I have no heard before :

Coherency fail.

QuoteIf there are vireses in the Program we can make another program which rejects vires . These program also indicates a programmer too. The program can’t be produced by itself.

...And how do you know you can not have self-producing algorithms given the right conditions..?

QuoteEverybody was  created by God. If you are as clever as Bill Gates you can be a programmer too.

Logic fail, possibly comparison fail.

QuoteIf a robot builds a factory which produces computers or laptops.

...Or cookie jars. You (or "he") started a sentence with an "if", but provided no conclusion... Obviously, YOU... Err... *HE* is not a programmer  

QuoteThis robot indicates an engineer.

No.
 

QuoteHuman being is a kind of robot who can produce Computer.

A human being is an electrochemical computer, yes, if you want to simplify.

QuoteAnd he has said to me when your friends on the form have any questions they can all ask .

OR "he" could very well get "his" butt over here so that we could see if "he" and "you" were possibly in the same IP-range...

QuoteAnd he has said to me when your friends on the form have any questions they can all ask .

OR "he" could very well get "his" butt over here so that we could see if "he" and "you" were possibly in the same IP-range...[/quote]


I call him or meet him when my friend has time i didnt say that he write me ..

Quote from: "anthon"I call him or meet him when my friend has time i didnt say that he write me ..

...And you are not the first person to speak on behalf of his Turkish friend about the same nonsense (It is, by the way, nonsense because the comparison of humans to computers is flawed.)

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Quote from: "anthon"If a robot builds a factory which produces computers or laptops.

...Or cookie jars. You (or "he") started a sentence with an "if", but provided no conclusion... Obviously, YOU... Err... *HE* is not a programmer  :)
A christmas present for Asmo, Anthon is a generous chap, but how come he uses a Darwin avatar but seems to lack a ten year olds understanding of evolution?

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Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "anthon"If a robot builds a factory which produces computers or laptops.

...Or cookie jars. You (or "he") started a sentence with an "if", but provided no conclusion... Obviously, YOU... Err... *HE* is not a programmer  :)
A christmas present for Asmo, Anthon is a generous chap, but how come he uses a Darwin avatar but seems to lack a ten year olds understanding of evolution?

I'm confused... so i would take help here to ask my friend  logical  questions to disprove his proof but i cant it is all logical that he said..

Quote from: "anthon"There is a big Program in the Cell.Who is the Programmer ?It must be exactly god.

The program is DNA, the programmer is death, (or survival, but death sounds better) if god was involved I would expect perfection, or does he over sell and under deliver?

If an omnipotent designer creates a life form it should display perfection.
Many animals are "designed" like a ramshackle old house, 400 years old.  Bits have been added on, old bits not totally removed.  A computer programmer will ditch bad code, not continue to build on it.  Should we expect less from god?

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Quote from: "anthon"There is a big Program in the Cell.Who is the Programmer ?It must be exactly god.

The program is DNA, the programmer is death, (or survival, but death sounds better) if god was involved I would expect perfection, or does he over sell and under deliver?

If an omnipotent designer creates a life form it should display perfection.
Many animals are "designed" like a ramshackle old house, 400 years old.  Bits have been added on, old bits not totally removed.  A computer programmer will ditch bad code, not continue to build on it.  Should we expect less from god?

People are like actors at the stage.
Everyone must have different roles to play at the stage.
Roles are not important but acting or playing at the stage is important the best after at the stage
to be the best actor is important a person can be a dustman at the stage , he can be the best actor . Another one can
be a governor but he can be an ordinary actor. The dustman  will be paid the most money .
If God created everybody perfectly they wouldnt be able to show their talents at the stage.

if(anthon==sockpuppet){
     banHammer;
}
else languageCourse;

Does your brain turn that into something constructive..? Suppose not. Brains are, after all, not programmed in C... Or Java... Or Assembly... Or any other language written by a (group of) programmer(s)... Or any language we can identify as the programming language. So what makes you think the brain was "prograsmmed" by someone..? Err... I mean your friend... What makes *HIM* think that..?  

Quote from: "anthon"If God created everybody perfectly they wouldnt be able to show their talents at the stage.

Or their agony in the cancer ward.
All hail the almighty smighter.

Quote from: "anthon"People are like actors at the stage.

No. Actors get PAID for acting. Why must you come up with so many half-assed comparisons..? "Life is a play and we but players sucked in it"... Sounds deep, does it..? Well, it's not. It's all backwards for starters. Life is not the result of acting. Acting is the result of life.

QuoteEveryone must have different roles to play at the stage.

No. Many actors can have the same role.

QuoteRoles are not important but acting or playing at the stage is important the best after at the stage

Coherence fail. Suspected additional logic fail.

Quoteto be the best actor is important a person can be a dustman at the stage , he can be the best actor .

To be a good actor, you need the ability to be someone you are not, possibly someone radically different to who you are, on demand.

QuoteAnother one can be a governor but he can be an ordinary actor.

...Which is why in stead of acting, he's getting fat being a governor. Wise choice.

QuoteThe dustman  will be paid the most money .

Compared to whom..? Massive and persistent coherence fail which is getting tough to decipher

QuoteIf God created everybody perfectly they wouldnt be able to show their talents at the stage.

Oh no! Someone call IXII!  

What about people who don't care to show off their "talents" on a "stage"..?

Quote from: "Asmodean"if(anthon==sockpuppet){
     banHammer;
}
else languageCourse;

Does your brain turn that into something constructive..? Suppose not. Brains are, after all, not programmed in C... Or Java... Or Assembly... Or any other language written by a (group of) programmer(s)... Or any language we can identify as the programming language. So what makes you think the brain was "prograsmmed" by someone..? Err... I mean your friend... What makes *HIM* think that..?  

The cats can not do the same things as people can  because their brain programs are different from each others.
Both cats and people's programs are different .

Quote from: "anthon"The cats can not do the same things as people can  because their brain programs are different from each others.
Both cats and people's programs are different .

I challenge you to prove that a given house cat A's programming is different from that of a given housecat B.

Known details: A and B are both black and white one-year-old male cats who have been treated in a very similar way by their caretakers.

That said, I challenge you to prove that my brain is programmed using a programming language by a programmer or a group of programmers. Acceptable proof is isolating and enterpreting the language in question and finding the credits in its header.

EDIT: Oh! And have I complimented your friend, who apparently doesn't write to you, on the speediness of his responses..? Must cost a fortune in telephone bills...  

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"

Quote from: "anthon"If God created everybody perfectly they wouldnt be able to show their talents at the stage.

Or their agony in the cancer ward.
All hail the almighty smighter.

Life is a kind of exam. This earth is not a paradise. Our vages will be paid in the paradise.
There can be a patient who is suffering from the cancer at the stage .

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "anthon"The cats can not do the same things as people can  because their brain programs are different from each others.
Both cats and people's programs are different .

I challenge you to prove that a given house cat A's programming is different from that of a given housecat B.

Known details: A and B are both black and white one-year-old male cats who have been treated in a very similar way by their caretakers.

That said, I challenge you to prove that my brain is programmed using a programming language by a programmer or a group of programmers. Acceptable proof is isolating and enterpreting the language in question and finding the credits in its header.

EDIT: Oh! And have I complimented your friend, who apparently doesn't write to you, on the speediness of his responses..? Must cost a fortune in telephone bills...  

I like sacrifice my money for the people , i like to help people.
Its normal , white cats and housecats conditions are different its normal their behaviors can be different too .
You accepted there is a programm  in the brain who is the programmer?

Quote from: "anthon"Life is a kind of exam. This earth is not a paradise. Our vages will be paid in the paradise.
There can be a patient who is suffering from the cancer at the stage .

So you are obviously a resident of some fantasy land or other, you come here asking for help to correct your fellow believer.
I think you are dishonest.
God is a creation of the weak and ignorant, or was it created by the wiley and manipulative to enslave the weak and ignorant?
You may be a manipulator or a victim, either way it's not my problem.
Go in peace or a shroud of lies, whatever fits.

Quote from: "anthon"Life is a kind of exam. This earth is not a paradise. Our vages will be paid in the paradise.
There can be a patient who is suffering from the cancer at the stage .

Friend from Turkey is now sitting in your lap answering for you, yes..? Multiple personality disorder. I smell that.  

How do you know that you can graduate from life into something other than non-existence? How do you know you get paid there? In what currency? How much will the cancer patient get for his cancer..? Is cancer more profitable than cystic fibrosis..? By what margin?

Quote from: "anthon"I like sacrifice my money for the people , i like to help people.
Its normal , white cats and housecats conditions are different its normal their behaviors can be different too .
You accepted there is a programm  in the brain who is the programmer?

Mods, you may warn me for this later.  :verysad:

You know what... Re-READ what I wrote. Use an interpretor if you need to. Apparently, you managed to misread pretty much everything I said.

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"

Quote from: "anthon"Life is a kind of exam. This earth is not a paradise. Our vages will be paid in the paradise.
There can be a patient who is suffering from the cancer at the stage .

So you are obviously a resident of some fantasy land or other, you come here asking for help to correct your fellow believer.
I think you are dishonest.
God is a creation of the weak and ignorant, or was it created by the wiley and manipulative to enslave the weak and ignorant?
You may be a manipulator or a victim, either way it's not my problem.
Go in peace or a shroud of lies, whatever fits.

I wrote what my friend has said me my vocabulary is poor . I am a German and go to school at turkey to a High School .
So if you know german i will explain it better. Actually i dont want to believe to what he said so that is why i am here asking
for help to correct . And i am not advocating my friend...

Quote from: "anthon"I wrote what my friend has said me my vocabulary is poor .

Your English is terrible for a German of high school age.

QuoteI am a German and go to school at turkey to a High School .

You are German. Yet you are at school in TURKEY..?  :raised:

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "anthon"I wrote what my friend has said me my vocabulary is poor .

Your English is terrible for a German of high school age.

QuoteI am a German and go to school at turkey to a High School .

You are German. Yet you are at school in TURKEY..?  :raised:

Gut das zu wissen dass du ein "bisschen" deutsch kannst, gut  das du dein Fehler eingesehen hast ;)
We are just discusting. Also nicht das thema wechseln dass wir hier besprechen

Quote from: "anthon"Gut das zu wissen dass du ein "bisschen" deutsch kannst, gut  das du dein Fehler eingesehen hast ;)
We are just discusting. Also nicht das thema wechseln dass wir hier besprechen :P

EDIT: Ich habe meine Zweifel, das du ein Deutscher bist, aber es ist ein möglichkeit. Spricht zu mir, welche Sprache du wirdt.

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "anthon"Gut das zu wissen dass du ein "bisschen" deutsch kannst, gut  das du dein Fehler eingesehen hast ;)
We are just discusting. Also nicht das thema wechseln dass wir hier besprechen :P

Es kann sein dass du mit deinem "bisschen" deutsch , mich ein "bisschen"  verstehen kanns

Quote from: "anthon"Es kann sein dass du mit deinem "bisschen" deutsch , mich ein "bisschen"  verstehen kanns

Mein "bisschen" und dein "bisschen" kønnen sehr ungleich sein.

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "anthon"Es kann sein dass du mit deinem "bisschen" deutsch , mich ein "bisschen"  verstehen kanns :)

Quote from: "anthon"Okay das ist jetzt eigentlich egal ob du gut deutsch kannst oder nicht, hauptsach du verstehst was wir hier schreiben .

Ab und zu, habe ich ein Problem, deine englischer zu verstehen.

No matter though. Maybe you are a German after all... Although most Germans would have disputed one specific "point" I've made earlier... For two reasons.

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "anthon"Okay das ist jetzt eigentlich egal ob du gut deutsch kannst oder nicht, hauptsach du verstehst was wir hier schreiben .

Ab und zu, habe ich ein Problem, deine englischer zu verstehen.

No matter though. Maybe you are a German after all... Although most Germans would have disputed one specific "point" I've made earlier... For two reasons.

Okey .  I will ask more questions to my friend , what should i ask him have you got any ideas ?

Quote from: "anthon"Okey .  I will ask more questions to my friend , what should i ask him have you got any ideas ?

He can start by providing evidence that a human is actually programmed. Isolating the programming language would be a good start.

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote from: "anthon"Okey .  I will ask more questions to my friend , what should i ask him have you got any ideas ?

He can start by providing evidence that a human is actually programmed. Isolating the programming language would be a good start.

Yes thats a good idea ! I will tell him these .

Quote from: "anthon"Yes thats a good idea ! I will tell him these .

...After which he can address every other issue raised in this thread that remains unaddressed.

Wow. This is a worthless, yet somehow entertaining thread.

Hard to take this guy seriously. Keep up the Pwnage Asmodean.

Well, we have very good evidence that humans can develop computers and programming. But we have no good evidence that some god made humans.

What does that, Anthon, tell you?

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Quote from: "Stevil"

Quote from: "anthon"of course no but should i ask him?

Yes please. It is important to know. If he says no then maybe he is God's benefactor instead, although it seems to be a shared role with Larry Ellison, and Steve Jobs as well. Please ask them all and post up the response once you have a response from all of them. Do not underestimate the importance of this. I would also be keen to know who the architect is that is instructing God at the macro level on what needs to be programmed. I'm sure God isn't a cowboy and simply programming without a macro design.

So I have able to meet as a result of long efforts

I am surprised you were able to get hold of him on Christmas day. Please tell me what Santa brought for him.

http://oolon.awardspace.com/SMOGGM.htm (http://oolon.awardspace.com/SMOGGM.htm)

QuoteSpider penises

They don't have them. Now, internal fertilisation of egg by sperm seems to be a Good Idea: it is an effective way to ensure that the gametes meet. This can be accomplished by the female squatting over a sperm packet; that is how some mites do it. But more obviously and, one might think, sensibly, males often have a penis -- a structure to deliver the sperm.

A male spider delivers his sperm with his pedipalps. These appendages are located on his head (and are considered by evolutionists to be modified mouthparts). But inconveniently for the spider, the pedipalps are not connected to the part of the body where the sperm is made (spider gonads are, unsurprisingly, located in the abdomen).

So before copulating, the male deposits his sperm onto a small web he has spun especially for this purpose. He then siphons the sperm up into the pedipalps, like "drawing ink into a fountain pen" as Olivia Judson has described it. Only once his pedipalps are thus primed can he inseminate his mate.

Surely having the gonads connected to the pedipalps... or a penis-type arrangement located, well, anywhere the designer felt like, really... would be a simpler and more economical design...?

Heaps more of God's greatest mistakes at that site.
Anyone serious about this could try reading Climbing Mount Improbable by Richard Dawkins.

Quote from: "anthon"Me and My friend from Turkey have talked oneday about god he has tell me something about god.These words have me impressed:


There are Computer Programs.There are Computer Programmers.Like Windows XP Programs.There are big Programs in the structure of the Cell because people look like their Fathers and Mothers relatives because of the Programs.There is a big Program in the Cell.Who is the Programmer ?It must be exactly god.



 What think you,what can i say to him to refute his idea??????
 PLS HELP ME

I must admit that this argument is in a brilliant structure, with this you can win any argument, your audience will be left in stunned silence, guaranteed.

Let me try

There are Paintings. There are Painters. Like the Mona Lisa. There are big Paintings in the structure of the Grass because lawns all looks like their Fathers and Mothers relatives because of the Paintings. There is a big Painting in the Grass. Who is the Painter ?It must be exactly the Irish leprechaun.

What think you,what can be said to refute his idea??????

I have asked my friend all these questions. He had told me an answer that should answer all the questions, he had told these:

Human being is a kind of Robot. Humans went to the moon and landed on the moon.
People made Computers, Planes, Cars, TV Systems. All the technology was made by People.

All the new inventions were done by human beings. If a Robot goes and lands on the moon.
This Robot exactly indicates an engineer.

If a Robot makes all the Computers and TV Systems . This Robot indicated a high level of technology. If a Robot goes to the Market buys Vegetables other things and comes back to the House. This Robot indicates an engineer  a high level of scientific developments. If a Robot makes XP programme. This Robot can’t be a simple one.

Enzymes and DNA don’t have any mind and knowledge how can they make living things?
Non living things can’t make living things (oxygen , nitrogen , hydrogen  and carbon )
Don’t have any mind any information about creating a Person .
They are blind and lame. They can’t make perfect things.
You are more clever than nonliving things.
Can you make a Robot which can make a computer and a plane .
Which can fly the Planes and take the passengers to the USA .
It ‘s impossible . But a Person can take them to the USA.
If  Robot  manage these things this Robot can’t be simple .
It indicates its technology and engineer.

If it possible for a Robot to make a laptop ? It’s impossible . Perhaps in the future it can be possible , step by step , not now. A simple Robot which can go up stairs and come down stairs  Asimo . Asimo has 35 engineers . If Asimo is X . A Robot which produces computers and cars is billions X . If X indicates its engineer once , billion X indicates its engineer billion times…

Double posted. You have already put this in another thread.

That said, if THAT guy managed to impress you... Then you must be very impressionable indeed. That answer was, overall, drivel. Uneducated drivel, at that...

Quote from: "anthon"I have asked my friend all these questions. He had told me an answer that should answer all the questions, he had told these:

The answer does not help at all. The answer is not an answer that works at all. The answer is wishful thinking.

Bill Gates had some excuse for XP not being perfect, catering to legacy devices and programs wasn't easy.
I expect more from a creator god though, I shouldn't get appendicitis because I carry the legacy of some herbivore ancestor.
Why didn't god's ultimate creation warrant a new design?

And how about Autoimmune diseases?
Shouldn't god be able to write his code to avoid conflicts?
Bill at least had some excuse, having to deal with aberrant software, god only has to allow for his own creations.

If 3 apples should fall from a tree by the natural blow of the wind to create a straight line of 3 apples on the ground, was the straight line programmed or simply a product of emergence of order from a chaotic system? Programs are simply arrangements of information to which is nothing more than patterns of matter and energy regardless of how complex they may become (this includes consciousness). A river flowing that produces patterns of waves did not require programming by some intelligent being to produce said real time evolving wave patterns. And there is a funny problem to your argument in that who (under your logic) programmed said deity? Who designed and created consciousness, information, or knowledge when such things are impossible to create when they are directly reliant on them for their own existence, or to even know of their own existence. Minds are not creators, they are at best processors and manipulators of preexisting information, material, substance, or reality to which they are equally slave to and bound to.

Just to be clear, information is nothing more than patterns of energy and matter. Information can be anything, and then claimed by some crazy theist as having to have been only the work of some magical creator. This is at best a failure by the poster of the op to understand what information is, and what basic programming concepts are. Though they seem very well trained in brainwashing and subliminal programming to manipulate ignorant or vulnerable people into their skewed ideological constructs. Very pathetic and dishonest tactics based on heavily flawed arguments.

Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

Quote from: "anthon"Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

Prove this.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"

Quote from: "anthon"Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

Prove this.

My friend said:
There is a program in the structure of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

Quote from: "anthon"My friend said:
There is a program in the structure of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

That's your proof? I find it extremely lacking and unable to support your claims.

Quote from: "anthon"My friend said:
There is a program in the structur of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

Anthon, you are going nowhere fast. Right now you are acting like nothing more than a bad troll and your posts are virtually meaningless.
Board warning issued for trolling.

Quote from: "anthon"Human being is a kind of Robot. Humans went to the moon and landed on the moon.
People made Computers, Planes, Cars, TV Systems. All the technology was made by People.

All the new inventions were done by human beings. If a Robot goes and lands on the moon.
This Robot exactly indicates an engineer.

This is a bad analogy.

What you're saying here is like saying, "This rock is a kind of paperweight. Paperweights keep my papers from blowing away and they look cool. Commercially sold paperweights are made in factories, therefore this rock was also made in a factory."

Humans are to robots as rocks are to crafted paperweights.

Humans made paperweights.
What made the rock? Natural geological processes.

Humans engineered robots.
What engineered humans? Natural selection.

Quote from: "anthon"My friend said:
There is a program in the structure of the cell,because a son looks like his father or his mother , these indicates a program. If there is a program there must be a programmer who is the programmer in the cell??
These is the prove !

These is the prove, I love it, we should make a trophy and call it "The Prove"
It should only be awarded in special cases though, it shouldn't be cheapened.
Armageddon2012 seems like a likely contender.

Maybe something like this?
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Quote from: "anthon"As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.

Ok... I'll play some more.

Gravity is a crappy analogy to programming, but yes, gravity is a testable, verifiable force.

QuoteThere is a program.

Nope. Gravity is utterly mindless.

QuoteCats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.

Incorrect.

QuoteThey can’t work.

Coherence fail.

QuoteIf a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.

Coherence fail. However, if a computer was to perform any operation, it would need programming, yes.

QuoteHuman being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Knowledge and skill. Not pre-written programming.

QuoteGod created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.

Incoherent bullshit.

QuoteWe need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.

No. We can do without as a specie. Those professionals and kinds of vehicles (speak of lumping...) do, however increase the standard of living.

QuoteIf we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.

Bullshit. We were just right for climbing trees in Africa, but then we spread like a f**king virus to areas we were not adapted to. And like a virus changing its protein coating, we morphed our environments to suit our needs and support our increasing numbers.

QuoteIf the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam.

Yeah... And..?

QuoteStudents must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.

Prove god. Prove that god can compare to a teacher. Prove that life can compare to an exam.

QuoteIf every thing is done perfectly what is our job?

We can sell crap to each other.

QuoteThere are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.

Windows 7.

QuoteThis also shows us better programmers. It is normal.

LOLWHUT?! That is NOT what it shows.

QuoteFor example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.

...And is the Antivirus programmer better than the kid who writes malicious scripts..? How..?

QuoteWe can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.

No, I can see my remote... And the TV. If you can't see yours, go buy one because you don't have one. You can't be blind since you are posting here, can you..?

QuoteYou can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV.

Oh, THAT! Well, you can convert the infrared to shorter wavelength and stick it in the visible range.

QuoteIn the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.

If you believe that, you are either on an intellectual level of a five year old or just need meds. Those "people" and "sounds" are basically "light". They are wave signals getting interpreted and converted by recievers. They are neither sounds nor people. (They can also be digital bt-wire. In that case, they are even less sounds)

QuoteA person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.

Again, NO. Do I have to break down for you why a book-writing robot you use as example does NOT indicate a programmer..?

QuoteSo we believe a programmer who created every living things.

No, "we" do not.

Quote from: "anthon"Sorry,that i was late to write the answer that my friend writed. He have write these :
 
First Questions Answer:

As you mentioned, water flows towards down not up. Apples drop down,
Because of gravitation, gravitation causes them to drop down (on the ground)
There is a rule.
There is a program.
Cats dogs have programmes in their mind, without mind, without programs.
They can’t work. If a robot performs a heart transplant operation, this robot needs a computer and a program like up.
Human being performs a heart transplant operation he needs a mind and knowledge to manage this.

Second Questions Answer:
God created some living things with health problems. ?? We won’t have any hospitals, doctors. This is an exam. If everything is created perfectly, what are we going to do? Nothing.
We need doctors, nurses, engineers, computer engineers, cars.
If we were created perfectly, we wouldn’t need any cars, any factories, any buildings, any bridges we must build them ourselves, we are in the exam on the earth.
If the teacher answers all the questions, everyone will get 100 points we can’t say this is an exam. Students must answer the question by themselves. We are like students. We must do many things by ourselves. God gave us a mind, a talent to be successful.
If every thing is done perfectly what is our job?



There are many programs which have mistakes. The important thing here is to have better programs.
XP may have mistakes. We must make better program than XP.
This also shows us better programmers. It is normal.
For example if a programme contains viruses. We have to make another one which rejects virus to be more successful.
We can’t see invisible things you can start your TV. By the help of remote control.
You can’t touch and see this infrared which starts TV. In the room there are many TV programs and people , you can’t see them. You  need a receiver and a  Satellite  Plate to see people around you in the room. There are many Sounds around you in the room we need a radio to hear the sounds in the room.Unless having a radio we cannot hear every sound in the room but we believe the existance of the sounds around us.


A person can write thousand of books. Human being is a kind of Robot  if a Robot writes thousands of biology books. This Robot will indicate an engineer or a programmer.
So we believe a programmer who created every living things.

I knew you would try and argue this  lol..

Positive
Negative
Neutral

There can ever only be a positive, negative, and neutral:  phenomenon, action, response, emotion, feeling, state of being, thought, process, stimuli, position, ability, power, form, state, idea, choice, decision, view, reaction, interpretation, opinion, motion, pattern, selection, or piece of information.  In fact these are the very same rules that govern consciousness, evolution, complexity, natural selection, or the emergence of any pattern you think would require a "Program" to exist. And guess what, magical sky fairy can't write that which itself requires to exist! Thus GODS are logical fallacies!

This programming thread is officially debunked :) And this argument is sadly the best argument theists have, but unfortunately it is also the easiest to debunk.

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"These is the prove, I love it, we should make a trophy and call it "The Prove"

Here ya go:
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Quote from: "elliebean"

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"These is the prove, I love it, we should make a trophy and call it "The Prove"

Here ya go:
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Unfortunately we have to take that trophy away now

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