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Good old Pope Beni is in the news again.
Some people seemed to think he was starting to lighten up on the condom issue.
But no, condoms only have a very limited use.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 70080.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704444304575628611227070080.html)

QuoteThe pope then added: "There may be a basis in the case of some individuals, as perhaps when a male prostitute uses a condom, where this can be a first step in the direction of a moralization, a first assumption of responsibility, on the way toward recovering an awareness that not everything is allowed and that one cannot do whatever one wants."

So bad news female prostitutes, you just have to die, but don't worry heaven is waiting and the priests will look after your children.

Quotecondom use "is not really the way to deal with the evil of HIV infection. That can really lie only in a humanization of sexuality."

I find it strange that these supposedly celibate men, think we are seriously interested in their bizarre views on sexuality.

Next step: issuing condoms to priests.

inb4: "low blow."

Apparently he now supports condoms for everyone (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/vatican-condoms-for-hiv-p_n_787629.html). Wonder how people who took the Catholic Church's original advice and ended up with HIV feel about this.

Quote from: "Sophus"Apparently he now supports condoms for everyone (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/23/vatican-condoms-for-hiv-p_n_787629.html).

Only when there´s a risk of spreading HIV or the alternative would be an abortion, apparantly.

The vatican still doesn't support birth control.

Quote from: "The Article"The Catholic Church is one of the biggest providers of humanitarian aid in Africa, and some Catholic aid workers there have begun to simply ignore the Vatican's rule.

It is typical of Catholics to stay in the Church and simply ignore insane pontifications.*

* I am enjoying the extreme applicability of that sentence's concluding noun.

Quote from: "Inevitable Droid"It is typical of Catholics to stay in the Church and simply ignore insane pontifications.*

* I am enjoying the extreme applicability of that sentence's concluding noun.

I'm really enjoying reading your posts, droid!
It really is crazy how some of these people think!
I wonder if it is all a part of some evil plan to eradicate human sheep (dark joke); although, one would think it would be evil to stand idly by during the advocation of so many HIV deaths due to the simple denial of protection.  (I wonder as they are riding bareback if they realize they are trading this life for their next one?)

Quote from: "legs laney"(I wonder as they are riding bareback if they realize they are trading this life for their next one?)

Excellent point, since one could argue that what they're doing is suicidal, and suicide is, for them, a mortal sin!

Its been said before it really doesn't make any sense for someone who is supposedly celibant to advise/make rules for people who are having sex. I have a theory regarding catholicisms stance on birth control and the fact that they seem to have a disproportionate amount of offspring. I think that early on(perhaps around a few hundred ad and afterwards when there were rival cultures to be displaced and eradicated.) this cultural strategy of "reproduce, reproduce, reproduce" coupled with the religions tendancy to either convert or destroy rival  cultures was a very successful way for the culture to grow. You can clearly see its success throughout history as roman catholicism has dominated most of the western world for many centuries. I dont think so much that this was planned out by anyone. I believe that this culture developed this tendency due to unknowable variables and following the law of natural selection it proliferated greatly due to the coincidental successfulness of its strategy. I'm sure each of you have experienced the generally intolerant nature of this religion. Many of its members see us(And anyone else who happens to not be one of them) as enemies to be converted, destroyed, or kicked out of the country and all the while they are popping out a seemingly above average amount of offspring who are prompty brainwashed into believeing the same old dogma.

I've been saying for years that voluntary and readily available birth control will be the first step to abolishing poverty and warfar(Also education on the subject and the ability for everyone to better themselves in their lifetime). i strongly believe that this is our only option if we hope to escape the cycle of (boom)prosperity and (bust)famine which we've been trapped in since the dawn of man. We're a lot like a bacteria in a petri dish which only has so much food and so much space. Our instincts tell us to grow as fast as possible but this only speads up the death of our culture.

Quote from: "Prometheus"Its been said before it really doesn't make any sense for someone who is supposedly celibant to advise/make rules for people who are having sex. I have a theory regarding catholicisms stance on birth control and the fact that they seem to have a disproportionate amount of offspring. I think that early on(perhaps around a few hundred ad and afterwards when there were rival cultures to be displaced and eradicated.) this cultural strategy of "reproduce, reproduce, reproduce" coupled with the religions tendancy to either convert or destroy rival  cultures was a very successful way for the culture to grow. You can clearly see its success throughout history as roman catholicism has dominated most of the western world for many centuries. I dont think so much that this was planned out by anyone. I believe that this culture developed this tendency due to unknowable variables and following the law of natural selection it proliferated greatly due to the coincidental successfulness of its strategy. I'm sure each of you have experienced the generally intolerant nature of this religion. Many of its members see us(And anyone else who happens to not be one of them) as enemies to be converted, destroyed, or kicked out of the country and all the while they are popping out a seemingly above average amount of offspring who are prompty brainwashed into believeing the same old dogma.

I've been saying for years that voluntary and readily available birth control will be the first step to abolishing poverty and warfar(Also education on the subject and the ability for everyone to better themselves in their lifetime). i strongly believe that this is our only option if we hope to escape the cycle of (boom)prosperity and (bust)famine which we've been trapped in since the dawn of man. We're a lot like a bacteria in a petri dish which only has so much food and so much space. Our instincts tell us to grow as fast as possible but this only speads up the death of our culture.

yes, i totally agree with you.  that is why the newer religions are so high on promoting large families.  i have a mormon friend i've tried to explain this to, but she just doesn't get it.

Not so fast!

They've changed their minds (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/21/vatican-says-no-change-to_n_799880.html). Or maybe they just "misspoke".

QuotePope Benedict XVI's recent comments about condoms do not mark a change in "Catholic moral teaching" or "pastoral practice" on AIDS prevention or contraception, the Vatican said Tuesday (Dec. 21).

Well it's obvious why he condones condoms for male prostitutes and not female; he, like most gays and Catholics, has a thing for the little boys.

Quote from: "Bubblepot"Well it's obvious why he condones condoms for male prostitutes and not female; he, like most gays and Catholics, has a thing for the little boys.

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You've been a very busy little Bubblepot, haven't you?  The common word for nasal mucus comes to mind. I can't think why.

  Unless you can back up your implied contention that gays and Catholics have a greater predilection for pedophilia than the population in general, this post is completely indefensible.  It displays contemptible ignorance and prejudice.

I would suggest defending your statement about gays being pedophiles.  We don't allow people to say such horrible things around here unless they are true (In this case I know it isn't true).

So, please let us know what led you to think such a horrible thing so we can clear it up.  Otherwise I'm just going to proceed assuming that you are the same troll I banned yesterday using a proxy because he also had a thing for hating gay people.

Quote from: "Whitney"I would suggest defending your statement about gays being pedophiles.

I actually advise against it because the result will be drivel.

Quote from: "Sophus"

Quote from: "Whitney"I would suggest defending your statement about gays being pedophiles.

I actually advise against it because the result will be drivel.

Nono... Asmodean is bored, so out with the drivel!  

Quote from: "Bubblepot"Well it's obvious why he condones condoms for male prostitutes and not female; he, like most gays and Catholics, has a thing for the little boys.

First board warning for entirely inappropriate (and incorrect) defamation.  

I feel that this warning is in error.

Quote from: "Bubblepot"I feel that this warning is in error.

Then you have a choice to not post here anymore because it is highly inappropriate to accuse whole masses of people of being pedophiles; comments like that require strong evidence.

All straight people are warmongering, anti-semitic, white supremacist, black supremacist and god hating pedophiles!! My proof? Bubblepot!!!

Quote from: "Ultima22689"All straight people are warmongering, anti-semitic, white supremacist, black supremacist and god hating pedophiles!! My proof? Bubblepot!!!

All straight people are pedophiles..?  

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Quote from: "Ultima22689"All straight people are warmongering, anti-semitic, white supremacist, black supremacist and god hating pedophiles!! My proof? Bubblepot!!!

All straight people are pedophiles..?  

[youtube:1cvxc4i2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dddAi8FF3F4[/youtube:1cvxc4i2]

Pedophile just means you like the kiddies if i'm not mistaken, doesn't matter what gender they are but I hope you guys see the logic in my wild, baseless claim.

Actually, Ultima22689, I don't see any logic here at all. Let's pause for a moment and try and look at this rationally. So you're saying that all straight people are pedophiles... then why is it that most straights that marry tend to marry, well, adults? I may not be a mod here, but I think I speak for all when say please provide proper evidence before making such prejudiced and irrational claims. Thank you.

Quote from: "Bubblepot"Actually, Ultima22689, I don't see any logic here at all. Let's pause for a moment and try and look at this rationally. So you're saying that all straight people are pedophiles... then why is it that most straights that marry tend to marry, well, adults? I may not be a mod here, but I think I speak for all when say please provide proper evidence before making such prejudiced and irrational claims. Thank you.

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Quote from: "Bubblepot"Actually, Ultima22689, I don't see any logic here at all. Let's pause for a moment and try and look at this rationally. So you're saying that all straight people are pedophiles... then why is it that most straights that marry tend to marry, well, adults? I may not be a mod here, but I think I speak for all when say please provide proper evidence before making such prejudiced and irrational claims. Thank you.

I think you completely missed the sarcasm.  

Actually, you missed the sarcasm, Cite.

Ironic.

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"Actually, you missed the sarcasm, Cite.

Ironic.

Darn it, I did didn't I?

It's okay, I did too at first.  

Sarcasm?

Ah, this forum never ceases to amuse me. Yes, that was sarcasm, if it wasn't, it doesn't even make any sense...kinda like all gay peolpe being pedophiles! GASP!

Quote from: "Bubblepot"Sarcasm?

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Quote from: "Ultima22689"Ah, this forum never ceases to amuse me. Yes, that was sarcasm, if it wasn't, it doesn't even make any sense...kinda like all gay peolpe being pedophiles! GASP!

I'm glad it was sarcasm. Because that was about one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen. In fact if that wasn't sarcasm and you're just using "sarcasm" as an excuse right now I'd be worried for you.

Quote from: "Bubblepot"

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Ah, this forum never ceases to amuse me. Yes, that was sarcasm, if it wasn't, it doesn't even make any sense...kinda like all gay peolpe being pedophiles! GASP!

I'm glad it was sarcasm. Because that was about one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever seen. In fact if that wasn't sarcasm and you're just using "sarcasm" as an excuse right now I'd be worried for you.

Yeah, just as i'm really worried about you thinking gays and catholics = pedophiles.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Yeah, just as i'm really worried about you thinking gays and catholics = pedophiles.

I don't see the connection.

Quote from: "Bubblepot"Well it's obvious why he condones condoms for male prostitutes and not female; he, like most gays and Catholics, has a thing for the little boys.

This is the connection Bubblepot, that was the whole point of my wild and baseless claim, to make a parallel and show how silly yours was.

Quote from: "Bubblepot"

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Yeah, just as i'm really worried about you thinking gays and catholics = pedophiles.

I don't see the connection.

The connection is that it is just as stupid to claim that gays and Catholics are pedophiles as it is to claim all heterosexuals are pedophiles.  Both are not only baseless but can be shown to be false by anyone who attempts to investigate it.

In fact it is so false of a claim that I almost removed your "free thinker" worldview because no one who claims to think for themselves (and isn't lying for jesus) would make such a crazy statement.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"This is the connection Bubblepot, that was the whole point of my wild and baseless claim, to make a parallel and show how silly yours was.

but these aren't parallel in any way.

Quote from: "Whitney"The connection is that it is just as stupid to claim that gays and Catholics are pedophiles as it is to claim all heterosexuals are pedophiles.

i disagree.

Quote from: "Whitney"Both are not only baseless but can be shown to be false by anyone who attempts to investigate it.

so you're saying there's no such thing as pedophiles? or are you saying that the amount of pedophiles among both gays and straights are exactly equal? please explain.

Quote from: "Whitney"In fact it is so false of a claim that I almost removed your "free thinker" worldview because no one who claims to think for themselves (and isn't lying for jesus) would make such a crazy statement.

lying for jesus? i thought that was your role, considering your furious defense of gays and catholics.

Your response can only mean two things:

1) You aren't smart enough to follow a very simple conversation.

2) You are trolling.

I'm going to go with 2 and give you a week ban.

I think his ineffectual troll mask that he was wearing is starting to wear off, as he now he's even stopped using capitals in his posts. Wow.