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Full disgusting story here (http://www.iglhrc.org/cgi-bin/iowa/article/pressroom/pressrelease/1257.html), if you can stomach it.  

The title is misleading.  Yes, removing sexual orientation from a list of Things To Not Execute People For is terrible and ridiculous, but they're not saying that it's good.

Quote from: "'Matt'"The title is misleading.  Yes, removing sexual orientation from a list of Things To Not Execute People For is terrible and ridiculous, but they're not saying that it's good.

Yeah, cuz that would be sooooo wrong.  

By not saying it's wrong they are giving no longer making it an international crime. If it is not a crime countries can now use that to justify their odious actions. Yes, not every country voted in favor for it, but the UN no longer recognizes this as something wrong, thus it is "ok". Not "good" or "encouraged" but apparently appallingly acceptable.

Besides I don't think choice of verbiage is the real issue here.

Mm, I suppose you're right.  I had taken "OK" to be positive rather than indifferent.

I agree with the semantic niggles here, and also agree that removing that clause is pretty crummy.  It should be noted, though, that they are removing LGBTs from a "discriminatory" list that apparently provides no particular protections beforehand, and the only post-mortem effect is to encourage an investigation:

QuoteThe resolution urges States to protect the right to life of all people, including by calling on states to investigate killings based on discriminatory grounds.

While it makes for bad news, they are certainly not approving, or even accepting as a neutral fact, the murder of LGBTs; nor does this seem to have any teeth for enforcement.  I also disagree with this article's claims that this change renders the murder of LGBTs "invisible" and "unimportant", considering that such issues as crime and punishment are local matters, wherein people look to local government for an expression of views such as this.

Not to say that this isn't bad, but I'd think the passage of localized -- state or national -- laws to be much more important in terms of day-to-day effects.  

What's sad is the homophobia which is reflected in the absence of these local laws, but then, where's the line between hate crime and thoughtcrime?

I should have mentioned they also voted to suppress religious criticism (http://www.centerforinquiry.net/blogs/entry/un_to_take_up_measure_suppressing_religious_criticism_votes_against_sexual_/).

QuoteWhat's sad is the homophobia which is reflected in the absence of these local laws, but then, where's the line between hate crime and thoughtcrime?

It's a good question Thumpy. Ideas can have very dangerous consequences so it's tough to know.

Quote from: "The Article's Author"The amendment removing the reference to sexual orientation was sponsored by Benin on behalf of the African Group in the UN General Assembly and was adopted with 79 votes in favor, 70 against, 17 abstentions and 26 absent.  

“This vote is a dangerous and disturbing development,” said Cary Alan Johnson, Executive Director of IGLHRC. “It essentially removes the important recognition of the particular vulnerability faced by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people - a recognition that is crucial at a time when 76 countries around the world criminalize homosexuality

The numbers tell the story, I think.  Apparently there are 192 nations represented in the UN, and of those 192, 76 explicitly criminalize homosexuality.  Thus almost half of the represented nations criminalize the very thing they were voting whether to protect from discrimination.  The odds were in favor of the 76 winning the day, I think, and look, they won.

The UN is only as progressive as its member nations, and some of its member nations aren't progressive at all.

Look at the countries that voted in favour of removing protection from homosexuals.

QuoteAfghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belize, Benin, Botswana, Brunei Dar-Sala, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, China, Comoros, Congo, Cote d’Ivoire, Cuba, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Africa, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Syrian Arab Republic, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uzbekistan, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe

It reads like a shit list of hell holes. I can honestly say there is not one country there I would ever visit, even before this (maybe the Bahamas or the Maldives).

Edit, also, check out this list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mu ... _countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_majority_countries)

Yeah, I was counting the Islamic countries before I saw your link.  I counted 26 majority and 5 significant-population Muslim countries.  Also to be noted, thugh, is the deep religiosity of the other countries on the list -- Russia and China being the two major exceptions.

I wonder how the faithful feel about joining hands with the two biggest authoritarian states in the world?

This is just sad. I really hope that atheist ark will be ready soon. We'll probably take over 97% of the world's scientists with us as well. XD

Seriously though, I've lost all faith in the UN, this is ridiculous, it's like humanity is being retarded by some unknown force that we can't comprehend..oh..wait.....

Hmm.... I don't know.  In the history of some of those nations there have been gay war-lords that murdered hundreds, and recently there've even been some revelations about links between homosexuality and the Nazi party, believe it or not.

If someone actually interviewed the 76 nations of our world that made that vote, I think we'd be given a more logical reason than just "homophobia" or "religion". After all, it's 76 governments of the world! 76! I doubt all those educated leaders made those decisions based on just blind superstition. To say so would imply you think that our culture, which embraces homosexuality, is superior to the cultures and customs of other nations- and there's a word for that: it's called racism.

Quote from: "Goathead"Hmm.... I don't know.  In the history of some of those nations there have been gay war-lords that murdered hundreds, and recently there've even been some revelations about links between homosexuality and the Nazi party, believe it or not.

If someone actually interviewed the 76 nations of our world that made that vote, I think we'd be given a more logical reason than just "homophobia" or "religion". After all, it's 76 governments of the world! 76! I doubt all those educated leaders made those decisions based on just blind superstition. To say so would imply you think that our culture, which embraces homosexuality, is superior to the cultures and customs of other nations- and there's a word for that: it's called racism.

Umm... excuse me? The Nazis killed gays.
Thinking that the mass murder of innocent people by a government's absurd laws is not racism by any stretch of the imagination. In what way do you think it is ever at all "logical" to kill someone on the grounds that they are gay?

EDIT: Never mind, it's probably just a stupid troll anyways.

Quote from: "Sophus"Umm... excuse me? The Nazis killed gays.

They also killed straights. In fact they killed about a hundred times more straight people than gay people. Just what point are you trying to make here?  :P

Quote from: "Sophus"In what way do you think it is ever at all "logical" to kill someone on the grounds that they are gay?

Don't misrepresent me. I never said that.

Quote from: "Goathead"I doubt all those educated leaders made those decisions based on just blind superstition.

Really?  You doubt that?  Gay marriage is getting voted down in states in the US.  There's one example of educated people making decisions based on blind superstition.

Quote from: "Goathead"To say so would imply you think that our culture, which embraces homosexuality, is superior to the cultures and customs of other nations- and there's a word for that: it's called racism.

What culture exactly embraces homosexuality? I have not experienced one yet.  And having said that I do feel that a culture that extends equal rights to all of it's people is superior over one that does not.  If that opinion is racist then so be it.


And its really disturbing they took homosexuals out.  It doesn't make sense that they would actively remove them unless it was from a discriminatory standpoint.

Quote from: "Goathead"They also killed straights. In fact they killed about a hundred times more straight people than gay people. Just what point are you trying to make here?  :P

Sense when did a mass number of people believing in something make it right? Seeing as you like to refer to Nazis, I suppose Hitler's Germany was morally justified in killing everyone they killed.

QuoteDon't misrepresent me. I never said that.

You said, "If someone actually interviewed the 76 nations of our world that made that vote, I think we'd be given a more logical reason than just "homophobia" or "religion". After all, it's 76 governments of the world! 76! I doubt all those educated leaders made those decisions based on just blind superstition." Please point out where I am putting words in your mouth? Either you think it's justifiable to kill gays for being gay or you don't.

Quote from: "trexshinigami"Really?  You doubt that?  Gay marriage is getting voted down in states in the US.  There's one example of educated people making decisions based on blind superstition.

That wasn't blind superstition.

Quote from: "Goathead"To say so would imply you think that our culture, which embraces homosexuality, is superior to the cultures and customs of other nations- and there's a word for that: it's called racism.

Quote from: "trexshinigami"What culture exactly embraces homosexuality?

The other 120 or so voted against the 76? I mean let's face it. It's easy for the typical gay man these days in our culture. All he has to do is play the persecution card, and the government will go to extensive efforts to make his life peachy.

Quote from: "trexshinigami"And having said that I do feel that a culture that extends equal rights to all of it's people is superior over one that does not.  If that opinion is racist then so be it.

This demonstrates that you didn't properly read my post. I never said that that was racist in itself.

Quote from: "trexshinigami"And its really disturbing they took homosexuals out.  It doesn't make sense that they would actively remove them unless it was from a discriminatory standpoint.

That or maybe they just don't like the idea of seven-year-old boys getting raped?  

Quote from: "Sophus"Nazis killed gays because they were gay. Obviously they didn't kill heterosexuals because they were heterosexuals,

QuoteIf you say so.

Quote from: "Sophus"they killed for racial reasons. You know, racism, the real kind.

The real kind as opposed to what?

Quote from: "Sophus"Sense when did a mass number of people believing in something make it right? Seeing as you like to refer to Nazis, I suppose Hitler's Germany was morally justified in killing everyone they killed.

But that's just my point- just because most nations believe they should give away their countries to homosexuals *doesn't* make it right. So you're actually justifying what I'm saying.

Quote from: "Sophus"You said, "If someone actually interviewed the 76 nations of our world that made that vote, I think we'd be given a more logical reason than just "homophobia" or "religion". After all, it's 76 governments of the world! 76! I doubt all those educated leaders made those decisions based on just blind superstition." Please point out where I am putting words in your mouth? Either you think it's justifiable to kill gays for being gay or you don't.

I just did point it out.

Quote from: "Goathead"That or maybe they just don't like the idea of seven-year-old boys getting raped?  

Aww its a troll, silly me..

Quote from: "trexshinigami"

Quote from: "Goathead"That or maybe they just don't like the idea of seven-year-old boys getting raped?  

Aww its a troll, silly me..

"Of course. Because a gay man could *never* be a paedophile! All gay people are really wonderful people who love flowers and rainbows and just want to live in peace, free of discrimination! They could *never* murder or rape or commit any other crimes. Even if 76 world governments have actually collectively come together, in an agreed mind, about the dangers of people with homosexual fetishes and their tendencies, let's just blame it on religion and homophobia. After all, in our culture, if we question homosexuality, we'll be labelled as evil Nazis."

... Is that what you're getting at?

Quote from: "Goathead""Of course. Because a gay man could *never* be a paedophile! All gay people are really wonderful people who love flowers and rainbows and just want to live in peace, free of discrimination! They could *never* murder or rape or commit any other crimes. Even if 76 world governments have actually collectively come together, in an agreed mind, about the dangers of people with homosexual fetishes and their tendencies, let's just blame it on religion and homophobia. After all, in our culture, if we question homosexuality, we'll be labelled as evil Nazis."

... Is that what you're getting at?

Boring.

Quote from: "Goathead"

Quote from: "trexshinigami"

Quote from: "Goathead"That or maybe they just don't like the idea of seven-year-old boys getting raped?  

Aww its a troll, silly me..

"Of course. Because a gay man could *never* be a paedophile! All gay people are really wonderful people who love flowers and rainbows and just want to live in peace, free of discrimination! They could *never* murder or rape or commit any other crimes. Even if 76 world governments have actually collectively come together, in an agreed mind, about the dangers of people with homosexual fetishes and their tendencies, let's just blame it on religion and homophobia. After all, in our culture, if we question homosexuality, we'll be labelled as evil Nazis."

... Is that what you're getting at?

No one is saying child molesters should not be punished. This amendment has nothing to do with prosecuting people for raping children. It allows countries to kill people for the sole reason that they are gay. That's it. Zip. Nada. Nothing else. They don't have to commit an actual crime.

Yes, it's either a troll or the world's dumbest imbecile. I would change this thread to being the subject of men's shampoo but I think that would be rather insulting to the weight of this issue.

1) Goat's right in saying that many leading Nazis were gay, especially in the SA; but this isn't a recent revelation.  Shirer, in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1st ed., Simon & Schuster, 1960) documents this fact.

2)

Quote from: "Goathead"

Quote from: "trexshinigami"Really?  You doubt that?  Gay marriage is getting voted down in states in the US.  There's one example of educated people making decisions based on blind superstition.

That wasn't blind superstition.

Please document the implied claim that the denial of equal rights to gays is not based on superstition.

3)

QuoteThat or maybe they just don't like the idea of seven-year-old boys getting raped?  

First, read this article (http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html) to see your category error:

QuoteOther researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified â€" only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

Secondly, these two facts, when integrated, imply that most molestation is not homosexual:

QuoteThe percentage of incidents of sexual abuse by female perpetrators that come to the attention of the legal system is usually reported to be between 1% and 4%.[101]

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse#Demographics)

and

QuoteRoughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

Source (http://www.childmolestationvictim.com/statistics.html)

And yes, as trolls go, ole Goat here is pretty artless: the Original Sin of trolldom.

Quote from: "SSY"Look at the countries that voted in favour of removing protection from homosexuals.

QuoteAfghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belize, Benin, Botswana, Brunei Dar-Sala, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, China, Comoros, Congo, Cote d’Ivoire, Cuba, Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Haiti, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kenya, Kuwait, Lebanon, Lesotho, Liberia, Libya, Madagascar, Malawi, Malaysia, Maldives, Mali, Morocco, Mozambique, Myanmar, Namibia, Niger, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Russian Federation, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and Grenadines, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Africa, Sudan, Suriname, Swaziland, Syrian Arab Republic, Tajikistan, Tunisia, Uganda, United Arab Emirates, United Republic of Tanzania, Uzbekistan, Viet Nam, Yemen, Zambia, Zimbabwe

It reads like a shit list of hell holes. I can honestly say there is not one country there I would ever visit, even before this (maybe the Bahamas or the Maldives).

Edit, also, check out this list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mu ... _countries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_majority_countries)

True, but I would have had higher hopes for Egypt, China and South Africa. I suppose we should have skipped over the gays when we in to offer help to Haiti after their earthquake.  

Quote from: "Goathead"Whether or not countries kill homosexuals is akin to the difference between foods eaten or clothes worn.

Quote from: "Goathead"To say so would imply you think that our culture, which embraces homosexuality, is superior to the cultures and customs of other nations- and there's a word for that: it's called racism.

Thinking a culture is ethically retarded is not racism...racism has to do with ethnicity/race (skin color, facial features etc that are common to people of a certain background).

Considering that what consenting adults do with each other sexually when alone together can in no way harm anyone else (not like we need to encourage them to breed) there is nothing left but bigoted antiquated religious nonsense reasons for making loving the same gender illegal.

Quote from: "Goathead"

Quote from: "trexshinigami"

Quote from: "Goathead"That or maybe they just don't like the idea of seven-year-old boys getting raped?  

Aww its a troll, silly me..

"Of course. Because a gay man could *never* be a paedophile! All gay people are really wonderful people who love flowers and rainbows and just want to live in peace, free of discrimination! They could *never* murder or rape or commit any other crimes. Even if 76 world governments have actually collectively come together, in an agreed mind, about the dangers of people with homosexual fetishes and their tendencies, let's just blame it on religion and homophobia. After all, in our culture, if we question homosexuality, we'll be labelled as evil Nazis."

... Is that what you're getting at?

If you continue to state or even imply that homosexuals are at higher risk of being child molestors than any other person without providing evidence of you claims I'm just going to ban you for being uncivil.  So far all I've seen you doing is saying unfounded bigoted things in what seems to be an attempt to troll.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"1) Goat's right in saying that many leading Nazis were gay, especially in the SA; but this isn't a recent revelation.  Shirer, in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1st ed., Simon & Schuster, 1960) documents this fact.

Hence why so many straights were targeted by the Nazi, relative to gay people.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Please document the implied claim that the denial of equal rights to gays is not based on superstition.

You're the one making the claim that it *is* based on superstition, I was just responding to it.

Quote from: "Whitney"If you continue to state or even imply that homosexuals are at higher risk of being child molestors than any other person without providing evidence of you claims I'm just going to ban you for being uncivil.  So far all I've seen you doing is saying unfounded bigoted things in what seems to be an attempt to troll.[/color]

Keep your panties on woman; here's some evidence for ya.

QuoteRoughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

Source (http://www.childmolestationvictim.com/statistics.html)
14% of boys are molested before they even turn 18: 14%! Tell me, are the majority of molesters men or women? Well there you go then. Homosexuality is clearly linked to paedophilia; still, I'm surprised that stating facts would be uncivil on skeptical forum.  

The bell tolls for thee.

Quote from: "Goathead"

QuoteRoughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

14% of boys are molested before they even turn 18: 14%! Tell me, are the majority of molesters men or women? Well there you go then. Homosexuality is clearly linked to paedophilia; still, I'm surprised that stating facts would be uncivil on skeptical forum.

By your evidence and logic, pedophilia is even more clearly linked to heterosexuality.  Where does this leave us?

Quote from: "Recusant"

Quote from: "Goathead"

QuoteRoughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

14% of boys are molested before they even turn 18: 14%! Tell me, are the majority of molesters men or women? Well there you go then. Homosexuality is clearly linked to paedophilia; still, I'm surprised that stating facts would be uncivil on skeptical forum.

By your evidence and logic, pedophilia is even more clearly linked to heterosexuality.  Where does this leave us?

We should ban heterosexuality, think of the children.

Quote from: "Recusant"By your evidence and logic, pedophilia is even more clearly linked to heterosexuality.  Where does this leave us?

Ah, now this is interesting. First it was "a GAY person could NEVER be a paedophile and you'll be BANNED for speaking of them in such a terrible way you evil person!!!", but now that actual facts have come out, it's... "well, homosexuality *might* be linked to paedophilia, maybe just a little bit... but paedophiles are still straight!"

Quote from: "Goathead"

Quote from: "Recusant"By your evidence and logic, pedophilia is even more clearly linked to heterosexuality.  Where does this leave us?

Ah, now this is interesting. First it was "a GAY person could NEVER be a paedophile and you'll be BANNED for speaking of them in such a terrible way you evil person!!!", but now that actual facts have come out, it's... "well, homosexuality *might* be linked to paedophilia, maybe just a little bit... but paedophiles are still straight!"

You're misinterpreting me, though I don't blame you, since I left the point as an open question as a device of rhetoric.  I'll be clearer.  Since molestation of children is practiced by both heterosexuals and homosexuals, to brand either orientation as specifically linked to pedophilia would be a form of the fallacy of special pleading.  I never even implied that "homosexuality 'might' be linked to paedophilia," and for you to say that I did is worse than misinterpretation, it's blatant misrepresentation.

It's just a troll. He/she/it has already accused Whitney of being a sexist (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=5468&p=91915#p91915) and been unnecessarily rude to McQ (http://www.happyatheistforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=91911#p91911). Not to mention goathead "WRITES like *this*!!!!!1!"

Quote from: "Goathead"Hence why so many straights were targeted by the Nazi, relative to gay people.

Non-sequitur.  Please provide evidence that this was a motivation of Himmler, Heydrich, Roehm, et al.

QuoteYou're the one making the claim that it *is* based on superstition, I was just responding to it.

Given that I have plenty of evidence that the denial of equal rights isreligiously-based, I'll regard your refusal to present evidence as an admission that you have none, and dismiss this "point" of yours.

QuoteKeep your panties on woman; here's some evidence for ya.

QuoteRoughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

Source (http://www.childmolestationvictim.com/statistics.html)

14% of boys are molested before they even turn 18: 14%! Tell me, are the majority of molesters men or women? Well there you go then. Homosexuality is clearly linked to paedophilia; still, I'm surprised that stating facts would be uncivil on skeptical forum.  

Nice quote-mine.  You apparently missed this part:

QuoteThe molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified â€" only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

I'm not sure if this is because your attention-span is short or you're dishonest.  Please clarify the issue, and I'll help out where I can.

Quote from: "Goathead"Ah, now this is interesting. First it was "a GAY person could NEVER be a paedophile and you'll be BANNED for speaking of them in such a terrible way you evil person!!!",

Hey, would you link to the post which claimed that?  No?  You can't?  Poor little thing.

Quotebut now that actual facts have come out, it's... "well, homosexuality *might* be linked to paedophilia, maybe just a little bit... but paedophiles are still straight!"

The fact is that the vast majority of pedophiles are straight.  That you ignore that fact speaks volumes about your bias, and completely undermines any credibility you might think you have.

(Protip:  you have none anyway, don't mourn any "loss".)

Quote from: "Goathead"Keep your panties on woman; here's some evidence for ya.

QuoteRoughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

Source (http://www.childmolestationvictim.com/statistics.html)
14% of boys are molested before they even turn 18: 14%! Tell me, are the majority of molesters men or women? Well there you go then. Homosexuality is clearly linked to paedophilia; still, I'm surprised that stating facts would be uncivil on skeptical forum.  

I hadn't seen this post until just now. I had been pretty damn polite to goathead up to this point, even though it was becoming obvious it was here just to troll. Seems about time for goathead to take a little time off. You see, when you troll a forum and then insult the owner of that forum, you're pretty much begging to be banned.

But quite frankly, after reading all this drivel you've written, I'd just as soon ban you for being a fool. So, buh-bye, enjoy the vacation, and maybe we'll see you in a week. That is, if it is not decided just to permaban you, of which I would be in favor.

One week ban for goathead. To be followed by a permanent ban if decided upon by the mod team or Whitney, of course.

Quote from: "McQ"

Quote from: "Goathead"Keep your panties on woman; here's some evidence for ya.

QuoteRoughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before the age of 18, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

Source (http://www.childmolestationvictim.com/statistics.html)
14% of boys are molested before they even turn 18: 14%! Tell me, are the majority of molesters men or women? Well there you go then. Homosexuality is clearly linked to paedophilia; still, I'm surprised that stating facts would be uncivil on skeptical forum.  

I hadn't seen this post until just now. I had been pretty damn polite to goathead up to this point, even though it was becoming obvious it was here just to troll. Seems about time for goathead to take a little time off. You see, when you troll a forum and then insult the owner of that forum, you're pretty much begging to be banned.

But quite frankly, after reading all this drivel you've written, I'd just as soon ban you for being a fool. So, buh-bye, enjoy the vacation, and maybe we'll see you in a week. That is, if it is not decided just to permaban you, of which I would be in favor.

One week ban for goathead. To be followed by a permanent ban if decided upon by the mod team or Whitney, of course.

I can't say I'll miss him.

Great, I hope he doesn't show up back at TAF again.

Worst. Troll. Ever.
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Quote from: "SSY"Worst. Troll. Ever.
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Don't flatter him.  

Yeah, I think Martin Luther was the worst troll evar!