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He is not a muslim and he was born in the United States, BUT he is awful president.

There is a gap between what he said and what he does.  

The voters were fooled by a politician [as usual], feckless, callow, and laden with glib promises.

He tried to distance himself from Bush during the campaign, but he ended up continuing many of Bush's policies, because he realized they were necessary.

He campaigned on an anti-war platform, noting bracelet that a woman gave him after saying "please don't let another mother go through what I am going through".  He said it was stupid to give aid to a country with a $10 billion surplus.  He promised to withdraw the troops in 16 months.

He didn't do that.  He withdrew at a slower rate; the same rate Bush wanted to withdraw at.

There is only two paths of policy to be taken during the war:
keep the troops in long enough to win or don't fight at all.

There is no middle ground.

His withdrawal plan in Afghanistan is unfeasible (General Patraes said it would take years to get out of Afghanistan) and comparable to the failed policy of Vietnamization.

Unless politicians have a crystal ball, if they do let me know, it is impossible to make future decisions based on the conditions of the present.

His stimulus package was too expensive, too slow, and failed to stimulate the economy.

The Obama administration is the most unaccountable administration in history, rife with wasteful spending.  He signed a 2,000 pg health care bill; we all don't know what is hiding in its crevices.  He signed a 2,000 pg wall street reform bill; none of us know exactly what is inside.  He signed a $26 billion dollar bill without a name; we don't know exactly what is in it.  This is the most fiscally irresponsible administration in the nations history, driving the country over $2 trillion in debt in just 16 months.

Voting for Obama seemed like the right thing at the time.  Bush was the devil who single-handedly destroyed the economy, McCain is a war-hawk and a copy of Bush, the War in Iraq is stupid, and we're going to have our first African American president.  But some people only have a history span of 8 years and a vision of the future which doesn't go past 2 1/2 months.

Eventually, he's going to have to stop scapegoating Bush, who was a far better president in my opinion, and take responsibility for his own actions.

The war in Iraq was winding down beforehand, true.  And that's a good thing.  How does that make Obama a bad president?

He has done well in some things, failed miserably in others, but in all cases, he's let reason and not faith do the heavy lifting.  That's enough for me after eight years of a "crusading" Bush who didn't know his ass from third base about the world outside of Texas before he decided to invade Iraq over false pretenses.

Obama thinks.

Things went poorly under Bush.  He showed himself to be somewhat dimwitted.  We thought there may be some connection between the apparent lack of intelligence on the part of our leader and the state of the country.  We chose to elect a man who appears to be smart.  I think McCain would have made a fine president as well, he was likely doomed by the failings of Bush and that nitwit of a running mate.  I digress.

Let's wait a couple years before we determine the success or failure of the Obama administration.

Quote from: "jduster"There is a gap between what he said and what he does.

Of over 500 campaign promises made, President Obama has kept 121, compromised on 39, has 240 currently in the works, and has had 81 stalled. He's actually only broken 22. So yes, there's a gap, but it's not a big gap. Source (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/)

Quote from: "jduster"The voters were fooled by a politician [as usual], feckless, callow, and laden with glib promises.

Not really. Statistically speaking, he's actually doing well keeping the tons of promises he made.

Quote from: "jduster"He tried to distance himself from Bush during the campaign, but he ended up continuing many of Bush's policies, because he realized they were necessary.

President Obama has continued rendition, secret assassinations, the war with the Taliban, etc., but he's made a 180 on economic issues, and it does seem like he's starting to make inroads on turning around domestic and social issues.

Quote from: "jduster"He campaigned on an anti-war platform, noting bracelet that a woman gave him after saying "please don't let another mother go through what I am going through".  He said it was stupid to give aid to a country with a $10 billion surplus.  He promised to withdraw the troops in 16 months.

Senator Obama absolutely did not run on an anti-war platform. He consistantly and repeatedly said he would ramp up the war in Afghanistan, saying it's "The war we need to win." (http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php) And President Obama promised to withdraw combat troops, not all troops, and that's just happened. He announced the 18 month timetable on February 27 of 2009.

Quote from: "jduster"There is only two paths of policy to be taken during the war:
keep the troops in long enough to win or don't fight at all.

There is no middle ground.

This assumes military victory is the goal. It's not. Military contracts and rebuilding are the goal. The neoconservatives engineered both wars, capitalizing on 9/11, and are now raking in insane amounts of money because of it. That money you always hear about that the war is costing? Most of that is ending up with the private corporations and contractors. They have a vested financial interest in drawn-out, no-goal wars.

Quote from: "jduster"His withdrawal plan in Afghanistan is unfeasible (General Patraes said it would take years to get out of Afghanistan) and comparable to the failed policy of Vietnamization.

Afghanistan is an unwinnable war. The goals are constantly changing when they're even visible, the enemy changes from day to day, and the United States is collapsing under our own incompetence which will eventually mean we'll run out of money to pay for the war regardless of how much we borrow. On top of that, President Obama knows his role as a war-President is the best political defense he has against the right. John McCain, despite being an utter failure during his military career, was portrayed as a war hero. It's a classic Republican strategy to try and push the idea that Democrats are weak on terror (formerly weak on communism). If President Obama pulled out tomorrow, while he'd unite the left for the first time in over 40 years, he'd lose the 2012 election, probably to Sarah Palin with an ex-military VP. I hate the war in Afghanistan, but President Palin is even worse.

Quote from: "jduster"Unless politicians have a crystal ball, if they do let me know, it is impossible to make future decisions based on the conditions of the present.

The game is much more controlled than you might assume. We'll end combat missions in Afghanistan probably in 2016 because the money to pay corporations and contractors will run out. We'll have a presence there for decades, though, just like Iraq.

Quote from: "jduster"His stimulus package was too expensive, too slow, and failed to stimulate the economy.

Either it was too big or not big enough. You can't have it both ways.

Quote from: "jduster"The Obama administration is the most unaccountable administration in history, rife with wasteful spending.  He signed a 2,000 pg health care bill; we all don't know what is hiding in its crevices.  He signed a 2,000 pg wall street reform bill; none of us know exactly what is inside.  He signed a $26 billion dollar bill without a name; we don't know exactly what is in it.  This is the most fiscally irresponsible administration in the nations history, driving the country over $2 trillion in debt in just 16 months.

You can read the healthcare bill online. I've read it. You can read the financial reform bill online. Again, I've read it. And the debt? A lot of it is being paid back. Remember: TARP wasn't spending, it was an investment. It's not like military where it's a black hole sucking in money we'll never see again. We expect to get a lot of our money back, and we have gotten some of it back. The reason we're in such serious trouble now is George W. Bush simultaneously gave us one of the biggest tax cuts in history and started two wars with no method to pay for them. We had a $127 billion budget surplus in 2000. If that had continued, we would have no federal debt as of this year. Instead, as of January of 2009, we had a $1.2 trillion deficit. The deregulation of the financial markets also meant we were put into an economic free fall as bubbles burst left and right. None of that is President Obama's fault.

Let me ask you this: what would you have done?

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"The war in Iraq was winding down beforehand, true.  And that's a good thing.  How does that make Obama a bad president?

It shows that he is two-faced.

His campaign was based on imagery.  Obama made himself to look like a peacemaker while making McCain look like a warmongerer, when in reality, they both were against a quick withdrawal in Iraq.

Quote from: "humblesmurph"Things went poorly under Bush.  He showed himself to be somewhat dimwitted.  We thought there may be some connection between the apparent lack of intelligence on the part of our leader and the state of the country.  We chose to elect a man who appears to be smart.  I think McCain would have made a fine president as well, he was likely doomed by the failings of Bush and that nitwit of a running mate.  I digress.

Let's wait a couple years before we determine the success or failure of the Obama administration.

Yes, it is a shame that the public believes intelligence and elegance are the same thing.

What he has already done has set itself in stone, but you are right about giving it more time to assess Obama's legacy.  It can only get much worse.

Excellent post, Will.  You addressed several of the points that came to my mind-most notably regarding the number of campaign promises Obama has actually acted on, which I think is pretty significant, given he hasn't been in office that long.

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"The war in Iraq was winding down beforehand, true.  And that's a good thing.  How does that make Obama a bad president?

It shows that he is two-faced.

His campaign was based on imagery.  Obama made himself to look like a peacemaker while making McCain look like a warmongerer, when in reality, they both were against a quick withdrawal in Iraq.

Yeah but being against a quick withdrawal is not the same thing as being a warmonger.  I distinctly remember McCain saying he'd stay in Iraq a 100 more years if he thought he had to.  Which of course was metaphorical, but certainly he had no plans of withdrawal for the near future.  Realistically, it would not have been wise on Obama's part to yank all our troops out without first putting in place a contingency plan-which is what he did.

You know that line: I'm sick of old men dreaming up wars for young men to die in?  That's kind of how I feel about McCain.

Well he sure as hell isn't a great president, but the American people really need to grow up and get over the idea that presidents have to be great men.

Is Obama an awful president? Maybe, but first you're going to have to define "awful" as you're using it in this context.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"The war in Iraq was winding down beforehand, true.  And that's a good thing.  How does that make Obama a bad president?

Quote from: "jduster"It shows that he is two-faced.

His campaign was based on imagery.  Obama made himself to look like a peacemaker while making McCain look like a warmongerer, when in reality, they both were against a quick withdrawal in Iraq.

Quote from: "humblesmurph"Things went poorly under Bush.  He showed himself to be somewhat dimwitted.  We thought there may be some connection between the apparent lack of intelligence on the part of our leader and the state of the country.  We chose to elect a man who appears to be smart.  I think McCain would have made a fine president as well, he was likely doomed by the failings of Bush and that nitwit of a running mate.  I digress.

Let's wait a couple years before we determine the success or failure of the Obama administration.

Quote from: "jduster"Yes, it is a shame that the public believes intelligence and elegance are the same thing.

What he has already done has set itself in stone, but you are right about giving it more time to assess Obama's legacy.  It can only get much worse.

If you'd like to actually make a point, you'd be better served addressing Will's post than mine.  Click on the little blue source button.  It certainly elevated my opinion of Obama, if you can be honest with yourself, maybe it will do the same for you.  

Btw, thanks for the post Will.  You've opened up a whole new source of info for me.  I shouldn't have my head in the sand on political issues.  Gotta stop watching so much South Park and learn what is really going on in the world.

I'll agree that the man is overrated. Or at least he was. Obama has yet to demonstrate the backbone I think a true outstanding leader needs to have. This may change if he is re-elected thus no longer has to worry about what the people think of him.

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For this reason I don't think we should return to Republican leadership whose economic policy drove us into this rut in the first place. In some cases, it is possible that his spending isn't the most helpful (things like the super duper train in Florida?). In other cases it's completely necessary because it saves jobs.

I also think Obama is very good at helping our relations with the world. He's not perfect, but in comparison to other Presidents, especially recent ones, I think he stands out as looking pretty decent.

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Quote from: "i_am_i"Well he sure as hell isn't a great president, but the American people really need to grow up and get over the idea that presidents have to be great men.

Is Obama an awful president? Maybe, but first you're going to have to define "awful" as you're using it in this context.

What are some of the common criticisms of Obama?  Where has he zigged where he should have zagged?

I tend not to like politicians anyway which makes it easy for me to want to revoke my support but I've found that Obama has had a bit of a two faced approach trying to make both the republicans and democrats happy....he should have just did what he thinks is right and not worried about further upsetting the repubs since they'll by the whole hate him no matter what he does (because he's a liberal black muslim without a birth record    )

But awful president....I'd just say disappointing but at least we aren't in a depression or being invaded or under a theocracy; 3 things that were much more likely to happen if Bush were still the decider.

slight derail, but ass from a hole in the ground I've heard of, and ass from page five. But this:ass from third base I have never heard of before.

Quote from: "Will"The reason we're in such serious trouble now is George W. Bush simultaneously gave us one of the biggest tax cuts in history and started two wars with no method to pay for them.

Out of a post I generally agree with, this really bears repeating; it is the salient, if unspoken, fact of American domestic politics and economics from the last seven years, and likely for the next twenty, at least.

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"The war in Iraq was winding down beforehand, true.  And that's a good thing.  How does that make Obama a bad president?

It shows that he is two-faced.

His campaign was based on imagery.  Obama made himself to look like a peacemaker while making McCain look like a warmongerer, when in reality, they both were against a quick withdrawal in Iraq.

Will has already pointed out that Obama committed to the Afghani war prior to the election.  And before the election, Obama made plain his objection to Iraq -- indeed, he did so in 2004.

Also, you ought to understand that all politicians sell an image -- Republicans included.  Another thing you should dig into is the idea of compromise; it greases the wheels of government, for better or worse.  "You can't always get what you want."  Both parties are flawed.  I'm happy with Obama because he's rational.

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Quote from: "i_am_i"Well he sure as hell isn't a great president, but the American people really need to grow up and get over the idea that presidents have to be great men.

Is Obama an awful president? Maybe, but first you're going to have to define "awful" as you're using it in this context.

What are some of the common criticisms of Obama?  Where has he zigged where he should have zagged?

I would like to see him "redact" the "Patriot" Act, and he should be more forceful about gay rights.  Also, Gtmo is still open.

Thus far into his term, on a 1-10, I'd give him a 6.5, maybe 7.  Maybe.

I think that the main problem is that many Americans expect their president to be a kind of superman, capable of solving all problems with a snip of the finger. Unfortunately things don't work that way. It will take years for America (perhaps even decades) to get out of the shithole that they are in right now, building off its enormous debts, dealing with the Afghan and Iraqi legacy, restoring international relationships, etc..

Yes, Obama promised too much, but so does every politician. Obama is now faced with the reality of being a president instead of the "Messiah" that many people hoped him to be. I wouldn't call Obama an awful president, but I hope to see him become more assertive and statesman's like. I also hope that the Republican Party come more to their senses; throw out all the ultra-right and super conservative religious dimwits and get back to reality.

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I'm all ears.  

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That would be a more effective rejoinder if everything post hoc that is bad or not good enough were not also considered propter hoc.

Had McCain won, we'd be saying he was an awful president. Whoever's president gets reamed a new orifice. That's standard procedure for being an American. But I'll tell you this much. If McCain were president right now? We'd still have more than 50K troops in Iraq. In fact by now the stress woulda killed McCain, and Sarah Palin would be our first female president. Obama sucks alright, but it could far worse. It's what they call the Lesser of Two Evils, but in the big picture it wouldn't make a lot of difference. One of many reasons why I stopped voting. It just doesn't matter.

Quote from: "ZachsMind"Had McCain won, we'd be saying he was an awful president. Whoever's president gets reamed a new orifice. That's standard procedure for being an American. But I'll tell you this much. If McCain were president right now? We'd still have more than 50K troops in Iraq. In fact by now the stress woulda killed McCain, and Sarah Palin would be our first female president. Obama sucks alright, but it could far worse. It's what they call the Lesser of Two Evils, but in the big picture it wouldn't make a lot of difference. One of many reasons why I stopped voting. It just doesn't matter.

Actually, Sarah Palin is the reason why I urged everyone I know to vote for Obama.  I'd like to think that those votes mattered; a McCain heart attack in the next two years will justify my argument here.

Quote from: "url=http://www.slate.com/id/2266020/]Slate[/url]"]Before his vacation, he warned Republicans he's going to start. "They've forgotten I know how to politick pretty good," he said before leaving for vacation.

What's Obama up to?

I'm a bit disappointed in Obama as well, but I'm just relieved we don't have bush at the wheel anymore.

He's actually got an exit strategy for the wars. They're all supposed to be out by, (what was it?) July 2011? I'm too lazy to look that up at the moment.

And the REASON the stimulus package was too slow was because it didn't create ENOUGH Government spending to cause the GDP to increase at a rate of 2.5%. Instead (thanks to an insane level of Republican opposition in Congress) it hovered around 1.6%. So GDP continues to increase, but it's decreasing the unemployment rate too slowly for people too consider it successful.

In OTHER WORDS: The Stimulus Package should have been more expensive. It's like we needed to buy something for $100, but ended up giving the Cashier $50. We don't get all of what we aimed for, and it is just perceived as a waste of money.

Obama's failure is in NOT getting much done, where Bush's failure was in doing awful things that fucked the economy over.

Having been around since Kennedy was President, I think I'm pretty qualified to say that Obama is no better than some, but certainly not as bad as a number of Presidents we've been forced to endure.  NO President can do everything he wants, hence the three branches of government, and thankfully so because I shudder to think what Bush would have "accomplished" if given free reign during his eight years in office.

I think to call his Presidency aweful at this stage is unfair, Bush had eight years to screw up, and Obama has had to use the past two to fix a lot of Bush's mistakes, including the war in Iraq, the economy, taxes, just to name a few.  The next two may be the test, but I hope he is re-elected and uses his second term to really shake things up.  Remember, he's had to "deal" with a LOT OF CRAP from the Right from day one, crap like the Birthers and the Muslim accusations, that have NOTHING to do with leading this nation in what I think is one of the toughest times since the Great Depression.

No, I like Obama, not as much as I liked Clinton, but he's moving some things in the right direction, like taking tax cuts from the RICH, and NOT cutting social programs, and at least doing something about healthcare (right or wrong, it's better than doing NOTHING).  Anyway, my two cents, ten dollars with inflation.

Quote from: "Martin TK"No, I like Obama, not as much as I liked Clinton, but he's moving some things in the right direction, like taking tax cuts from the RICH, and NOT cutting social programs, and at least doing something about healthcare (right or wrong, it's better than doing NOTHING).  Anyway, my two cents, ten dollars with inflation.

Obama put Alan Simpson on his Deficit Commission.  Simpson wants to dismantle social security.  Simpson want disabled American Vets to give up their disability payments because the Vets are a drain on society.  The Deficit Commission is meeting in total secrecy just like Obama's commission on Health Care.  Obama promised a transparent process and an open government yet he has done a 180' on that promise.  

I give Obama a C-.

Quote from: "Tom62"I think that the main problem is that many Americans expect their president to be a kind of superman, capable of solving all problems with a snip of the finger. Unfortunately things don't work that way. It will take years for America (perhaps even decades) to get out of the shithole that they are in right now, building off its enormous debts, dealing with the Afghan and Iraqi legacy, restoring international relationships, etc..

Yes, Obama promised too much, but so does every politician. Obama is now faced with the reality of being a president instead of the "Messiah" that many people hoped him to be. I wouldn't call Obama an awful president, but I hope to see him become more assertive and statesman's like. I also hope that the Republican Party come more to their senses; throw out all the ultra-right and super conservative religious dimwits and get back to reality.

Obama acted like he is a superman (pic related)

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He's not, he's a naive little boy who has never had a real job, has no idea what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, and is a teenager of a president.

He whined about conservatives talking shit about him, Bush never did that and he got it way worse than Obama. He cries when people just won't let him do whatever he wants and that the end justifies the means. He can't handle the presidency and it's showing. Obama should have stuck to being some obscure and nobody senator. Probably would be better for his health, look at how much he's aged.

Compared to the former disaster story, Obama is quite a big step in the right direction. He is no Clinton, but I think he is doing his best given the circumstances he's dealing with.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Obama acted like he is a superman (pic related)

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He's not, he's a naive little boy who has never had a real job, has no idea what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, and is a teenager of a president.

He whined about conservatives talking shit about him, Bush never did that and he got it way worse than Obama. He cries when people just won't let him do whatever he wants and that the end justifies the means. He can't handle the presidency and it's showing. Obama should have stuck to being some obscure and nobody senator. Probably would be better for his health, look at how much he's aged.

I take exception to you calling President Obama a "..little boy".  As I understand it, he was a civil rights attorney before he got into politics.  If you don't deem that a real job, explain why.  What does financial struggle have to do with being president?  Who was the last US President to grow up poor?

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Obama acted like he is a superman (pic related)

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He's not, he's a naive little boy who has never had a real job, has no idea what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, and is a teenager of a president.

He whined about conservatives talking shit about him, Bush never did that and he got it way worse than Obama. He cries when people just won't let him do whatever he wants and that the end justifies the means. He can't handle the presidency and it's showing. Obama should have stuck to being some obscure and nobody senator. Probably would be better for his health, look at how much he's aged.

I take exception to you calling President Obama a "..little boy".  As I understand it, he was a civil rights attorney before he got into politics.  If you don't deem that a real job, explain why.  What does financial struggle have to do with being president?  Who was the last US President to grow up poor?

He's a boy to me. Never served his country, never had to struggle for anything. His life has been nothing but opulence. At least the other presidents didn't have the gall to act like they understood what it's like to be poor. I don't mind that, but don't talk to me like you know what it's like to struggle.

So yes, he's a boy to me. I don't see him as a man at all. That's what's wrong with this country, they elected a little boy and we needed a man to do this job.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Obama acted like he is a superman (pic related)

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He's not, he's a naive little boy who has never had a real job, has no idea what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, and is a teenager of a president.

He whined about conservatives talking shit about him, Bush never did that and he got it way worse than Obama. He cries when people just won't let him do whatever he wants and that the end justifies the means. He can't handle the presidency and it's showing. Obama should have stuck to being some obscure and nobody senator. Probably would be better for his health, look at how much he's aged.

I take exception to you calling President Obama a "..little boy".  As I understand it, he was a civil rights attorney before he got into politics.  If you don't deem that a real job, explain why.  What does financial struggle have to do with being president?  Who was the last US President to grow up poor?

He's a boy to me. Never served his country, never had to struggle for anything. His life has been nothing but opulence. At least the other presidents didn't have the gall to act like they understood what it's like to be poor. I don't mind that, but don't talk to me like you know what it's like to struggle.

So yes, he's a boy to me. I don't see him as a man at all. That's what's wrong with this country, they elected a little boy and we needed a man to do this job.

Was George W Bush a man?

Quote from: "humblesmurph"Was George W Bush a man?

Nope, we haven't had a real man in office since Ronald Reagan. Now that man was a president!!! Didn't take shit from commies instead of the current pinko commie we have. I wish we could elect Putin, he gets shit done like a man. I loved it when he used his dog to scare the German Chancellor. Look at that troll smirk....

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What Bush..? THIS one?!  

Quote from: "Big Mac"{referring to HS} I don't mind that, but don't talk to me like you know what it's like to struggle.

I didn't know HS had posted his biography here? BM what do you know of HS's life to say he does not know what it's like to struggle? I don't know if he has or has not but I wouldn't presume to know either. Just an observation.

Quote from: "Tank"I didn't know HS had posted his biography here? BM what do you know of HS's life to say he does not know what it's like to struggle? I don't know if he has or has not but I wouldn't presume to know either. Just an observation.

His life is a big lie. He claimed that his grandfather was one of the first soldiers to liberate Auschwitz, which was liberated by the Red Army alone. He is a snake in the grass and I'll never trust him. I'd almost go so far as to consider him the Anti-Christ if I were a Christian. Something about him makes me feel ill. Like I'm looking at a truly evil man.

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Quote from: "Tank"I didn't know HS had posted his biography here? BM what do you know of HS's life to say he does not know what it's like to struggle? I don't know if he has or has not but I wouldn't presume to know either. Just an observation.

His life is a big lie. He claimed that his grandfather was one of the first soldiers to liberate Auschwitz, which was liberated by the Red Army alone. He is a snake in the grass and I'll never trust him. I'd almost go so far as to consider him the Anti-Christ if I were a Christian. Something about him makes me feel ill. Like I'm looking at a truly evil man.

Uh... I'm staying away from the hair pulling, but why couldn't HS' grandpops have been a soldier in the Red Army..? Russians, after all, are everywhere  

Quote from: "Asmodean"Uh... I'm staying away from the hair pulling, but why couldn't HS' grandpops have been a soldier in the Red Army..? Russians, after all, are everywhere  

Why do you keep calling him HS?

If his grandpa was then he was a communist and that explains why Obama is too, to be honest.

I just don't like the guy. Something in my gut tells me he's pure evil and wishes nothing but harm to me. I was horrified to here he came to Austin recently. That disgusted all of us and we were hoping he'd leave ASAP.

Quote from: "Big Mac"If his grandpa was then he was a communist and that explains why Obama is too, to be honest.

MY private personal grandpa was a communist and yet I myself am a far-right liberal democrat. And not every Soviet soldier was a communist. Just for the sake of argument, I have to point out that there are flaws in lumping  

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Quote from: "Asmodean"Uh... I'm staying away from the hair pulling, but why couldn't HS' grandpops have been a soldier in the Red Army..? Russians, after all, are everywhere  

Why do you keep calling him HS?

If his grandpa was then he was a communist and that explains why Obama is too, to be honest.

I just don't like the guy. Something in my gut tells me he's pure evil and wishes nothing but harm to me. I was horrified to here he came to Austin recently. That disgusted all of us and we were hoping he'd leave ASAP.

Slight confusion.  They thought you were referring to me, not Mr. Obama. I am HS.  If you really do believe what you post, I appreciate your honesty in posting it.  So many people hide their irrational thoughts for fear that they may make a bad impression.  Respectfully, I can't argue with your gut, or whatever logic that leads you to the conclusion that Mr. Obama is a Communist.   You are entitled to your opinion.

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Quote from: "Tank"I didn't know HS had posted his biography here? BM what do you know of HS's life to say he does not know what it's like to struggle? I don't know if he has or has not but I wouldn't presume to know either. Just an observation.

His life is a big lie. He claimed that his grandfather was one of the first soldiers to liberate Auschwitz, which was liberated by the Red Army alone. He is a snake in the grass and I'll never trust him. I'd almost go so far as to consider him the Anti-Christ if I were a Christian. Something about him makes me feel ill. Like I'm looking at a truly evil man.

  Are you talking about humblesmerph? I was. I thought you were saying that humblessmerph didn't know what is was like to have to struggle. I think I may have got myself a bit muddled there!

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Obama acted like he is a superman (pic related)

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He's not, he's a naive little boy who has never had a real job, has no idea what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, and is a teenager of a president.

He whined about conservatives talking shit about him, Bush never did that and he got it way worse than Obama. He cries when people just won't let him do whatever he wants and that the end justifies the means. He can't handle the presidency and it's showing. Obama should have stuck to being some obscure and nobody senator. Probably would be better for his health, look at how much he's aged.

I take exception to you calling President Obama a "..little boy".  As I understand it, he was a civil rights attorney before he got into politics.  If you don't deem that a real job, explain why.  What does financial struggle have to do with being president?  Who was the last US President to grow up poor?

He's a boy to me. Never served his country, never had to struggle for anything. His life has been nothing but opulence. At least the other presidents didn't have the gall to act like they understood what it's like to be poor. I don't mind that, but don't talk to me like you know what it's like to struggle.

So yes, he's a boy to me. I don't see him as a man at all. That's what's wrong with this country, they elected a little boy and we needed a man to do this job.

Yeah, a broken home is a cakewalk.  And being a Constitutional scholar isn't a real job fit to make a President.  I want someone who's been, I dunno, a ditch-digger.  Now that's man's work.

Also, given the fact that he spent much of his adult career helping poverty-stricken people, I'd say he's more qualified to comment on it than, say, you.

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Quote from: "humblesmurph"Was George W Bush a man?

Nope, we haven't had a real man in office since Ronald Reagan. Now that man was a president!!! Didn't take shit from commies instead of the current pinko commie we have. I wish we could elect Putin, he gets shit done like a man. I loved it when he used his dog to scare the German Chancellor. Look at that troll smirk....

Where's pinkocommie when you need him?!? I find it so amusing that you chose that phrase!

Okay, I'm just going to throw this out there: Conservatives don't know shit about economics. None of the ones I'm seeing these days, at any rate.  They all try desperately to copy Reagan, but it's no use. Reaganomics was the worst fucking idea to enter an economy since Communism.  Granted he was able to scare the commies away, but other than that, his concept of the "Free" Market basically fucked over the working class.

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Why don't we just go right back to the tax system we had under Clinton? That was obviously working great!

Quote from: "humblesmurph"Slight confusion.  They thought you were referring to me, not Mr. Obama. I am HS.  If you really do believe what you post, I appreciate your honesty in posting it.  So many people hide their irrational thoughts for fear that they may make a bad impression.  Respectfully, I can't argue with your gut, or whatever logic that leads you to the conclusion that Mr. Obama is a Communist.   You are entitled to your opinion.

Ah, I thought it was some new way liberals worship the new Dear Leader. I think Obama is a socialist at the least. I also am wary of all the traveling he did as youngster with his muslim stepfather and brain dead mom. They went to some really Anti-American places. Makes me wonder if Obama wanted to become president of America to destroy it. Doing a great job at it right now. Spending all the money to help welfare riders out but honest hard-working joes like me get punished for not failing at life. Typical democrats for ya, help the lazy never do wells but forget the man who does keep a job and tax them out the yin-yang.

Again, I'll never trust him or any of the people who has around him. Holder, Clinton, Biden, etc. They're all shifty and liars. I see nothing but the most evil people to walk the planet when I see them on TV.

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Actually, no, because my comment was very general and could apply to whichever name you would insert  

This thread has so much facepalm I'm giving myself a black eye.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"This thread has so much facepalm I'm giving myself a black eye.

Here's further proof that Obama is evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSXxB_FxLbQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSXxB_FxLbQ)

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Quote from: "humblesmurph"Slight confusion.  They thought you were referring to me, not Mr. Obama. I am HS.  If you really do believe what you post, I appreciate your honesty in posting it.  So many people hide their irrational thoughts for fear that they may make a bad impression.  Respectfully, I can't argue with your gut, or whatever logic that leads you to the conclusion that Mr. Obama is a Communist.   You are entitled to your opinion.

Ah, I thought it was some new way liberals worship the new Dear Leader. I think Obama is a socialist at the least. I also am wary of all the traveling he did as youngster with his muslim stepfather and brain dead mom. They went to some really Anti-American places. Makes me wonder if Obama wanted to become president of America to destroy it. Doing a great job at it right now. Spending all the money to help welfare riders out but honest hard-working joes like me get punished for not failing at life. Typical democrats for ya, help the lazy never do wells but forget the man who does keep a job and tax them out the yin-yang.

Again, I'll never trust him or any of the people who has around him. Holder, Clinton, Biden, etc. They're all shifty and liars. I see nothing but the most evil people to walk the planet when I see them on TV.

   Wow.  This is good.  Do you really believe this?  You sound a little like a comedic parody.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Yeah, a broken home is a cakewalk.  And being a Constitutional scholar isn't a real job fit to make a President.  I want someone who's been, I dunno, a ditch-digger.  Now that's man's work.

Also, given the fact that he spent much of his adult career helping poverty-stricken people, I'd say he's more qualified to comment on it than, say, you.

Boo hoo, I had a broken home growing up. It's only hard if you're a girly man who needs to express your feelings and crap. Real men just take it and move on, stoicism is the mark of a real man. Don't need a support group or none of that frilly crap. And I help poverty stricken people all the time. I tell them stop being lazy and get out of my way before I give them a reason to cry. People just need to harden up in life.

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"This thread has so much facepalm I'm giving myself a black eye.

Here's further proof that Obama is evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSXxB_FxLbQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSXxB_FxLbQ)

edit: click the link

nice

He's probably trolling, Big Mac is notorious for it, I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.

I got my own opinions about the whole thing but i'm reserving them until I know i'm arguing with sincere opinions and not some douche looking to incite a flame war for entertainment.

EditL NVM, watched the vid, epic troll indeed.

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Yeah, a broken home is a cakewalk.  And being a Constitutional scholar isn't a real job fit to make a President.  I want someone who's been, I dunno, a ditch-digger.  Now that's man's work.

Also, given the fact that he spent much of his adult career helping poverty-stricken people, I'd say he's more qualified to comment on it than, say, you.

Boo hoo, I had a broken home growing up. It's only hard if you're a girly man who needs to express your feelings and crap. Real men just take it and move on, stoicism is the mark of a real man. Don't need a support group or none of that frilly crap. And I help poverty stricken people all the time. I tell them stop being lazy and get out of my way before I give them a reason to cry. People just need to harden up in life.

Mac. You're just great! I do love your posts. Don't agree with them sometimes but I do love them.

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Yeah, a broken home is a cakewalk.  And being a Constitutional scholar isn't a real job fit to make a President.  I want someone who's been, I dunno, a ditch-digger.  Now that's man's work.

Also, given the fact that he spent much of his adult career helping poverty-stricken people, I'd say he's more qualified to comment on it than, say, you.

Boo hoo, I had a broken home growing up. It's only hard if you're a girly man who needs to express your feelings and crap. Real men just take it and move on, stoicism is the mark of a real man. Don't need a support group or none of that frilly crap. And I help poverty stricken people all the time. I tell them stop being lazy and get out of my way before I give them a reason to cry. People just need to harden up in life.

Mac. You're just great! I do love your posts. Don't agree with them sometimes but I do love them.

That was probably the honest one out of the lot. The others are obvious exaggerations of how I feel. I don't like Obama but he's not nearly as bad as Bush. His indecisiveness, while annoying at times, does keep him from going overboard. I just want to vote out the dems because I'm not liking where they've been going for the past few years.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Boo hoo, I had a broken home growing up. It's only hard if you're a girly man who needs to express your feelings and crap. Real men just take it and move on, stoicism is the mark of a real man. Don't need a support group or none of that frilly crap. And I help poverty stricken people all the time. I tell them stop being lazy and get out of my way before I give them a reason to cry. People just need to harden up in life.

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Actually, Obama's working much harder than you or I, I imagine; after all, he doesn't really have the time to shitpost in a forum, now does he?

Also, I have emphasized your lack of compassion because it helps to explain a lot of the horseshit you're posting.

eta:  Sorry, Whitney, for losing a little decorum.  I will try harder to ignore his tripe.

Quote from: "Big Mac"stoicism is the mark of a real man.

That, a sizeable erection, sports addiction, interest in cars and a job as like... Lumberjack or something...

Why would anyone want to be that, mewonder...  

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Boo hoo, I had a broken home growing up. It's only hard if you're a girly man who needs to express your feelings and crap. Real men just take it and move on, stoicism is the mark of a real man. Don't need a support group or none of that frilly crap. And I help poverty stricken people all the time. I tell them stop being lazy and get out of my way before I give them a reason to cry. People just need to harden up in life.

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Actually, Obama's working much harder than you or I, I imagine; after all, he doesn't really have the time to shitpost in a forum, now does he?

Also, I have emphasized your lack of compassion because it helps to explain a lot of the horseshit you're posting.

eta:  Sorry, Whitney, for losing a little decorum.  I will try harder to ignore his tripe.

You lost decorum? Dude, it's true. People are soft now. Everything is about how someone was insensitive, yadda yadda. We are a species that conquered the planet and are the only superpredator left. Now we have a bunch of nonsense about being nice all the time and not being aggressive ever.

To quote the late, great Johnny Cash: "This world is rough and if a man's gonna make it he's gotta be tough."

Now we have to worry about the rights of some homeless guy who stinks, drinks like a fish, and gets more government assistance than the guy who works for his money. Poor people need to help themselves. Not my problem.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"stoicism is the mark of a real man.

That, a sizeable erection, sports addiction, interest in cars and a job as like... Lumberjack or something...

Why would anyone want to be that, mewonder...  

Insecurities about themselves?

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Quote from: "Big Mac"stoicism is the mark of a real man.

That, a sizeable erection, sports addiction, interest in cars and a job as like... Lumberjack or something...

Why would anyone want to be that, mewonder...  

Insecurities about themselves?

I don't watch sports, cars are for getting from point A to point B, and I have a crappy job while I go to school.

I just don't like the sissy crap that is going on these days. Play nice, don't fight, blah blah. And the worst is "It's okay to cry." It's not if you are a boy. You are not to cry in front of others unless it's at a funeral or something. People need to harden up to the harsh reality that is life.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Now we have to worry about the rights of some homeless guy who stinks, drinks like a fish, and gets more government assistance than the guy who works for his money. Poor people need to help themselves. Not my problem.

Yeah. A large portion of my tax money is, in stead of being used on infrastructure, education and the like, being used to feed the prisoners, who don't have to work one day for their meals, pay rent for those who are too lazy to earn their own cash and help kids in like... Some country I couldn't even point to on a map because the poor buggers starve. Uh... Reality check: a good road to the neighbouring town is far more important to me than a bunch of half-dead kids in a country where families have dozens of them. And if that makes me a selfish bastard, well, so be it. I just think we can fix what needs fixing at home before we start fixing others - even if they are worse off.

Quote from: "Big Mac"And the worst is "It's okay to cry." It's not if you are a boy. You are not to cry in front of others unless it's at a funeral or something. People need to harden up to the harsh reality that is life.

Hard shatters. Strong endures. And strong people may cry all they want

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Now we have to worry about the rights of some homeless guy who stinks, drinks like a fish, and gets more government assistance than the guy who works for his money. Poor people need to help themselves. Not my problem.

Yeah. A large portion of my tax money is, in stead of being used on infrastructure, education and the like, being used to feed the prisoners, who don't have to work one day for their meals, pay rent for those who are too lazy to earn their own cash and help kids in like... Some country I couldn't even point to on a map because the poor buggers starve. Uh... Reality check: a good road to the neighbouring town is far more important to me than a bunch of half-dead kids in a country where families have dozens of them. And if that makes me a selfish bastard, well, so be it. I just think we can fix what needs fixing at home before we start fixing others - even if they are worse off.

Amen to that. I say we stop sending aid to other countries. They will always hate us. Let's just let them starve. Food is a weapon, didn't you guys remember the WWII posters? I say let them start starving and when they come begging for help from the US, we tell them we will help if they let us annex them. That's how I'd do it. We could also just make prisoners become labor again like they did before. They don't need exercise equipment, just make them work a chain gang for 10 hours.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"And the worst is "It's okay to cry." It's not if you are a boy. You are not to cry in front of others unless it's at a funeral or something. People need to harden up to the harsh reality that is life.

Hard shatters. Strong endures. And strong people may cry all they want

Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Now we have to worry about the rights of some homeless guy who stinks, drinks like a fish, and gets more government assistance than the guy who works for his money. Poor people need to help themselves. Not my problem.

Yeah. A large portion of my tax money is, in stead of being used on infrastructure, education and the like, being used to feed the prisoners, who don't have to work one day for their meals, pay rent for those who are too lazy to earn their own cash and help kids in like... Some country I couldn't even point to on a map because the poor buggers starve. Uh... Reality check: a good road to the neighbouring town is far more important to me than a bunch of half-dead kids in a country where families have dozens of them. And if that makes me a selfish bastard, well, so be it. I just think we can fix what needs fixing at home before we start fixing others - even if they are worse off.

Yes, this does make you a selfish bastard.  But a funny one.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

Crying is ok as long as you allow yourself to bend every now and then. If you do not - you are hard, not strong. And there is just a small step from hard to brittle. And when hard people shatter, they tend to cry a lot harder than the genuinely strong ones ever do.

Just for the sake of pointing to a flaw in the quote though: Weak cry, strong thrive, eh..? A baby is born. If it doesn't cry, it is likely to go dead on you unless it starts soon... Since it's like... Not breething and stuff. And air, it's important, or so I'm told. Even more so than love... Or so I hear. If it does cry shortly after birth though, all is considered well and good... Except for the fact that there is one more brat in the world.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

Crying is ok as long as you allow yourself to bend every now and then. If you do not - you are hard, not strong. And there is just a small step from hard to brittle. And when hard people shatter, they tend to cry a lot harder than the genuinely strong ones ever do.

Just for the sake of pointing to a flaw in the quote though: Weak cry, strong thrive, eh..? A baby is born. If it doesn't cry, it is likely to go dead on you unless it starts soon... Since it's like... Not breething and stuff. And air, it's important, or so I'm told. Even more so than love... Or so I hear. If it does cry shortly after birth though, all is considered well and good... Except for the fact that there is one more brat in the world.

I'm no stoic.  I get moved emotionally just like the next guy.  I don't cry though.  Not a conscious decision or anything, I just don't do it.  I don't make any assumptions about a man that occasionally sheds a tear when he's kicked square in the jewels or his dog dies.  However, I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

Crying is ok as long as you allow yourself to bend every now and then. If you do not - you are hard, not strong. And there is just a small step from hard to brittle. And when hard people shatter, they tend to cry a lot harder than the genuinely strong ones ever do.

Just for the sake of pointing to a flaw in the quote though: Weak cry, strong thrive, eh..? A baby is born. If it doesn't cry, it is likely to go dead on you unless it starts soon... Since it's like... Not breething and stuff. And air, it's important, or so I'm told. Even more so than love... Or so I hear. If it does cry shortly after birth though, all is considered well and good... Except for the fact that there is one more brat in the world.

I'm no stoic.  I get moved emotionally just like the next guy.  I don't cry though.  Not a conscious decision or anything, I just don't do it.  I don't make any assumptions about a man that occasionally sheds a tear when he's kicked square in the jewels or his dog dies.  However, I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

Emotions are like cows....kill them and eat them.

Quote from: "humblesmurph"I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

I try not to judge someone elses barn too much when my own roof is leaky, but men or women, I DO snicker when they go all weepy over not getting laid by their dream-whatever or about the dream-whatever turning up to be anything but that "dream" part. I don't know why, I just lack compassion when it comes to other people's lovelife. (Cases of loved ones' death or severe injury excluded)

Quote from: "Big Mac"stoicism is the mark of a real man.

That, a sizeable erection, sports addiction, interest in cars and a job as like... Lumberjack or something...

Why would anyone want to be that, mewonder...  [/quote]

Insecurities about themselves?[/quote]

I don't watch sports, cars are for getting from point A to point B, and I have a crappy job while I go to school.

I just don't like the sissy crap that is going on these days. Play nice, don't fight, blah blah. And the worst is "It's okay to cry." It's not if you are a boy. You are not to cry in front of others unless it's at a funeral or something. People need to harden up to the harsh reality that is life.[/quote]

You know, my dad was raised on that mentality, he's tough and strong but he's also a fucked up emotional wreck and an alcoholic all because he was raised to think that men can't have any emotions that could be seen as feminine or wasn't some barbaric display of manliness, it's a draconic frame of mind that is typically incompatible with the modern world. I used to be beat up routinely because he didn't know how to handle his emotions and instead raged out on others because he didn't know how to handle them.  The only people who talk like that are either had a fucked up child hood, like my Dad or are incredibly insecure about themselves that they need to display their masculinity for everyone to see.

Seeing as how my dad was raised like that, I was as well however my mom came from a very different family where it's okay to cry and be emotional, you don't have to routinely beat your chest and so she instilled that in me as well despite my dad acting like an animal half the time. My mother's brothers, my uncles are tough men despite being raised with all those things that make people "soft" AKA human. My Dad is currently unemployed and can't find work, he's been looking for a long time but it's not happening while on the other hand, my Uncle has been working and held a job since he was 17 and at one point ran a successful chain of restaurants, he sold them and is still making good money and working hard despite growing up being told to always let it out and cry when he needed to.

According to my mom both of them, like most boys at a young age cried their butts off but as they got older and were taught how to let out their emotion instead of holding it in for decades they cried less and less as they got older. I've seen my Dad break down in tears at least six times in my life and when he did, he broke down. I've only seen my uncle cry once and that was because we thought my great grandmother might've died. All that be a man crap is bullshit and only leads to seriously twisted people and/or people that are hurting really bad on the inside and don't know how to deal with their emotions. Just because you don't show it on the outside doesn't mean it isn't there. I used to be a major cry baby too and I will cry when I need to let it out but I can't remember the last time I cried and that isn't because my Dad beat the living crap out of me trying to make me into a man, it was because my mom nurtured me and taught me how to deal with my emotions.

However, I do agree with one sentiment, the PC crap is grating and is in many ways the same problem as the chest beating and male insecurities, just a different type, if people can't curse somebody out on TV or let out that they think somebody is retarded doesn't mean it isn't there, it's just hidden but it festers and becomes worse instead of society getting it off their chest. I think Limbaugh should be able to say all the racist crap he wants, if republicans want literally tell all the people who have fallen on hard times and can't get out of their rut anytime soon to fuck off then they should be able to.

The welfare problem isn't directly the result of people being too lazy to go out and look for work. My dad goes to that laborcore thing every single day and so do a lot of other people who can't find work. There will always be those who abuse the system but most people on welfare are on it because they truly are in a terrible position to find work or they are simply disabled.  If you think taxes are bad then you don't belong in America or any other civilized country for that matter, you should consider moving to Somalia, they don't pay taxes there, you get what you get as a direct result of your hard work. That's what you want right?

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Quote from: "humblesmurph"I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

I try not to judge someone elses barn too much when my own roof is leaky, but men or women, I DO snicker when they go all weepy over not getting laid by their dream-whatever or about the dream-whatever turning up to be anything but that "dream" part. I don't know why, I just lack compassion when it comes to other people's lovelife. (Cases of loved ones' death or severe injury excluded)

Pain from physical injury should be taken like a man. Remember that one scene from Platoon: "TAKE THE PAIN!!! TAKE THE PAIN!!!"

Why cry about it? It won't stop it from hurting. Be a man a take it like a man.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"You know, my dad was raised on that mentality, he's tough and strong but he's also a fucked up emotional wreck and an alcoholic all because he was raised to think that men can't have any emotions that could be seen as feminine or wasn't some barbaric display of manliness, it's a draconic frame of mind that is typically incompatible with the modern world. I used to be beat up routinely because he didn't know how to handle his emotions and instead raged out on others because he didn't know how to handle them.  The only people who talk like that are either had a fucked up child hood, like my Dad or are incredibly insecure about themselves that they need to display their masculinity for everyone to see.

Seeing as how my dad was raised like that, I was as well however my mom came from a very different family where it's okay to cry and be emotional, you don't have to routinely beat your chest and so she instilled that in me as well despite my dad acting like an animal half the time. My mother's brothers, my uncles are tough men despite being raised with all those things that make people "soft" AKA human. My Dad is currently unemployed and can't find work, he's been looking for a long time but it's not happening while on the other hand, my Uncle has been working and held a job since he was 17 and at one point ran a successful chain of restaurants, he sold them and is still making good money and working hard despite growing up being told to always let it out and cry when he needed to.

According to my mom both of them, like most boys at a young age cried their butts off but as they got older and were taught how to let out their emotion instead of holding it in for decades they cried less and less as they got older. I've seen my Dad break down in tears at least six times in my life and when he did, he broke down. I've only seen my uncle cry once and that was because we thought my great grandmother might've died. All that be a man crap is bullshit and only leads to seriously twisted people and/or people that are hurting really bad on the inside and don't know how to deal with their emotions. Just because you don't show it on the outside doesn't mean it isn't there. I used to be a major cry baby too and I will cry when I need to let it out but I can't remember the last time I cried and that isn't because my Dad beat the living crap out of me trying to make me into a man, it was because my mom nurtured me and taught me how to deal with my emotions.

However, I do agree with one sentiment, the PC crap is grating and is in many ways the same problem as the chest beating and male insecurities, just a different type, if people can't curse somebody out on TV or let out that they think somebody is retarded doesn't mean it isn't there, it's just hidden but it festers and becomes worse instead of society getting it off their chest. I think Limbaugh should be able to say all the racist crap he wants, if republicans want literally tell all the people who have fallen on hard times and can't get out of their rut anytime soon to fuck off then they should be able to.

The welfare problem isn't directly the result of people being too lazy to go out and look for work. My dad goes to that laborcore thing every single day and so do a lot of other people who can't find work. There will always be those who abuse the system but most people on welfare are on it because they truly are in a terrible position to find work or they are simply disabled.  If you think taxes are bad then you don't belong in America or any other civilized country for that matter, you should consider moving to Somalia, they don't pay taxes there, you get what you get as a direct result of your hard work. That's what you want right?

No, I just don't like my tax money helping the lazy people of American anymore. I say let people not get food stamps or free medical. I say we just let the chips fall where they will and move on. No one helps me out and I do just fine, others can do it too.

And your dad sounds like an alright guy. I never cry at anything. Crying doesn't solve anything. When life throws me problems I laugh like a maniac and kill them off like a man.

Nothing gonna break my stride...oh no..I got to keep on moving!!!

Quote from: "Big Mac"Pain from physical injury should be taken like a man. Remember that one scene from Platoon: "TAKE THE PAIN!!! TAKE THE PAIN!!!"

Why cry about it? It won't stop it from hurting. Be a man a take it like a man.

Why? There ARE pain killers. Take me, for instance... I COULD have gritted my teeth through my kidney stone, but I chose Voltaren in stead and, in stead of being miserable, I watched Pirates of the Caribbean and munched on hospital food once they let me have some. Time far better spent than by "taking it like a man", which would just be a pointless display of... What exactly..? The size of my penis..? They saw that when they inserted a foley cath. (Had anaesthetics for that too, btw.   )

I was refering to compassion towards those around a severely injured person or that person him/her-self, however. While having near-none in most cases of shit happening between people who love each other, I can sympathise with that last cathegory.

If you think my dad is an alright guy then you're just as fucked up as he is(as much as I love him).  I don't see how routinely beating up your son like he stole something from you is "alright".

You're probably trolling again and while you are no doubt a master of it, it's annoying, this isn't 4Chan.

sorry ultima I skimmed through your post. I tend to do that because usually you say im an asshole and shit. flattery only gets you so far. sounds like your dad takes it too far. I would never cry over stuff unless its major like a relative died. sorry your pops hit you. that is wrong.

I don't normally cry so I am confused why anyone would want to be so weak and blubbery about crap. I got two main emotions, anger and sleep. all I need to get by in my life. no emotional baggage on me. I have carry on instead all that crap.

just how I am. emotions are annoying and to me a display of weakness and vulnerability.

I don't really know what happened to this thread, but I thought I'd share some more Bikini graph info (http://www.blogforarizona.com/blog/2010/09/yes-virginia-there-is-an-economic-recovery.html) for some input. Was somebody trying to claim earlier that this was misleading?

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Quote from: "jduster"He is not a muslim and he was born in the United States, BUT he is awful president.

There is a gap between what he said and what he does.  

The voters were fooled by a politician [as usual], feckless, callow, and laden with glib promises.

He tried to distance himself from Bush during the campaign, but he ended up continuing many of Bush's policies, because he realized they were necessary.

He campaigned on an anti-war platform, noting bracelet that a woman gave him after saying "please don't let another mother go through what I am going through".  He said it was stupid to give aid to a country with a $10 billion surplus.  He promised to withdraw the troops in 16 months.

He didn't do that.  He withdrew at a slower rate; the same rate Bush wanted to withdraw at.

There is only two paths of policy to be taken during the war:
keep the troops in long enough to win or don't fight at all.

There is no middle ground.

His withdrawal plan in Afghanistan is unfeasible (General Patraes said it would take years to get out of Afghanistan) and comparable to the failed policy of Vietnamization.

Unless politicians have a crystal ball, if they do let me know, it is impossible to make future decisions based on the conditions of the present.

His stimulus package was too expensive, too slow, and failed to stimulate the economy.

The Obama administration is the most unaccountable administration in history, rife with wasteful spending.  He signed a 2,000 pg health care bill; we all don't know what is hiding in its crevices.  He signed a 2,000 pg wall street reform bill; none of us know exactly what is inside.  He signed a $26 billion dollar bill without a name; we don't know exactly what is in it.  This is the most fiscally irresponsible administration in the nations history, driving the country over $2 trillion in debt in just 16 months.

Voting for Obama seemed like the right thing at the time.  Bush was the devil who single-handedly destroyed the economy, McCain is a war-hawk and a copy of Bush, the War in Iraq is stupid, and we're going to have our first African American president.  But some people only have a history span of 8 years and a vision of the future which doesn't go past 2 1/2 months.

Eventually, he's going to have to stop scapegoating Bush, who was a far better president in my opinion, and take responsibility for his own actions.

BETTER THAN BUSH

Quote from: "Draconicstarz88"BETTER THAN BUSH

To be fair, only 5 U.S. presidents in all of history have been deemed "Worse than Bush."

Quote from: "KebertX"

Quote from: "Draconicstarz88"BETTER THAN BUSH

To be fair, only 5 U.S. presidents in all of history have been deemed "Worse than Bush."

I'd like to know who.  I might beg to differ.

Quote from: "PoopShoot"

Quote from: "KebertX"

Quote from: "Draconicstarz88"BETTER THAN BUSH

To be fair, only 5 U.S. presidents in all of history have been deemed "Worse than Bush."

I'd like to know who.  I might beg to differ.

Obama would be on the top of that list. What a pansy girly boy of a pres.

Quote from: "PoopShoot"

Quote from: "KebertX"

Quote from: "Draconicstarz88"BETTER THAN BUSH

To be fair, only 5 U.S. presidents in all of history have been deemed "Worse than Bush."

I'd like to know who.  I might beg to differ.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5029204.ece

The Top 5 Worst Presidents of all time:

5) Richard Nixon

4) William Harrison

3) Martin Van Buren

2) Franklin Pierce

1) James Buchanan

George W. Bush ranked #6

Richard Nixon was a great President! Look at the humanitarian work he did in Cambodia!

Quote from: "Big Mac"

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"

Quote from: "Big Mac"Boo hoo, I had a broken home growing up. It's only hard if you're a girly man who needs to express your feelings and crap. Real men just take it and move on, stoicism is the mark of a real man. Don't need a support group or none of that frilly crap. And I help poverty stricken people all the time. I tell them stop being lazy and get out of my way before I give them a reason to cry. People just need to harden up in life.

[emphasis added]

Actually, Obama's working much harder than you or I, I imagine; after all, he doesn't really have the time to shitpost in a forum, now does he?

Also, I have emphasized your lack of compassion because it helps to explain a lot of the horseshit you're posting.

eta:  Sorry, Whitney, for losing a little decorum.  I will try harder to ignore his tripe.

You lost decorum? Dude, it's true. People are soft now. Everything is about how someone was insensitive, yadda yadda. We are a species that conquered the planet and are the only superpredator left. Now we have a bunch of nonsense about being nice all the time and not being aggressive ever.

To quote the late, great Johnny Cash: "This world is rough and if a man's gonna make it he's gotta be tough."

Now we have to worry about the rights of some homeless guy who stinks, drinks like a fish, and gets more government assistance than the guy who works for his money. Poor people need to help themselves. Not my problem.

I actually agree with quite a bit of this.  My point stands, though.  We'll see if you can get it, or if you need it spelled out.

Also, my apology about decorum was directed at Whitney for disrespecting her forum, not at you for disrespecting you.

Quote from: "KebertX"The Top 5 Worst Presidents of all time:

...

George W. Bush ranked #6

On that list, GW neds to be #1.

Quote1) James Buchanan

Who was he and why was he bad..? I believe I've heard all the other names somewhere...

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"I actually agree with quite a bit of this.  My point stands, though.  We'll see if you can get it, or if you need it spelled out.

Also, my apology about decorum was directed at Whitney for disrespecting her forum, not at you for disrespecting you.

Don't worry, over time it gets easier to glean over his drivel.

Quote from: "karadan"

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"I actually agree with quite a bit of this.  My point stands, though.  We'll see if you can get it, or if you need it spelled out.

Also, my apology about decorum was directed at Whitney for disrespecting her forum, not at you for disrespecting you.

Don't worry, over time it gets easier to glean over his drivel.

It's not me not getting him that gives me pause.

Quote from: "Asmodean"

Quote1) James Buchanan

Who was he and why was he bad..? I believe I've heard all the other names somewhere...

He was the 15th president.  Probably our first gay one as well.  He directly preceded Ab Lincoln.

Quote from: "karadan"Don't worry, over time it gets easier to glean over his drivel.

Haha dummy, you misspelled drive.

Quote from: "PoopShoot"

Quote from: "KebertX"The Top 5 Worst Presidents of all time:

...

George W. Bush ranked #6

On that list, GW neds to be #1.

I could see Bush as the worst 2 term president ever, but not absolute worst.  Things are bad, but not that bad.  Not Civil War bad.  Not Great Depression bad.  He has to be ahead of Hoover in my book.  Garfield couldn't have done much either since he died less than a year after being sworn in.

Quote from: "humblesmurph"I could see Bush as the worst 2 term president ever, but not absolute worst.  Things are bad, but not that bad.  Not Civil War bad.  Not Great Depression bad.  He has to be ahead of Hoover in my book.  Garfield couldn't have done much either since he died less than a year after being sworn in.

At least he entertains us and reminded us why we shouldn't give the Federal government so much power. But I can't keep talking as I'm now being watched by the NSA and FBI for my crazy ideas.

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Hardingwas the worst in terms of integrity.  Grant was the second-worst in that regard.

Herbert Hoover, for economic bungling.

LBJ, for foreign policy stupidity.  Bush II, mighty close second.

Taft isn't on there? Wasn't he the guy who helped people coin the term "lame duck" president?

And he got his ass stuck in a tub. That's just hilarious.

Quote from: "Big Mac"

Quote from: "karadan"Don't worry, over time it gets easier to glean over his drivel.

Haha dummy, you misspelled drive.

 lol

At least I got you to laugh, K.

Quote from: "Big Mac"At least I got you to laugh, K.

Well, it was pretty funny, along with your two emotions being sleep and anger.
Not that i'd want to massage your ego or anything, just that, taking you less seriously seems to be the key here.  

Quote from: "humblesmurph"He was the 15th president.  Probably our first gay one as well.  He directly preceded Ab Lincoln.

A..!

Wait, wouldn't a gay president be awesome-cool-like..?   Oh, what do I know...

Quote from: "karadan"

Quote from: "Big Mac"At least I got you to laugh, K.

Well, it was pretty funny, along with your two emotions being sleep and anger.
Not that i'd want to massage your ego or anything, just that, taking you less seriously seems to be the key here.  

Indeed, it helps. My friends IRL rarely take me seriously when I joke around. It's actually a lot funnier in person because I can convey the sarcastic tone a lot better than on printed word.

Anyways, I think Obama is just not cut out to be a president. It's not that he's stupid. Only a fool would judge him to be so, he's just too soft on his opponents. Not to mention he's so thin skinned. He cried about conservative media bashing him but Bush put up with that stuff for nearly a decade (he still does have shit thrown at him) and you didn't see him cry. That's my biggest problem, he needs to just ignore the detractors. That's the trouble him and the dems keep running into when it comes to passing bills.

People with a conscience tend to take notice of detractors.

Wow, Bic Mac perma-banned.

That has to be a record for this forum. A four-year member bites the dust.

Can't say i'll miss the guy.

Quote from: "Big Mac"At least I got you to laugh, K.

I wasn't laughing at any stage.
If he was merely adopting the guise of a right wing loon, it didn't work.
He didn't portray any humorous contradictions or foolishness.
His character just seemed sociopathic to me, not funny.
I couldn't work out how such a long time member could be such a dick.

Quote from: "Big Mac"

Quote from: "karadan"

Quote from: "Big Mac"At least I got you to laugh, K.

Well, it was pretty funny, along with your two emotions being sleep and anger.
Not that i'd want to massage your ego or anything, just that, taking you less seriously seems to be the key here.  :raised:

Quote from: "karadan"Wow, Bic Mac perma-banned.

That has to be a record for this forum. A four-year member bites the dust.

Can't say i'll miss the guy.

banned? why? I'll miss him, he made me laugh out loud.  Anybody know what forum he calls home?

Quote from: "humblesmurph"banned? why? I'll miss him, he made me laugh out loud.  Anybody know what forum he calls home?

He'd be welcome at TAF.

I certainly object to BigMac's permaban.  Like Terry Bradshaw, he said some stupid shit, but he was never boring.

Anyone who knows how to reach him has my permission to give him this eMail addy:  thumpalumpacus@yahoo.com.

If you saw Obama's speech today then you know it looks like Obama the campaigner is back... with fightin' words!

Quote from: "Obama"If I say the sky is blue... they say no. If I say fish swim in the sea.... they say no.

Can't find a video of it online yet. EDIT: Found it (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/06/obama-promotes-job-creati_n_706652.html). The HuffPo's good for something after all.

I figured he was up to something....

Quote from: "PoopShoot"

Quote from: "humblesmurph"banned? why? I'll miss him, he made me laugh out loud.  Anybody know what forum he calls home?

He'd be welcome at TAF.

What does that stand for?

Quote from: "Sophus"If you saw Obama's speech today then you know it looks like Obama the campaigner is back... with fightin' words!

Quote from: "Obama"If I say the sky is blue... they say no. If I say fish swim in the sea.... they say no.

Can't find a video of it online yet.

I figured he was up to something....

Quote from: "PoopShoot"

Quote from: "humblesmurph"banned? why? I'll miss him, he made me laugh out loud.  Anybody know what forum he calls home?

He'd be welcome at TAF.

What does that stand for?

Answered via PM

Today, the Dem's basically said they're preparing to open up a can of Whoop-Assâ,,¢.

QuoteSince May, we've been focused on an unprecedented push to elect Democrats who will fight alongside President Obama.

Quote from: "Sophus"Today, the Dem's basically said they're preparing to open up a can of Whoop-Assâ,,¢.

QuoteSince May, we've been focused on an unprecedented push to elect Democrats who will fight alongside President Obama.

As much as I would prefer a democratic congress, that can of Whoop-Assâ,,¢ may have expired. What can the Dems do now short of slashing the unemployment percentage? midterms are only 2 months from now, unless they do the Bush "hater's gonna hate" move and actually begin agreeing with one another like the Republicans do I doubt the dems will be able to do much.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"

Quote from: "Sophus"Today, the Dem's basically said they're preparing to open up a can of Whoop-Assâ,,¢.

QuoteSince May, we've been focused on an unprecedented push to elect Democrats who will fight alongside President Obama.

wtf

Quote from: "Sophus"The TeaBaggers had a HUGE day today. Holy $#%@!!! A racist-sexist-porn-emailing-pro-beastiality candidate whom wants to send unemployed people to camps to learn hygiene, and an über retarded anti-masturbation candidate won their primaries.

I look forward to some interesting stories from Camp Hygienic Bestiality.

It's times like this I wish I were a campaign manager.  The Air Force phrase was a "target-rich environment."

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"

Quote from: "Sophus"The TeaBaggers had a HUGE day today. Holy $#%@!!! A racist-sexist-porn-emailing-pro-beastiality candidate whom wants to send unemployed people to camps to learn hygiene, and an über retarded anti-masturbation candidate won their primaries.

I look forward to some interesting stories from Camp Hygienic Bestiality.

Its name is actually the Dignity Corps. (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/09/carl-paladinos-dignity-corps-t.html)

I did forget that teabaggers are winning primaries, perhaps there is hope after all.

I did forget that teabaggers are winning primaries, perhaps there is hope after all.

Quote from: "Sophus"Its name is actually the Dignity Corps. (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/09/carl-paladinos-dignity-corps-t.html)

I think I might start collecting Orwellian phrases.

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"

Quote from: "Sophus"Its name is actually the Dignity Corps. (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/09/carl-paladinos-dignity-corps-t.html)

I think I might start collecting Orwellian phrases.

American politics are chock full of'em.

Quote from: "elliebean"[strike:1rkfzkbc]American[/strike:1rkfzkbc] politics are chock full of'em.

Euphemisms are the international language of politics.

If you've got the IQ points to spare, read this (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/175/669/I,_Geir_Smith,_am_the_only_honest_person_in_the_world_fighting_the_Antichrist_Obama..html).

Quote from: "Sophus"Today, the Dem's basically said they're preparing to open up a can of Whoop-Assâ,,¢.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv-L_UEYtNo

Obama, the only ass kicking president in history.

We need to get epic beard man in '12.  THAT would be an ass-kicking president.  We would have to get the president's motorcade to include an amberlamps.

Quote from: "PoopShoot"If you've got the IQ points to spare, read this (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/175/669/I,_Geir_Smith,_am_the_only_honest_person_in_the_world_fighting_the_Antichrist_Obama..html).

laughing still Jats wades in here then "...now if someone like that came here we would all be crying 'troll' yet amazingly these people are for real, though funnier still were some of the comments at the bottom of that article..." and Jats wonders who here will admit to making them, or be tempted to add to them now "...but back to Obama tho, and as a Brit here looking in, it has been a real eye opener to see the level of hate aimed at your new president particularly considering the state the last bozo left you in, yet its often the way as empires decline, we Brits should know all about that, so you better get used to it with your trillion dollar debt, and printing even more dollars is not going to get you out of this one, just devaluing the dollar even more, though I think you should get behind the free health care and more welfare bills, as a lot more of you are going to be needing it, unless they get you building Dams again, but, despite the mess you are in, America will go on despite what lies ahead, if only because of its unswerving blind patriotism, no matter what then..."

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QuoteObama is the Hideous Beast of the Bible who will bring about the Apocalypse by being revealed in his gruesome reality to the whole wide world.

Aren't all we fundamentalists supposed to be looking forward to the apocalypse?
I know I am.
Is it not written god will come and take us to heaven shortly after?
You can't deny this article has proven Obama to be Satan.
So you better keep electing him until god turns up.

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"

QuoteObama is the Hideous Beast of the Bible who will bring about the Apocalypse by being revealed in his gruesome reality to the whole wide world.

Aren't all we fundamentalists supposed to be looking forward to the apocalypse?
I know I am.
Is it not written god will come and take us to heaven shortly after?
You can't deny this article has proven Obama to be Satan.
So you better keep electing him until god turns up.

God's got six years, I hope he can keep a deadline.

Why did Big Mac get banned?  Did he just push it too far somewhere or what?

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"

QuoteObama is the Hideous Beast of the Bible who will bring about the Apocalypse by being revealed in his gruesome reality to the whole wide world.

Aren't all we fundamentalists supposed to be looking forward to the apocalypse?
I know I am.
Is it not written god will come and take us to heaven shortly after?
You can't deny this article has proven Obama to be Satan.
So you better keep electing him until god turns up.

God's got six years, I hope he can keep a deadline.

Obama is a man with good intentions, his fight is against those in the Senate who want to oppose every change he needs to make. Namely the Republicans.  :)

I didn't vote, I was either too young still or I forgot to sign up... I forget which.

Anyway I would have voted for Kent Mesplay, or possibly one of the other Green Partiers.

I don't get into politics much, I just keep track so I know when to run back to Canada...

Quote from: "MilkyWay"

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"God's got six years, I hope he can keep a deadline.

Obama is a man with good intentions, his fight is against those in the Senate who want to oppose every change he needs to make. Namely the Republicans.  :)

You should read most posts of mine with sardonicism, if not outright sarcasm.

I'm sorry..but a lot of these posts seem to assume that just because Obama is the president that he can just snap his fingers and make everything ok.  Of all the policy makers in our government, the president has the same or more red tape to get through.  We have this nifty thing called checks and balances.  The promises he has not been able to make good on yet aren't necessarily his fault.  An economy as complex as ours is going to take years to "fix".  I say "fix" because you can't undo 30 years of wall street shenanigans.

If anything's broken, it's the Senate. Did you know a Senator can put an anonymous hold on any piece of legislation for any period of time? It's insane. Not only that, but 41 Senators can prevent the majority from passing anything via filibuster.

Quote from: "Will"If anything's broken, it's the Senate. Did you know a Senator can put an anonymous hold on any piece of legislation for any period of time? It's insane. Not only that, but 41 Senators can prevent the majority from passing anything via filibuster.

Yes and no...but it's considered bad form to anonymously hold a bill.  Everyone gossips just like the playground, and it's kind of akin to a cop ratting out another cop.  They won't be trusted again.

Quote from: "PoopShoot"If you've got the IQ points to spare, read this (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/175/669/I,_Geir_Smith,_am_the_only_honest_person_in_the_world_fighting_the_Antichrist_Obama..html).

I think that might be a parody. His comments below are too crazy to be serious (i hope).

Quote from: "karadan"

Quote from: "PoopShoot"If you've got the IQ points to spare, read this (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/175/669/I,_Geir_Smith,_am_the_only_honest_person_in_the_world_fighting_the_Antichrist_Obama..html).

I think that might be a parody. His comments below are too crazy to be serious (i hope).

If it is a fake, it's a damned dedicated one.  It's not his only piece and he spams youtube videos and political sites boobquake style.