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Some of you had suggested in the "Barack Obama" thread that perhaps the extreme conservatives only appear to have the upper hand right now because they are louder. However, under the Democratic leadership FOX News' ratings are thriving (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/media/30cnn.html?_r=1) while CNN, a much less opinionated and much more honest station, is doing quite poorly. If their ratings are growing, are the converting more people over to their nonsense? Making more otherwise middle of the road folks or more rational Republicans into extremists?

The conservatives may stick to the same old medium, progressives move to new media.

I wonder how Rupert Murdoch justifies Fox to himself, are the dollars enough?
I don't think he is a right wing at all costs person, but he runs this ugly thing.

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"The conservatives may stick to the same old medium, progressives move to new media.

I wonder how Rupert Murdoch justifies Fox to himself, are the dollars enough?
I don't think he is a right wing at all costs person, but he runs this ugly thing.

If there really is a soul, Rupert Murdoch sold his years ago. The man has utterly no moral fibre whatsoever.

Quote from: "Sophus"Some of you had suggested in the "Barack Obama" thread that perhaps the extreme conservatives only appear to have the upper hand right now because they are louder. However, under the Democratic leadership FOX News' ratings are thriving (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/media/30cnn.html?_r=1) while CNN, a much less opinionated and much more honest station, is doing quite poorly. If their ratings are growing, are the converting more people over to their nonsense? Making more otherwise middle of the road folks or more rational Republicans into extremists?

It's not really surprising, to me.  Conservatives will be more disaffected under a Democratic Presidency.  Given that people of all political persuasions tend to prefer inputs that comfort and not challenge their own views -- and given that television is an easily accessible media that doesn't demand activism on the part of viewers, it seems normal that their ratings should be growing now, just as the membership of the ACLU grew by 170,000 members during the Bush Administration.

Polarization tends to benefit the poles.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Polarization tends to benefit the poles.

...especially when the system doesn't have enough czecks.

Sorry.  

Did anyone else's local FOX News network announce this morning that we may be in for a "double dipping recession"? I did a to see what they were talking about but found this instead: (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703959704575453262066267690.html)

QuoteJobless Claims Fall More Than Expected
New claims for jobless benefits by U.S. workers fell by 31,000 last week to 473,000, marking the first decline in a month.
The unemployment rate in the United States still stands at 9.5 percent and economists have suggested that growth has stalled, predicting more of the same in the coming months.

Is FOX making stuff up again or what?

I read something about another housing crash that could possibly happen if the economy doesn't start adding jobs soon.  It was on MSNBC but I can't seem to find it now.  It was more of a theoretical what if article than an all out gloom and doom.  But I'm still skeptical about any recovery anytime soon, call it gut feeling from what we've seen out here, it's going to be a loooooooong while before home sales go up again.

Yeah, sales of existing homes fell 27%, it was announced yesterday, and new home sales were announced this morning to be collapsing too.

Talk of a double dip recession seems to have been fairly constant since the first crash.
Don't they talk about it over there?
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&s ... gle+Search (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=double+dip+recession&btnG=Google+Search)

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Polarization tends to benefit the poles.

...especially when the system doesn't have enough czecks.

Sorry.  :hide2:

I lol´d

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Polarization tends to benefit the poles.

...especially when the system doesn't have enough czecks.

Sorry.  

Gosh, now I'm Hungary for punnery.

Found this a couple of minutes ago:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38871203/ns ... he_economy (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38871203/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy)

Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"Talk of a double dip recession seems to have been fairly constant since the first crash.

CBC (canada) was talking about it on their international news podcast today....they basically said there is a chance that once the gov stimulus funds run out that things could slide down again if further stimulus isn't used.  I think it has a lot to do with trust in the market and getting those with the money to spend it; and they are probably waiting on the nov elections and won't spend if the dem's do well (as most rich people tend to be republicans because that party favors the rich).  It's like self fulfilling prophecy...the repubs will get voted in, the economy will "magically" go up and they'll say "SEE, we told you so" when really they were the cause all along due to their fear-mongering.

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Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"Talk of a double dip recession seems to have been fairly constant since the first crash.

CBC (canada) was talking about it on their international news podcast today....they basically said there is a chance that once the gov stimulus funds run out that things could slide down again if further stimulus isn't used.  I think it has a lot to do with trust in the market and getting those with the money to spend it; and they are probably waiting on the nov elections and won't spend if the dem's do well (as most rich people tend to be republicans because that party favors the rich).  It's like self fulfilling prophecy...the repubs will get voted in, the economy will "magically" go up and they'll say "SEE, we told you so" when really they were the cause all along due to their fear-mongering.

It's a never ending cycle. If Obama and the democrats would let their balls descend and go all out with policy they could probably fix alot of these problems but they don't.

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Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"Talk of a double dip recession seems to have been fairly constant since the first crash.

CBC (canada) was talking about it on their international news podcast today....they basically said there is a chance that once the gov stimulus funds run out that things could slide down again if further stimulus isn't used.  I think it has a lot to do with trust in the market and getting those with the money to spend it; and they are probably waiting on the nov elections and won't spend if the dem's do well (as most rich people tend to be republicans because that party favors the rich).  It's like self fulfilling prophecy...the repubs will get voted in, the economy will "magically" go up and they'll say "SEE, we told you so" when really they were the cause all along due to their fear-mongering.

It's a never ending cycle. If Obama and the democrats would let their balls descend and go all out with policy they could probably fix alot of these problems but they don't. It's going to take a president on par with the likes of JFK to actually do something and I don't think that we will ever get that with the current generation of politicians. If the current congress doesn't turn the country into a shithole i'm sure the next generation of politicians, democratic or republican will prove to be far more competent than what we have today and we may even see real presidents again.

Quote from: "Sophus"Some of you had suggested in the "Barack Obama" thread that perhaps the extreme conservatives only appear to have the upper hand right now because they are louder. However, under the Democratic leadership FOX News' ratings are thriving (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/media/30cnn.html?_r=1) while CNN, a much less opinionated and much more honest station, is doing quite poorly. If their ratings are growing, are the converting more people over to their nonsense? Making more otherwise middle of the road folks or more rational Republicans into extremists?

People are just fed up with Obama and the Democrats. Rightly so they are wasting money worse than Bush has and are just arrogant. Healthcare reform did it for me.

Then Obama started stuffing the supreme court with anti-freedom judges who are just as inexperienced as he is and just as hostile to gun rights and America. Now with all that and the other crap they pull, I'm fed up with anyone who's a Dem.

Quote from: "Big Mac"People are just fed up with Obama and the Democrats. Rightly so they are wasting money worse than Bush has and are just arrogant. Healthcare reform did it for me.

Then Obama started stuffing the supreme court with anti-freedom judges who are just as inexperienced as he is and just as hostile to gun rights and America. Now with all that and the other crap they pull, I'm fed up with anyone who's a Dem.

This post is risible, on several levels:

1) Rationalizing healthcare saves money.  Or do you prefer to give your money to corporations who will gladly let you die, in order to give themselves a higher margin?

2) Call me when anything Obama does passes the expense Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq.  Anything.  I wonder if you protested that.  I did.

3) "Stuffing the court" is a howler.  He hasn't expanded the liberal minority, at all. Not by one justice.  He has only had the opportunity to replace liberal justices.  And calling Sotomayor "inexperienced" is like calling Curtis LeMay a pacifist.  Orrin Hatch, one of the most conservative members of the Senate, sang praises about her experience.

4) Where the hell were these freedom-loving Republicans when the "Patriot Act" was passed?  Goddamned hypocrites who yammer about personal freedom at the drop of a hat said nothing about this abrogation of our Constitutional rights.

I'll be honest with you:  I'm not a Dem, I'm an independant, and while I'm tired of the two-party bickering, I'm fed up with the Republican persecution complex which manufactures drama in pursuit of power.

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Quote from: "Sophus"Some of you had suggested in the "Barack Obama" thread that perhaps the extreme conservatives only appear to have the upper hand right now because they are louder. However, under the Democratic leadership FOX News' ratings are thriving (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/30/business/media/30cnn.html?_r=1) while CNN, a much less opinionated and much more honest station, is doing quite poorly. If their ratings are growing, are the converting more people over to their nonsense? Making more otherwise middle of the road folks or more rational Republicans into extremists?

People are just fed up with Obama and the Democrats. Rightly so they are wasting money worse than Bush has and are just arrogant. Healthcare reform did it for me.

Then Obama started stuffing the supreme court with anti-freedom judges who are just as inexperienced as he is and just as hostile to gun rights and America. Now with all that and the other crap they pull, I'm fed up with anyone who's a Dem.

Spending worse than Bush? Bush spent trillions of dollars on a meaningless war in Iraq (not including Afghanistan), and gave huge tax cuts to the wealthy for no good reason which effects the deficit. At least Obama is putting it into our own country.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"People are just fed up with Obama and the Democrats. Rightly so they are wasting money worse than Bush has and are just arrogant. Healthcare reform did it for me.

Then Obama started stuffing the supreme court with anti-freedom judges who are just as inexperienced as he is and just as hostile to gun rights and America. Now with all that and the other crap they pull, I'm fed up with anyone who's a Dem.

This post is risible, on several levels:

1) Rationalizing healthcare saves money.  Or do you prefer to give your money to corporations who will gladly let you die, in order to give themselves a higher margin?

2) Call me when anything Obama does passes the expense Bush's unnecessary war in Iraq.  Anything.  I wonder if you protested that.  I did.

3) "Stuffing the court" is a howler.  He hasn't expanded the liberal minority, at all. Not by one justice.  He has only had the opportunity to replace liberal justices.  And calling Sotomayor "inexperienced" is like calling Curtis LeMay a pacifist.  Orrin Hatch, one of the most conservative members of the Senate, sang praises about her experience.

4) Where the hell were these freedom-loving Republicans when the "Patriot Act" was passed?  Goddamned hypocrites who yammer about personal freedom at the drop of a hat said nothing about this abrogation of our Constitutional rights.

I'll be honest with you:  I'm not a Dem, I'm an independant, and while I'm tired of the two-party bickering, I'm fed up with the Republican persecution complex which manufactures drama in pursuit of power.

Sotomayor needs to go back to where she came from, in all honesty. I didn't like the Patriot Act but where are the dems to repeal it? Oh, I'm sorry, crickets are getting loud again.

Obama's a failure and he's stuffing every court in the land with liberal activist judges.....and we're all gonna have to have an RFID chip planted in our butt and stuff.

I'm an independent. I just like stirring anything I can about the current president. Don't like him, never will. I'm just out to talk as much shit as I can about him.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Sotomayor needs to go back to where she came from, in all honesty.

I'm unsure what qualifies you to review and critique her years as both a prosecutor and a district judge, but it's apparent to me that you would gladly politicize the courts in this country.  Pretty sad, not to mention unwise.

QuoteI didn't like the Patriot Act but where are the dems to repeal it? Oh, I'm sorry, crickets are getting loud again.

Yes, our politicians have all let us down; they're so afraid of the word "Patriot" in the title that they refuse to take action.  However, my point was that you, personally, are bitching about the "loss of freedom" under Obama, when the damage was already done, the freedoms already lost.  

QuoteObama's a failure and he's stuffing every court in the land with liberal activist judges.....and we're all gonna have to have an RFID chip planted in our butt and stuff.

Yeah, I guess those black helicopters flying overhead at night are up to no good.

QuoteI'm an independent. I just like stirring anything I can about the current president. Don't like him, never will. I'm just out to talk as much shit as I can about him.

Hey, how about floating actual ideas?  Or is thinking too much work?

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Sotomayor needs to go back to where she came from, in all honesty.

I'm unsure what qualifies you to review and critique her years as both a prosecutor and a district judge, but it's apparent to me that you would gladly politicize the courts in this country.  Pretty sad, not to mention unwise.

QuoteI didn't like the Patriot Act but where are the dems to repeal it? Oh, I'm sorry, crickets are getting loud again.

Yes, our politicians have all let us down; they're so afraid of the word "Patriot" in the title that they refuse to take action.  However, my point was that you, personally, are bitching about the "loss of freedom" under Obama, when the damage was already done, the freedoms already lost.  

QuoteObama's a failure and he's stuffing every court in the land with liberal activist judges.....and we're all gonna have to have an RFID chip planted in our butt and stuff.

Yeah, I guess those black helicopters flying overhead at night are up to no good.

QuoteI'm an independent. I just like stirring anything I can about the current president. Don't like him, never will. I'm just out to talk as much shit as I can about him.

Hey, how about floating actual ideas?  Or is thinking too much work?

Both parties are my enemies so I will always work to pit my enemies against each other as much as possible. While they are at each other's throat, we shall bring our people in as the saner candidates.

Besides, damage from the Patriot Act could be rectified. Push to repeal the damn thing NOW. They won't because deep down Democrats are just as bad as Republicans when it comes to Freedom. All politicians are the same. They think they are better than you and have more rights than you.

FOX News is NO LONGER Thriving! Well, okay. Maybe not all of FOX News. But the ratings for Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity (as well as Rush Limbough) have taken a dive (http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-09/glenn-beck-sean-hannity-ratings-drop-right-wing-talk-is-dying/full/full/).  So now we have to wonder, is the anti-government/Obama enthusiasm simply wearing down because it can't be kept strong for that long, or are people finally starting to realize Beck is absolutely nuts with these Egypt conspiracy theories (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/11/glenn-beck-egypt-go-to-hell_n_821802.html)?

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NWO.... yep, he's an idiot.  This is where my mom is getting her material from.

So does anyone else have the urge to toss something at the screen when he opens his mouth?

Seriously, 1 minute of that and I have a headache starting.  Damn......

Quote from: "KDbeads"NWO.... yep, he's an idiot.  This is where my mom is getting her material from.

So does anyone else have the urge to toss something at the screen when he opens his mouth?

Seriously, 1 minute of that and I have a headache starting.  Damn......

Actually, I couldn't keep from laughing. Forgive me, but I had to tune in -I think it was Tuesday night - to see what his reaction was to the responses to his conspiracy theory. Those damn chalkboards.   It really is like he's talking to a bunch of kindergartners.

I don't know how serious he really is. I think he's just an attention whore.