Title: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 09:39:57 AM
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 09:39:57 AM
in the place I live, we have a clear law against any preaching or religious propaganda in university.
I do run into couples of christians in school before , I've heard scientology showing up in my countrys university recently.
but their action isnt really that a big deal , they just asking nicely if anyones interesting in their belief, if not than nothing happens (they ARE minority in here)
so we rarely need used that "no-preaching law" card.
cuz believers just stay really really low profile.
and I just hanging on youtube , found this guys channel and others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MsObYXgNko&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MsObYXgNko&feature=fvst)
It scared me , its legal? phew...
I wasnt think of this question seriously until now.
I assuming its legal.
as an outsider I just wondering , dont US university have some sort of secular law(or planed to start one)to maintain the secularism of the education?
I do run into couples of christians in school before , I've heard scientology showing up in my countrys university recently.
but their action isnt really that a big deal , they just asking nicely if anyones interesting in their belief, if not than nothing happens (they ARE minority in here)
so we rarely need used that "no-preaching law" card.
cuz believers just stay really really low profile.
and I just hanging on youtube , found this guys channel and others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MsObYXgNko&feature=fvst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MsObYXgNko&feature=fvst)
It scared me , its legal? phew...
I wasnt think of this question seriously until now.
I assuming its legal.
as an outsider I just wondering , dont US university have some sort of secular law(or planed to start one)to maintain the secularism of the education?
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: karadan on July 21, 2010, 10:12:02 AM
Post by: karadan on July 21, 2010, 10:12:02 AM
Where are you from? I don't know of any laws prohibiting preaching on university campuses in the UK but that doesn't mean there aren't any. To be honest, that dude in the video is obviously completely insane. Another egotistical god-botherer who has to vet every one of the comments on his vids before 'approving' them. Ie, another venomfangx.
I've no time for that brand of insanity.
Personally, if someone wants to preach, i say let them. It is a free society. They should expect to be challenged though. I'd be the first person to refute everything they say.
I've no time for that brand of insanity.
Personally, if someone wants to preach, i say let them. It is a free society. They should expect to be challenged though. I'd be the first person to refute everything they say.
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: Tank on July 21, 2010, 10:37:10 AM
Post by: Tank on July 21, 2010, 10:37:10 AM
Frankly as people at university are nominally adults I see no reason whatsoever to ban any legal activity at all. If students can't cope with preachers they really can't cope with life and should be wrapped up in cotton wool and stay at home. These people have to be faced, one can't just ignore them and hope they go away. Preachers on campus are fair game, go heckle the buggers, in a polite non-threatening way and hold them to account for their views. Let them in but don't give them an easy ride!
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 01:01:14 PM
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 01:01:14 PM
maybe usually campus preacher looks like this are quite harmless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOngVCtHRc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOngVCtHRc0)
but disturbing and certainly not peaceful.
besides that the yelling and threaten are just annoying.
well , it just bothers me , never sees or thought of anything like this, excepting on internet.
for me its like preaching in the city hall or hospital.(do US allow preaching in hospital?)
just surprise me a bit, US universitys openness.
damn, you can even smoke on the lawn , and in these years we are thinking of ban it in university. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOngVCtHRc0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOngVCtHRc0)
but disturbing and certainly not peaceful.
besides that the yelling and threaten are just annoying.
well , it just bothers me , never sees or thought of anything like this, excepting on internet.
for me its like preaching in the city hall or hospital.(do US allow preaching in hospital?)
just surprise me a bit, US universitys openness.
damn, you can even smoke on the lawn , and in these years we are thinking of ban it in university. LOL
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: The Magic Pudding on July 21, 2010, 02:52:08 PM
Post by: The Magic Pudding on July 21, 2010, 02:52:08 PM
Quotewhy allow preaching in university?They work cheaper than comedians.
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: Tank on July 21, 2010, 03:02:56 PM
Post by: Tank on July 21, 2010, 03:02:56 PM
Quote from: "The Magic Pudding"(https://www.happyatheistforum.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg710.imageshack.us%2Fimg710%2F9922%2Frimshot.gif&hash=77d5ac078a921ed7ff6be629eed7a4f2ac98bb10)Quotewhy allow preaching in university?They work cheaper than comedians.
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:38:34 PM
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:38:34 PM
Quote from: "Tank"Frankly as people at university are nominally adults I see no reason whatsoever to ban any legal activity at all.!oh sure , bucuz I started at the point where we dont have any preaching in educational institution.
and in US all the religions plays a fair game in university.
so uh... after I seeing the situation is US , my question will be "do you folks (US atheists) consider it beneficial to not having any preaching in educational institution"
tks
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:39:52 PM
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:39:52 PM
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Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:40:41 PM
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:40:41 PM
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Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:40:57 PM
Post by: coltcat on July 21, 2010, 08:40:57 PM
delete again... I got drunk, sry
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: pinkocommie on July 21, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
Post by: pinkocommie on July 21, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
I think for kids in public school, K-12, there shouldn't be any religion or preaching or anything. However, I really like the idea of college being a place where information kind of freely flows, so I like the idea of religious beliefs being represented at colleges, though I don't think the college itself should endorse or promote religious activity. Not any more than any other activity, anyway.
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: Whitney on July 21, 2010, 11:56:27 PM
Post by: Whitney on July 21, 2010, 11:56:27 PM
Quote from: "coltcat"after I seeing the situation is US , my question will be "do you folks (US atheists) consider it beneficial to not having any preaching in educational institution"
tks
There isn't any preaching in the state funded educational institutions....there are, however, religious preachers who exercise their free speech on public property that happens to be the university grounds.
We had preachers at my university...one of them was quite hilarious. We called him Preacher Bob (I assume he claimed to be named Bob) and he either was or pretended to be a fundamentalist preacher who was against women with short hair, short skirts etc and told anyone that was walking by who had such features that they were going to hell. People would actually stand there and argue with him; even the religious people...it made them think about their beilefs.
We also had more normal preachers but they didn't spark anyone to challenge their own beliefs since they weren't confrontational...that's what's so funny about these evangelists for every one person they bring into the fold they probably drive away 5 with their crazy ideas.
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: Sophus on July 22, 2010, 12:15:28 AM
Post by: Sophus on July 22, 2010, 12:15:28 AM
As far as "why allow it?" goes, it depends on how they're preaching. People forget we don't have complete freedom of speech. Typically, when it comes to schools, colleges and universities, if you're causing a disruption or trying to provoke violence you won't be seen as simply practicing your free speech.
Title: Re: why allow preaching in university?
Post by: Martin TK on July 22, 2010, 02:48:07 AM
Post by: Martin TK on July 22, 2010, 02:48:07 AM
I really think that once a person gets to the university stage of life, there should be three requirements; a course in critical thinking/Logic, a course in comparative religions, and a course in race relations/sensativity.
I am not fond of the Evangelical Christian preachers who get in your face and invade your space, and I'll certainly explain that I am prone to fits of rage against these practices. I am patient with the quieter types, who just want to talk about their beliefs and such, but I always begin with the caveat that I will listen to their views IF they will listen to mine; me first. It can be kind of fun to do that. My mother who was a Methodist, and only became annoying about it later in life, used to say that to those Saturday morning visitors. Our house got a reputation as one best left alone.
I am not fond of the Evangelical Christian preachers who get in your face and invade your space, and I'll certainly explain that I am prone to fits of rage against these practices. I am patient with the quieter types, who just want to talk about their beliefs and such, but I always begin with the caveat that I will listen to their views IF they will listen to mine; me first. It can be kind of fun to do that. My mother who was a Methodist, and only became annoying about it later in life, used to say that to those Saturday morning visitors. Our house got a reputation as one best left alone.