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QuoteAsk President Obama WHY his administration is restricting coverage for vulnerable women.

After all of your hard work defeating Rep. Stupak's draconian abortion coverage ban, the Obama administration is planning to voluntarily bring the ban back to life in the new insurance pools for people with pre-existing conditions. This is deeply troubling. Not only should every woman be able to decide what is best for her health and her family, but women participating in high-risk insurance pools are particularly vulnerable and may have a special need for abortion. For example, because of the restriction, a woman with heart disease or diabetes might be compelled to carry a pregnancy to term despite its potentially damaging effect on her future health. What's more, this ban is more restrictive than the abortion provision that will govern the exchanges once they are established: It does not allow states to choose to cover abortion, and it does not give women the option to buy a plan that includes abortion coverage using their own money.

While I know he was never a 'fan' of abortion (no one is) he had previously stated (in not so few words) that it should be left up to the woman and her doctor to decide.  Now he is taking steps towards restricting abortion rights for no reason whatsoever...the republicans already hated him; I guess he wants to lose his liberal base too.

That's very disappointing.  

While way from familiar with the vagaries of the US health system what you have highlighted looks like a retrograde step.

I signed it.

He's trying to appeal to both sides and in doing so alienates both  

While I am against abortions, I believe it should still be legal, because at the end of the day, it's really not my choice.

Quote from: "Allah"He's trying to appeal to both sides and in doing so alienates both  

And I love it! I hope he loses the next election by so much. I don't care who gets into office, just make it anyone but a lousy Democrat. They've had how many years dominating Congress and have passed crap for the most part. Even when they try to pass their flagship crapfests they can't handle a little resistance from Republicans.

I may have not liked Bush and his cronies but at least they did what they wanted and just said "Haters gonna hate."

Obama is a failure of a president and a lame duck. Enjoy the ride while we go down the drain, folks.

Wow, just wow, well he won't be getting my vote come 2012. I figured he would eventually figure out that he needs the liberal base since that's what got him elected but he just showed that he clearly doesn't give a damn about the base. Makes me sad knowing the first black president is going to be a lame duck. What makes it worse is the fact that this man is an intellectual. I've met and had lunch and dinner with Obama several times but the stuff i've been reading about his presidency sounds like a different person. He's sold out, why can't  another JFK get into office?

If Obama makes it to the ballot again I won't be voting this year or i'll be voting on for some agreeable obscure party.

Wow, just wow, well he won't be getting my vote come 2012. I figured he would eventually figure out that he needs the liberal base since that's what got him elected but he just showed that he clearly doesn't give a damn about the base. Makes me sad knowing the first black president is going to be a lame duck. What makes it worse is the fact that this man is an intellectual. I've met and had lunch and dinner with Obama several times but the stuff i've been reading about his presidency sounds like a different person. He's sold out, why can't  another JFK get into office?

If Obama makes it to the ballot again I won't be voting this year or i'll be voting on for some agreeable obscure party.

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Wow, just wow, well he won't be getting my vote come 2012. I figured he would eventually figure out that he needs the liberal base since that's what got him elected but he just showed that he clearly doesn't give a damn about the base. Makes me sad knowing the first black president is going to be a lame duck. What makes it worse is the fact that this man is an intellectual. I've met and had lunch and dinner with Obama several times but the stuff i've been reading about his presidency sounds like a different person. He's sold out, why can't  another JFK get into office?

If Obama makes it to the ballot again I won't be voting this year or i'll be voting on for some agreeable obscure party.

That's the problem in my opinion. He got elected because he would be the first black president. If we are supposed to look past race why was everyone excited about electing a black guy? Why not focus on electing someone who would be way more qualified to run the largest economic and military power on the planet?

Quote from: "Whitney"While I know he was never a 'fan' of abortion (no one is)

Actually, I am. Granted, condoms are a better way to go, but I do not discourage abortion at all, nor frown upon it whatever the reason. Keeps the overpopulation down slightly.

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Quote from: "Allah"He's trying to appeal to both sides and in doing so alienates both  

And I love it! I hope he loses the next election by so much. I don't care who gets into office, just make it anyone but a lousy Democrat. They've had how many years dominating Congress and have passed crap for the most part. Even when they try to pass their flagship crapfests they can't handle a little resistance from Republicans.

I may have not liked Bush and his cronies but at least they did what they wanted and just said "Haters gonna hate."

Obama is a failure of a president and a lame duck. Enjoy the ride while we go down the drain, folks.

It would take a lot of convincing that he'd do better in a second term before I would be willing to vote for him again.  However, I can't think of a single Republican who I think would make a good president. When it comes to:

Abortion
Building a mosque
Closing Guantanamo
Ending a War
Ending the Death Penalty
Gay Marriage
Helping the environment
Legalizing Marijuana
Mandating a new vaccine
Immigration
Providing Universal Healthcare
Racial Harmony
Stimulating the economy
Basically, anything PROGRESSIVE

The conservatives say we shouldn't be allowed to do that, because it violates some stupid tradition. Or they say the government shouldn't get involved in things like that. Or they justify leaving things the way they are with some Islamophobic patriotic nonsense about terrorism, or freedom.

I wish there were politicians with Democratic values AND that Republican fuck-you-I'll-do-what-I-want attitude.Then maybe we could get some shit done in this country!

Quote from: "KebertX"It would take a lot of convincing that he'd do better in a second term before I would be willing to vote for him again.  However, I can't think of a single Republican who I think would make a good president.

I'm inclined to agree (despite having voted for him the first time) except for your wording.  It wouldn't take convincing me that he'd do better the second time than his first, merely that he'll do better then the other guy.  As disappoint as I am, if the alternative is even worse than what we have now, I'd just as soon live with four more years of the same.

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Quote from: "Ultima22689"Wow, just wow, well he won't be getting my vote come 2012. I figured he would eventually figure out that he needs the liberal base since that's what got him elected but he just showed that he clearly doesn't give a damn about the base. Makes me sad knowing the first black president is going to be a lame duck. What makes it worse is the fact that this man is an intellectual. I've met and had lunch and dinner with Obama several times but the stuff i've been reading about his presidency sounds like a different person. He's sold out, why can't  another JFK get into office?

If Obama makes it to the ballot again I won't be voting this year or i'll be voting on for some agreeable obscure party.

That's the problem in my opinion. He got elected because he would be the first black president. If we are supposed to look past race why was everyone excited about electing a black guy? Why not focus on electing someone who would be way more qualified to run the largest economic and military power on the planet?

Granted that a lot of people did vote him in solely because he was Black however that isn't the case for many people. I voted before him because he made McCain lose his temper in debates, because he promised an end to politics as usual and candidate Obama sound fairly progressive, more progressive than the last few presidents we have. My only concern about the fact that he is black is that this may backlash against the black community because they will be pretty down in the dumps, violence in Chicago dropped sharply in black communities once Obama had gotten elected because nearly everyone did vote him in because he was black. I voted for him because candidate Obama seemed like he would have the balls to handle his business opposed to a war hawk who wanted to ramp up the war and cut back on spending period back home where it count the most.

I'd say if I was American. I'd be split between the parties on these issues. Something like:

Abortion is good
Building a mosque is within their rights as long as their permits are in order
Closing Guantanamo is something that should have been done before they opened it.
Ending a War Saves money, lives and ammunition. Good idea.
Ending the Death Penalty What ever for?
Gay Marriage Equality before the law for all sexual orientations that do not include harmful and illegal activities, like screwing alter boys.
Helping the environment Maybe, but far down my priority list.
Legalizing Marijuana Only as a controlled substance, in line with morphine, vicodin and the like
Mandating a new vaccine Eh..?
Immigration Keep the good ones, kick the rest out.
Providing Universal Healthcare Not if it means a general decrease in the quality of it.
Racial Harmony There are smart people and there are dumb f**ks. Color or shape of the eyes is irrelevant
Stimulating the economy Is generally a good thing to do.

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That's how I feel about Obama right about now. He's got 2 more years though, maybe he can be a little more impressive in that time.

Quote from: "Asmodean"Abortion is good

I wouldn't know: I lack a uterus.

QuoteBuilding a mosque is within their rights as long as their permits are in order

The funny thing is, it's not a mosque, it's a culture center.  Funnier still, it was previously a mosque with no complaints.

QuoteClosing Guantanamo is something that should have been done before they opened it.

http://www.stickdeath.com/killbox.html

QuoteEnding a War Saves money, lives and ammunition. Good idea.

It'd be nice to have my brother in Kansas instead of Kuwait.

QuoteEnding the Death Penalty What ever for?

Because the current statues for certainty don't prevent enough innocent people from getting caught in it.  IMO, it shouldn't be about how heinous it is, but about how certain it is that this guy did it.  If the case is mostly circumstantial, life in prison.  If it's a matter of the guy being caught with the murder weapon in his possession and the body being encrusted in his semen, however, there's a bit more of a certainty that he did it and good reason to execute his murdering ass.

QuoteGay Marriage Equality before the law for all sexual orientations that do not include harmful and illegal activities, like screwing alter boys.

They should just abolish the whole thing as a legal institution and instead let you register your boyfriend/girlfriend/fleshlight on your driver's license for the sake of hospital visits and such.  Paternity would be registered on the birth certificate of the child and the whole archaic system of who own whom be done away with outside of church.

QuoteHelping the environment Maybe, but far down my priority list.

A little actual enforcement of existing laws would go a long way.  Besides, I eat those oysters and I'm not a fan of barbecued crude.

QuoteLegalizing Marijuana Only as a controlled substance, in line with morphine, vicodin and the like

Fuck that.  Make it like alcohol and tax the shit out of it.  It'd still be cheaper for the potheads and would go a long way toward straightening out our budget.  Besides, I've got a sunny acre that's just itching to produce me some.

QuoteMandating a new vaccine Eh..?

Currently vaccines can be waived if your pastor signs off that it's against your religion to get it.  Why can't I have my dog sign off that he doesn't approve?

QuoteImmigration Keep the good ones, kick the rest out.

That's too huge of an issue to address here.  It needs its own thread.

QuoteProviding Universal Healthcare Not if it means a general decrease in the quality of it.

It will only mean a decrease in the quality of it for the richest of the rich.  For those of us on HMOs or medicare, it's a lateral move anyway, but now we can afford it and for those with no coverage at all, it's a shift up.  Besides, the rich could still buy plans that cover them for more stuff.

QuoteRacial Harmony There are smart people and there are dumb f**ks. Color or shape of the eyes is irrelevant

Tell that to half of America.

QuoteStimulating the economy Is generally a good thing to do.

See the marijuana thing...

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Granted that a lot of people did vote him in solely because he was Black however that isn't the case for many people. I voted before him because he made McCain lose his temper in debates, because he promised an end to politics as usual and candidate Obama sound fairly progressive, more progressive than the last few presidents we have. My only concern about the fact that he is black is that this may backlash against the black community because they will be pretty down in the dumps, violence in Chicago dropped sharply in black communities once Obama had gotten elected because nearly everyone did vote him in because he was black. I voted for him because candidate Obama seemed like he would have the balls to handle his business opposed to a war hawk who wanted to ramp up the war and cut back on spending period back home where it count the most.

McCain was a poor candidate. I think it would have been an interesting run for Obama to go up against Ron Paul. The claims that Ron Paul would be more of Bush would be groundless and the dedication of young voters among the two would have made it a nail biter. Of course republicans have gotten super retarded in the past decade and cater to right wing religious nuts who are going out of style. So Paul was destined to not be elected. Though I would have liked it.

A lot of liberal whites felt good voting for him as well but couldn't pin a single stance of his on an issue. That's my beef. We have McCain who had no business running for president and then we have Obama who has no real experience in dealing with executive levels of government. It'd be like giving a guy who was an area manager of wal-mart the whole run of the company with less than 2 years of experience under his belt.

Not the best idea in the world.

Not to mention, people were rightfully horrified at the idea that SARAH PALIN could be the president. I really agree with everything campaign Obama stood for. Frankly, I think the only thing he's fucking up on is actually trying to appeal to the GOP. President Obama isn't as bold as Campaign Obama. He's not fighting like hell on all the left wing stuff he promised to bring to the country because instead he thinks it's important to gain republican support.

What he should do is just say: STFU! I'M THE FUCKING PRESIDENT! GET THE HELL OVER IT! STOP CALLING ME A SOCIALIST FASCIST MUSLIM, AND LET ME FIX THE FUCKING ECONOMY! It's not like it could make him any less popular among republicans. At least Liberals (immune to FOX NEWS propaganda) will embrace him again...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-27-2010/blues-clueless

Quote from: "KebertX"Not to mention, people were rightfully horrified at the idea that SARAH PALIN could be the president. I really agree with everything campaign Obama stood for. Frankly, I think the only thing he's fucking up on is actually trying to appeal to the GOP. President Obama isn't as bold as Campaign Obama. He's not fighting like hell on all the left wing stuff he promised to bring to the country because instead he thinks it's important to gain republican support.

What he should do is just say: STFU! I'M THE FUCKING PRESIDENT! GET THE HELL OVER IT! STOP CALLING ME A SOCIALIST FASCIST MUSLIM, AND LET ME FIX THE FUCKING ECONOMY! It's not like it could make him any less popular among republicans. At least Liberals (immune to FOX NEWS propaganda) will embrace him again...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-27-2010/blues-clueless

It's not so much that. Bush just was like "Haters gonna hate" and did as he pleased. Not that it was good but at least Bush didn't let his detractors stop him from doing his job. Anyone who's ever been in a leadership role knows that you are going to step on people's toes at some point and some people are just natural jack asses who will pick a fight with anything you stand for.

If you wanna make an omelet, you gotta break some eggs.  Obama needs to cracking on 'em.

Well, unless Obama's gnads descend I won't be voting for him. He's still got 2 years to fix his act, hopefully he will. He needs to give up trying to appeal to the right wingers and give the left what it wants. As long as the left is unhappy he won't get elected.

I agree.  Unless he's running against cheney or palin...

I've always assumed he's been playing a game to appease everyone because he's a smart guy, but what if he really isn't as liberal as we think he is?

Quote from: "Sophus"what if he really isn't as liberal as we think he is?

And what if pigs shit candy?  When his term is up, we will know what he's about (or well enough anyway) and can compare him to the other guy (whomever that ends up being).

The problem the Republicans have is that they have no viable candidates aside from Romney and Huckabee.  Huckabee might stand a chance, but not Romney.  Romney can't use healthcare as an issue because he signed off on a much more liberal plan in MA.  Romney can't code race into the argument either, because of Mormonism's history with it.

Huckabee, on the other hand, would be an ideal Republican candidate, because he could unite the religious right and the social moderates.  His 2008 campaign was magnificently handled, giving a small-state unknown a national stage, and a natural springboard.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"The problem the Republicans have is that they have no viable candidates aside from Romney and Huckabee.  Huckabee might stand a chance, but not Romney.  Romney can't use healthcare as an issue because he signed off on a much more liberal plan in MA.  Romney can't code race into the argument either, because of Mormonism's history with it.

Huckabee, on the other hand, would be an ideal Republican candidate, because he could unite the religious right and the social moderates.  His 2008 campaign was magnificently handled, giving a small-state unknown a national stage, and a natural springboard.

You know he also is very good at speaking into a camera and appealing to your knuckle dragger crowd. I don't agree with every I see but a imagine a Huckabee/Paul ticket. You'd have a huge following going especially if Obama fails even further at living up to his promises.

Granted I think that ticket is pretty much wishful thinking but a guy can dream.

Conservatives need to ditch these crazy assholes. They aren't real conservatives, they are just autocrat nutjobs who use God and Gays and (sadly) Guns as a way to leverage other people to wallow in machismo ignorance. The first two is a person's preference, the second to me is important to maintain a truly free state.

So far it seems like we are creating a dumber society full of sound-bytes and tabloid style nonsense about politicians. If the Founding Fathers could see us now they'd be shamed at what this nation has become.

Quote from: "PoopShoot"And what if pigs shit candy?

I have never heard that expression. I'm so using that as a sig.

Quote from: "Big Mac"

Quote from: "PoopShoot"And what if pigs shit candy?

I have never heard that expression. I'm so using that as a sig.

I made it up.  

Enjoy.  (the sig, not the candy...)

go obama yo can do it!

Quote from: "PoopShoot"

Quote from: "Big Mac"

Quote from: "PoopShoot"And what if pigs shit candy?

I have never heard that expression. I'm so using that as a sig.

I made it up.  

Enjoy.  (the sig, not the candy...)

The visual of that and your avatar is just....wow. I'll always associate that shit with you.

I have a little Obama story to tell. It doesn't directly involve Barry but a close friend of his who handled the Austin area campaigning.

So the building I work at had the Obama people two different times. During the primaries when he was trying to wipe Hilary the dingleberry from his ass, they rented a huge suite that housed a small army of people to fight her. I wasn't working then but when I saw where they had set up cots to keep people rested while they worked day and night to fight her, I just laughed.

(Incidentally I go there to piss where they used to be to make myself feel better about the current administration. Petty, childish, and such but oh so satisfying.)

They then occupied a smaller suite when the primaries were won. These weren't volunteers, they were paid campaigners who were total assholes. They tried to get special treatment because they were working for Obama. I remember I told them they couldn't bring dogs into the building unless they were ADA, they claimed they were and when I called bullshit they removed them and had the nerve to complain to building management on me because I did so. Building management backed me up and threatened to fine them for violating rules blatantly.

They then acted like cold little dickwads to us because we didn't get a chubby over their little hero.

They were some of the worst people I've ever dealt with and when Obama won they were gloating like morons about how they helped. Texas still voted for McCain by a landslide. They didn't do shit.

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QuoteBuilding a mosque is within their rights as long as their permits are in order

The funny thing is, it's not a mosque, it's a culture center. Funnier still, it was previously a mosque with no complaints.

What? That's not true at all. The building was leased to the Burlington Coat Factory.

Quote from: "Big Mac"You know he also is very good at speaking into a camera and appealing to your knuckle dragger crowd. I don't agree with every I see but a imagine a Huckabee/Paul ticket. You'd have a huge following going especially if Obama fails even further at living up to his promises.

Maybe so.  He certainly talks a good game, maybe good enough to pry centrist Dems out of Obama's coalition.

QuoteGranted I think that ticket is pretty much wishful thinking but a guy can dream.

Even when you wake up in a cold sweat with an empty bank account?  The policies they're advocating would remove all protection from Big Finance.

QuoteConservatives need to ditch these crazy assholes. They aren't real conservatives, they are just autocrat nutjobs who use God and Gays and (sadly) Guns as a way to leverage other people to wallow in machismo ignorance. The first two is a person's preference, the second to me is important to maintain a truly free state.

This assumes that people would have the guts to actually use the guns, which we both know they don't.  

QuoteSo far it seems like we are creating a dumber society full of sound-bytes and tabloid style nonsense about politicians. If the Founding Fathers could see us now they'd be shamed at what this nation has become.

Shit wasn't that much better then, you still had farmers asking for tax breaks and politicians screwing their slaves.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"You know he also is very good at speaking into a camera and appealing to your knuckle dragger crowd. I don't agree with every I see but a imagine a Huckabee/Paul ticket. You'd have a huge following going especially if Obama fails even further at living up to his promises.

Maybe so.  He certainly talks a good game, maybe good enough to pry centrist Dems out of Obama's coalition.

QuoteGranted I think that ticket is pretty much wishful thinking but a guy can dream.

Even when you wake up in a cold sweat with an empty bank account?  The policies they're advocating would remove all protection from Big Finance.

QuoteConservatives need to ditch these crazy assholes. They aren't real conservatives, they are just autocrat nutjobs who use God and Gays and (sadly) Guns as a way to leverage other people to wallow in machismo ignorance. The first two is a person's preference, the second to me is important to maintain a truly free state.

This assumes that people would have the guts to actually use the guns, which we both know they don't.  

QuoteSo far it seems like we are creating a dumber society full of sound-bytes and tabloid style nonsense about politicians. If the Founding Fathers could see us now they'd be shamed at what this nation has become.

Shit wasn't that much better then, you still had farmers asking for tax breaks and politicians screwing their slaves.

Now you're trolling me. We both know only democrats do those things. Tax and spend.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"

Quote from: "Big Mac"You know he also is very good at speaking into a camera and appealing to your knuckle dragger crowd. I don't agree with every I see but a imagine a Huckabee/Paul ticket. You'd have a huge following going especially if Obama fails even further at living up to his promises.

Maybe so.  He certainly talks a good game, maybe good enough to pry centrist Dems out of Obama's coalition.

QuoteGranted I think that ticket is pretty much wishful thinking but a guy can dream.

Even when you wake up in a cold sweat with an empty bank account?  The policies they're advocating would remove all protection from Big Finance.

QuoteConservatives need to ditch these crazy assholes. They aren't real conservatives, they are just autocrat nutjobs who use God and Gays and (sadly) Guns as a way to leverage other people to wallow in machismo ignorance. The first two is a person's preference, the second to me is important to maintain a truly free state.

This assumes that people would have the guts to actually use the guns, which we both know they don't.  

QuoteSo far it seems like we are creating a dumber society full of sound-bytes and tabloid style nonsense about politicians. If the Founding Fathers could see us now they'd be shamed at what this nation has become.

Shit wasn't that much better then, you still had farmers asking for tax breaks and politicians screwing their slaves.

Now you're trolling me. We both know only democrats do those things. Tax and spend.

That's repetitive, not to mention redundant.

eta:  Which is better than only spending.

I have thought long and hard about abortion and on whether I am for or against it and I have come to the following conclusion.

It is a moot point.

By that, I mean, we waist so much time and resources bothering with what a woman can and can't do. Nobody likes abortion. No woman wants one.

Looking into my crystal ball I foresee  2 much larger issues on the same front which is the advent of long term male contraceptives and the immediate population crash that will ensue.

I find the likely hood that sexually active men will take birth control to be much higher given the women typically maintain custody, child support is extremely expensive, and a child forces huge logistical issues as well as emotional issues of dealing with said women for the rest of your life. 40% of children are born out of wedlock and rising. Add to that the number of unwelcome children born in marriages and you end up with at least 50% if not near 60% of all US children.

Once men have an effective drug, that 50% will disappear. I say this because of the above mentioned reasons along with the generalization that men simply don't want babies as frequently as women, ie no maternal clocks in us.  Along with the 50%, nearly every abortion will hopefully go away. I am not saying abortion won't still be an issue, but the number of abortions would drop a few orders of magnitude.

I do not believe I am wrong and really the only research you need to do is how long? 5 years at most, maybe sooner depending on trials.

Social Security in a population crash with baby boomers living forever? A tough few years I see in our future.

Male contraceptives
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3543478/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3543478/)

Wedlock birth statistics
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Quote from: "i_am_i"The building was leased to the Burlington Coat Factory.

Since the day it was built, right?

QuoteWe both know only democrats do those things. Tax and spend.

Yeah right. Even Reagan raised taxes six times during his presidency. Bush spent trillions in a meaningless war.

Quote from: "Sophus"Yeah right. Even Reagan raised taxes six times during his presidency. Bush spent trillions in a meaningless war.

Asmodean reads: "...during his pregnancy"

Asmodean goes: " :hmm: " and then like "... ...  :D

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QuoteWe both know only democrats do those things. Tax and spend.

Yeah right. Even Reagan raised taxes six times during his presidency. Bush spent trillions in a meaningless war.

It helped kill a lot of potential terrorists and Iraq will be pretty much weakened for a long time. So I guess Israel is safer from one of the bigger threats in the region. I don't particularly like Israel but I guess something came out of it.

Reagan was ballsy enough to stand up to the communists. And he got shot and kept going, Obama would cry like a bitch if he got shot instead of taking it like a man.

Quote from: "Big Mac"It helped kill make a lot of potential terrorists and Iraq will be pretty much weakened for a long time.

Hey, Einstein, Reagan supported Iraq.  Bush (take your pick) slapped them round.

QuoteSo I guess Israel is safer from one of the bigger threats in the region. I don't particularly like Israel but I guess something came out of it.

I fail to see how defend what is in essence an apartheid state does to further our national security.  Care to elaborate on this?

QuoteReagan was ballsy enough to stand up to the communists. And he got shot and kept going, Obama would cry like a bitch if he got shot instead of taking it like a man.

Chalk and cheese.  Obama's president, and Ronnie's dead.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"It helped kill make a lot of potential terrorists and Iraq will be pretty much weakened for a long time.

Hey, Einstein, Reagan supported Iraq.  Bush (take your pick) slapped them round.

Yeah, so? I don't worship Reagan, I'm just a big fan of his work when it comes to war-mongering and saber-rattling.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"

QuoteSo I guess Israel is safer from one of the bigger threats in the region. I don't particularly like Israel but I guess something came out of it.

I fail to see how defend what is in essence an apartheid state does to further our national security.  Care to elaborate on this?

Never said it further our national security but it does take one of Israel's largest threats down a few pegs in the region. I don't like Israel and I think they need to deport all Israelis back to Europe and give the land to the Palestinians. I think Israel is a troublesome state that causes nothing but problems for us.

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"

QuoteReagan was ballsy enough to stand up to the communists. And he got shot and kept going, Obama would cry like a bitch if he got shot instead of taking it like a man.

Chalk and cheese.  Obama's president, and Ronnie's dead.

Reagan was also pushing 100 when he died. Obama aged like 10 years since he got into office. Can't hack the man work I guess. Hopefully he'll go organize some community and be another loser Jimmy Carter.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Yeah, so? I don't worship Reagan, I'm just a big fan of his work when it comes to war-mongering and saber-rattling.

Because that's what makes a good President, sure.

QuoteNever said it further our national security but it does take one of Israel's largest threats down a few pegs in the region. I don't like Israel and I think they need to deport all Israelis back to Europe and give the land to the Palestinians. I think Israel is a troublesome state that causes nothing but problems for us.

... and yet easing its ability to raise trouble is a good point in a President's favor, to you?  Sorry -- lame troll is lame, and obvious.

QuoteReagan was also pushing 100 when he died. Obama aged like 10 years since he got into office. Can't hack the man work I guess. Hopefully he'll go organize some community and be another loser Jimmy Carter.

Reagan was brain-dead long before he died.  In fact, he was brain-dead before he left office.  I'm sure you'll try to spin that into a positive, only then you won't be trolling.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Yeah, so? I don't worship Reagan, I'm just a big fan of his work when it comes to war-mongering and saber-rattling.

Because that's what makes a good President, sure.

Better than half the crap the recent ones do.

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QuoteNever said it further our national security but it does take one of Israel's largest threats down a few pegs in the region. I don't like Israel and I think they need to deport all Israelis back to Europe and give the land to the Palestinians. I think Israel is a troublesome state that causes nothing but problems for us.

... and yet easing its ability to raise trouble is a good point in a President's favor, to you?  Sorry -- lame troll is lame, and obvious.

Not trolling there, I really think we need to get rid of the state of Israel and put the Jews somewhere else. Screw their little view that they are the Chosen people, they are one of the biggest reasons we've had terrorism like we have. Remember when the terrorists were jacking planes in the last century? Look at their demands. Almost all of them involved Israel in some way.

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QuoteReagan was also pushing 100 when he died. Obama aged like 10 years since he got into office. Can't hack the man work I guess. Hopefully he'll go organize some community and be another loser Jimmy Carter.

Reagan was brain-dead long before he died.  In fact, he was brain-dead before he left office.  I'm sure you'll try to spin that into a positive, only then you won't be trolling.

Meh, I don't see an issue with Reagan's work. You think I'm trolling but honestly I view Obama as a weak president who embarrasses us in front of the world. He frickin' bowed to a Saudi man. It should be the other way around. We run the show, it's time we remind people of that fact.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Better than half the crap the recent ones do.

There's a phrase for that:  "Damned by faint praise."

QuoteNot trolling there, I really think we need to get rid of the state of Israel and put the Jews somewhere else. Screw their little view that they are the Chosen people, they are one of the biggest reasons we've had terrorism like we have. Remember when the terrorists were jacking planes in the last century? Look at their demands. Almost all of them involved Israel in some way.

I don't think we should worry ourselves with them that much.  What directs terrorism at America (in part) is our unqualified support of Israel, not Israel's existence itself.  And yes, their religious claims are equally nonsense.

QuoteMeh, I don't see an issue with Reagan's work. You think I'm trolling but honestly I view Obama as a weak president who embarrasses us in front of the world. He frickin' bowed to a Saudi man. It should be the other way around. We run the show, it's time we remind people of that fact.

Protocol has a place in diplomacy, so the bow doesn't worry me.  If you're worried about someone bowing to a Saudi, you should look at why Bush let so many fly out of here on 9/12.  Now that's bowing.  

Also, the idea that "we run the show" is laughable, and palpably disproved by our failure to bring peace to either Iraq or Afghanistan, our failure to prevent Russia's invasion of Georgia, our inability to prevent the Iranian nuclear program.  All of the failures long festered under a Republican regime, except for the case of Georgia, which was where Bush's favorite asian country got slammed despite his "saber-rattling".  Some good it did there, eh?

Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Protocol has a place in diplomacy, so the bow doesn't worry me.  If you're worried about someone bowing to a Saudi, you should look at why Bush let so many fly out of here on 9/12.  Now that's bowing.  

Also, the idea that "we run the show" is laughable, and palpably disproved by our failure to bring peace to either Iraq or Afghanistan, our failure to prevent Russia's invasion of Georgia, our inability to prevent the Iranian nuclear program.  All of the failures long festered under a Republican regime, except for the case of Georgia, which was where Bush's favorite asian country got slammed despite his "saber-rattling".  Some good it did there, eh?

Georgia had it coming, that's the Slavs problem, not ours. Israel needs to just go, and Bush isn't exactly what I'd call human when it comes to his mental state.

And I think a few carpet bombing campaigns in those countries can send a clear message who calls the shots. Of course now war has to have a PR campaign to it where you could just conquer and take what you want. I blame journalists for that.

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Protocol has a place in diplomacy, so the bow doesn't worry me.  If you're worried about someone bowing to a Saudi, you should look at why Bush let so many fly out of here on 9/12.  Now that's bowing.  

Also, the idea that "we run the show" is laughable, and palpably disproved by our failure to bring peace to either Iraq or Afghanistan, our failure to prevent Russia's invasion of Georgia, our inability to prevent the Iranian nuclear program.  All of the failures long festered under a Republican regime, except for the case of Georgia, which was where Bush's favorite asian country got slammed despite his "saber-rattling".  Some good it did there, eh?

Georgia had it coming, that's the Slavs problem, not ours. Israel needs to just go, and Bush isn't exactly what I'd call human when it comes to his mental state.

And I think a few carpet bombing campaigns in those countries can send a clear message who calls the shots. Of course now war has to have a PR campaign to it where you could just conquer and take what you want. I blame journalists for that.

Have you ever considered it might just be the age we're in? It's not the 20th century anymore, you can't just wage war and not expect everyone to hear about it. We have the internet which makes any news available almost instantly if it was so much as glanced upon with a guy having a camera in his phone. You can't hide war, that's why Wikileaks is releasing classified documents all the time, in the 20th century when something became classified, it stayed classified, now that only means until some brilliant hacker gets his hands on it or some guy like that information analyst leaks it. It's only a matter of time. Anytime a superpower like America wants to do something the world will be watching. I don't think waging war is the best of ideas right now unless it's absolutely necessary to end tyranny like the moment North Korea gets too aggressive it would be time to bring the pain. Remember the whole Israel fiasco when that aid from Turkey was coming in? For awhile the entire world was breathing down Israel's neck and that's because it you can't really hide information anymore, you can only postpone it.

Quote from: "Big Mac"Georgia had it coming

Yup. And got thoroughly owned too, even though Russia downplays its losses somewhat.

Quotethat's the Slavs problem, not ours

Double yup. Georgia is not a part of NATO, thus the USA is under no obligation to help them.

QuoteIsrael needs to just go

Hell yes. And by the way, circumcision is child abuse.

Quoteand Bush isn't exactly what I'd call human when it comes to his mental state.

Honestly, how can ANYONE who's seen the guy doubt that we evolved from monkeys... Primitive ones..?

QuoteAnd I think a few carpet bombing campaigns in those countries can send a clear message who calls the shots

Until you get into more trouble than you can handle... Like one of them nukes in a heavily populated area when it takes your emergency management guys weeks to dig their thumbs out of their asses...

QuoteOf course now war has to have a PR campaign to it where you could just conquer and take what you want. I blame journalists for that.

I blame the governments involved. Ultimately, they, and not the media, tend to drive the propaganda machine by leaking information, appealing to sympathetic or biased journalists and the like

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Quote from: "Thumpalumpacus"Protocol has a place in diplomacy, so the bow doesn't worry me.  If you're worried about someone bowing to a Saudi, you should look at why Bush let so many fly out of here on 9/12.  Now that's bowing.  

Also, the idea that "we run the show" is laughable, and palpably disproved by our failure to bring peace to either Iraq or Afghanistan, our failure to prevent Russia's invasion of Georgia, our inability to prevent the Iranian nuclear program.  All of the failures long festered under a Republican regime, except for the case of Georgia, which was where Bush's favorite asian country got slammed despite his "saber-rattling".  Some good it did there, eh?

Georgia had it coming, that's the Slavs problem, not ours. Israel needs to just go, and Bush isn't exactly what I'd call human when it comes to his mental state.

And I think a few carpet bombing campaigns in those countries can send a clear message who calls the shots. Of course now war has to have a PR campaign to it where you could just conquer and take what you want. I blame journalists for that.

Have you ever considered it might just be the age we're in? It's not the 20th century anymore, you can't just wage war and not expect everyone to hear about it. We have the internet which makes any news available almost instantly if it was so much as glanced upon with a guy having a camera in his phone. You can't hide war, that's why Wikileaks is releasing classified documents all the time, in the 20th century when something became classified, it stayed classified, now that only means until some brilliant hacker gets his hands on it or some guy like that information analyst leaks it. It's only a matter of time. Anytime a superpower like America wants to do something the world will be watching. I don't think waging war is the best of ideas right now unless it's absolutely necessary to end tyranny like the moment North Korea gets too aggressive it would be time to bring the pain. Remember the whole Israel fiasco when that aid from Turkey was coming in? For awhile the entire world was breathing down Israel's neck and that's because it you can't really hide information anymore, you can only postpone it.

Meh, I'm just saying that'd solve the insurgency issue. When your query goes to ground, leave no ground for it to go. Drop enough bombs on a city to be an example, the others will surrender insurgents more readily. I honestly don't think the military should be used to perform humanitarian missions. Militaries are for killing, not healing.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Now you're trolling me. We both know only democrats do those things. Tax and spend.

No functioning government can work without taxing people. And once they collect the revenue from taxes, what are they supposed to do, keep it? Government spending is important for the economy, it makes up about a quarter of our GDP, reduces unemployment (in the long run) and provides valuable services to the American People.

The only service that conservatives want to give us is the privilege of not having the government do ANYTHING for them, or the economy. They have somehow equated this with freedom. In reality, it would be a disaster.

By the way, congratulations on getting banned! I'm truly proud of you . So now I suppose I just said this for the hell of it, but that really bugged the hell out of me.

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Quote from: "Big Mac"Georgia had it coming, that's the Slavs problem, not ours. Israel needs to just go, and Bush isn't exactly what I'd call human when it comes to his mental state.

And I think a few carpet bombing campaigns in those countries can send a clear message who calls the shots. Of course now war has to have a PR campaign to it where you could just conquer and take what you want. I blame journalists for that.

Have you ever considered it might just be the age we're in? It's not the 20th century anymore, you can't just wage war and not expect everyone to hear about it. We have the internet which makes any news available almost instantly if it was so much as glanced upon with a guy having a camera in his phone. You can't hide war, that's why Wikileaks is releasing classified documents all the time, in the 20th century when something became classified, it stayed classified, now that only means until some brilliant hacker gets his hands on it or some guy like that information analyst leaks it. It's only a matter of time. Anytime a superpower like America wants to do something the world will be watching. I don't think waging war is the best of ideas right now unless it's absolutely necessary to end tyranny like the moment North Korea gets too aggressive it would be time to bring the pain. Remember the whole Israel fiasco when that aid from Turkey was coming in? For awhile the entire world was breathing down Israel's neck and that's because it you can't really hide information anymore, you can only postpone it.

Meh, I'm just saying that'd solve the insurgency issue. When your query goes to ground, leave no ground for it to go. Drop enough bombs on a city to be an example, the others will surrender insurgents more readily. I honestly don't think the military should be used to perform humanitarian missions. Militaries are for killing, not healing.

Also, that. THAT right there ^ . THAT was awful.  Im just going to laugh at your over patriotic, immoral, capitalist, conservative, violent, xenophobic, bullshitty, awfulness for a few minutes.

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Once again, congrats on getting banned!

Out of curiosity, why did he get banned?

Quote from: "Ultima22689"Out of curiosity, why did he get banned?

Trolling (likely while drunk) after being asked not to for what had to be the 1000th time.

Ah, I see. Can't say i'm sad to see him go. I had almost sent a PM the other day to a mod to see if something could be done about the trolling as it was getting old.

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Quote from: "i_am_i"The building was leased to the Burlington Coat Factory.

Since the day it was built, right?

Your point being...?

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Quote from: "i_am_i"The building was leased to the Burlington Coat Factory.

Since the day it was built, right?

Your point being...?

Once upon a time there was a mosque in there (So I've been told, has anything before the Burlington coat factory buried and I don't feel like digging)and people didn't make a big stink about it then.

Quote from: "pinkocommie"That's very disappointing.  

AGREE