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If you use god to explain where we came from, that we were created by him, that doesn't answer anything because you then have to explain where god came from.  How did he get created. Cause otherwise it still doesn't answer the question how we got there without knowing how the creator got created.  And I know there are religions that beleive that god was once like us and had his own god, where did that one come from, and so on back till there was no one? And if you are in a religion that believes he has always been alive, that is just stupid. Are you telling me that when god tries to remember back to when he was young, he can't do it. and thinking back on memories there is an infinite number, no beginning. Very dumb.

He's from the south side of Philly, and will kick your ass if you make fun of his name.  

Oh, wait, that's Claude, not God.  Never mind.

That's the problem with theists. They try to attacth all of these 'ultimate' attributes to god to the point where he MUST exist. However, logic won't allow that. This is where contradictions arise. Plus, how in the hell would any human being KNOW that there is a deity whose existence is supported by infinity? -__-. It's all faith. People believe because they want to believe, regardless of evidence given or lack thereof.

Quote from: "Cite134"That's the problem with theists. They try to attacth all of these 'ultimate' attributes to god to the point where he MUST exist. However, logic won't allow that. This is where contradictions arise. Plus, how in the hell would any human being KNOW that there is a deity whose existence is supported by infinity? -__-. It's all faith. People believe because they want to believe, regardless of evidence given or lack thereof.

The simple answer is that no mind can create complexity or existence because itself requires them both in order to exist at all.. Creationism is laughable. The Best logical answer you can have is that the answer must solve infinite regress and represent a universal set of all sets.. And this answer must be impossible to not exist. Well, so far there is only one answer that can sufficiently be validated to solve infinite regress, and be a set of all sets! So what is it you say?, Well, it's ENERGY!!!  Energy = all matter, information, and spatial dimension.. It's literally not possible to have a -1 spatial space/capacity, or -1 energy.. Thus the riddle is solved, and the rest is just semantics of how exactly it all works from zero base energy and up..


Cheers!

God was the creation of human frailty and fear, in particular the fear of the perceived but not understood and unconscious ramblings of the mind. At the dawn of human awareness came the moment of knowledge without understanding. Humans have evolved into cause and affect machines, we see cause we infer affect, we see affect and we infer cause. It's the way we evolved as the ability to second guess our prey and/or predictors is a huge evolutionary advantage. But with this ability came the cost of cognitive dissonance when a cause is seen or an affect is observed we are evolved to balance the equation. And every night unconsciousness came, not in a comfortable bed in a secure home, but surrounded by predators out in the open. But there were dreams and nightmare, the unexplained visions, and affect of what? What caused the visions seen at night that were good or bad, heaven or hell. So our ancestors had knowledge, they could see the Sun rise, they had affect but no cause, they did not understand why, a psychologically intolerable situation. They knew their dreams, visions of beauty and fear, an affect with no cause. So they balanced the equation with superstition and called it God. God is the filler in the cracks in our evolved mind.

Just my $0.02

Basically God was a brain Fart  :hey: [/b] [/size]

Quote from: "Tank"God was the creation of human frailty and fear, in particular the fear of the perceived but not understood and unconscious ramblings of the mind. At the dawn of human awareness came the moment of knowledge without understanding. Humans have evolved into cause and affect machines, we see cause we infer affect, we see affect and we infer cause. It's the way we evolved as the ability to second guess our prey and/or predictors is a huge evolutionary advantage. But with this ability came the cost of cognitive dissonance when a cause is seen or an affect is observed we are evolved to balance the equation. And every night unconsciousness came, not in a comfortable bed in a secure home, but surrounded by predators out in the open. But there were dreams and nightmare, the unexplained visions, and affect of what? What caused the visions seen at night that were good or bad, heaven or hell. So our ancestors had knowledge, they could see the Sun rise, they had affect but no cause, they did not understand why, a psychologically intolerable situation. They knew their dreams, visions of beauty and fear, an affect with no cause. So they balanced the equation with superstition and called it God. God is the filler in the cracks in our evolved mind.

This is a great post, anyway I just think it's great. I mean, that's pretty much it, right there.

Quote from: "Tank"God was the creation of human frailty and fear, in particular the fear of the perceived but not understood and unconscious ramblings of the mind. At the dawn of human awareness came the moment of knowledge without understanding. Humans have evolved into cause and affect machines, we see cause we infer affect, we see affect and we infer cause. It's the way we evolved as the ability to second guess our prey and/or predictors is a huge evolutionary advantage. But with this ability came the cost of cognitive dissonance when a cause is seen or an affect is observed we are evolved to balance the equation. And every night unconsciousness came, not in a comfortable bed in a secure home, but surrounded by predators out in the open. But there were dreams and nightmare, the unexplained visions, and affect of what? What caused the visions seen at night that were good or bad, heaven or hell. So our ancestors had knowledge, they could see the Sun rise, they had affect but no cause, they did not understand why, a psychologically intolerable situation. They knew their dreams, visions of beauty and fear, an affect with no cause. So they balanced the equation with superstition and called it God. God is the filler in the cracks in our evolved mind.

Just my $0.02

Agreed.

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Quote from: "Cite134"That's the problem with theists. They try to attacth all of these 'ultimate' attributes to god to the point where he MUST exist. However, logic won't allow that. This is where contradictions arise. Plus, how in the hell would any human being KNOW that there is a deity whose existence is supported by infinity? -__-. It's all faith. People believe because they want to believe, regardless of evidence given or lack thereof.

The simple answer is that no mind can create complexity or existence because itself requires them both in order to exist at all.. Creationism is laughable. The Best logical answer you can have is that the answer must solve infinite regress and represent a universal set of all sets.. And this answer must be impossible to not exist. Well, so far there is only one answer that can sufficiently be validated to solve infinite regress, and be a set of all sets! So what is it you say?, Well, it's ENERGY!!!  Energy = all matter, information, and spatial dimension.. It's literally not possible to have a -1 spatial space/capacity, or -1 energy.. Thus the riddle is solved, and the rest is just semantics of how exactly it all works from zero base energy and up..


Cheers!

This is true. What I meant by attaching 'ultimate' attributes, is that theists make numerous justifications to define god when certain questions are posed in attempt to understand god's actual nature of existence, such as: "God is intelligent AND  infinite" or "God is not bounded by time" etc, etc. I was just saying that such assumptions require evidence. On another note, I wholly agree with your post.

Quote from: "Tank"God was the creation of human frailty and fear, in particular the fear of the perceived but not understood and unconscious ramblings of the mind. At the dawn of human awareness came the moment of knowledge without understanding. Humans have evolved into cause and affect machines, we see cause we infer affect, we see affect and we infer cause. It's the way we evolved as the ability to second guess our prey and/or predictors is a huge evolutionary advantage. But with this ability came the cost of cognitive dissonance when a cause is seen or an affect is observed we are evolved to balance the equation. And every night unconsciousness came, not in a comfortable bed in a secure home, but surrounded by predators out in the open. But there were dreams and nightmare, the unexplained visions, and affect of what? What caused the visions seen at night that were good or bad, heaven or hell. So our ancestors had knowledge, they could see the Sun rise, they had affect but no cause, they did not understand why, a psychologically intolerable situation. They knew their dreams, visions of beauty and fear, an affect with no cause. So they balanced the equation with superstition and called it God. God is the filler in the cracks in our evolved mind.

Just my $0.02

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

Quote from: "Tank"God was the creation of human frailty and fear, in particular the fear of the perceived but not understood and unconscious ramblings of the mind. At the dawn of human awareness came the moment of knowledge without understanding. Humans have evolved into cause and affect machines, we see cause we infer affect, we see affect and we infer cause. It's the way we evolved as the ability to second guess our prey and/or predictors is a huge evolutionary advantage. But with this ability came the cost of cognitive dissonance when a cause is seen or an affect is observed we are evolved to balance the equation. And every night unconsciousness came, not in a comfortable bed in a secure home, but surrounded by predators out in the open. But there were dreams and nightmare, the unexplained visions, and affect of what? What caused the visions seen at night that were good or bad, heaven or hell. So our ancestors had knowledge, they could see the Sun rise, they had affect but no cause, they did not understand why, a psychologically intolerable situation. They knew their dreams, visions of beauty and fear, an affect with no cause. So they balanced the equation with superstition and called it God. God is the filler in the cracks in our evolved mind.

Just my $0.02

So Jesus was born in a bag of Mangers?

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Not quite, Jesus IS a bag of Mangers!

Moved to Religion forum

God did not create man in his image, instead man created god in HIS image.

I could give you several examples, logically, why god can not exist, and in doing so would show that there was never an issue of who created god.  There are a lot of good books out there to read, two very interesting ones that keep it pretty simple, are Dan Barker's "Godless" and Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" and I'm sure that there are many others.

But, I do applaud the question, and the majority of the answers were spot on.

According to theist, God was "always."

Quote from: "EaglesFanPhila"According to theist, God was "always."

And that illness was caused by daemons.

Quote from: "EaglesFanPhila"According to theist, God was "always."

What an awful existence that must be. An existence that would make even the best of the best go crazy.

No wonder he fucked up when he made us.

Quote from: "Gawen"

Quote from: "EaglesFanPhila"According to theist, God was "always."

What an awful existence that must be. An existence that would make even the best of the best go crazy.

No wonder he fucked up when he made us.

Given he waited 13.5 billion years we must obviously have been created to dispel the boredom, we are therefore the daytime TV of his creation  

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Quote from: "Gawen"

Quote from: "EaglesFanPhila"According to theist, God was "always."

What an awful existence that must be. An existence that would make even the best of the best go crazy.

No wonder he fucked up when he made us.

Given he waited 13.5 billion years we must obviously have been created to dispel the boredom, we are therefore the daytime TV of his creation  

Same ol' plot lines for 6000/30,000 (depending on ones pov) years too. We are God's Coronation Street.

Think of it like this.

When people find things they do not understand something new they've witnessed there is almost an automatic sense that it must be supernatural or god .

before people knew what lightning was, it was Zues. Before people understood how the waves were createdor why tsunamis formed, it was Poseidon. Today people don't understand what happens after death, therefore we have stories that tell wild tales of eternal lives, good or bad.

The day may never come to completely understanding what happens after life, but I believe (and know in my mind) that after this life, there is no life.

Quote from: "EaglesFanPhila"According to theist, God was "always."

"He" seems to have created always too, in addition to fathering himself, having himself killed, giving himself CPR and now he also holds a grudge of cosmic proportions even though he said he wouldn't... A versatile guy, that...

As to where gods came from..? They are like stinking bubbles rising from the bog og ignorance, really. Born of the Vast Unknown in an attempt to shrink its vastness a little... A task at which they all ultimately fail.

In Soviet Russia, god create theists.

Quote from: "PoopShoot"In Soviet Russia, god create theists.

In Soviet Russia, god got deported to Siberia. It's cold and miserable in Siberia. A fitting place for gods.  

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Quote from: "EaglesFanPhila"According to theist, God was "always."

"He" seems to have created always too, in addition to fathering himself, having himself killed, giving himself CPR and now he also holds a grudge of cosmic proportions even though he said he wouldn't... A versatile guy, that...

As to where gods came from..? They are like stinking bubbles rising from the bog og ignorance, really. Born of the Vast Unknown in an attempt to shrink its vastness a little... A task at which they all ultimately fail.

Personally the thing that bothers me about god being around for eternity is, if god always existed why did he wait for an eternity to create us?

Think about it, What the f*ck did he say?...

"Yo Micheal, I got the best idea, I've been sitting on this one for eternity; wanna make some weaker me's? we can do some funny sh*t like put my son in a 13 year old's uterus, tell my "followers" to kill their son on top of a mountain and at the last second be all 'yoo what are you doinggg', and kill innocent children cause they yelled at their mommy and daddy."

Quote from: "tymygy""Yo Micheal, I got the best idea, I've been sitting on this one for eternity; wanna make some weaker me's? we can do some funny sh*t like put my son in a 13 year old's uterus, tell my "followers" to kill their son on top of a mountain and at the last second be all 'yoo what are you doinggg', and kill innocent children cause they yelled at their mommy and daddy."

Yup. That pretty much sums it up right there  

I think god was the creation of some unbalanced mind.

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I like the thought that god came from cat faeces.